If I'm not mistaken, I think that Force Bellow was used very effectively by Jedi Master Do'Va Kiin.

@LoneSilverW0lf

Жыл бұрын

On some planets he was called Ysmir. His use of Force Bellow was sometimes mistaken for a Krayt Dragon.

@fishwars4549

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it might be unique to the species cause of the throats

@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave

Жыл бұрын

FORCE RO DAH!!!

@romanc5964

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree with you battle brother.

@gan5045

Жыл бұрын

I like to force belch.

Maybe if Anakin just asked Obi-Wan to teach him how to save Padme from dying, he wouldn't have alerted the order and ACTUALLY helped him using knowledge from the archives.

@mandalor-8315

Жыл бұрын

Are we talking about the same thing Ben solo did with dang what's her name!?

@vexmythoclass5000

Жыл бұрын

Ye but balance would not of been brought

@mandalor-8315

Жыл бұрын

@@vexmythoclass5000 Yeah I think that force ability means he has the give up his life for hers

@diamondplayz2145

Жыл бұрын

5hat would have been to simple for Anakin.

@aliesmale

Жыл бұрын

Well Anakin did kinda ask Yoda.

The reason why the knights of the Old Republic were so much more powerful than the Jedi orders of the New Republic, or because they tapped into the dark side. Anakin has even stated that the Jedi could easily overpower any opponent, but they're limited to what they can do. This is the real reason why the Jedi order and the Republic fell to Palpatine. Had they still practiced dark side tendencies, they might have been able to sense that Palps was really the dark lord of the sith. Which is why Sidious wanted Qui-Gon dead because he knew if there was anyone on the order that would find out who he really was, it was Qui-Gon

@GayLPer

Жыл бұрын

Mace Windu was the Jedi Master most in touch with the Dark Side, and yet he couldn't sense Sidious. I don't think anyone could've sensed Sidious, even a full on Sith. The problem with the Jedi Order was their rejection of social attachment. If they had helped Anakin's mother find safety, if they had let him and Padma fall in love openly, if they had been able to help him understand his vision, Sidious never would've been able to manipulate him. But the Jedi ceased to be about doing good and became more about keeping order, and this not only made them vulnerable to manipulation and deceit, but it also made them directly complicit in events that are atrocious if you think about them for even a moment.

@johnzagajeski8124

Жыл бұрын

That’s not entirely true, the Jedi of the old republic were also dogmatic in their beliefs and the reason sidious wanted Qui Gon dead was because Qui Gon often went against the orders wishes and acted on his own beliefs of the greater good making him the Jedi that was most likely to stand against the use of the clone army and the Jedi taking up a role in politics and the military. The Jedi order doubted Qui Gon’s abilities but sidious knew just how powerful he really was and saw his potential to ruin his plans for the empire.

@maelofohio6682

Жыл бұрын

I think the guy above said most of what I was gonna say, but I will add the reason people assume they worked more in the dark side then the new era prior to Palps sith empire. The sith had numerous individuals meaning the Jedi clashed more constantly and due to this clash as Yoda learnt, war leads to the dark side. It was not cause they practiced the dark side that is the Je'dai that was balanced. BUT it was due to the consistent warfare between them. Added; This could be used as an underlining reason, WHY many Jedi in the old Republic fell to the dark side like Nihilus.

@theseekerofancienttruth3873

Жыл бұрын

​@@GayLPer Meetra Surik Could have Sensed Sidious. Revan could have as well. It was a Fear of the Dark Side that Destroyed the Prequel-era Jedi.

Obiwan also used taunts. A lot. Anyway, I don't see a problem with the abilities being known to the jedi, and even used, in accordance to their belief system. 1. Force stealth / concealment is useful as an ability for spying on any dark side users (who would not be learning and using the ability if they had no reason to believe there are jedi nearby, presumably), or to mask your emotions (as jedi are not in fact emotionless as their creed implies at face value). Why would you want to mask your emotions? Say you've got a padawan who keeps failing. They frustrate you, but you don't want to show that so you don't discourage them. Hide it - problem solved. A jedi intent on finding proof of some conspiracy or other that they're clued in to, might also benefit from this, as not all who are force sensitive are trained as jedi or sith, but they might sense another force sensitive nearby. 2. Megaphone has a very big use in communicating with your allies. If you are locked in one on one combat with a sith, with no one around to be injured (and the jedi can sense life regardless through the living force so no risk of ignorance), can also be used to disorient the enemy to aid you in disarming them. 3. Pyrokinesis could be used to start a fire in the wilds while you're trying to survive. A useful skill for infiltrators and sentinels. Fire can also be used to warm up someone who's freezing, cook food, or even, as an emergency battlefield method, to cauterize wounds. Set a spoon on fire and use it to sear wounds closed. Medic droids can take care of more advanced healing once the wounded are safe. 4. Manipulating elements of nature is similarly useful - avoid a blizzard by bending it around yourself and potential rescue / escort targets, hold at bay a volcano while the population evacuates, redirect lightning by acting as a lightning rod on a particularly stormy planet, etc. 5. Machine commanding can be incredibly useful, and droids are not considered by the denizens of star wars universe, perhaps even less so by the jedi, to be alive in any real sense. Manipulating machinery or a droid with manual input is all fine, but there may be time restraints that make it more expedient to use this ability. Example: a crane is about to fall due to a landslide, right on top of a village. Do you run to the controls and manually pilot it back, or is it far more advisable to use this ability to "command" the machine to pilot itself backwards, or whatever other maneuver you have in mind? 6. I see no issue with psych warfare. Jedi are proponents and keepers of peace. Technically, they could even use fear to ensure peace (and more or less they do, as Jedi are about as feared as they are respected prior to nearly being exterminated). It's really not that different from force suggestion. You exploit your enemy's potential lack of will to fight. And for Jedi, this more often than not means you are better able to capture your enemy rather than kill them, which allows justice to be done, instead of vengeance. 7. Causing injuries... that's basically what their lightsaber is for, as well, and they also use the force to properly wield a lightsaber. Not an inherently dark or questionable ability. Sometimes it is necessary to injure in order to keep the peace. A warning, not a kill. Obi Wan used the concept of this versus Anakin in their final battle. A disabled enemy is better than a dead enemy. In the case of Anakin, he wasn't left alive to suffer, but to have time to think on his actions before he passed on - a cruel type of mercy that the Jedi would absolutely advocate for. The hope presumably is that they come to see the error of their ways and die in peace. (Technically Anakin ceased to exist at that point so that was their technical final battle.)

