I read an article once, where they culled a number of hundreds of cape buffalo. They said some ran at the shot but some collapsed on the spot, with the same bullet placement. They had some veterinarians doing autopsies on as many of them as possible. They said that those that collapsed in their tracks, all had ruptured veins in their brains. Those that ran, did not. They attributed this to the "hydraulic effect" of the bullet hitting when the circulatory system was at peak pressure, causing the "spike " and resultant burst veins.

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Yes sir. That's the study I read, first reported by Jim Carmichael of Outdoor Life.

@nathenwallis5664

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Much like when football player Damar Hamlin got hit this past season at just the right ( or wrong ) time in the heartbeat and needed CPR, and defibrillator to restart his heart

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That is very interesting and makes sense. Thank you for sharing.

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Yes, the 308Win with a good hunting bullet (bonded, etc.) and good shot placement seems to be good enough on Eland here in South Africa.

Stress less about the criticism of dates and info Ron. You do a fantastic job. Im off for a 3 day hunt tomorrow for some fallow and i know for a fact, myself and my aussie mates appreciate your wisdom on everything outdoors. Let the critics (who probably spend more time on a keyboard than actually hunting) do their thing. Thanks for everything mate!

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Thanks for the support, Steve. Say hello to all your mates for me. And good luck with those fallow bucks.

Ron I listened to the talk about buckshot for deer. Just a word from a person that has taken more deer with buckshot than normal. If a person will think buckshot size and choke size you can actually get some pie pan groups at 100 yards. For instance a 30 inch barrel with a full choke use single "o" buckshot. To see this lay 3 buckshot pellets on a table in a cluster, then very carefully ease the full choke barrel over the 3 buckshot. It should fit snug with no cutting of the lead. "00" should use a modified barrel. "000" a good improved cylinder. Some guns may very but if you size the buckshot to the choke for a snug (no damage) fit you will find that at 100 yards you can take an ethical kill and have plenty of pellets on impact. My old Remington 1100 has taken its share at those ranges and will put 8 or 9 pellets in a pie pan size group and all but penetrating through the opposite side. Most of the buckshot will hang just under the hide on the far side of the animal. Limit your shots to 100 yards, pattern your gun and put meat on the table. It does a fantastic job when done right.

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Wow, Ken. Sounds as if you've done your homework and then some. What you say about buckshot diameter and choke makes perfect sense. And of course a 36-caliber lead ball (about 70 grains mass) at 1,200 fps or so MV will have plenty of penetration potential at 100 yards and probably 400 yards. But what I can't quite believe is that any shotgun with any choke can shoot a pie plate diameter group at 100 yards. I'm going to do some testing this summer if I find time. Thanks for the inspiration, Kenneth!

Started my son with a 22lr, then stepped up to a .38spec and .357 Winchester ‘92 and .223/5.56. Now he is shooting a browning .308.

I am convinced that I have seen the bullet diameter problem with my .303 British. With some manufacturers, I have experienced wildly inaccurate cartridges with a different sound and recoil impulse than normal. It's an old gun, but does pretty good with the right stuff.

In regards to the .264 - .268 question, the .268 is the high mileage round cartridge. Like we have high mileage oil for motors.

The most important thing is to put that bullet where it's supposed to go and any 308, 30/06, 7-08, 270, 280, and the other of equivalent ballistics will get it done Ron has personally advised me on this subject with great success, and I thank you for your expertise. And Hornady.

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Thanks Homes. And here's wishing you the continued success that comes from using a good bullet and shooting straight.

Hi Ron I liked your comments on hunter’s safety courses. I myself am a hunter’s education instructor here in Michigan. I took and passed the course when I was 4 years old as my father was the first DNR certified instructor in the state back in the 1950s I am now 65 years old. I would restate that I took and passed the class at 4. I was always at the classes my dad taught and he ended up making me leave because all the older teenage kids would ask me what the correct answers were. I knew because safety was drilled into my head daily. I was running around the farm shooting starlings with my own BB gun when I was 4 Back when dad had a class it wasn’t just a 1or2 day class his was taught once or twice a week for the whole year. All the students would come and go shooting at least once a week and dad even taught them wilderness survival and we would all go out on overnight or weekend trips to the woods where we practiced bushcraft. Shelter ,fire making ,orienteering ,game tracking and recovery and processingyou name it anything to do with survival. What a great way to teach. And I also teach the same things in my classes but it’s a whole different world today then it was when I grew up as far as what kids like to do

Got here late. Thank you Ron!

