**GHB2020 Update: Sharks not bad! They'll be worse for capturing and more vulnerable to battleshock, less consistent charges and not battleline, but when they don't get the charge they still do full damage unlike eels. Enjoy!

@ollayze8863

3 жыл бұрын

Had one match with my Idoneth I decimated ogrons by high tide! You’ve inspired me to return to the accursed aelves!

@mypointofview777

3 жыл бұрын

The nets now too

I kinda love this lore: Teclis wakes up, the first thing he does is make copies of himself, fucks up and accidentally it's monsters, then pretends it never happened. That is the most high-elf thing ever happened.

@marioricomeza2839

3 жыл бұрын

Papa was a rolling stone

@insaneastronaut

Жыл бұрын

"Teclis wakes up and the first thing he does is make copies of himself" What if the darkness Teclis saw was his own, reflected in his children? And what if his horror and disgust was recognition?

I never knew the Idoneth lore was this grim, lol. Their official colour scheme makes them look fairly bright and happy-go-lucky with a few creepy models as the Namarti but the royal folks all looking like Aquaman rejects. Didn't know they're all this moody and brutal and Volturnos is basically Ra's Al Ghul, haha.

@sherlockjones8389

3 жыл бұрын

Warhammer doesn't do happy-go-lucky

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231

3 жыл бұрын

I tend to play them as mostly just good people who do what they have 'to and have a good cry after, not so moody

So underwater Dark Eldar? I can dig it!!

I went all in on this army as my first one and lost interest after seeing how it's so eel heavy. I love the sculptures but I'm one of those that wants to use all of the models lol

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I own a deepkin army that uses only 6 eels since I wanted a Neapolitan look on the table, and I tend to win my casual games - I just wouldn't bring it to a tournament with my eyes set on a trophy is all.

@jaymz18

3 жыл бұрын

I think you now can! Check the new GHB, apparently turtles are good now? (See heywoah’s new vid about it)

@OrigamiShinigami

2 жыл бұрын

Good news;the new dex makes everything a lot better!

@ximbabwe0228

Жыл бұрын

Yall talking about eels?

Just found your channel. It is my favorite AoS channel.

@realwizardbroadcast

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair it's like the only aos channel who talks rules

I'm getting into AoS for the first time, heading into the store tomorrow to pick up either the start collecting for these guys or slaves to darkness, I really appreciate the videos, they've been really helpful so far!

I feel like Deepkin are an army I would collect in a second if they were significantly retooled in their next book. I guess not everyone actually wants them to be more Neapolitan though.

I was thinking of either getting these or Sylvaneth and this vid made me pick my faction thanks since sylvaneth is great against what my opponent plays and I really like them but Idoneth are just so fun I can’t deny them I mean come on massive electric eels weaponised sharks and huge turtle leviathans

@mattstanislen3165

3 жыл бұрын

They are great allies too btw

@Ruffy112

9 ай бұрын

Praise the bik turtle

Excellently informative, thank you! I love the Deepkin's art design so much.

Love this series.. Still really wanting to see your take on Slaanesh though, especially now after the GHB (maybe wait for FAQ also) 😁

Thanks for this man. I've been considering an IDK army for a while now and I've nearly been pushed over the edge with this video. I've not yet played any AOS but am coming from 40k.

Just found your channel this week. Love the content and man the Morathi book really did wonders for IDK.

Their creator failed to give them decent battleline too...

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

oof

@chibizion

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah This was the army that got me into AoS, and then stomped all over my excitement with how bad the whole things runs if you don't want to spam Eels. Heck, until recently the sharks weren't even treated as "okay", much less playable.

@LilyZayli

3 жыл бұрын

@@chibizion It begs the question, why do the thralls have 32mm bases? Why are 32mm bases becoming so much more prevalent in the new battleline? Atleast with Stormcast it makes sense with how chunky the models are and they have more than one wound, but units like Bladegheist revenants and Namarti thralls are these semi-elite battleline (more elite than clan rats anyway) but have these bigger bases... 1 wound models just seem out of place on 32mm in the first place.

