Exploring Trajan's Forum in Rome
A new reconstruction (anastylosis) of the second story colonnade of the Basilica Ulpia in the Forum of Trajan.
0:00 Introduction
0:21 Anastylosis
0:32 Pre-reconstruction, the two orders of reconstructed columns in the Basilica Ulpia
2:07 Examples of reconstructed monuments in Rome
5:05 Reconstructed Library of Celsus (Ephesus)
5:34 Setting of the Basilica Ulpia
6:39 The reconstruction project of the second story
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I'm a builder engineer and have always wanted to see this happen despite objections from archaeologists. We learn a lot from re-construction. I completely disagree with those who claim it would confuse future archeologists, it will be very clear to identify the new and the original..👏🤞
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
These projects are pretty standard, going on all over the world. The trick is to do it well. Not every project is "successful" but the idea is a good one, to give people a sense of the scale and volume of the structures- when it's possible (enough pieces are left!).
@nancytestani1470
Жыл бұрын
And people can visualize what it could look like, ..
@paulkearney4565
Жыл бұрын
@@nancytestani1470 I think you're missing the point Nancy, people wouldn't have to visualise, that's the point..
This channel is a gem for Ancient Romans like me!
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
How I so wish I could have seen Imperial Rome itself in it's " Imperial " glory!!! Sad how it's just fragmentary, but still retains some of it's majesty. Viva Roma!! Viva Italia!!!
I would love to go to Rome and walk into a pegan temple, completely reconstructed using the original materials as much as they could complete with all the decorations and smells and extravagance and statues, and everything that would be in there 2000 years ago!!!!
@fredyair1
Жыл бұрын
Visiting the Pantheon is as close as it gets. Constructed 1900 years ago, still standing as it if it was constructed yesterday.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Yes Pantheon is the way to go… also many sites in the Forum
Dude i am very impressed about your passion for archeological sites and the way you teach, as if you are in a classroom. Really happy to stumble on your channel!
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it! It's a whole team effort!
@user-py7wp6nw9h
Жыл бұрын
@@AncientRomeLive I know what it takes..I am a damn HWood editor. Your stuff is better that half the crap I do. ha!
Excellent Darius, all this new developments makes the idea of coming back to Rome more exciting.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
So true - always something new going on in Ancient Rome
So interesting! I walked past this just recently and had no idea what the scaffolding was aiming to achieve
I am always fine with reconstruction if it is done well, it is a form of continuity for the building and for future generations to see the greatness of what it was, I hope they continue the architrave with the other columns and complete the floors to give a better compression of the space.
I thnk you are the best Swimmer in ancient Rome in details.
I really like this rebuilding effort. I look forward to seeing what you create. I have trouble visualizing what Ancient Rome looked like. This is a great idea.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks
I love the idea of doing restoration. So long as it is as reversible as possible, I would suggest they rebuild as much as possible.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment!
Fantastic. I imagine as these projects unfold they are preceded by great and detailed investigation into the likely original appearances. If it takes 200 years of resurrection and restoration it would be worth it. Im quite sure most of the modern world doesn't come close to comprehending the visual glory of the Ancient city in Trajan's time. There have been some really stunning virtual reconstructions created for us and publicized on KZread. One of the most stunning favorites of mine would be the Bathes Of Caracalla. It would be amazing if we could have created for us ,software that represents the complete city of Rome that is constantly updated and edited as the city is restored and we learn more. That would be money I would gratefully spend. Imagine taking a visual walk through the ancient city as you walk into the libraries, Bathes, Forums, Gymnasiums and Temples, in which you are in complete virtual control. Hopefully the funding for these resurrections to a certain degree will be there in the near future in a way that Italy will make itself proud of its deeper history, where politics and religion don't stunt these worth while projects. Imagine a restoration every 10 years or so. Imagine what could be witnessed by generations 200 years from now. And just remember . Although it was so many destructive forces that pulled Rome towards the ground ,while successive generations pillaged and quarried off chunks of splendor in the past, destruction always has its ever willing contributors that stand outside her gates even today. I used to wonder how so many of these glorious monuments could just lay in ruins like they do . But seeing what we have been seeing in the last 10 years or so I no longer wonder. The West needs to buckle in hard and with pride. If we are to be expected to accommodate guest and new citizens we have the right to make demands of respect of both our Laws, Cultures, and historical identifications. Backed by Both Govt and the militant assertiveness to support that demand, perhaps it is possible. That being said, it suddenly reminds me of what level of unity and strength these civilizations required to be able to both maintain , if not deserve such glory and splendor. And to say that this is just brick and stone and blah blah blah I say such antagonists are really missing something in their thinking. Reflections of the peoples will to take such pride in themselves is valuable. The barking of the dogs can be tolerated but shouldn't be celebrated.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the virtual models have been stunning, especially those painstakingly researched- just see J. Packer's Basilica Ulpia and Roman Forum books, for example. The best ones aren't just what look good but are those properly and thoroughly researched. As much as we like the non-invasive work, it's hard to beat the reconstruction (properly done!).
