Never thought I would see the Star Citizen, and Ashes Community coming together to cope!

@C.hrisis

14 күн бұрын

I thought most people had 2 tanks of copium, 1 for each game

@vilestine

14 күн бұрын

when you think about it, they fit together so well. the games are so vastly different that nobody is arguing which one is better and focuses on the development and copium

@StepCrow

13 күн бұрын

@@C.hrisis Yup, this is me.

@BlacksRaven

13 күн бұрын

that's like the ancient planet crash which created Earth and Lunar. Maybe that's a cosmologic sign. *cope*

@jebidyah

13 күн бұрын

Let's see a crossover, where you can fly to the system where AoC exists, land a starship in the riverlands...snatch up a caravan in your C2

A Star Cit player would be a "scam expert" lol

@HateKillDestroy87

13 күн бұрын

based take i know 😂😂

Narc, they're so disorganized because they're an indie studio. If you got to lay your eyes on the development pipeline of a studio operating at that kind of capacity it would melt your noggin. Remember Steven talking about sharing excel spreadsheets and talking about them every day, all that's corpo shit. There is such a mind boggling amount of planning involved in a game this big. Time, money, available devs, this dev can do that, this one can do this, but also that, this project is going to take 2 months, but actually takes 3 which doesn't allow this dev to continue on with his next project so we're swapping him over here which means we have to swap this guy over here. It's a fucking shit show and no studio gets it 100%, it's still being figured out and it's highly dynamic so there will always be problems. It nuts dude

@TheGood_Bro

6 күн бұрын

It's almost like there's an amount of work that's done when your creating anything no shit bro. And that's not the point no one cares because we all know it takes some kind of work but when your hiding behind the "oh but it's so much work" ya no shit don't make a game if your gonna complain about the work that goes into making the game. That just sounds beyond stupid.

Is this an AA meeting?

@dodoz44

13 күн бұрын

CA*

@SaltEMike

13 күн бұрын

Yes

@Thunk787

13 күн бұрын

Nah. People in AA can admit they have a problem.

@ratedxvn

13 күн бұрын

@@Thunk787 I mean if you watched the video they did admit they had a problem with their addiction to their individual games and that there are people in their communities that are worse than them....Also i'm sure there are people in AA meetings that don't ever admit to their problem...

@Sutex0sofar

13 күн бұрын

It's therapy for supporters.

I really like this discussion but there are so many frustrating things being said here. Some warranted, some hypocritical, some extremely perceptive, some ignorant as fuck.

@OmniDan26

13 күн бұрын

Elaborate, chud.

@zachshannon6989

12 күн бұрын

Completely agree. Some points are just for the sake of complaining too but a justifiable conversation regardless.

@seveneternal7988

12 күн бұрын

salty mike is indeed well known in the sc community for just wanting clicks and clickbait videos based on hypocritical nonsense and fake news again, just to gain clicks.

@j.d.4697

8 күн бұрын

That's what you get when compulsive whiners make videos. Even when they got some insight and make some good points, they can't help it but to turn around and poop their diapers over nonsense.

I thought the last 4 showcases were good 🤷‍♂️

@AuxxiliaryATC

10 күн бұрын

Not sure why narc and others go “how are they going to be able to host all these players, how is it that they won’t have lag, how does it all work?” . We get a server mesh technical stream explaining what they have been working on for years, and people say “I don’t fucking care mate” …wtf? You either do or don’t, I’m not sure why the videos have turned into complaining about everything all the time. Doomium is fine sometimes but Jesus Christ.

SaltEMike is not a scam expert, he is a copium connoisseur

This SaltE guy seems like a major COPIUM inhaler, I bet he'll get along well with Narc

@idn

13 күн бұрын

He's actually one of the more critical Star Citizen streamers -- but still he makes his living from a game that is not yet finished and might not reach v1.0 until 2026, which would mean 10 years of development in earnest.

@Insane-Saint

12 күн бұрын

@@idn well noone tryed this mmo scale ever before in that way of cause it takes long^^ im happy this actually happend, cause no normale dev studio would ever try something ambitious like Sc or AoC

With game development in mind, I wouldn’t worry if there’s only one biome. Biomes are a big art investment, and not as much a game dev investment. It makes more sense to focus on getting mechanics working with one biome to function as a toy box.