Ron thanks for sharing!!!

The buck shot question gave me the idea of paper target with multi ballistic gel block wall on the back side of it.

Knife issue I always carry 2

You are right oryx are tough. One shot 7mm mag shot through the right front leg bone a perfect hole and horizontal break the bullet traveled through and totally shattered the opposing shoulder. It ran 200 yards before collapsing, How is that possible? I have shot four oryx on White Sands Missile Range New Mexico. Only one politely fell over on the spot. 8mm mag 200 gr nosler partition through the vital zone. But I still wonder how that one ran that far with no operating front legs.

Regarding Carcano bullets, the issue bullets had a .266 diameter, but Hornady came out with the .268 to match the barrel groove diameter. This resulted in excessive friction due to the long bearing area of those old-timey long, round-nosed bullets. Hornady issued a bulletin giving loads that were safe for use with the .268s. Obviously either size would be oversize for the Win Mag.

ive hunted with 06, 308, 7mm, 338, the 6.5 pcr and creedmoor brought more meat and less shots fired, and less waste. hope it helps been hunting for a bit. my 308 bolt is my go to. but theres new kids now, wow. my 6.5 is a sniper

I got the very same book just yesterday, good to see you recommend it!

Lee Harvey Oswald is the expert on the Carcano.

32:47 Sure it does Ron, if you have a 16 inch barrel 308 your spin wont be as fast as a 22 inch due to MV. The math is Muzzle velocity X 12 divided by twist rate of the rifle x60 = RPM Just a rough example that isn't real 3000 FPS bullet in a 10 inch twist barrel = 216,000 RPM. 2600 FPS bullet in 10 inch twist barrel = 187,200 RPM. Go and input the MV data into the berger stability calculator if you want a more basic example.

I don’t get excited over podcasts, except this one. I reload and shoot. I don’t hunt, yet but I love listening to Ron. Reminds me of my late grandfather.

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You can call me Grandpa Ron, James. The grandkids all do! Thanks for listening.

Ron, You took that shot on the date pretty good. Keep up the good work you do a great job!!

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Thanks drk.

Ron enjoy your content thanks

Buckshot is absolutely deadly. I’ve seen plenty of whitetail’s drop from 12 gauge buckshot

@warrengreen3217

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It's not that great on deer out passed 30yards in Pennsylvania its illegal to use it, slugs are the way to go but PA is a rifle state so not many people use shotguns

@diggernash1

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​@@warrengreen3217 Driven and dog hunts are where buckshot shines.

@andystampfli9127

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Buckshot on (no offense) smaller southern deer is not the same as we would have on the larger bodied northern deer. I've shot deer with a 3030, under a hundred yards broadside, that didn't pass through. The idea of shooting them with buckshot that you pretty much know isn't going to pass through makes me (and apparently the DNR since it's illegal here) question it's lethal-ness. Side note, the DNR here in Wisconsin says we can use any center fire rifle or pistol 22 cal and bigger... So 22 hornet ok but 00 buck banned

@warrengreen3217

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@@andystampfli9127 in Pennsylvania its 223 and up anything smaller its illegal I'm a 30cal guy

@andystampfli9127

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@@warrengreen3217 oh our caliber rules make no sense!!! We can use a 25 auto pistol now because the removed the 6" firing pin to muzzle restrictions. I actually know a guy who shot at a deer with a Ruger LCP 380 and got mad when a friend shot the deer because it wasted meat.

Hello Ron S. --- Usually you have good answers / thoughts / insights about hunting and shooting but methinks you have been out west a long time using scoped rifles and not used to the States/counties where shotguns are/were the only firearm allowed to hunt Deer. There is a reason it is called "Buckshot".... it was to shoot deer. It will and has killed deer (and bad two-legged critters). It also stops riots really quick. Is it perfect? Nope. It is meant for close-in shooting in areas that have farms or towns nearby. A rifle bullet from a high velocity cartridge/rifle can travel 6 miles, which is NOT good with people and farm animals in the area. {A .22 LR rimfire bullet can travel a mile.} Shotgun ammo/projectiles do not travel as far. {You are correct about the "Cone" effect of a shotgun, but there are several .33 caliber lead balls going towards the deer, not just one. Later, Buckshot it was adopted by most Police/Sheriff's Departments /L.E.O. agencies, Prisons and the Military. Most often commercial ammo Buckshot shotgun shells are loaded with 00. Buck. 00 is .33 caliber. Some ammo companies have loaded number "4" Buckshot in the shotgun shells. No. 4 Buck = .24 caliber; No. 3 Buck = .25 caliber; No. 1 Buck = .30 caliber; No. 0 Buck = 32 caliber; No. 00 Buck = .33 caliber; No. 000 Buck = .36 caliber.