@zereimu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the video seems to have a shortsighted tone. "Doctors are hypocrites because they use scalpels which cut open people." Sort of reasoning. lol

@GavinTheWild

Жыл бұрын

That a long comment

@zereimu

Жыл бұрын

@@GavinTheWild Yep, a long comment with significantly more understanding of the Jedi than what we got in the video.

@domacleod

Жыл бұрын

@@GavinTheWild Read it or don't, but it is very obvious that it is a long comment, so I'm not sure what your own comment is meant to add.

@gan5045

Жыл бұрын

Who knew talking smack was a force ability. I guess the force is stronger in me than I realized.

Tbh, Palpatine's office was filled with sith artifacts and whatnot which aided in him hiding his force sensitivity/alignment from the Jedi.

@domacleod

Жыл бұрын

Fisto walks into Palpatine's office. "Greetings, chancellor. Oh, what interesting artifacts you have. A serrated ceremonial sacrificial knife with sith runes on it. A vase containing the remains of Darth Bane. Oh, no, you can't be serious chancellor! You have the actual battle suit of Exar Kun?! Oh, I am so envious - and is that a Rakghoul plague dispenser? My, what luxury." Meanwhile Palpatine doesn't know whether Fisto is just utterly oblivious or calling him out.

The Jedi always used restraint even when they could in principle be as powerful as sith. Reminds me of when Obi wan fought Vader and picked up hundreds of rocks and threw them at him. I think at this point Obi Wan was getting more than irked with Vader and wanted to show him even a Jedi can can get pissed and use the force beyond the restraint they were taught.

@ccseries

Жыл бұрын

See, when I watch that scene, I always think "Man, THAT'S some bullshit!" But after reading your comment? It makes so much more sense now. Still, those Jedi got slaughtered during Order 66, and if they had just let go of that restraint, more would have survived. But I'm getting ahead of myself here. I like this comment.

@brycejamespopken7931

Жыл бұрын

@@ccseries maybe the reason those that survived did so because they let go of restraint

@richardblack3385

Жыл бұрын

@@brycejamespopken7931 yooo

@cushman72393

Жыл бұрын

I do agree with you but at the same time I feel that Obi Wan could have done more way more than a piss poor stoning... The scene makes me upset because it's just like... Underplayed and very anti climactic... And Vader missed the PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to say what Obi Wan said to him 9 years prior on Mustafar... "It's over Kenobi, I have the high ground!"

@VaderzBane

Жыл бұрын

Anti climatic? What’d you want, for them to hurl star destroyers at each other?

I agree with Luke in the sense that no force ability is inherently evil , it just depends on its user

@isayaragnes8066

Жыл бұрын

Well some things are just evil. In no world force lightning is not evil. It does not just shock a person as it might seem, it is actually inducing agonising pain by design and also flooding targets mind with painful visions and memories wracking both mind and body.

@johanneskaiser8188

5 ай бұрын

@@isayaragnes8066 Perhaps it could also be used to give power to machines by charging them. Or overload droids that don't feel it anyways, which would leave them mostly intact for repair later.

@rodlurks66

3 ай бұрын

@@isayaragnes8066 Once again this depends on the user, Electric Judgment & Sith lightning seemed very similar and were basically the same power but the Sith had adapted their version to do the extra things that you mentioned, where electric judgement did not have those extra functions

I would imagine the permission for the use of Force Injure is in the same vain as literal disarming strikes are taught in lightsaber combat. If combat is unavoidable, then finish the fight as quickly as possible with as little collateral damage and death as possible. Even if that means amputation or similar permanent but nonfatal injuries.

@jamesmickle3690

Жыл бұрын

I was also of the mind if a Jedi is trying to apprehend a dangerous criminal who's fleeing it might be deployed to either incapacitate or maim the target to later force heal the injury once apprehended.