@chibizion

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilyZayli knowing GW they have 32mm bases because the look best on those bases. Which is fine, but they aren't balanced around that base size which negates taking them in hordes to make up for their piddling defense.

@ctb3335

3 жыл бұрын

@@chibizion which begs the question as to why they don't have some kind of "reroll a hit roll against them in melee" thing or something. Seriously, those Lanmari look like parrying machines of the highest calibre. It's either that or 2" range, either way it's depressing that they even need such a buff.

You know it's a good day when HeyWoah drops a new video

Really enjoying this series. I don't even play AoS, but I've been interested in the game for a while. These videos are great for a solid breakdown of the critical info. I mostly pay attention to the flavor, though, haha.

Love the format and humor of these vids

All I want for Idoneth are more ishanaar unit that have more sinergy with the namarti or priests that actually have unique prayer. Also more deep see monsters that are not strictly fish. I feel like while the battle tome illustrate a wild variety of units (based on the realm's seas they are from) we got almost only akhelians with basic fishy mounts.

Loving these. Can't wait for the next!

Thank you for making this video. I enjoyed your explanation and insights.

So question: how do you feel about the Perfect Thundertusk (term I coined for a Rimefrost Hide Thundertusk with the Plate of Perfect Defense)?

Nice one my guy. Cant wait for your Seraphon list

Thanks for the explanation! Idoneth Deepkin are my first AoS army I picked up earlier this year and this helped clear some things up(like the fact that all eels is just a meme). I noticed you mentioned running Allopexes as a substitute for Morsarr? How would you go around doing that? I currently have 2 Allopexes and they have mostly disappointed when ran as both a squad(sometimes one dies to morale) or as individual units. Would you need to use Fuethann for the rerolls to wound since most of their damage comes from the mount? And is there -any- scenario where the Retarius net launcher is good? The Regular harpoon launcher outclassed it in my experience. Pardon for the wall of text, but I value your insight.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

All eels is not just a meme it is the most powerful way to play the army. What IS a meme is the idea that "not doing that means you can't win." Plenty of viable lists have a little more variety than that. Sharks work well as supplements on top of your foundation of eels. I ran units of three to use with soulscryer before. I'm usually domhain to reroll ones on the charge, since I'm always counting on getting the charge with such a high movement. The shark shooting attacks are both bad, but their goal is to deal at least one damage to something to turn on blood in the water ability, as such I like three tries more than one and take nets.

@patrickdusk3030

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the reply. I will have to try out 3x sharks with Dhom-Hainn. I understand that the payoff on the nets is bigger for the bigger damage and the bigger number of sharks in a squad means you get at least one off as opposed to the 9 "plinks" from the other weapon. Mostly played Fuethann or Ionrach(tides of death on allies seems fun).

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I got the names mixed up, the 24-in range three shot ones are better, thought you meant the other ones. Yeah ionrach for allies is fun, I tried giving gotrek run and charge with it, which was funny but not like great

Please do this kind of video for more armies please!

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

I plan on it, just waiting on computer parts to arrive since my old one violently died.

Can we get one for the Fyreslayers? :(

Very good video! I would also love list building starting from the Start Collecting boxes. Example: For 2000 points buy 2x start collecting plus X,Y for an effective army for a good price.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

A great deal of start collecting boxes contained virtually nothing usable, so this wouldn't work perhaps even for most armies. There are a few shining examples like the beastclaw raiders start collecting where you literally buy three and you have a great army, but those are rare.

@TBWOC

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah I think that is a valuable information for people who are interested in AoS or just starting the game. When you focus on a faction please also include some kind of purchase guide. In this case IDK Start Collecting yay or nay? Overall this video was very helpful for me because I was interested in IDK but I will wait until the non-eel units become better.

I have yet to play these guys as my KO, and I'm struggling to see what to do when the time finally comes. Do you have any advice?