I shot my first deer several decades ago with a 7mm rem mag. Shot was about 220 yds and he was quartering away. I hit him in the liver and left lung and he dropped right there. When my dad looked at him he said I killed him with hydraulics because there was blood running out of one his ears. He said all that energy dumped in to the vascular system spiked the blood pressure and burst blood vessels in the deer's brain. So yes death by hydraulics or whatever you want to call it is real.

YYYYEEEESSS, loading i have come across so many bullets that just are not the same size or even weight. too many times weighing bullets for accuracy loads that the bullets range in weight up to a full grain difference in the box. quality control just is not the same, with everything in this modern area!

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True, JJ, but at the same time premium bullet makers are turning out better bullets than ever before. Extremely consistent, especially the lathe turned copper bullets. Cheap, mass produced, swaged cup-core bullets can suffer from inconsistencies in balance and even shapes. I've photographed some factory ammo that showed bullets perched at angles with polymer tips bent, noses bulging on one side. Overall length is often different. Many reloaders will weight bullets and sort by weight, keeping it within, say, a half grain. Other spin balance each bullet! AT the same time, many high quality factory bullets and loaded ammunition shoot remarkably well. I expect MOA performance these days, and often get 1/2 MOA. From factory ammo?! That's amazing.

I use an outdoor edge w/replaceable blades and some fisckar pruning shears to field dress. Shears work great wood also. I carry a survival pistol with tiny blades it spits out. Kind of a OTF setup.

Savage has been a good friend to left-handed shooters. My favorite rifles, though, are my two left-hand Winchester Model 70s. The build quality is outstanding and both are dead-on accurate. I wish Winchester/Browning still offered them. I also have a couple of left-handed Remington 700s.

Barrel length does affect bullet stability to some extent. Generally the higher the velocity the more stable a bullet will be, due to the increased RPMs of the bullet. Some of the added stability is offset by the increased air resistance on the front of the bullet so the overall effect is not terribly significant.

The square cube law determines how dense an animal is that’s why Godzilla can’t exist in 50bmg is what you used to take out squirrels

24:34 I know I have had issues with Winchester .30-30 ammo. I put the micrometer to them and the bullets measured from .306-.309 and most were .306 or .307. The groups opened up compared to any other brand.

Bubba Roundtree outdoors is the man to talk to about buckshot. By the way # 4 buck is about 24 cal. 00 is around 31 Cal.

OO2 buck shot in 12 gauge is 30 cal pellets there’s not much I disagree with you on Ron but buckshots inside 75 yards is absolutely deadly same for hogs or anything roughly the same size

@joshuabennett7334

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75 is pushing it even with a good load gun and choke combo. I am reliably patterned to 50 but keep it at 40. At 60 I am averaging a 4 foot pattern after a tremendous amount of shells and choke trials and that in my book is not effective enough to kill constantly

The Loveless pattern knife would fit the bill just great.

Hello Ron, from Mississippi. I was wondering if you knew anything about tradition outfitters rifles? I recently picked one up that is a break action 35 Whelen for whitetail primitive season (it’s legal in Mississippi as long as it’s single shot and a 35 caliber cartridge) . I can’t find many reviews on Tradition Outfitters rifles. I guess there’re not that popular. By the way thoughts on 35 whelen for whitetail?

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35 Whelen is an excellent whitetail option. Arguably more than needed, but a proven killer. Fans absolutely love it. I've never used one on game, but I did try it's small brother, the 358 Win. That's the 308 necked up while the Whelen is the 30-06 necked up. As for Traditions, this family-owned company has been around since about 1980. I think they started by offering muzzle loader building kits. They produce solid and proven muzzleloader and black powder firearms at a good price.

I used to see that phenomenon with the ( red jelly) between the muscle groups shooting my 7mm rem mag with my hand loaded 139 grain bullets at over 3300 fps, also the lungs and heart would be like soup! Going up to a 160 grain of sturdier construction greatly reduced this problem!

