The video looks amazing! Thanks guys for allowing me to participate in the making of this video!

@rkka1989

Жыл бұрын

已追蹤 講解得真好！我私底下希望能你能幫Tank Encyclopedia重新配萬乘四樣車那輯，雖然配音員已經很努力了，但還是覺得聽了有點不舒服，部分講解內容也不完全正確。

@resistanceremembered

Жыл бұрын

@@rkka1989 非常感谢您的订阅！我可能只对抗日战争时期的一些武器和装备比较了解，对战后和其他国家使用的装备懂的不是太多。所以要是让我来做其他内容的视频我怕做不好哈哈哈。

@rkka1989

Жыл бұрын

@@resistanceremembered 主要是配個音

Fascinating video, love seeing more coverage of the Sino-Japanese war, as well as representation of the Chinese systems, which often get overlooked. Keep up the great work!

The Vickers E Type B was the world's first tank to have a co-axial machine gun. The main armament was a Vickers-Armstrong Quick Firing 47mm. L.23 3 pounder gun, equipped with HE & AP solid shot ammunition. It was tested to be able to penetrate up to 33mm. of RHA @ 0 degrees @ 100 yards. The secondary armament was a coaxial Vickers water cooled medium machine gun. Armour layout Chinese specification Vickers E Type B: Turret Gun Mantlet = 17mm. Turret front, sides & rear = 17mm.. Hull front = 13mm. Hull sides = 13mm. Hull rear = 8mm. Deck / Floor = 5mm. NOTE: This Chinese specification Vickers E Type B variant has thicker turret armour than the standard Vickers E Type B supplied to Bolivia, Thailand, Poland, Finland, etc. This additional weight reduced the top speed down from 22 MPH to 19 MPH.

I love that the KMT only had eager tank nerds that likely drove a tractor on a farm and has read a book about tanks and that's how they got their qualifications. 👍

Belgium had some vickers tank as well, one model with a 13.2mm HMG ,the T13 and a line of TDs with a 47mm AT gun (T15), the latter proved especially useful in 1940ome

To be of any tactical use, the Chinese would probably have needed hundreds/thousands of tanks. Urban settings are now known to not be a good place to use tanks. But you also have to consider that a lot of the Chinese country would not have been suitable for tanks (e.g. rice fields, rivers etc)

The Soviets were steps ahead...at least gave the Vickers chassis a decent turret.

The Type E was a very good fighting vehicle, the example in the British Tank Museum, which was seized by the British in 1939 before its export and used only as a training vehicle. David Fletcher has stated that at the time it was the best light tank of any nation, and the Finns used both British supplied Type Es and numerous T-26 tanks throughout their Winter and Continuation War with great success.

Awsome vid the tank was very good for the time agianst the Japanese Type 89 just wrong place wrong time with other Japanese assets agianst it and as said the training and no how was not there just an entusiatic fervor. If it had been and deployed in the right place they would have done okay or better than what happened.

This vid is the reason I subscribe. Well done.

In fact, Vickers Mark E was the most advanced tank in the world in 1930-33 ;) It had no serious competition then.

Just think what could have happened if there had been more of them and they had been competently used.

well done doc and narration, very informative and thanks also for covering details rarely discussed

Really the best tank for the kmt in 1935 would have been the Czech panzer35t. Good cross country performance, optics, and main gun. The machine guns were already used by the infantry. And most importantly it was for license production, meaning the Czechoslovakian government would have set up a factory in China to produce and maintain the tanks. They did this for Romania, Turkey, and Yugoslavia.

@tianwong152

Жыл бұрын

They could but steel industry was almost nonexistant in China and wasn't even encouraged by Chiang Kaishek (who got his money from import duties). What little steel industry did exist was siezed by the Japanese already in 1931 in Manchuria. Not only that, but different warlord factions had different benefactoring colonising powers too: ie some generals wanted Italian, some wanted German and some wanted British. Stalin was willing to supply, but Chiang was suspicious of Stalin given his connection with the Chinese Communists.