I love this. Wish they would choose one major bldg and do the whole thing. Maybe one of the buildings in the forum or even one of the domus’s up on the Palatine Hill
Very interesting, great video! Thank you
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wonderful incredibly interesting video as always on this channel! 👍😍 Respect to the author! 🏆 Thanks for sharing! 🤝
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
Can't wait to see the progress when I'm there in July.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
How exciting! Do you know when they expect to complete the Basilica Ulpia project?
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
They are just taking off the scaffolding. Pretty soon!
One day my dream will come true, Visit Italy ❤❤
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
I hope so too!
@etaalso-charles9417
Жыл бұрын
Keep the dream alive. I nearly gave up, but I have been here now for 4 months. It’s beautiful.
@Indexfinger27
Жыл бұрын
I feel the same. I'd love to visit Italy, but my financial situation won't allow it. I love classical history, I can't get enough of it.
Thank you.
thank you for this! as always, great job!
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
I learned a new word today!
Wonderful!
Just discovered channel love it! Subscribed and 👍
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
This is so cool, amazing…keep going..
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
thank you!
WONDERFUL! Better all the time - music was fine!
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We appreciate it. Please check out our latest on the Colosseum games.
Fantastic! Thank you.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
I'm for it, as long as it is historically accurate, which can be an iffy question with low data. But this does convey the sheer magnitude of Rome much better than when it's scattered on the ground. The forums used to be this flat stuff with weird paving, this shows how huge these buildings were and how many there were.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Reconstruction is always a tricky business for public and conservation issues.
While I have seen many of these Italian reconstructed antiquities, but wish today archaeologists could put a modern, neutral environmental impact, to cover the brick or plaster blank gaps, or at least disguised for a fuller emotional and inspirational overall impact for students and tourists alike
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
It's a delicate balancing act. Hard to please everyone.
love to go to Rome
Thank you, thank you, thank you Darius for showing this. More anastylosis, pls, more since none other does it on KZread. (Could u also do a vid on what Via Fori Imperiali buried and what is in the offing now to remove it, plsssss)
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
On the list! Thank you!
@TWOCOWS1
Жыл бұрын
@@AncientRomeLive Thanks. but I cant find it on the "Playlist". What is the name of it. then I can search it.
Thanks for having the bravery to give credit where credit's due: - > to the Fascists and the good they did with regard to those ancient monuments. I just discovered your channel and it's a fresh breath ! Thank you.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Rome has had so many interventions and moments of discovery and preservation. A lot happened under Mussolini: new roads and many monuments revealed- often with the creation of new archaeological parks and zones.
Excellent video, I love respectful restorations and reconstructions, you can get easily the idea of the grandeur of these buildings on site. Do you know which was the tallest building ever built by the Romans? I wonder if at some time in their history there was some sort of competition between cities, rich patricians or distingished engineers to rise a building higherr than the others.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! There are some sections of the Palatine palace that were over 70 meters, according to some estimates. The Pharos - lighthouse - of Portus May have been 100 or more meters tall!
@carleslazaro6117
Жыл бұрын
@@AncientRomeLive Amazing! Thanks for your answer.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
@@carleslazaro6117 You are welcome!
@mmcc85
Жыл бұрын
When finished the rebuilding?
Just going to confuse archeologist 2000 years from now.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
😂
@spankflaps1365
Жыл бұрын
Much of the Great Wall of China was rebuilt like this with new bricks in the 1980s.
@paulkearney4565
Жыл бұрын
Nonsense, we will learn so much from re-construction and it makes history much more interesting and will help financially..
@markschuler1511
Жыл бұрын
I love your optimism that the human race will even still exist.
I just thought of how when the Forum fell into decline and disrepair it must have been tremendously dangerous. The risk would discourage people from doing repairs and once water ingress begins…😢
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
A good book that examines Rome as it deteriorated is by Hendrick Dey. A new profile of the city of Rome.
@marial8235
Жыл бұрын
@@AncientRomeLive Thanks Darious
Would it be possible to include the year(s) that restoration took place? How much damage was done during WW II and Co2 emissions?
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
The project highlighted took place in 2022-2023.
Did I just completely overlook the scaffolding a couple months ago, or did they complete the project very quickly?
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
The project - with first scaffolding up- started at the end of January, 2022.
Following up on the subject of "anastylosis. Why does the temple behind the Portico d`Ottavia (in the old Jewish Quarter) look as though the builders simply grab whatever random pieces they could find to reconstruct the pediment? It looks like there is even a partial column sitting horizontally as part of the reconstruction. Would love to know the story behind that reconstruction.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a great Severan-age reconstruction, after a fire. The random pieces of column and whatnot on the top portions would have been hidden from view because of the ceiling (now missing). But that column is a great example of how marble was being reused, even in antiquity.