@thalmoragent9344

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@TheAyanamiRei

Жыл бұрын

Except once you allow the use of The Force to DIRECTLY inflict damage, how then are they different from The Dark Side Users? What right have they to outlaw the use of OTHER damaging techniques? The express use of this is VIOLENCE and SUFFERING Directly. If anything, it really does show how the Jedi were FAR closer to the Dark Side than they'd ever want to admit. That there wasn't this STRICT BOUNDARY between Light & Dark Abilities or Use.

@ryanpiercy3390

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAyanamiRei strict? no, the boundary itself has always been somewhat murky, its just a case of the Jedi coming down hard on anyone who they thought crossed it. Personally, I favor the je'daii way and code, They aren't so caught up in denying the darkness within us all that they can't wipe their own asses without a droid.

@TheAyanamiRei

Жыл бұрын

​@@ryanpiercy3390 Except the Jedi had ALWAYS had relatively strict ideas about what counts as Light vs Dark Side Abilities. The biggest of which is Force Techniques that DIRECTLY cause Damage/Pain on Organic Humanoid Life Forms. Or at least ones that THAT is it's Sole Purpose. A Force Push could be used to move heavy objects. To attack INorganic life. Disable enemies or intimdate so you do NOT have to use LEthal Force. To escape a fight. Compare that to something like Force Crush where it's ONLY use is to inflict Pain & Damage. Which Mace Windu even used against an ORGANIC being, which SHOULD make that a Dark Side Use, if not ABILITY!

Certain Jedi were less corruptible; hence they were permitted to learn and use such powers. Limitations were placed on lesser Jedi to avoid them falling to the dark side and thus resurrecting the Sith.

@masonjohnson4310

Жыл бұрын

For example, Mace Windu has learned several abilities considered Dark Side abilities, and his personal lightsaber form taps into the Dark Side too. IIRC at least.

If I had to guess the reasoning behind certain abilities like Alter Environment, it's that the Jedi trusts the Force to guide them - therefore, the Force would reveal when it was best to use such abilities, and when it was overkill or did more harm than good. It's the same logic behind Druids in D&D, who serve nature, calling forth storms or conjuring flames.

@grimsgraveyard3598

Жыл бұрын

Flames and storms are parts of nature though merely the more destructive aspects.

@Oturan20

Жыл бұрын

Jedi aren't space wizards... they're SPACE DRUIDS!

The Jedi mind trick is the most unethical Jedi ability manipulating someone to do your bidding

I believe in the path of the grey Jedi, that all force abilities are neither good nor evil but lend themselves to the user's will, as with anything a reliance or focus on anything is a bad thing that will corrupt even if it is noble. If a force choke is used on an enemy to prevent harm to another where no other option is available, then it would be acceptable. Likewise using force heal to prolong the suffering of another without the intention of cure is pure evil and I'm sure the sith might even approve of its use in this case.

The high sith art of...insults. Dooku:"yo anakin." Ani:"what?" Dooku:"your son will never go to Toshi station with his friends!' Ani: *get's weaker*

I wish the movies would feature more offensive light side powers. You have to be creative to write them. But Knights of the old Republic featured force stasis and stun. Yaddle can slow someone's metabolism down to a standstill. Basically force euthanasia. But It could probably be used to make someone faint. Alter environment and Battle Meditation is also pretty cool. Electric judgement is a more focused form of force lightning. Maybe its based on the buddhist idea of using anger as a tool but not holding on to it. Which seems appropriate for grey Jedi as well. But it seems to be more powered by a desire to bring Justice. Not quite righteous anger. But a desire to protect those who have been wronged by acting as a counterforce to an oppresive force. Its the creativity in writing them that make light side powers interesting. Its also weird that the lightsaber that symbolizes the jedi was originally a dark side weapon. The forcesaber was a Rakatan weapon that focused dark side power through a crystal. The original Jedi swords where more like psyker power swords from Warhammer 40k. Swords imbued with the force power of the user.

I'd say there's nothing wrong with the Jedi learning or using any of these abilities mentioned because the first Jedi's practiced both dark and light sides of the force and it was a war that split them apart, so haveing aggressive light force abilities makes sence for the Jedi order to survive