@michaelmcatee221

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Did you see consistent 1 shot kills with your 139gr load? How does the time to kill compare to your new load? I’m very interested in extremely fast bullets.

Great listening again Ron. Just a point - you can’t take off 30” when you start with a 24” barrel. I’m sure you meant 30 fps.😁😁👍

@billhatcher2984

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He meant 30 fps for every in of barrel

One tiny issue Ron. You said that barrel length had no effect on stabilization, but in some niche circumstances that’s not true. For example if you take a standard Ak-74 in 5.45x39mm with a roughly 1:8 twist rate, and shorten the barrel from 16” to 8” the standard loads for it will not stabilize. That’s why when they manufacture short barreled rifles like the AK-74u they increase the twist rate to roughly 1:6 Just a small and maybe pedantic detail because for the most part you are right. In most circumstances shortening a barrel won’t effect stabilization at all. Great work and great info! Look up to you a lot!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

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No, that is good information, Michael. I hadn't considered radical length reductions where significantly lower velocities would compromise spin. Thanks for the correction!

@michaelmcatee221

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors Love your work Ron!

Kershaw antelope eater and a boker vox rold for me. I also keep a mora bushcraft in my pack.

I use knives of Alaska field processing kit.

Velocity affects spin and stability, the faster you drive a bullet with a given twist rate the faster the bullet spins, this will stabilize larger bullets for a longer range.

re bullet diameters i've started running mine thru a Lee sizer die. I got a noticeable decrease in the SD and ES on muzzle velocity on the first ones I did like this. after that I added it to the reloading process as a standard.

When it comes to buckshot you need to look to the south east where hound hunting with dogs is normal and buckshot is the most common deer round. We put a lot of time into figuring out what works and when you get it right it drops deer in there tracks to 50 yards. Double 00 buck shell length 2 3/4 is the most common for best pattern size and energy. I use a full choke for 00 buckshot and anything in 50 yards is going to drop. I have a gun and choke combo that works well with 000 3 inch shells. I have seen a gentleman who had his lode gun and choke combo worked out to reliability kill deer at 75 to 80 yards but he wouldn’t ethically try it.

The only consideration on his carbine length 30-06 will be the reduced velocity and increased flash. You addressed the twist rate exactly. Those rifles were sold as "woods guns" because that shorter barrel was easier to swing in the thick. Even if the reduction was 75 fps per inch, a 180 grain round nose would still be starting out at about 2300 fps giving a 215 yard point blank range on a 6 inch target with nearly 1200 pounds of kinetic energy at that distance. Better ballistic coefficient bullets with higher muzzle velocities would extend that.

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Good assessment, William. That's the way to do it.

Game processing vs. survival knife. If you don't carry a hand ax or saw a relatively large fixed blade knife that can be used for splitting (not so much chopping). They used to make hand ax/knife combination sets both carried in the same sheath set (I have a set from western cultry from 50 years ago). The requirements for survival and hunting aren't the same. I use a knife with a shorter blade for field dressing these days, just a locking folding knife. If I am going to hunt something I need to process in the field like elk, moose, or back in the day, the occasional cow then obviously a larger fixed blade is needed to break the carcass down to cuts to pack out.

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That sounds about right, Duane, but I'll offer this exception: By boning the muscles, I do not need to break down, or cut any bones. For this technique I find the long, thin, flexible fillet knife the best option. I gave up splitting brisket and pelvis decades ago. In our butcher shop Dad had a big power saw hanging from the ceiling. He used that to power through beef briskets, down the spine, etc. I was always amazes at how precisely he ran that thing down the length of the carcass. When done, the two matching halves would swing on their hooks. And then we'd push them along the rails and into the aging cooler. Wish I could have done this with the bull moose I shot!

@duanesamuelson2256

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@Ron Spomer Outdoors - Podcast I totally agree with you, i wasn't saying what kind of knife just something other than my 3 or 3 1/2" blade locking folding knife Even if you choose not to bone everything, a boning knife works well to cut the tendons and support tissue to allow you to break the joints. If I wanted to take the ribs intact, I think I'd use a cable saw (though I'd really wish I had packed a compact 12v reciprocating saw by the time I finished, lol). Power saw is definitely the way to go in a shop. I would have loved to see your dad's setup. There was a guy running a mobile shop on the back of a truck (licensed and all that) who would come to you to process cattle and hogs when I was in UT. Had winches, booms, etc, to handle the carcass, and it was amazing how fast proper equipment and setup allowed him to work. It was on a 4x4 truck. Maybe you should have called him to process your moose 🤔.