Awesome, not only a great new video now I got another great channel to follow! Great start of the week!

9:10 throw hand grenades in the place Your group is already running into, I don't remember that from training...

Good job! Vickers 6 ton tank is one of the most advanced tank in early 1930s. Btw is there any data availalbe for this tank's 47mm low velocity cannon? like penetration data?

Honestly Chinese army wouldn't care less about producing tank when their own industry is generally pretty backward in producing military equipment,

Very nice! How about VIckers Mk E in Polish service? I`ll be pleased to help.

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

Жыл бұрын

Join our Discord, talk to Stan

@Jendrass1939

Жыл бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT no idea how to do this :(

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

Жыл бұрын

@@Jendrass1939 discord.gg/3VjQ8Zq

Chinese national troops had same uniforms, German helmets and hats as Finns.

@tianwong152

Жыл бұрын

Not all of them. The official helmet was the German M35 but some used French Adrians and some imported British Brodies from Hong Kong. In fact, officially the uniform was meant to be olive green, but it was expensive so only Chiang's own faction used it and everyone else had to make do with grey or blue uniforms. Yes, grey, not even Feldgrau.

Talk about the Flak Bus German giant Flak Halftrack Machinery

do you have anything on the Unique Chines armoured trains that played a prominent role during this same era? many of them where constructed and even crewed by White Russians fleeing the now Red Russia and ending up as mercenaries fighting under various Chinese warlord's one of their most important contributions was vastly improving the Chinese armoured train designs.

It looks similar to a Swedish vehicle i don't know the name though

@tianwong152

Жыл бұрын

It's the basis of many vehicles including the Soviet T26

You are wrong about the conquistadors they won because they used other Indians that where under forced Aztec rule as allies the Indians could shoot 10+ arrows to the one gun shot for the Spaniard.

@TheArklyte

Жыл бұрын

So... just like japanese "used" chinese communists, who sabotaged KMT supplies and logistics 99% of the time instead of defending China from foreign invasion? Except japanese weren't aware of the scale of the help they were getting 😂

@Randomvietnamdude

Жыл бұрын

Is also about the morale effects of those advantages weapon the spanish have, like a shoot sound like a loud thunder which is something the indians was shock

@TheArklyte

Жыл бұрын

@@Randomvietnamdude not for long. And are you saying that psychological effect of being captured to be sacrificed was lower? Spanish were just as terrified in this conflict, just for different reasons:D

@jidk6565

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't the point of the comparison An invading imperialist is slaughtering EVERYBODY and there's almost nothing that can be done to stop it

@lambastepirate

Жыл бұрын

@@jidk6565 No you can't really compare it that way thair where tens of thousands of Indians who hated the Aztec. Many different tribes the Spaniards where in the hundreds usually 300-500 not all of them had guns either. Imperialists use a national army. Sometimes a mercenary outfit or two will be employed. I don't think they could have held it but for disease killing 75-90% of the native population.

No matter how many tanks the Chinese have, they could not replace fast enough and there were no time to really train. Beside no air cover make it worse

The Vickers tanks were the standard for the 1930’s. They were copied by Czechoslovakia, Russia, Italy, Poland and a few other countries at the time. Unfortunately better tanks and anti tank weapons appeared and between this and misunderstandings or ignorance of basic principles of armored tactics these types of tanks, though sound and numerous, faired poorly. It is worth noting that England did not employ the type.

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

11 ай бұрын

Czechoslovakia didn't use Mark Es, they used the tankettes. Italy didn't use Mark Es, although they shamelessly copied the suspension. England employed a number of the type for training during WW2, which were requisitioned on short notice.

@bradywomack9751

11 ай бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT England used none in combat despite the dire straits they were in and used practically anything thing that moved for training including tractors. Czechoslovakian LT zv 35 tanks were based on the Vickers type.

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

11 ай бұрын

You didn't say used in combat, you said employed. Japan employs Type 10s and Type 90s, even though they never saw combat. I have never seen any reference to the LT vz 35 (which is based on the LT vz 34) being in any way, shape or form based on the Vickers. There is no visible shared component (not even the suspension), so I don't know where you got that from.