As nearly always with such things.. it's almost always the INTENT the determines what side of the force you're using. While there are certain abilities that DO tap into the Dark side much more, such as Force lighting, choke or other direct force attacks.. when used for DEFENSE or to save someone elses life, it CAN be justified on a LIMITED case by case basis. If one starts to use it TOO much and thinks, like Anakin did, that they're strong enough to handle it WITHOUT being corrupted, that Arrogance and Ego CAN and often DOES lead that person down the path to the dark side one SMALL DROP at a time. This is why it must only be used sparingly and the Jedi themselves MUST be WELL Grounded in the force. This is something ONLY a Master with at least a decade or more of experience should use. Like VAPAAD, only very high level Masters such as Mace, Yoda, Luke etc would have sufficient power, skill and control and their LOVE for the light side be Strong enough that they could be trusted to ONLY use it when needed and Necessary. But as is the case with living beings, our spirits often become corrupted EVER SO slowly, sooo slowly that we don't even realize we're slowly going down the wrong path until it's far too late. Even when others TELL us, our ego's and over confidence, as Yoda Warned about, often BLIND us to what's really going on. THIS is why the Jedi began to grow more and more cautious, strict and wary of the Dark or even ANYTHING that was a "grey" power, because if you keep using a grey power enough, eventually it makes YOU darker and darker until you've completely gone over and don't even realize it. Just like with colors on a Paint palette for real.. keep adding grey to white and soon it will get darker and darker. This is why Meditation, Constantly taking STOCK of yourself, cleansing and purging ones spirit on a regular basis is sooo important to maintaining a pure mind, heart and soul. The Jedi weren't so cautious and dogmatic for NO reason. They had VERY GOOD REASONS for being as strict as they got, because they've seen how SUBTLE, slow and devious the dark side AND our OWN MINDS and hearts can be and how easily even the strongest CAN be corrupted if they let their GUARD DOWN even for a short time. Even the bible WARNS against this very thing in the true followers of Jesus and in advanced Chi-gung, this same thing is also taught if you want to keep making progress. You don't develop your internal force power for powers sake as the Sith do, but for Personal growth, health, longevity, enlightenment and the abilities you get FROM that training are considered positive SIDE EFFECTS and should only be used Sparingly in the service of Life and Others, NEVER for personal gain, power. greed, control etc. These are ACTUAL TEACHINGS within Advanced Gung-fu, Shaolin and Taoist teachings on Chi-gung and it's where Lucas got a LOT of these concepts used in Star Wars. This is why Star Wars is NOT just Awesome SCI-FI.. it's LOADED with Truth on SOOO Many levels.

All of the "questionable" abilities you talked about where created in a time when the Jedi and Sith were still so similar in mindset that they used the same types of force abilities and just changed the names. And as such when people used them in battles where there could have been other less direct attacks available they were shunned, but those decisions on how certain things can and should be or should not be used were decided on by people not inherently present in that moment when shunned abilities were used. It is always well after a decision of the moment is made that someone comes along to critique and shun, to out it in a more modern perspective "Officer shoots civilian in an incident where citizen ignored and aggressively moved towards the officer." Now the officer was telling the person to slowly reach for their id and to keep their other hand up and open, the person reached in side to a coat pocket and opened the coat with the other hand with out stating that they needed to open the coat because the ID was in the inside breast pocket. The officer seen this as a threatening movement and fired. You see how the moment a choice is made is probably the only action to be done to stop the inherent threat, while anyone not there, not ever in such a moment can pick apart the incident based on things found out later after a lengthy investigation. The Jedi order was good at that in its 20,000 year existence it never learned to look at the decisions available for the moment and how the mind works in moments of stress and chaos, and as such made very bad and often times very stupid decisions.

your opening statement about the jedi being narrow minded is only true for the prequels era jedi. the jedi had many different eras with many different philosophies, many of them allowed marriage and childbirth for example, and the new republic era even allowed the use of dark side abilities

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447

Жыл бұрын

@@damaskholdings9140 ok, but my point still stands: the jedi order wasn't always narrow minded.

@TheAyanamiRei

Жыл бұрын

​@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 Okay sure, but on the other hand...Prequels Era Jedi were a MESS. You had Yoda trying to say they were Servants of The Light, yet ALSO saying they were Bound & Served The Republic MORE! The Prequels Era Jedi were a Corruption of The Force, following Dogmatic Laws, more than the Spirit. The Jedi of that Era were a Bastardization of what a Jedi should be. Arrogant, yet Humble. Serving The Force, yet Serving The Republic MORE. Claimed to be Aribiters of Justice, yet IGNORING the Slave Trade. How much more good could the Prequel Era Jedi have done, going to war with the Hutts, instead of the Separatists? Or at the very least, fighting the Political CORRUPTION within the Senate! To be bound by a Government they KNEW was EXTREMELY Corrupt & Wicked!!

Dunmach is literally force enhanced talk no jutsu (enhanced in that it lets you more easily divine what will reach your opponent to throw them off balance). I'm shocked that the Jedi would condone such an unbelievably broken ability to be used... that is by far one of the strongest abilities that possibly exists

Force injure would make sense as it denotes a controlled outcome and discipline to use. Force injure on someone using a lethal device, pain enough they drop what they are holding. I honestly think the degree to which force injure is applied outweighs possible devastating situations. A user of force injure may also have force heal and can reverse the controlled damage. Like using the appropriate amount of poison for medicinal effect. Where as force choke and crush seem to be much more overly used by sith as a staple ability and much more tempting to over do for the purpose use of a jedi. The degree of control is key, to injure something in a way to incompacitate and not maim or cause permanent damage

This video is great!. It also helps us to see the dogmatic side of the most recent incarnation of the Jedi, versus the Order in the Old Republic. Keep up the great work!

I think that without some abilities of destruction or harm the Jedi could have never protected against the Sith in the old wars. I think that carrying a melting blade is way more 'sinister'

@goldenhate6649

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention battle meditation which is quite literally using the force to make you better at combat.

Luke used force choke against the 2 gamorean guards in ROTJ.

