Thank you for your excellent lecture. Reading Fairbairn and his equating libidinal energy with relational structure itself has been a kind of revelation for me recently. I'm only now learning about the object-relations approaches and their discursive clarity, obscured as that's been for me by an overemphasis of everything Lacan and Zizek.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Congratulations! You are on the right track now I MHO

Fairbairn and the Origins of Object Relations. Edited by James S. Grotstein and Donald B. Rinsley 1994 is the book Don quotes early in his talk here

Wonderful lecture, made me want to read up on Fairbairn's theory of personality as well as Guntrip's (with an emphasis on primitive guilt). To me it's all about conditional acceptance and the lurking background of unconditional rejection as it relates to identity, self worth and performance.

@doncarveth

Жыл бұрын

Good. Thanks

Great lecture, many thanks, helpful and hopeful. Hopeful in the sense there is no getting away from the inner world. Makes life easier to bear.

This is pretty informative, thank you!!

Sir I am reading your book. As Iam trained in to 3 former Ego state. To able to absorb this new thought.I had to install into me new Circuit.Reached chapter 2.While reading I had severe sinus allergy . Exteriorization.

i was lucky enough to study fairbairn (and guntrip to lesser extent ) in depth in my phsychoanalytic training in london at the institute of paychoanalysis and social studies ...im surprised how little he is studied .. i haev found his model invaluable ...

@doncarveth

5 ай бұрын

www.yorku.ca/dcarveth/Fairbairn.htm

Brilliant commentary thank you so much for your videos I am really enjoying them and learning so much.

@doncarveth

7 ай бұрын

You are most welcome

Excellent lecture👍❤

I wonder if Neurodivergent children can be included in Fairbairn's object relations theory without modifications.

Great lecture. Is there any chance to have an in depth Lecture on Oedipal Complex? Like you did with M elanie Klein

@doncarveth

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, good idea, thanks.

I’m reading up on Fairbairn, like I always do when you stir the thirst to learn more, and I’ve found some interesting imagery on different conceptions of the infant in the variegated perspectives of psychoanalysis. Fairbairn’s deprived and needy infant is a completely different infant. For Freud’s the image of the infant is sort of demonic with the seething caldron of the raging id. For Klein, whose concepts of internalized objects greatly influenced Fairbairn, only partially modified Freud’s ideas regard­ ing the infant’s psychological functioning by emphasizing the role of the mother. However, Klein’s infant is still a demonic one, driven by the death instinct and its derivatives: envy, aggression, and omnipotence. Fairbairn completely broke with these notions of the child as a demon, Here Fairbairn (following Suttie) diverged from the demonic viewpoint, and thus establishing infantile innocence and entitlement as legitimate necessities for infant survival as a self. What do you all think of this ideas?

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s seriously miss represents Klein’s view. Ir is a common distortion on the part of those who imagine Klein instead of carefully reading her. I’ve explained this in several video lectures.

I'm not versed in this stuff but loved your explanation. I was wondering if anyone does work related to this and boundaries? My idea is that the parents would have to disown themselves to be perfect in the eyes of the child. Could the rejection and anger the child feels at not getting the breast at his whim be the first taste of disappointment when faced with a boundary of a separate individual?

@doncarveth

Ай бұрын

The issue of boundaries is very important in psychoanalysis. See the book by Gabard and Lester.

You mention in this lecture there is a lengthier version of your talk on Fairbairn. Would it be possible to give the full lecture on Fairbairn, with all the visual material? I would greatly appreciate it!

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know about that video but here is a paper I published on Fairburn: www.yorku.ca/dcarveth/Fairbairn.htm

@jiminy_cricket777

3 жыл бұрын

In addition to Prof. Carveth's paper he linked to, I'd suggest looking at David and Jill Scharff's explanations of Fairbairn's ideas. In particular, the book edited by David Scharff and Neil Skolnick, Fairbairn Then and Now, I've found to be helpful in understanding Fairbairn's ideas and his influence on psychoanalysis and psychotherapy. I don't think they go into what's missing in Fairbairn's thought in the way that Prof. Carveth does here, though. I think the Kleinian understanding of the persecutory superego is important, speaking from my own experience of exploring these dynamics in myself. And it seems to me (though I'm not at all sure about this, so please take it with some skepticism) that Fairbairn putting everything in terms of ego and object states kind of opens the door to forgetting about the unconscious in the ways that Prof. Carveth criticizes some self-psychologists and relational psychoanalysts for in other talks and lectures.

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

jiminy_cricket777 Thank you, very helpful. “Jiminy“ I wish I knew who you are as you are quite knowledgable and helpful.

@jiminy_cricket777

3 жыл бұрын

@@doncarveth you're welcome.. as for who I am, I did email you a few months back, with a brief message of appreciation, but I have been meaning to follow that up. Just been distracted by life.. it is about time I wrote you again though, I think.

@ingurzimmermann2024

3 жыл бұрын

jiminy_cricket777 Thank you kindly. I am in possession of said books, but I was kind of hoping for a lecture by Don. I really appreciate his clear way of explaining things, putting them into a broader perspective. @Don Carveth I have your paper printed to be read this week. :) I consider Fairbairn quite an original thinker who seems to not have gotten quite the attention he should have.

Excellent. I do notice that the conspicuous lack of eye contact with the camera/viewer somehow draws attention to itself. Like you are talking to someone else. Nothing to do with your excellent content, with my due respects and high regard for your work, sir.

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

Problem is I am legally blind.

@venrakkhita

3 жыл бұрын

@@doncarveth my respects for your excellence in managing your life in spite of the challenge you have overcome. I look forward to more content and now i have expanded my understanding of your life and success. My gratitude and respects sir.

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

@@venrakkhita Thank you

Great lectures but often erroneous in opinions.