@StepCrow

13 күн бұрын

Might just be copium, but this is how every game dev company I’ve worked for has operated.

@onyx4469

13 күн бұрын

I don't understand why they think the alpha 1 map was scrapped? like wtf is the thought process that would make no fking sense to scrap a yr worth of work

@StepCrow

12 күн бұрын

@@onyx4469 I’m not sure. On one hand, I’ve seen game companies throw away tons of work for arbitrary reasons. On the other hand, yes it would be really stupid to just throw away all that work.

@actually5004

4 күн бұрын

@@StepCrow A "sandbox" like that won't work past a certain point with a game like ashes because how the nodes evolve over time is a core mechanic. A car company can't test aerodynamics until the body work is on the car.

So many of the things narc says in this video is completely made up. Like saying they haven't started on node progression past the village stage. It might be true, but he has 0 idea if it is or not. Really disappointing

Am I alone in actually enjoying the technical and game design dev updates? Also, we have been getting MOSTLY gameplay updates the past few months (which were bangers), the recent server meshing one was the only one that was a powerpoint again...

@vrdynasty3896

13 күн бұрын

Yeah I dont think its that bad either? The weakest showcase was probably the lighting update and even then, the environment, npcs and biome was absolutely beautiful

@Turgal_

13 күн бұрын

AOC should just stop posting dev update as From What narc and his " Scam expert" are saying Adding leaves in the game is just numbers and they don't do anything sitting behind there chair , Narc is not worth beeing a CC for this game . as for His "scam expert" his game got 800 milj pumped in and 15 years later not even a Date on a beta release ....

@OGParzoval

13 күн бұрын

Streamers have a cycle. They usually hype up, followed by crusing on the normal content, but then see flagging numbers so they go straight into a vicious cycle before something happens in the game and they restart the cycle over.

@cameronanderson6027

13 күн бұрын

I'm really drawn to tech showcases in games, almost as much as gameplay showcases. Coming from an IT background, I appreciate how these events highlight the technical prowess behind the games we love. It's like getting a backstage pass to see the craftsmanship that goes into creating deeply engaging gaming experiences

@TheJQuon

13 күн бұрын

I think the server meshing updates are extremely important (I think @SaltEMike actually thinks so as well)... I'm pretty sure the game developer videos he was actually talking about were the one SC has been doing lately about showing how the concept art so they had an hour and a half long video where they drew a 3d art rendition of a guy on a space bike with a dog driving the bike. It was painful.

One thing is for sure we are weeks from finding out bois.

35:00 i thought they said more than once that they will do wipes in alpha alot. maybe i misremembered. great video as always

@vrdynasty3896

13 күн бұрын

I also remember that.

@alfanan123

13 күн бұрын

They did, however. They also said that they would "prefer" to wipe as little as possible. But they WILL happen. That is what remember.

As someone who really likes when devs talk about game dev stuff on their dev streams... I thought that the recent server meshing video was really cool. They were talking and introducing a technology that's probably going to be foundational of future mmos. And, as someone who has been following the dev journey of some games for almost a decade at this point (exanima, zomboid...), sometimes the devs will realize that they need some major piece of tech that it's not actually developed yet, and everything they want to do is heavily dependent on it, so they have to stop everything and focus on it. And it's not like they didn't know such tech was going to be needed, it's just that they weren't at the point where they had to develop it. And that's what they had to show for themselves this time: a massive update on a background tech that's probably going to be the foundation of their whole game going forward. It's not the most exciting stuff for the casual gamer, but, the casual gamer is also unlikely to watch the 2 hours dev stream anyway. So they're making that showcase for the most avid and interested viewers.

"Ashes is in such a dip right now" Lmao, what?

@Grux_ASG

13 күн бұрын

*inhales copium* We are in a golden age! I love playing the game!

@dimitraeon6876

13 күн бұрын

@Grux_ASG Yeah that's totally what I said lol. It's almost like you spergs, Narc included, can't just casually appreciate the development of a game without hinging their mental sanity on its success. My point was that it's such a weird take to say "Ashes is in such a dip right now" when most people would probably recognize the strides they've made over the years. I think ret ards like Narc and his audience have a porn-addled mentality where they NEED to see everything immediately in full frontal glory otherwise they click next. That and Narc is down bad for growth so he's probably controversy farming lol.