@sergepaines2274

Жыл бұрын

Seems so

What about the ability Force Fear it's a ability used and featured in the starwars the old republic game. It could've possibly been used by Palpatine to place those dreams of Padme dying into Anakins head.

@thedragonreborn9856

Жыл бұрын

Palpatine gave Anakin the dreams of his mother and of Padme

In my headcanon the Jedi perverted the force as same as the sith, both factions are dogmatic extremists. The only correct way to use the force is to balance the dark and the light side out. When you don't find a healthy you get a confused sad boi like anakin who turns everything into rubble or the lord of hunger who devours everything that moves.

Force combustion is, strictly speaking, pyrokinesis! Although pyrokinesis is a form of telekinesis it's still far more accurate to call force-combustion a type of pyrokinesis.

Using the lightsaber to kill or injury one or many people, and/or using the force to achieve the same results. I think intentions are probably more important that the weapon used. Dead is dead, maimed is maimed, your enemy won't care what your reasons are, they are the good guy for their side in their mind. Just like you are the good guy in your mind for your side.

I was seriously expecting force judgment on here

even buddhist monks have taken up arms in times of war or oppression. "how far the jedi have fallen" considering the other options they had that they didn't utilize it show's their restraint considering most of these abilities are from war time and not a time were they had the luxury of self indulgence.

I think a fight for your life is a fight for your life. Should you survive you can lament how you accomplished it if you don’t survive it does not matter anyway. Any set of rules on how to fight might be the ideal to strive for but very few life or death fights are ideal, so successful warriors need to act accordingly.

The Hunters of Night (the Night Hunters of the Star Wars Universe) have mastered the art of Mechu-Deru as well as Force lightning. The Hunters of Night have so much mastery of the Force that the blades of their Lightsabers, or rather their Lightsickles actually are made of said ForceLightning.

You: Force Bellow Me, an intellectual: space wizard Unrelenting Force(FUS RO DAH!)

suprised emerald lightning didn't make it, perhaps another time, great vid & enjoyed & learnt a lot :)

The use of the lightsaber to sever limbs (for example rogue Anakin’s) or behead opponents such as Jango Fett are permissible. So use of the force to injure someone is less fatal imo.

@TheAyanamiRei

Жыл бұрын

Except the thing is that you're not doing so directly. That's the whole point is not using The Force ITSELF as a Direct Conduit of Violence. That the Lightsaber was meant for DEFENSE & PROTECTION. Yet how can you say that ONE Violent Force Technique is Righteous while another Evil? How then can you say that you can't use Force Crush to say....break a bone, but then you can use THIS technique? The Prequel Era Jedi were Hypocrites, and were more of a Bastard Grey than truly Light. They served both Mortals AND The Force, both Corruption AND Justice.

Cool The Force Bellow is called "The Lions Roar" I'm Kung Fu Hustle

Meetra Surik employed inverse Dun Moch on Darth Sion. What about Force Light - Like what was used in legends by Luke's students to totally banish Exar Kun's spirit forever, or even what was used to defeat him in the great Sith war that he started. "Sever Force"

Are we really going to ignore the elephant in the room. Those fights scenes you displayed was outrageously impressive.

@Gabona_

Жыл бұрын

But where are they from????

Force Suppression is something else....it is an ability that can stop other Force Users from using their powers surrounding the target effectively cancelling someone's ability to use The Force for a period of time.

i can see the alter envierment be usefull, if you coul use it to make it rain or make a large wave to stop a fire from spreading, things like that.

These are amazing 😲🔎

Alter Environment was used by Yoda in episode 8, when he used a natural flash light to fire up a tree.

@dotuffel6105

Жыл бұрын

Yup

How come we never see jedi use the force ability to talk to animals more often?

@kevin8639

Жыл бұрын

Because u toch yourself

@TheAyanamiRei

Жыл бұрын

Because it was a Specialized Ability. At worst it was a technique few could use, at best it was a Technique of Limited Use. Difficult to use Animal Talk/Persuasion, when other techniques have broader and more useful applications. What could you do with Talk to Animals, that you couldn't do better with a DIFFERENT technique? ALSO: There's not going to be a lot of Animals other than people's pets in most areas, considering how EXTREMELY URBAN most Planets were that the Jedi visited.

@monk3110

Жыл бұрын

Because animals aren’t very smart and probably wouldn’t have very good answers

Spot on

3:37 FUS ROH DAHHHHHH

if i dont remember wrongy, in one of the books luke skywalker (or might have been jason solo when he was a teen) is wondering if influencing someones mind with the force should be banned because it takes away the victims will for a short period. i think that one could be a good nr 8 on the list. i cant remember what book it was but it was either jason when in his teens or young adult years (before or during yuzhangvong war) or a young luke skywalker, before or while making the new jedi order.

I think the Jedi are/were less about polarizing sides and much more about balance. The Sith order (not the species) were formed from a breakaway group of Jedi after all. With that reasoning, it makes sense to me that the Jedi would have access to all powers of the force and are prone to using ones that walk a knife's edge. Balance is a much more difficult discipline to master than pure dark or light and all Jedi masters (that I know of) have some leanings into what could be considered 'dark side' powers, especially after this video reflecting on things like 'force push' and it's possible applications. Ultimately, it's about the Will of the user and the strength of that Will when confronted with temptation and roiling emotions.