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@@duanesamuelson2256 Maybe you can work on inventing a backpackers freeze dried reciprocating saw. Pack in light, dunk in creek, full size saw. Dehydrate before packing out. Good bantering with you, Duane. I think I've seen that UT mobile processor. Or one like him. No chance they could have reached any of my moose, however. Required horses and a bush plane.

@duanesamuelson2256

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@Ron Spomer Outdoors - Podcast lol..probably easier for those who like the idea work out just a bit more to carry the extra 3 lbs. Besides, a dehydrated device that uses electricity probably would have some issues when you dunked it in that said stream.

The problem with Buckshot is to have a shotgun and a load that patterns well. For Buckshot to shoot thight paterns out to 50 Yds, they have to be wad encased, Buffered and of course no 00 Buck as their size and a wad do not combine propper stacking. But 0 Buck is perfect. and like birdshot, the harder the alloy the better they pattern. Any load/barrel/ choke that keeps them thight out to 50 yds fantastik.You need 2-3 pellet hits in the boiler to bring them down. Long time Buck shot hunter. 000/35 cal( I size and lube 000 and load 2 in my 38 spcl), 00/.33 and 0/.32 If Further, a rifled barrel and slugs

00 buck is 33cal , 9 to 12 pellets I believe in 2-3/4inch3inch 12 gauge. Probably good to 20 or 30 yards max? Stick to slugs for hunting big game?

Here’s a question for you Ron.. What is the purpose of micro-groove rifling? I own a 70s Marlin 336 in 30-30 and a CZ 455 Ultra-match in 22LR. Both rifles have their own versions of micro groove rifling and they are both shooters! But I see that it is not common in the firearms world. So why sometimes, and not others? Thanks Ron, love the podcast!

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Trevo, Marlin reportedly went to microgroove rifling in the 1950s because it was faster, thus less expensive to make. The grooves are shallower than usual, so there are more of them to gain sufficient grip and engrave the bullet. But there's a lot more to this including width of the grooves and bore size. For many calibers Marlin drilled slightly oversized bores. Grooves were also "tangential," meaning the edges were slightly beveled rather than cut at a right angle. This was to minimize bullet distortion. Makes sense. More shallow grooves rather than fewer deep grooves. On 22 rimfires grooves were .015" wide and just .001" deep. On 30-cal. they were .030" wide and .002" deep. The slightly oversized bores in the 444 Marlin and 45-70, I've heard, caused some accuracy issues with cast bullets. The solution was apparently to cast slightly oversized bullets or use a gas check. There are a surprising variety of rifling styles including gain twist and parabolic. Grooves can be beveled on one side or both. There are 2-groove, 4, 5, 6, 7, 12... Even Marlin changed its micro groove numbers in various calibers over the years. The crazy thing is, no one has landed on one particular type and style of rifling that is proven "best."

@duanesamuelson2256

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@Ron Spomer Outdoors - Podcast we should be happy rifling exists as it does today. In the early days of "rifled" cannons, they had things like lugs on the shells to engage groves cut in the cannon and hexagon barrels with the twist in the barrel itself. Imagine trying to load a rifle that the bullet has to be aligned with the bore each time.

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@@duanesamuelson2256 I'm not quite sure what you're saying, Duane, because all my rifles align my bullets with the center of bore every time I push one into battery. What am I missing. Oh, you mean lining the fins up with the rifling grooves? Yeah, that would be a hassle.

@duanesamuelson2256

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@Ron Spomer Outdoors - Podcast yep..or the flats on the projectile for a hexagon bore.. I was talking about some of the things tried for rifled cannons 200, 300 years ago. Whiteworth(?) Had those hexagon bores the confederates used during the Civil War.

@LOTW_FurFishFeathers

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I appreciate the thorough response Ron!

I have heard somewhere .002 " press max on slugs , wondering about the new copper slugs.

U may want to thank about your twist rate idea Heavy for cal bullets in short barrels requir more twist because of lower velocity, especially subsonic bullets

@diggernash1

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Which bullet profile? Heavy, short, round-nosed bullets don't need as much twist.