@bradywomack9751

11 ай бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT There was a book in the 70’s titled Tank that made that claim and several websites have echoed it. I mostly model armored vehicles in 1/72 scale so I may not be exactly the best at armored vehicle history, but I do try to keep up even if it may be a bit outdated. Ok you got me on a technicality I did say employed. Thanks for responding and I do find this channel a wealth of information and inspiration for projects. Quite impressed by your use of accurate footage and photos of the actual vehicles in the correct time and markings. Most don’t bother being so accurate.

13.11 Doble-turret Vickers 6 tonn tank? It is no information China bought them. May be its a Spain? Portugal? Poland? Japan? Greece? Does anyone know something about that?

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

4 күн бұрын

Probably a captured Soviet T-26

tiger 1 and M4 sherman for the KMT

I feel like it needs to be mentioned more that USSR, who invaded China in 1929 in hopes of installing pro-soviet regime under the pretext of border conflict over the rights to control northern chinese railways and is the source of Mao's "communist" also had "significant influence" on chinese politics, both foreign and internal. Not to mention the gargantuan amounts of material and advisory help they've provided to Mao later on in 1945-1949 before trying to copy the same maneuver in Korea and being caught red handed, leading to Korean War. Especially how China kicked Stalin's butt in 1929 and caused him to adopt his "socialism in single country" pseudo-"neutrality" until he'd feel like big boy again 😂 The interesting case for tanks is that there wasn't other things one could purchase on international market. It was either Vickers E/T-26(depending on who agreed to sell them) or Pz.I. Same tanks that were later on seen in Spanish Civil War, where it was once again proven that T-26 lacks durability while Pz.I lacks offensive capability. In Spain after the war it lead to an attempt to combine both tanks into Verdeja. Which took a decade to develop and eventually was too late. Similar case can probably be made for mid-WWII romanian attempt to upgun faitly durable(for light infantry support tanks) french R35 tanks with soviet 20K 45mm guns taken from T-26. Once again, too little, too late. On the other hand there is an example of Hungary, where the idea the czechs and hungarians came up with for Turan was pretty solid - just take the ammunition of Bofors 40mm autocannon and build single shot autoejecting ie "quarter automatic" tank cannon around it. I feel like it'd be enough to deal with majority of japanese armor. There can also be a case made for using local resources to modify purchased vehicles into SPGs and assault guns armed with short 75mm howitzers as that is something(ie field and garage modifications of available vehicles) that chinese forces and even yugoslav partisans and polish underground were shown capable of doing. But that's the gun. There's still a question of protection, visibility and communications. Light infantry support tanks need to be able to withstand antitank rifles from any direction, need to be able to "overmatch" AT tank crews from the front ie have enough armor to bounce a shot from 37mm to the front at high distances while also having powerfull 75+mm HE shell that can destroy the gun or kill the crew with a single detonation near it and especially, above anything else, have a radio to serve as mobile communications for the infantry company they support. *There is no such tank in the world in 1930's and until 1940's it can be easily called a heavy one.* Since what I've just described is basically a mixture of Valentine XI and M15/42, which are technologically comparable to T-26, but in fact are far more expensive and heavy machines with long development times. So no, China can't have better tanks _suitable for its situation since _*_no such tanks exist yet._* And I'd say that ability of a tanks to use their radios to coordinate the efforts of chinese defenders would have been far more important then a more powerful gun. The only better source of tanks for KMT would have been if they would have received volunteer forces from League of Nations members and the better use of those would have been to deal with "communist" collaborators to foreign powers trying to carve up China in 1930's ie USSR and Japan.

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

Жыл бұрын

Except that there were two other export alternatives: Sweden (although arguably its offer was quite weak at the time the Vickers were bought by China) and Czechoslovakia, with arguably the best export tanks at the time.