The first one they mention is one of my all-time favorite force powers.

Did yoda also use force stealth when he met Starkiller on dagobah

@DeathScepter

Жыл бұрын

Yoda is strong enough to do that

@diamondplayz2145

Жыл бұрын

@@DeathScepter If Yoda ever turned to the Dark Side, the Jedi would be in SERIOUS trouble. Dark Side Yoda is no joke.

@DeathScepter

Жыл бұрын

@@diamondplayz2145 well i know that for he is a 900 year old top tiered Jedi Master. The knowledge of the force that he has is high and made him dangerous. Also One of the reasons why Sidious tried to run.

@chazbennett8676

Жыл бұрын

Dagobah is a darkside nexus.

@hackman669

Жыл бұрын

Dark side Yoda would rule both the Jedi and Empire with a diamond fist. Making Sidious and Dooku his pets.

Is force rage still a thing because Luke's used it as well as Obi-Wan probably mace or is force Valor still around great vid btw👍

Yeah the Jedi don’t understand how the force works. The force powers aren’t what is good or bad it’s always the force user that determines that. Solid video

I feel like Dun Mak is an inverted version of a jedi mind trick. And to prohibit one would also mean the other

Electric judgement though frowned upon was a viable way to use force lightning. It was the only thing that actually worked against the Vong as they were truly immune to the force. Luke along with the entire new jedi order learned it as it was the only thing they could do besides their lightsabers and enhancing themselves. They literally had nothing else.

Force stealth shouldn't be on this list, it's not a dark ability it's neutral that's why you see folks like Palpatine able to use it as well as it was useful for the Jedi. If you are a Jedi on diplomacy missions to a world that is leery of the force but has folks able to sense it, the Baku, (sorry about spelling) is a creature of example I can think of in cannon which showed the danger of light and dark sie use and how this ability might be a safety like how some folks live hiding parts of themselves for safety as well.

The Jedi order was built out of fear and all abilities they allow help to calm the anxiety that fear brings. The contradictions show how powerful fear can be, even to the point of exposing the fear in an individual so proud of how at peace with the force they claim to be. Then watch that same individual try to claim that fear is reason and necessary. I think the pentacle of this was when the Order abandoned Ahsoka in her trial, crippled by fear, they would allow for her to unjustly be charged. Then when the force itself intervened through others, anyone who was willing, Anakin, the Order welcomed her back like they were never the reason she was there in the first place. They all looked so clueless and refused to acknowledge their fear was the reason with no other alternative. Rather than admit it they literally decided to act like the situation never happened or was a force mystery! This was directly exposed when Yoda, who was also cripple by fear, was forced to face his by the midichlorians itself lol. How selfish. Then tried to act like he didn't know what he was facing lol. His fear had to literally beat the dog crap out of him for him to finally admit! Lol. What makes it all intentional is that fear cannot exist unconsciously, you literally create it consciously. So they were 1000% aware of what they were doing. They saw it in each other and they all banded together under the same unspoken lie and built policies and procedures around rationalizing it! Lol.

I think they should learn all they can about the force, master it power, and use it whenever it necessary. It could’ve saved them durning order 66

ther are a few other but the one that really jumps out is the force control over plants... grow them and control them. That's for sure used over the enviroment. but it's light side

So all of these Firce Abilities are in a moral gray area?

@DeathScepter

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many force abilities are in a moral gray area.

@Baelfyre

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@@damaskholdings9140 Well you're wrong so..

Plo koon got his own version of light side force lightning to

Based on what was said here, l'd argue two things. The Jedi Council was very hypocritical about about following their code and yet using abilities that stood against it. But, two, for those Jedi who practiced these wider array of feats, they ceased to be Jedi anymore. Light Side Sith, Je'dai, or whatnot. They became their own thing.

I have to posit this question. Can a Jedi or Sith make a force lightsaber from their hands?

Electric Judgement when used correctly would be used to devastating effect against force users like Palpatine and Dooku. They would not know how to counter it and that's what makes Plo Koon a extremely dangerous Jedi . It's lucky they shot him down in order 66 , because a Plo Koon with Mace Windu and Yoda/ Kenobi would be a serious threat to palpatine's emerging sith empire.

You call it Doctrine.. I call it Dogma😈 **Palpatine scream*

One could argue that to band or outlaw an ability in the force is to do so because of some sort of fear. If we are to believe that fear leads to hate, then banding a force ability could lead to hate of not just the ability but of those that practice it. Then hate leads to the dark side or the collapse of the so called light side. Perhaps, instead of hard fast rules, which loop wholes could be found, principles and reasoning abilities should have been more highly stress and taught. Perhaps this would have allowed for a more balanced use of the force, since the force itself is neither light nor dark, it's just the force. Just a thought. 🤔

Yeah that ability that Yoda used where he absorbs force lightning and like blaster bolts that should’ve been banned like no joke that is broken

Luke Skywalker use a light side version in the Disney continuity of Dun Mak. In the original George Lucas continuity or lucasfilm continuity Dun mak has one fatal flaw: it backfires against the user if the user is using it against a family member or a close friend. Which is how Darth Vader made a mistake against his son under the original continuity he forgot the he forgot the floor the drawback of one of his favorite techniques. When Darth Vader use Dun Mak, he was literally able to make you see what he wanted you to see he was capable of using this technique to its highest ability simply because he did not fear death he would learn your whole fighting style from this ability alone. This is how Darth Vader defeated so many people the only other person who comes close to even using this ability almost as well as Darth Vader in my opinion is Darth Sidious Darth Sidious use Dun Mak to block the to prevent the Jedi council from sensing order 66.