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Fair point, Jeffrey. Velocity does play a role in stability. It's just less than that played by MV. Because rifles were built to perform within an anticipated and expected velocity window, twist rate for stabilizing the heaviest, longest bullets at half speed weren't a consideration. The flexibility of twist rate spin stability is exemplified by the 30-calibers, i.e. 30-06. 1:10 twist and it'll handle bullets from 100-gr. plinkers to 220 grain round nose, sometimes 220 gr. spire points. But make that 220-gr. with a long, 11-degree boat tail plus a long, secant ogive nose profile and probably not. Drive it just 1,100 fps and definitely not.

Considering buckshot is currently illegal for deer in Minnesota, it sounds like that writer is looking for data to present an argument for changing that law. We have seen something similar with turkeys - lots of states including Minnesota used to have a minimum shot size requirement for turkey hunting, but with the popularity of tungsten loads there was successful lobbying to remove that restriction. Just having heavier pellets still doesn’t address the controlled expansion and accompanying tissue disruption issues as you said though, so I don’t see that argument being taken as well for deer as it was for turkeys.

I'm Shure you have herd this a hundred times but who makes your hat and is it available?

Long time subscriber first time commenter, I have a correction. From a wyoming boy who bucks the wind often. But i know you where Generalizing when you stated a heavier bullet give you better b.c to buck the wind. But its actually the length of the bullet not the material. As you know like in hammer bullets copper is lighter but makes for a longer Bullet to make the wight of a Projectile.

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Hhds, more power to you for enduring those WY winds! I've been blown into the downwind lane of I-80 near Elk Mountain many times, so I do appreciate a long, heavy, high B.C. bullet when hunting WY pronghorn. However, length is not the only feature contributing to a high B.C. B.C. is determines by bullet diameter, form factor (length, boat tail, secant ogive) AND mass. Make a 1.5" long bullet out of tungsten, another of identical shape and length out of tin, and which do you think will deflect more in the wind? Even if you push the tin one to a much higher MV, which the same powder supply will do, it will deflect more in the wind. Shoot straight, my friend!

I’m wondering if Remington intentionally loaded the ammunition with the larger .268 bullets to cause inaccuracy and further promote the 7mm REM Mag. I own and have harvested game with both and will say that I feel that there is very little that the 7mm will do that the 264 will not and actually prefer the 264 of the two

I absolutely see the need for a survival knife. You never know what you’re gonna run into , or Rifle can fail, you could possibly get hurt, to me a knife is just as important as a firearm that I would take when hunting , That’s my opinion 😊

If memory serves, 000 is 36 caliber, 00 is 33 caliber, 0 is 30 caliber, #1 is 27 caliber.

Can i recommend a Victorinox 6" flexible boning knife. I learned this from a butcher. It works great

Hello Ron, I'm in the market for a 30-06, preferably with a 24 inch barrel(maybe. A touch more), but it seems all non magnum rifles offered these days top out at 22 inches. Any thoughts?

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Three options, Sinister: Keep looking. I know some semi-custom brands will sell you one with 24". Rebarrel an old rifle/action. Relax and run with the 22". Honestly, the 50 fps to perhaps 100 fps MV loss doesn't amount to a hill of kidney beans at all sensible hunting distances. Folks regularly celebrate this level of MV in their 308 Winchesters. Heck, you can make up for the MV loss by shooting, for an example, a 150-gr. Barnes TTSX or 151-gr. Hammer Hunter instead of a 165- or 180-gr. lead core bullet and realize roughly the same penetration and terminal performance with higher MV and lower recoil. Many other copper bullets out there with similar performance. Cutting Edge, Hornady CX... Dang, now you've got me dreaming of working up some new loads for my 30-06! Can't wait for this blanket of snow to melt!

@blackpowder4016

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Winchester Model 70 Classic Sporter comes standard with a 24" barrel. I have two of them.

Euro 6.5mm barrels tend to be .265 because of 6.5x55.

Ron what is the point blank range for the 7mm PRC? The down range ballistics beat both the 6.5 as well as the .30 PRC's pretty substantially. I'll have to get one of them new fangled ballistics programs one of these days.

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About the same as the 7mm Rem. Mag., Duane, and it varies depending on the bullet weight and MV. The lightest bullets have the longest MPBR, but the heaviest shoot flatter at extreme range (like 1,200 yards or farther) and deflect the least in the wind.

@duanesamuelson2256

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast I was curious if the point blank range would make it to 300 yards

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

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@@duanesamuelson2256 Oh, with the right bullet, easily. Closer to 400 if you play it right.