@Arthur-1337

13 күн бұрын

Post Alpha-2 Anxiety

Second monitor content huh? :Josh Strife Hayes: has entered the chat

holy shit I dont believe I actually watch the whole video at once I must be high as fuck on copium good lord

3hrs? this video is only an hour and a half! scam! scamed again

6 years of alpha 2 is an absolutely WILD take.

@lucketvids

13 күн бұрын

WoW took 5 years to develop. This game switched engines and survived covid.. so give them a couple extra years to bake.

@iriya3227

13 күн бұрын

@@lucketvids lol in their original timeline in 2017 they mentioned game was out by 2019!! All we got was a battle royale that was half-baked...

@tygoro

12 күн бұрын

@@lucketvids dont forget wow launched in 2005, comparatively ashes alpha standards are equivalent to retail wow polishing

@DxBlack

11 күн бұрын

Ssssshhhhhh...let the haters chew rocks. These games are nearly 10 years in dev, but at least they aren't Hytale, which is also nearly as old in dev but shouldn't have been because it's a frickin block game and hasn't reinvented the wheel.

@biadhoce

7 күн бұрын

@@iriya3227 But why be mad about that? The scope changed, the systems they have showcased all look better than what we all imagined.

My guess is the reason that Beta servers is different than Alpha servers because then everyone will have to go through the beginning content again on the Beta servers (i.e. fresh start).

@chaoko954

13 күн бұрын

That is correct. I believe the graph that narc is referring to in his description is actually a graph of character progression and not actually related to the servers at all.

Lmfao, why you gotta do Fantmx like that bruh He was just coped out of his wazoo

Narc seems to want to treat Alpha 2 like a launch, but its not. It does not matter what content is or isnt in the Alpha, because 90% of their launch playerbase isnt following the development. As long as the game is good at launch, they will be fine.

@Shoelid

13 күн бұрын

It sounds like they're reopening A2 keys though. and if they keep them open, and continually add content to the game... we're basically going into a typical early access steam MMO launch. Full launch is still important, but you're downplaying the importance of A2 launch.

@LurnWell

9 күн бұрын

It's been 8 years....Can't blame him

Was that dead on Arrival quote a reference to the GW2 guild DOA ?

My expectation for Alpha 2 is: "We will show you the mechanicsi, but we won't show you everything because we want everyone on the same playing field upon release."

Oh boy it's my two favorite content creators making videos about my two favorite games that literally does not exist. I really have been dreaming about the day you two talk it out about these games and you know the algorithm works when this video is at the top of my feed.

I don't know what doesn't make sense. It was clearly stated many many moons ago that Alpha 2 would be a permanent test server ( this is something a lot of games have which they use to test new updates before applying them to a live server ). So, if you're confused as to why the beta servers will be separate from the A2 PTS, than I'm not sure what to tell you. Not that it matters since the beta phases wont be that long anyways

Narc is honestly such a Dunning-Kruger effect stereotype....

@TheToledoTrumpton

14 күн бұрын

I do think that AoC won't be a good game for streamers and content creators, which may be a greater concern to them. The whole structure of the game, is going to make it far more fun to participate in, than to watch. And as you rightly say, they need to be a lot smarter to comment on a game this complex. I have 25 years in banking IT, and have been playing and creating board games and computer games all my life, since I bought a commodore64 in 1979, so I have a pretty good idea of games, software development, computer infrastructure and economics. Most of what they are saying is complete bollocks.

@MrMalkraz

14 күн бұрын

@@TheToledoTrumpton whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing of substance

@OmniDan26

14 күн бұрын

@@MrMalkraz true sister. Speak your truth!

@joshuawyatt4737

13 күн бұрын

What I love about the dunning Kruger effect is that most people who quote it don't actually understand it, making it a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

@TheToledoTrumpton

13 күн бұрын

@@MrMalkraz Well, I really don't have to dance for you, but specifically: 1. Pre-alpha 2 width of development does not contribute to progress. So how many biomes have been completed for the Alpha 2 is not relevant. 2. If they are at the point where they are designing infrastructure and performance they are pretty much ready for Alpha 2. You don't design hardware until you know what the requirements of the software are. 3. The economy in AoC is going to be nothing like New World, because as a node levels up, lower level mats can be made scarce or be used for different purposes. For example the copper used for bronze weapons at node level 1, can be made scarcer and can be used to put on ships to make them faster and cheaper to maintain, at node level 4. Either way you have far more control over the economy than you would have in a static world. And about 30 other things I could point out.