I totally agree about the jedi's lack of proper reasoning.......

In the Legends continuity Annakin as a child used Force combustion to save Obi-Wan's life force combustion to the Jedi order is a dark side ability when it's actually neutral

I think that overall the jedi order has no choice but to allow certain abilities. If they didn't have access to some of them, then the light side could never really overcome the dark side in any meaningful way, with the dark side being completely unrestricted and the light side walking around with figurative lead weights strapped to them. You have to keep some kind of advantage or you could never win except in the most extreme of circumstances. But, overall, I think it's pretty much impossible to use only exclusively light side or dark side abilities and still be a balanced knight. I'm a much bigger proponent of the grey side philosophy of the force than either the light or dark. I don't think the force as a whole is as extremely duality focused as the jedi and the sith describe it to be. Power, in and of itself, is not good or bad, it depends on the person using it. Many powers of both the light and dark side can be used to do the opposite of what the original person who discovered it intended it for. The Jedi order can't completely ignore that fact, so, at least publicly, there are some dark side abilities that are still used in a "grey" area because they have uses that are not completely "dark".

If you're a jedi Fighting for your life DO WHAT MUST BE DONE is the way I see it !!

@stevesmith9617

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Nope. That's sith. Jedi teach it's better to die then use the dark. And they can afford this with 1000 Jedi. Sith however are only 2. They must survive any and everything. Only they can realy go all out

@hackman669

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Run and hide then become assassin. Hit the enemy where it hurts.

@djl5634

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@@stevesmith9617 no that's what later Jedi taught. Not early Jedi orders. Who I consider more force imbued.

@stevesmith9617

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@@djl5634 I'm going with what lady Lumia said to cadeus There's lots of Jedi.. they can afford to die for thier beliefs and or pride. Sith are 2. Get in, get out, no risk is best. Then again some Jedi are in certain times are very much ' the mission is all' types.

@TheAyanamiRei

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Yeah. Except it's EXTREMELY easy to fall to the Dark Side that way. Not only that, but VERY easy to end up doing something INCREDIBLY stupid often times. The Jedi did that in Episode 3 when it came to Palpatine and that SCREWED them! It was the Push that made Anakin Fall to the Dark Side and become Sith. Really it's more that Prequel Era Jedi were Hypocrites. "THESE Direct Violence Force Techniques = BAD! THIS Direct VIolence Force Technique GOOD! Oh but do NOT use The Force to DIRECTLY HARM another Sentient!" To say NOTHING of "We Serve the Corrupt Republic, but ALSO The Force!" Like Bro, you CANNOT serve The Force, while ALSO serving Corrupt Mortals.

"The Force is used or knowledge and defense. Never for attack" - Master Yoda training Luke on Dagobah. I think it would have been highly unlikely for the jedi to fight and defeat the Sith or any dark side user without any offensive abilities. Absolute rules generally work against those who live by them.

Yeah, the Jedi of the Republic shown in the movies were too ignorant. It's funny how they chastise lil' Ani for being afraid when they themselves let fear guide their actions in the prequels.

I mean force injure really is a light side ability, and in my opinion it’s light side in nature. In combat the Jedi are taught to disarm, that could mean taking the opponents light saber or cutting off a hand of a sith or a couple well placed cuts to immobilize an opponent. But never to kill an opponent. That’s essentially what force injure is, they are not killing the opponent the are immobilizing an opponent that is a threat to people and peace. That’s is what a peace keeper is. It’s a deterrent, similar to tear gas. It’s not going to kill someone but render them incapable of fighting or posing a threat. In my opinion it’s one of the most light side abilities there is. You are restraining yourself from easily killing an opponent by just injuring them so they can’t be a threat while also not killing them. I mean what does yoda think one of his force pushes is gonna do? That shit is gonna injure someone

The problem comes from RPGs/MMOGs more that the canon/legends canon. At one point Luke points out to a Dathomir witch that the problem is "all of the powers and none of them". It's the state of mine of the person using the power. However this is wholly subjective and can't be used effectively as a game rule. So the games came up with lists, with were "balanced for game play", and then the games were treated as canon. So we are left with game balance being applied in mays the original canon could never support. Mind Control is never a problem...except the games say it is. Force choke is not a problem either, except the games say it is. Not sure there is a fix, but as long as multi-layer games are used as canon for heroic stories there will always be big logical gaps.