@duanesamuelson2256

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@Ron Spomer Outdoors - Podcast I like shooting in general and generally like 7mm's as my do all bullet size. I am thinking about the 7 PRC because of the trend towards solid long high BC bullets. Being able to take a lightweight weather resistant modern rifle out in not nice weather and shoot without worrying about range (and wind deflection) out to reasonable shooting distance is attractive. I have 7 mauser, 7-08, 7 rem mag...so just one more lol. I don't see any advantage of the .300 PRC over my .300 win mag other than I can get a lighter rifle. While I'm not a proponent of the "bigger wound channel " theory, I also don't see personal advantages of going smaller for deer and larger critters.

The SAAMI spec for the 264 Win Mag bullet diameter is .2650 "- .2620". A .268" bullet is out of spec. Most SAAMI approved cartridges, even the 17 calibers have a 0.003" bullet tolerance, even though a bullet on the low side may produce poor accuracy.

I would carry a folding saw instead of a bigger knife.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

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Excellent idea, Sir. I use the little saw on my Victorinox Swiss Army Huntsman knife quite often. A larger blade folder or even one of those cable pull saws would be light, compact and effective.

@sirjhonson8218

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast I have had those cable saws break on me.

"normal" buckshot sizes ranges from 0.240"(#4 buckshot) to 0.360"(000 buckshot). If you're shooting factory loads, there is a very good chance that the buckshot is undersized. For example, they may say its "00 buckshot" which should be 0.330" balls, however some companies will load 0.320" or 0.310" and still call it "00 buckshot". True 0.330" 00 buckshot weighs about 55gr per pellet. True 0.360" 000 buckshot weighs about 70gr per pellet. True 0.240" #4 buckshot weighs about 21gr per pellet. The formula for BC estimate of any round-ball is: BC=(bullet or pellet weight in gr)/(10,640 X diameter in inches X diameter in inches). So true 0.330" 55gr 00 Buckshot would have an estimated BC of roughly 0.0475, assuming a perfect sphere. If you hunt with a shotgun you absolutely 100% have to pattern several shots at whatever you want your max range to be, and actually analyze it just like you would a group of rifle shots. For my hand loads I calculate the ballistics using 75% of the BC estimate, so for 0.330" 00 buckshot I use a BC of 0.0356. I work up the tightest load I can with the biggest pellets I can. Then I set my range limit at either an 18" pattern or when the load has a collective Ft-lbs of 1,000 Ft-lbs, whichever is shorter. So if I have a 10 pellet 0.330" 00 buckshot load, each pellet will have 100 Ft-lbs or more at my max range and the pattern will be 18" or less(deer vital zone is roughly about 12" so most of my pellets are in the vitals). The max range I have so far is 75 yards. From what I've seen out of factory ammo, you'd be lucky to get 30 yards with most ammo and gun combos, if you go by my personal criteria. I also test penetration at max range(don't just trust your ballistic app numbers), all pellets must penetrate 1/2" plywood, which my 75 yard load does. I also test POI at 5 yrd intervals from 5 yrds to max. Not everyone follows the same self imposed rules that I do, and nothing says they have to, but you need to test and come up with your own self imposed rules before hitting the woods, just like with rifles. Scatter Gats can be extremely effective if you put the work into doing it right, most people just aren't willing to go through the trouble, I enjoy the challenge. Chasing a 12" buckshot pattern at 100 yrds is kinda like chasing 1/4" rifle groups. TSS buckshot(and larger) exists, and it would probably tighten patterns and extend range, but I don't know anyone who has tried it or is willing to pay TSS prices to experiment with it. Keep up the good work Ron.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

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Joe, you have clearly done some deep and detailed research. Thanks for sharing! Wish I'd been there with you to video the work done.

@joearledge

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thank you Sir! If you're interested in exploring shotguns, "bubba rountree outdoors", "the shotgun scientists", and "roger adkins" are all good channels to start with. It can be a fun challenge or make for a good video. I can and do hunt deer with rifles in most places in my state, but I know that some people in other states or countries are limited to shotguns, so I'm sure they would find your videos on them particularly interesting. Keep up the good work Sir!

Buckshot is deadly on deer. Most states, however, have outlawed its use. Why? Primarily because too many hunters were trying to make it work at too far a range, with resulting wounded and lost deer. Personally, I think buckshot should be kept within "bow range". ..... 15, 20, 25 yards. It's lethal within those ranges. Beyond that, you are asking for wounded deer. Oh, and before I forget, I grew up with 50 to 75 fps per inch of barrel shortening. While I freely acknowledge that powders are much better now, I'm thinking that 30 fps reduced velocity per inch isn't enough. Time to actually check things again 🤔

Aw man, I’m late!