Maybe they don't want to reveal too many biomes in detail?

Please have Mike on again. What a great conversation!

Holy shit dude, that comment about the "subconscious P2W" has got to be the most 5headed galaxy brain based fucking take I've ever heard. I love it.

@j.d.4697

8 күн бұрын

Judging by your comment you got an IQ of 50, so...

Cant believe that 2 of my favorite content creators under rated by their faith in games made of copium are together. love it

Really liked the "real context" of situations from various topics

I think this speculation that just because they haven't showed it means it doesn't exist is false. This may be true for SC who shows things they dont even have yet, I think Steven and AoC often keep things close to the chest, like server meshing coming out of nowhere, without hyping it for years before even having a test of it. I think A2 will have plenty of surprises for players...

@rjswas

11 күн бұрын

Well they have said a couple of times now that we have only seen something like 10 or 20% of what has actually been done, as they don't want to give too much away, but it seems people went deaf when that was said.

Hahahaa @SaltEMike "I was in Germany at the time, I was one of the dumb as$es in the crowd yelling and screaming about how cool this is, not knowing that this was going to ruin my f@cking life". That sh!t cracked me up 😂

Na I'm good, shoulda kept this one in the drafts. The desert comparison is....a bit much. Just because you can do it doesn't make the argument valid.

So cool seeing you both talk about our copium games. NGL, gameplay is king! But… that tree cutting demo was sick af 😅

The last thing I will say if all three devs Ashes of Creation, the New Dune game and Star Citizen Server meshing teams dont come together and share what they have learned well that will be a big mistake as they could make it better than each one team can.

Really like the longer videos. Good job dude!

1 biome = proof of concept, easy to expand on (change textures and shaders, diff weather). Not every one is going to care about node stuff, casuals especially dont care about that nonsense they just want to lvl up and do quests. UI does not need polished in an alpha its literally place holder, in fact a lot of assets are considered place holders in an alpha game state. Star Citizen is known as being vapourware because they sell ships at silly prices for a game that is just a shell, that is not even relatable to AoC. I have been taking part in alphas and betas for 20 years and everything AoC are doing is considered more or less normal other than the fact a shareholder or a publisher is not forcing them to launch earlier than the intended development road plan.

@arnaudkaho7137

13 күн бұрын

Seems like you never ever made a game, not even starting. When you hold 150 people on your company, you don't put them on "temporary work", everything has to be designed and prototyped before the actual production start. Now that stupid word "Alpha" in reality means exactly = "Post tech demo playable version". Basically once all basic systems are coded, put together and in case of mmo, AFTER server/client network testing. So you should have ~30% of the game by that time, all things considered. 1 biome and what ? making another level is not about changing textures and shaders lol, it's a new level prototyping, new assets, new sounds, new quests and text content, optimization, server optimization, sync rework... etc etc, and guess what, it should be planned from the beginning. UI should be already designed and prototyped before starting production (so think 1 or 2 years BEFORE even hiring programmers). It's not a joke to design cross-platform UIs. Know one thing, if a video game company can attract investors up to millions of dollars, that mean they have all the design already done. It's very simple, no design doc ? no investors.

@pipz420

13 күн бұрын

​@@arnaudkaho7137would love to learn more lol

@VerraNewsNetwork

13 күн бұрын

cope

@666evo666

13 күн бұрын

@@VerraNewsNetwork NPC

Are those stacks of books in the background?

@herobrine024

10 күн бұрын

.... Sure.

The title of this video has me in stitches! You know, the same material keeping SC patches together.

Can you do these regularly every time new patches come out for these games? We need these conversations to exist as much as possible, not just because it's really fun/intereating to listen to but also because it helps keep all of us copium addicts grounded. See if Saltemike would be down for that. I see these epiaodes as like a "state of the game" type of thing.

This interview sounds like a Therapie session for Narc

The Collab I didn't know I needed to watch ! 👌

All the wild speculations while 3 months of waiting are all it takes to find out whether this project is ready for the graveyard, joining the corpo freak show or still on its way to being a good game.