Wow! This video is in line with a comment I made recently. Still a bit unfairly represented though. Many abilities are not Dark in their nature, it is how you use them. It is no more hypocritical for a Jedi to use the force to injure an opponent with a lightsaber than it is other abilities like force injury. It is the intent that is questionable. Yoda in his battle with Sidious used forced injury on the guards. It was an efficient way to remove them from the equation without killing them. Had he not done this, the guards would have surely attacked the Grandmaster and died for their efforts. Yoda used his abilities for compassion. That is the key. Force choke is the same as using the force to manipulate an object. It is the same exact ability taught in the Jedi order. It is much Darker to use it against a living thing than to destroy a Droid or displace a bomb. There is no need to be unfair with the Jedi. It is difficult to balance intent when it comes to battle. The Jedi simply try to error on the side of caution.

What about the Jedi mind trick when Anakin, Obi-wan, and Mace use it in unison against Cad Bane?

They do happen to carry around plasma blade and those can do more damage than most of these abilities

Yoda brought lightning down from the sky as a force ghost🤣

@toddkurzbard

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The "Sequels" (ESPECIALLY "The Last SJW Jedi") are not canon (that's CANON, not "CANNON").

Which side of the force would emerald lighting also phase be consider ?

Force whirlwind is a dark side ability that is used by Luke Skywalker in the Legends continuity and it is on par with force fire

Wasn't it the war throat was a product of the jedi's species and not a force power specifically?

Luke used Electric Judgement multiple time without being even close to tempted by the dark side. And his Jedi order used concealment all the time and never turned.

TIL talking to someone is a force ability and the second most controversial one.

1:29 the list actually starts.

In legends the Ithorians had the natural ability to weaponize their voice. There were accounts of non-force sensitive Ithorians weaponizing their voice to break glass, crack plastcrete and injure opponents. A force sensitive Ithorian with the proper training could magnify their natural ability. The Jedi Order before the rise of the Galactic Empire dealt in absolutism as the Sith did. I don't like the idea of force abilities being solely light or dark, it comes down to the individual's intentions. Force lightning and force wound could be used as a more humane way to incapacitate an opponent rather than cutting off a hand or an arm or a leg or other limb. Force heal could be used as a way to kill someone slowly by giving them cancer.

Force Crush...Mace Windu should've been chastised when he did that against General Grievous. If not stripped of his position on the council

This list is presumptive perhaps if you created a chart of s to f on abilities then showed what the code said in the jedi book and then a timeline on what the jedi believed with a venn diagram of abilities we might understand a fraction of what the jedi believe.

If the task is the will of the force and their are no other way to complete it other then to alter the world around you by creating great storms then it is not a problem. If it is the will of the force then one should do what they must to complete it but only if that Jedi is truly listening to the force.

I believe some of these or more contextual than just as black and white as ya make em out to be, such as force I jure....yes one should not use it but it is there as a back up....I feel how they are used plays a big part in their alignments as well as they were experiments from other jedi sub sects

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the bellow was unique to that Jedi masters species because of their multiple throats/mouths.

Alter environment with that Force ability you can turn a planet like Tatooine if you have enough Jedi that know the force ability

i would have to say that the overall doctrine is not what powers not to use, but not to use excessive force. Meaning, almost any power was acceptable if used only when needed and all factors are looked at. Take force injure for instance, your number 1, I need to disarm my opponent who is about to strike down my friend; I am too far away to use any lightsaber moves, and a force push or pull runs too high a risk of killing my friend. If i use force injure to break or hurt the arm of my opponent it can be exactly what i need to save my friend with minimal damage while adhering to the overall aspect of light. The main Taboo of it is that its unsportsmanlike. One thing i will call out, Jedi have a tendency to kill when its entirely avoidable by simply taking off a limb or two which can be replaced by droid parts...

What gam clips are displayed in this video?

In a way it's asking what would you do when the safety is off and there will be harm but will you cause death is the question?

I wish they would do a what if move series where Luke goes back in time somehow let's just say it's the force. Maybe he doesn't fully go back but his spirit is sent back into someone's body who recently died. Then this new mysterious thought dead sith or Jedi is now trying to prevent Anakin's fall while evading palpatine's suspicious nature. Then the throughout the movie a Anakin feels there is something strangely known to their force presence

Pretty sure that a force Push can deal a lot of dmg. It depends what you push and how strong 😅

Look in star wars Kotor 1 the Jedi give you a mission where you have to cleans the Grove they tell you that a Padawan struck his master and kill him , they lie his alive , and if you kill the Jedi in the Grove they reward you making you a Jedi and let you go afterwards.... Suspicious they are ... They tell you that Malek destroy the Jedi in Tatooine but the master vandar is alive you see him in the end when you go to the star forge . How did he escape the destruction and why he didn't warn the other Jedi

I wonder what elemental focused force abilities there are? You seemed to have listed a few but think you can list all of them potentially?

bruh, when i was play the old republic. there was a questline involving 2 people falling in love in the jedi order. I thought it was ok. so i mentioned to my master, they were brought into the council and striped of their jedi title and power and got exiled. i logged out of the game, made another character in the dark side immediately.

My favorite light side ability is force manslaughter. It comes in handy.

I find it funny that "trolling" is somehow this mystical force ability thay breaks the will of an opponent. 😂