@brianleblanc9459

3 жыл бұрын

Mr_Birdie run

@brianleblanc9459

3 жыл бұрын

Mr_Birdie 😄

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Depending on what type of KO you are, it's actually a wild ride of splitting up deployments so you each have multiple drop centers and can't get 1-shot, a game of chicken, and anything either of you touch dies. I have only played against old KO, but we were both terrified of each other, and forgotten nightmares forced his ranged to target something, but that thing was always omega dead, plus buzz saws get to ignore that. it was like turn 4 two empty wounded ships vs shitty idk foot heroes and 4 eels running to objectives.

@PigeonCrash

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah I'm the sort of KO that usually has 15 thunderers in an Ironclad, so my instinct would be to wrap it air-tight in other units -as to not lose my egg basket straight away. I'm sure my lists will change when I grow my collection further though.

In your typical 2000 point game, how many ishlaen, and Morrsarr guard would you suggest I take.

I only got into warhammer anything maybe last year, and I am a complete noob when it comes to the lore. Is there any connection between the deepkin and the vampire pirate faction in total warhammer 2, and if not where would those pirates fit in with the tabletop factions?

@HeyWoah

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, no. Despite Total War being good, WHFB really was not popular and so they did a hard reset with AoS as a last chance instead of binning the whole IP from years of being in the red. Some of the units you're talking about are currently in Cities of Sigmar as Scourge Privateers, and they have some recent lore in Broken Realms: Morathi. Their rules are a bit under-tuned and it doesn't have much of a model line of yet.

@wyvern876

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah Hot damn you're quick. Thanks for the answer, like I said I'm totally new but I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far, and your videos have been a big part of that.

Love the videos man! Thank you!

So, they have the Ability and the looks, at least partially, from the Silence from Doctor Who ?

Yessss. Been waiting for this one.

As someone that wanted to start aos before covid happened my choice for a first army was between this one and ogor Strong eels cavalry (seriously how cool eels are) and a Shark ranged cavalry are all I wanted, considering I didnt really like the pale elfs infantry But the gameplay seems a bit to technical for me, I dont know target priority and I would like an army where errors are less fatal

@LapahnYT

3 жыл бұрын

Ogors will make the errors on their own depending on the dices :D

awesome as always keep up the great work!

Hey HeyWoah would my opponents forgive me for playing 27 eels (9/6/6/3/3) if I replace the models with Bretonnian knights of the realm/grail knights and Volturnos with King On Hippogryph? I really love the old models but their rules are borderline unplayable in AOS

Thanks for content dad!

Nice! Waiting for nighthaunt review 😌

Sorry but, where is it said that you can have two shipwrecks? In the battletome it says you can play one shipwreck as a single piece or divide it in two pieces but nothing about deploying two full models.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

pg 94, player may set up "two Etheric Vortex terrain features". Then pg95, two halves that are touching counts as 1 terrain feature. Therefore, 2 boats (or 2 separate halves if you don't want to buy an extra boat). There was an FAQ designer's commentary question about this that confirmed you can't set up 4 individual halves, but 2 full boats is still fine.

@tonys2189

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Hard to find in my language version.

These are really cool!

Can someone clarify 2 things for me 1. I know there was an errata to the shipwrecks were you can now only take one instead of two is that true in 2021 yea or no. 2. I guess this is two questions in one the named king in deepkin ability can it be used on himself and can it be used multiple times on himself as long as it is high tide.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

1. No such errata was or is in place. You may choose 2 halves or 2 wholes, just not 4 separate halves. 2. Yes and Yes.

Awesome video as always. Can we expect a review of this year's GHB from you as well? : )

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Of course

can't wait for the update

First, and quite honestly my favorite models in the game. Period. I just wish a Mor'phann strat was viable on the tabletop

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

It was the first thing I proxied up tbh. It's like one or two warscroll tweaks away from being good - 'render 18" effect or 2" reach thralls would do it. Fun in casuals tho. Regenerating 10 thralls a turn is hilarious, except for when they all die.