@mucool328

13 күн бұрын

More than Wild Speculations, this was a Coping video where both of them were healing by sharing their concerns about each other's game.

The most real quote ever, "this is like a therapy session for you... I've been there bro." A fundamentally workable thing is not really something I want to see. I'm happily satisfied with the chicken dance and the night sky. These monthly updates are, for me, just something I can watch that keeps me interested so I don't forget intrepid exists. I don't care that they have gone quiet, please do, go focus on the game, stop talking to me, but when you come back to talk, and you have something to talk about, I'll be here ready.

Gamedev here, big inovating projects in video games industry are no different than any startup. It has a major chance of failure, especially when we talk about network games like mmo. Is it a scam ? No, people work on the game everyday. Will they finish the game ? It depends on talent, design and financials. No devs in the world will work on a project "for passion", keep that for kids, or indies on their first game. You dislike those facts ? Then you have the wrong hobby.

@BlackJustice2637

13 күн бұрын

2 of the best games released recently, Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring absolutely had passion as a driving force. It's part of why they turned out so well. Larian Studios even stopped working on the DLC for the game because they didn't have passion for what they were doing and didn't feel that it would meet their standards. Big innovative projects are risky, but to say that passion is a deciding factor reserved for children and naive indies is simply untrue

@Billy-bc8pk

13 күн бұрын

@@BlackJustice2637 Baldur's Gate 3 still was rushed out without its proper ending. So no, passion was not the deciding factor, finances were. They needed post-launch update to add the intended missing pieces of the third act.

@BlackJustice2637

12 күн бұрын

@Billy-bc8pk A deciding factor. Not the deciding factor. From a company that famously gives free upgrades to the definitive edition of the game to those who bought it earlier. Where in my comment did I say that money was irrelevant?

Is it just me or does he seem extremely agro in this more than usual?

I envision 4 races at the start of Alpha 2. These are the two human races (riverlands/desert) and two dwarf races (tropics/mountains). The other 4 races start on the eastern continent and will be introduced later.

@TheToledoTrumpton

14 күн бұрын

It is only data. There is no point in creating too much data before they have tested the framework it hangs on, that will slow them down if there are bugs in the engine. You guys keep on complaining that they are slow, but as soon as they try to get to Alpha2 faster, you complain. Any more than 3 of anything is a time risk, and often you can get by with 2. Test it and then there is a lot of fast copy/paste/inheritance, because you know it will work.

For the balance part are skills in an mmo that much different than moba games? To me it seems like they're similar, or am I wrong in this?

@arnaudkaho7137

13 күн бұрын

It depends on the complexity, in a MOBA it's just about in-game items interacting with row skills numbers. In a modern mmo you would multiply that by player gear, qualities, enchantments, runes... whatever. Comparing a MOBA to an MMO is like comparing Bowling and Formula One.

@cosm0850

13 күн бұрын

Not to mention building your character on a moba takes between 30 minutes to 1 hour. MMOs have the end-game progression to worry about whereas MOBAs endgame is 20 minutes of teamfights

@hellodivathisislance8373

13 күн бұрын

​@@arnaudkaho7137 I still think it's similar. Gear can be compared to items, qualities can be compared to like t3 to full completed items, enchantments and runes other such things are simply like the runes in lol, emblems in mlbb, and arcana in hok.

@hellodivathisislance8373

13 күн бұрын

​@@cosm0850I kinda don't get this. Can you explain what you are trying to say? Im dumb

Welcome to the copium addiction meeting

Narc is basically SaltEMike in a few years.

I remember the tree!! - Thank you SaltEMike, Narc go back to making good videos!

After you see the left camera few pixels smaller you cant unsean it, sorry :-X

Alpha Testing is used for experimental debugging and Beta Test is the almost stable edition of Alpha Test.