Pretty sure buckshot is .32 caliber. Something like 9 .38 specials being shot at you at one time. Pretty deadly on deer. Horrible range on it and you get random meat damage.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

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Actually buckshot sizes ranges from .24 (#4 buckshot) to .36 (000 buckshot, which sounds much cooler when pronounced "triple ought buck.)

@hrdrockfarm8948

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast I was referring to triple ought and it's refreshing to see it spelled correctly. Growing up I always heard it pronounced "ouck". They say the tactical range for triple ought is 40 yds through a full choke. I don'tuse it for deer but I hunt in the middle of two dog clubs and they are required to use shotguns..

6.5 mm Grendel's Wolf ammo is not the true 6.5mm they work but are not full bore projectiles

That's an issue.

Hunter Saftey courses are still a requirement in California. I helped my son who has dyslexia through the online course, I helped him with the reading but the answers were all his. It is a good course and covers a lot of legal and safety points. It was a little light on "how" to hunt but was good on other topics.

@Wildwestwrangler

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Hunter safety courses are required for anyone born in or after this date in 1972 for the whole country.

Gas guns are the biggest difference from hunting the states and hunting Europe

You’re gonna carry all that gear and then worry about a knife? At least get a branch saw for emergencies. I carry both. I use a small knife for gutting and the saw because I do tree stands. But I use a fire pouch just in case. Be prepared for everything you can.

Knife fans are the worse ;-) Get a folding saw.

The comment about barrel length, twist rate and bullet stabilization is not quite right. A bullet requires a certain spin rate (rpm) to be stable. The spin rate is determined by the barrel twist rate AND the speed of the bullet as it leaves the barrel. A bullet leaving at 3000 fps from a given barrel will be spinning TWICE as fast as one leaving at at 1500 fps. You pointed out that shorter barrels produce lower velocities. A sufficiently short barrel of a given twist rate will no longer stabilize a particular bullet because the muzzle velocity is too low to get the required spin rate. It is not usually a big problem when only shortening a barrel a couple of inches. This can change, however when barrels are cut down significantly to SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) or pistol length. 7.5" seems to be a popular barrel length for 223/5.56 Rem pistols, and MV for M855 is around 2200 fps versus about 3100fps from a 20" barrel. That big a velocity reduction usually requires an increase in twist rate for longer bullets. FWIW, the relationship between muzzle velocity and spin rate can cause problems when people try to test the long-range effectiveness of bullets by downloading to a lower velocity but not use a faster twist barrel. Bullet spin rate does not decrease as rapidly as foreword speed, so even at long distances, a bullet is spinning almost as rapidly as at the muzzle. Simply downloading a cartridge can compensate for the lower impact velocity but not for the spin rate out of a given rifle. This means that the downloaded bullet might not be completely stabilized and hit the target at a slight angle, something that may or may not effect its expansion. Also the normally high rate of spin can be an important factor on how a bullet initially opens up and expands. Some bullet testers claim that spin rate has an unusually large influence on how some monolithic bullets open up in game.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

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Good information and good points, J. Thanks for sharing. As a rifleman/hunter I've never needed to be concerned with extra short barrels and resulting bullet stability. At worst I'd load 100- to 120-gr. .308 bulelts down to 1,500 fps for plinking through 24 and 22" barrels. This new fad of launching heavy, long slugs at 1100 fps or less requires different thinking.

@jfess1911

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Yes, in the hunting world, it is the increasing use of suppressors that is driving shorter barrels. Hunters are trying to keep the overall rifle + suppressor package close to the same length of traditional hunting rifles.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

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@@jfess1911 Yes indeed. I'm even going to try that myself this year. I still hate the look of the things, but sure like what they do.

@jfess1911

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast FWIW, the biggest truly useful advantage of the 277 Fury's high chamber pressure is that it allows more work to be done in the first foot or so of barrel length. It supposedly gives traditional 270 Win performance with just a 16" barrel. That us very useful for hunters using suppressors. The Fury becomes just another short mag if you use traditional length (22"+) barrels.

Some of these people that write in need to show some respect to Ron or better yet get your own show which im sure no one would watch