@BR4IN1N4J4R

3 жыл бұрын

Fair. And in Mor'phann, especially with his price drop and aforementioned tweaks plus the GHB20 price drops for Namarti in general, Lotann would have a kind of effective home there. Don't get me wrong: he dies like a gerbil in a speedbag, but he could turn a unit of Thralls into powerhouses

@chibizion

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah I feel like the "wholly within" thing was patched in last minute without extending the range to make it actually work. And whomever decided Thralls should have a 1" reach never looked at the models.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Problem is, it's missing that critical battleline buff or three that sends them over the top in most armies with that strat. snufflers for gloomspite stabbas, dans macabre for LoN skeletons, bloodfeast and ribcracker for maw gluttons, death frenzy and gnash-gnaw for clan rats, etc etc

@Spiraticus

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah Any ideas as to what you would add to the army in a hypothetical wave 2? (No pun intended.)

I got deeply into WH40k Mini Painting since February this year, and my two factions of choice are AdMech and Orks (because WAAAAAAAGH). I already painted 1500pts each and got a good grasp of the process. Prime, Base, Wash, Layers, Highlights, Details, Effects and Basing. Also got into Contrast Paint + Drybrush combo for my Star Wars Legion Clone Wars Core Set and got it done in a few days that way. It's time to start a new army and evolve my painting, but I cannot really commit to a third 40k one. Admech is Red+Metal+Grimdark, Orks are Green+Metal+Grimdark, lol. Space Marines are just not my thing. I need something more vibrant and "natural" with many colours that will challenge my painting skills. Enter AoS, I gues Now, I am torn between Deepkin and Sylvaneth. I have ZERO knowledge about the Lore, the Game or anything AoS. :'-) But both looks so amazing, Deepkin Peaks my interest more over all. But Sylvaneth's Half Aetherial, Half Material Tree models look like I can go ham with new painting styles (Airbrush, Slapchop, Drybrush the whole thing etc). What to do?!

great video as always; would you ever fancy the idea of making one of these videos on ironjawz?

@BR4IN1N4J4R

3 жыл бұрын

He's going to be doing Warclans in the same way he did Cities/StD

this kind of flying cavalry army is super great for people who are bad at making bases. With the model so far from the base itself, it doesn't matter if you're clumsy with texture paints.

Still waiting for that KO video!

How do you feel about Idoneth after seeing the changes from Broken Realms Morathi?

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

I feel much better about the diversity of lists tbh

@vinsklortho2008

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah One of the lists I was considering to get into IDK is three MSU squads of eels, 2 turtles, and a bunch of sharks, lead by an Akhelian King in that Akhelian battalion but I'm worried about getting spelled to death with so little wounds on the table.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinsklortho2008 That does feel a tad low on overall wounds, but swapping to volturnos (has a spell shield) and maybe limiting it to only 1 turtle (as only 1 fits in bat) then adding some more sharks or eels should get you closer to that comfortable 120w area.

@vinsklortho2008

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah Thank you for the advice. :)

So the tide caster becomes less awkward with the futhean enclave where your retreat and charge becomes run and charge

Love the Vids!

I think its good to trash the list videos attached to the why plays, but the why plays are still awesome and I hope you continue them and provide the to the yet-to-patreon you's

Station!

How does this army fight on land? Flying sharks?

@user-cd8ke3it3w

3 жыл бұрын

Etherial sea. This is a magic bubble, that mixing up air and water. That's how elves can live on the bottom of the ocean without gills, and that's why fish can swim in air.

Please do one for Beasts of Chaos!

I wanna know if anyones ever painted the water aspects of these models red like blood instead.

@HeyWoah

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I've seen at least two vampire themed IDK, of course featuring Wave Chad riding a blood wave. It was sweet.

Eels.

hey HeyWoah, when are you making the next one of these?

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

When my computer is back up and running. It died completely last week.

@shrimp4496

3 жыл бұрын

@@HeyWoah oh dude rip, that sucks

@mattstanislen3165

3 жыл бұрын

​@@HeyWoah Have you found out why? If your cpu has built in graphics you can use that to easily diagnose if it's your dedicated gpu causing the coma. Just in time for the 3080's lol.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattstanislen3165 more than a coma. failed to post, figured power issue. used a different psu still failed to post. Took ram out and still failed to post but no beeps and that's when I decided it was time to let it go (5 years old anyway). Also 2 of the SSDs were messed up when I put them in enclosure on a friend's comp (showed as unallocated space, testdisk couldn't repair the headers, just endless errors). GPU of all things was the only salvageable part, still using it atm (till that power issue gets smoothed over on 3080s).