It will be interesting to see how environmentally ravaged the nodes in the river lands will be if they overload them. The consequences of over farming will be interesting to see if they are implemented on launch

For me the biggest thing WoW had going for it at launch was that the world felt truly massive, fully fleshed out, teeming with life and interesting things to discover. It wasn't until Cataclysm that I felt I'd had my fill of Azeroth. If this game doesn't launch with a similarly fully realized world I agree with Narc, its dead on arrival.

love the long style vid should make more this long

Narc you need to stop ... I do actualy think you are hurting your content. When you look at "the space tomato" to learn about server meshing, you did realise that your content has a path to grown up. But you still actualy farming the same sh*t again and again, clickbait after clickbait When there is much much more quality subject to talk about AoC. Now it's been 6 videos, you decide for some random reason to "farm" view by clashing 2 community. This is not what I want from you. You have the right to do some much more quality driven content and deep dive into lore, classes, system, gameplay, ect ... You don't need to be hard stuck as the "copium lord", juste try new things more complexe, more visualy elaborated, ... For exemple, even if the subject of this video is not that great on my opinion, I would have watch a "resume" of your discution with SaltEMike where you go over your thinking when chating with him, with more elaborat thought. You need to realise that you are in competition with other video avaible on the platform, It only take 1 click to find something else to watch and I don't think you are in a good enough position for you name to be able to retaine people from switching, you are not asmongold...

@LurnWell

9 күн бұрын

Narc helped me discover AOC..And if your idea of content means agreeing on everything, then perhaps the coverage overall is flawed.

I think they have a lot of this stuff mostly finished and just haven't shown it yet. For example, all the classes and races will probley be revealed for the new character creation video. Or the desert... just because it hasn't been shown, it could be kept quit for other reasons.

One economic node on each continent would make sense to defend

Hahaha 🤣 the "chicken dance" part of your guys convo cracked me the f up. Haha "am i a clown" lol. Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas" instantly popped into my head "am i a clown? Do i ammuse you??" f@cken chicken dance lol. I saw it on a video and was like wtf

Storytelling and content must exist to set the tone. Warhammer is like a sandbox game but the storyline and lore set the tone to the miniature game

I'm really enjoying your arc. From the very start, defending the scam, inhaling copium, and now having doubts. Can't wait when in 2-3 years you make the final AoC video saying you were all scammed. xD

Star citizens "Events" are like a car show room that opens up in game with their ships on display. You're then "Allowed" to buy their "limited" ships for "limited time only" (these events happen all the time)..... (major FOMO) Haven't seen anything like that from ashes. .....yet.

If AoC A2 consists only of the Riverlands, that will be a major failure in my opinion.

I can't believe people are paying 2500 dollars for an early access MMO with almost no one in it and no content.

I played a Dwarf in Alpha 1, so that was definitely in.

I feel like I lost braincells trying to listen to this brain trust. I keep wondering when their game came out. 🤷

while i can understand the logic of it taking so long, i think steven said that they focused on building systems that let them implement all the stuff so far. Like the server meshing. I dont think they hand craft every node. They build a system that builds nodes for them. so i think A2 will last maybe 1 -1,5 years. Beta another 0,5 year. Then launch. On the playerbase per server i think 5k will be their goal. If 10k players per server is the goal, then 5k for A2 to test 1 continent would be logical. No word if Castles will be in early A2. We did see them in showcases.

They have already stated they going to balance 5vs5 groups and none 1vs1. Since that will be really difficult to test and verify in practice they will get away with the imbalance question!

Oh I dont like the title of this video, lets get into it then.

I hope CIG never finish inserting things into Starcitizen when it goes 1.0

Can't they just limit the size of guilds?

Ashes of creation is way easier to code when it comes to a server meshing solution, since it is only on a 2D plane with borders, and if they succeed it will become a REAL MMO too. Starcitizen is totally another beast where the game is seamless without borders and in true 4D space. What many people here doesn't seem to know is how Nova Quark and their Dual Universe indeed has working server meshing on the Unigine 2 engine, but sadly the developers fudged their project and it's at a standstill. They also have the most promising tech when it comes to voxels. I hope CIG buys out Nova Quark and implement their voxel tech in their Starcitizen v2 in the future.

Do guilds really do that?

Point of clarification: Ragnarok Online when it debuted was BETA for several years. There were two international BETA servers. All while having an ongoing ALPHA test server that would be wiped more frequently, until the final game eventually shipped. It's not a new concept, we've seen this before. Will add that the BETA serves eventually turned into the official serves maintaining much of players progress & content minus a few pre-established things that was no shock to the community. I think people need to stop bringing their past trauma from other games over to new communities. It actually ends up being more toxic than anything.