@TheArklyte

Жыл бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT damn, you're right, I forgot about czechs. And their tanks meet the requirements...

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

Жыл бұрын

And of course we both forgot Italy (little known and small volumes, but still) and the most important of all: France, which was a massive arms exporter all over the world.

@TheArklyte

Жыл бұрын

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT I didn't forget, I'm just not sure what could be purchased from Italy aside from tankettes and Fiat 3000 and what were french relations with ROC? Buying or even setting up licensed production of Char D1(command tanks?)/Renault NC(infantry support?) sounds like a massive thing. But will french sell? Or do they view ROC as a threat to their colonies?

@TanksEncyclopediaYT

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Italy only exported FIAT 3000s, L3s and armored cars. For France, those Renault FTs of the Chinese warlords were sold directly AFAIK, so I don't think the French would have had much of a moral issue (they never do). The issue of what is more problematic, they usually sold H35s and R35s, but those were just FT++.

Tiger Tanks, with chinese characteristics.😂

@kurt5490

Жыл бұрын

Creative and hilarious!

The KMT greatest failures, was allowing Chiang Kai Shek to take powers, because his branch represents only the Oligarchy of China, and his branch, the most wealth funded branch by Chinese Oligarch, Western colonial powers, purges the CCP, the left wing branch of the KMT, which cuts off 90% of the KMT fighting forces. The KMT under Chiang leadership second biggest failures was to industrializes so little, to not raise standard of living, increase the productive forces, and rely on very workers labors to only produces mostly raw materials. This gave the Oligarch so much controls, at the cost of the worker and peasantry leveling standard not raising but even plummet. Amit this, tanks domestic production, even L3/33 and L6, FT-17 series and Vickers 6 Tons would be well enough to fight off Imperial Japan for the early half of the wars since their own armors is the colonial types, meant to be cheap plentiful infantry supports, but there were never a need under Chiang leadership to do such a thing, since Chinese Oligarch didn't cares enough to distribute their wealth, while only got accumulates more and more, thus they didn't invest the domestic armor, while forcing the KMT taxing it's own working population more and more, to even get enough for setting up production. The last one was to trust in the words of collaboration between Chiang and the Northern Warlord, whom he made alliance with, after he order the purge of left wing branch in the KMT after the Northern Expedition, whom in 1937, retreat to their fort and precedes to do nothing during the entire WW2, they didn't helps the peoples fleeing, they didn't let the refugees seek shelter in their forts, they even stole foods from the peoples fleeing the cities. You can't blame the other KMT leaders either, because most of them does not like Chiang, whom eliminate support among the mass populations, where many of the KMT personnel joins the KMT because of their initial commitment of servicing the nations, as in the majority of the population, and all class background, and Chiang only represent the Elite, and since he got into power, living standard in China for the mass only decreases, especially with the KMT acting as the polices forces to brutalizes rioting and worker Union. Also the Million of people who "answer" Chiang call to Arms were forcefully taken from their villages in rural areas, after many left the KMT after Chiang got to powers, and many was executes by refusing to joins Chiang call to Arms. Meanwhile before Chiang rules the KMT, the people was willing to aids the KMT, which at one point represent all economic class in China.

Whilst I enjoy content on this interesting period in Chinese history and the curious arsenals of Chinese factions, comparing conflict between the Chinese and Japanese to the conflicts between indigenous Americans and the Spanish seems a bit dramatic. After all, the Chinese had firearms, forging, prople educated in economics and modern warfare, a vast resource rich nation, and the ability to profit from these resources to finance their military efforts. China was intimately integrated in the global economy and received a wide variety of foreign aid. Indigenous Americans generally lacked these things when the Spanish invaded. Even foreign diseases were new to indigenous Americans and they often took a severe toll. I don't really appreciate the use of such exagerated notions in a Tank Encyclopedia video, even if the Chinese were often at a significant disadvantage and suffered asymmetric casualty rates.

It is pronounced .." Sigh-No " andy. Not against you as we all mispronounced names at one time or the other but that one hurt my ears buddy.😁