Library of Celsus is great, the others not really they linda look bad. Its interesting how very few restorations look good after a few years but the original ones still look good in their original form
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
It's a tricky subject - you are right!
The host speaks with passion, clarity and subject knowledge of a Michelin star chef displaying his latest masterpiece. These videos are his version of delicious. My only negative, albeit nitpicking really, is his face blocks out half the view. Granted he's a handsome devil, but I rather see the ruins.
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Noted. We love having our director present and on site in our videos - as he's a knowledgeable archaeologist PhD- and have had a long career on hosting TV shows on various channels. We'll stick with him. For his own adventures go to @dariusarius for future re-launch of his travels throughout the Mediterranean.
I just hope it doesn’t topple from an earthquake
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Earthquakes aren’t a huge worry, historically… that said, ancient monuments have been retrofitted. This new project should have had the same treatment.
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Forgive me for the silly question. Is this building going to be fully rebuilt or is it just the columns that are getting put up?
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Just those columns.
Sir,, is there anything preserved from roman republic? (apart from curia iulia)
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Ostensibly less visible or less preserved, you can still see, for example, the temples of Largo Argentina (we have videos on them). Forum Holitorium temples, S. Omobono temples, and Temple of Portunus and Temple of Hercules in the Forum Boarium. We have videos on all- also indexed at ancientromelive.org
@ckdanekfan3397
Жыл бұрын
@@AncientRomeLive and kingdom?
@ezzovonachalm9815
Жыл бұрын
Alas ! The roman republic was never inspired by the sense of grandeur and excellency the Empire had and, fortunately, has left nothing more than the temples cited here in the comment by Ancient Rome.
Trigger’s broom
I would actually prefere complete reconstruction utilising new marble and new granite but differentiating it by incorporating the ancient pieces (or even if the ancient pieces were not to be incorporated i would support this) because if we know with 90% certainity that a building looked a certain way, I wholeheartedly support it be reconstructed (if it is a valluable piece of cultural history offcourse, no point in reconstructing brutalist architecture) and in a way there are in fact better examples than even these when the city of Ypres was completely shelled out of existence it was allmost completely restored to it's original state, simply look at before and after pictures of the cloth hall and one can see that it is perfectly possible to go above and beyond doing this and they largely did similar things with neogothic construction in the 19th and early 20th century, look at Vienna, look at Budapest, look at Bruges, look at Ghent, it is not just possible it should be a goal we strive for as Europeans to do so
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
We hear what you are saying. That won't happen in Rome these days... but, if you look at S. Paul's outside the walls, you'll see a completely rebuilt church after the 19C fire.
As far as I know (im from rome) that project has been financed by a billioner for Azerbaijan thanks to the "diplomatic" work of former mayor Marino (one of the few good things that guy did)
Fantastico! Mussolini was a devil but to Roman ruins he was angelo.
You know what does it mean to reconstruct the entire urban center planning infrastructure of Rome. It does not include laws and culture. Also,it does not include citizenship to go earn livelihood of ancient times competing with modern livelihood of 21st century.
Rome was built big..why not , Rome was an Empire….so go big or go home somewhere else..ha…we can see WHAT it could look like not just rubble..way to go..
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
And reconstruction is a tricky business- the scaffolding is still up in Rome on this site!
Traian-not,Trajan
I prefer original rubble, right on the ground. Modern construction is not trip-worthy. Cf: The Parthenon in Athens. 95% of it is reconstruction. I'm glad Olympia and Delphi is still original.
I am sorry but rebuilding with bricks is ugly. They should restore with marble.
@ezzovonachalm9815
Жыл бұрын
Mark Merlin Industrial cement can be made with pulver of marble or other mineral sorts, that can be colored with delicate colors like baroque monuments imiting colored marbles. So long it remains malleable, decorations can be added. Cement can be polished and made lucent and brillant with fine granulates of diamonds which can be produced in industrial quantities. The original soil of Rome is covered by million tonnes of marble debris that can be recuperated and treated. The Romans themselves ,I am convinced, would have used such advanced techniques if they would have been without marble !
@MMijdus
Жыл бұрын
@@ezzovonachalm9815 Thanks for your detailed reply.
I don’t see the point, one good earthquake it’s all gone again
@AncientRomeLive
Жыл бұрын
Luckily we don’t have that many earthquakes!!
I absolutely hate this approach to restoring structures, just fix it, in ancient Rome if one of these cracked they'd replace it... Who are we to think we're special, rebuild it with identical parts and in 2000 years it will be ancient again. As long as Rome doesn't fall. again.
This is terrible, this is what happens when you put people with extreme views in charge of restoration. If you want to fill in missing parts, use a marble that differs from the greek marble and the roman stone. bricks... are not restoration, looks like you've blended the pinacle of ancient engineering with a council estate entranceway.