WHOA 😳 🐠

isnt this one of the top 10 armies right now?

I'm a little surprised at how highly this army was rated, given how poor the faction's internal balance is. I don't even play AoS and I know how screwed up the Deepkin models are.

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Not rating on internal balance, else it would get probably an F. Rated on end results gameplay-wise on the table for some simplified categories.

needs a new update for this dex

@HeyWoah

2 жыл бұрын

all my Why Plays are quite out of date, sadly.

Man these guys seem so cool. Not my jam but cool nonetheless

Ah yes... The opinion of a man who didn't play the army, only read the book.

@HeyWoah

2 жыл бұрын

This is an old video before many of their warscrolls were changed, twice, though I did and do play the army.

Damn so Teclis created a race of beings before he was ready, they came put deformed, and then he abandoned them. The original deadbeat bad smh.

I have a Sea Aspect Eidolon and he's done me well in battles, don't know what the heck you're talking about

@VagueSeeker

3 жыл бұрын

He's talking about the price to bring him in conpared to what he can do he literally says that please pay attention next time.

@andco53

3 жыл бұрын

@@VagueSeeker Yeah, and I think he's reasonably priced. I paid attention to what he said, I just thought parts of it were nonsense

*Pretty Pretty please cover NightHaunt .* 👻 🌙

The Shaerk looks ridiculous

I know that it is not really important but please say coup de grace (same as you said but with a s pronounced at the end) otherwise you are not saying final blow you are just saying fat punch or punch of fat apart from that really cool video and love the channel

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

Punch of Fat

This is definitely an example of an army that has the big AoS problem of too view workable builds and usable units in at least semi competitive play. Plus this army’s range is just too small in general. What was GW’s excuse for so many poorly written war scrolls I wonder?

Yes totally agree idoneth rangue is really bad, and book is really old, everything on it is useless, only eels are good. We havent any command ability, ok 1 with 100 restrictions, when lots of armys have it with 0 restrictions. No magic since our lose is the worst by far, no relics, no command abilitys, no prayers since the 3 we have are total jokes and need a 10 to do them wtf. Etc etc Everything need huge rules buffs, not point decreases. Even eels arent so amazing.

Wen stormcast?

ABC

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not first :(

Lumineth

"Why play Deepkin"? Don't. They're terrible. I was lied to. I wanted horrible deep sea abomination Cthulhu men with tube worms and eels and anglerfish. Instead I got a bunch of angry fucking sea elves.

I found this all very disappointing. I pick Idoneth Deepkin because I wanted something that was completely different from what I own or planned to own in WFB and something that was clearly AoS. Lorewise I thought I was getting something like Sea Eldar, not Sea Dark Eldar. If I wanted to play soul stealing evil, I would have stuck with Chaos. I'm also not liking the gameplay and model diversity. As soon as I look through the book, I felt (outside of the leaders) there should have been a lot more different choices. Maybe I got spoiled by Chaos, but with such low model choices it would seem nearly all Idoneth Deepkin armies would seem samey and I hate they a lot. I don't mind having a few eels, but it feels wrong that they are the beard and butter of the army. Overall I've never played Idoneth Deepkin and I've only played a couple AoS games within the first few months it came out, but my reading of the book gave me similar feelings that you put in your review. I'm only in by a book and a box of archers, but I'm not sure if there is any else I want to play instead.

Why the fuck do sea elves have bows. . . I just picture one like 10m away from you, shoot an arrow and it just kinda slows to a lazy stop like a foot from your face then just drifts listlessly upwards while the archer kind of just. . . apologizes

Sorry bro, I dont like tentacle hentai, or age of sigmar...I'll pass

Why indeed ? GWS is becoming like marvel running out of ideas, hey let's ruin WHFB and create a dog shit game👍

@HeyWoah

3 жыл бұрын

hey alright