I agree about little grey npcs running around do things is better than how things look. But! Most people care how things look.

Wow. Thought I was one of the few when I stopped watching AoC's livestreams like 1 year ago. I only watch Narc for the most important stuff and then a bit of copium from the other videos, even tho I am an Alpha2 member and realy hyped about the start of A2. Plus not watching the livestreams makes my first experience more enjoyable and full of wonder about the progress.

And the reason PVP games die so fast as people get sick and tired of the cheaters and the griefers

Where's the other 1 hour and 32 minutes Narc? Huh Narc? Where is the other 1 hour and 32 minutes??

I doubt every one of the 85 nodes will have players. Half the nodes will probably see mainly players moving through it, not "intense questing" and as such the node will effectively be wilderness

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I dont hate that idea. It would be like living in the countryside with only small settlements and a handful of Freeholds.

Damn Alpha 2 for 6 years!!! You are killing me

This was great! You guys asked yourselves all of the right questions. It does set a pretty gloom vibe, as it makes you realize that it is true that they have been vague and maybe even misleading, but at the same time it sets reasonable expectations for A2.

Ultimate is peak nostalgia

damn narc is kinda right if u look it that way game is in development for 3 only years.. since they upgraded to unreal 5.. they had to do everything again only ideas stayed.. but i still think A2 wont be for 6 years or even close.. biomes and filling those biomes is least of an problem systems like this server meshing is what takes the most time and core gameplay systems..im guessing 2027 or early 2028 is when game gets fully released naval content is what could also take some time

thanks for this. i got to learn a lot about both games and stopped following ashes a long time ago

@4:50 hopefully intrepid devs will have an eye around in the game and notice if there is strange behavior, if they see something strange they culd watch the involved players without them noticing and nerf eventual exploits etc.

They should absolutely not sell more alpha 2 keys

I also think you need Human Dungeon Masters able to put in events and changing things to make it interesting and to trip people up. I see that happening in Pax Dei the encomony collapsing.

figuring out population density is literally the biggest challenge MMOs have. Make it good when its crowded and not so crowded....it needs to feel good during peak hours and off peak hours.....or 6 months after launch and half of the pop is no longer logging in. If they solve this problem, everything else is easy. Having a world that adjusts and grows organically with nodes should definitely help, meaning if certain areas lose pop or become abandoned, maybe the world swallows them back up and it organically evolves, rather than just leaving ghost towns behind.

I feel like I have faith in Intrepid now unless either: 1. Alpha 2 is complete dog shit, or 2. Alpha 2 doesn't come out this year. Until one of these happen I still believe in the project. Either way, I will have the answer by the end of the year.

Love Mike. He does amazing SC content. This is a collab I never would have expected in my entire life. Good shit narc.

@9:10 secs Narc is about to blow a jugular haha

I'm not gonna lie , I was baited by Narc's troll titles and pinned comments . I thought he was someone he wasn't. But now watching him with SaltE .. i realize he is just another SaltE but with a sense of humor . I like him way more now

my cope is that ashes is keeping everything quiet so people cant make meta guides and videos so people can still have fun in the game

There was indeed some stupid math going on in there.. xD @Narc, you do have a point that claiming to always build a foundation doesn't really fly. But not accepting that there is some acceleration in development once you've done a first example of a category of a thing seems rather bizarre. Of course building the tech + art pipeline + content pipeline is much harder and slower than just pushing more art and content through an existing pipeline!

@saltEmike 100% hear you on "they sell you on the idea of what the game could be"... With vagueness etc... but at the end of the day, it ain't that yet... And it may never be what we want it to be... Also, there seems to be groups of the community who each want a different thing for the game (let alone each individual player having a different idea of what it "could" be). Kinda like the PVPer vs PVEer dynamics which may (will) be difficult for the developers to reconcile. Anyways... I'm still here, inhaling the copium; but I appreciate your guys more "constructively criticize" sort of approach at following these projects. I've only recently discovered Ashes (SC for a little while... Only a year still though) - same to @Narc thanks guys 👍🏻

Aye mate, I like this kind of longer form content, PERFECT 2nd monitor vibe!

Warhammer online was a really fun pvp game. It was zergy, it was badly optimised, couldn't handle large scale pvp, which was its whole gimmick. I just hope they make the game fun and not have a million quests to get fun things.