Mr Spira is so articulate because he has gone so deeply into himself & unraveled himself so minutely to understand who the "I" is. He is true honest sincere to his ownself. That is as far as I can see him. He is so much more beyond my comprehension. I am blessed to hear him. Thank Mr. Spira.

The stillness, love and true nature (qualities) of pure awareness are observable within and thru Rupert throughout this video. Such pose and patience when confronted with such (apparent) ignorance is indeed a true lesson and example of this (Nondual) understanding IN FORM. Almost painful to watch, but immensely Beautiful ❤️

@juliangiulio3147

2 жыл бұрын

wow. I'm not there yet. he is very happy -is what I see, 30 mins in. I like Zaya! She is cool, real to Rupert, doesn't back down unlike some do!

@zia238

3 ай бұрын

Rupert comes across as arrogant, not loving at all

Rupert Spira is a Prodigy, words are so limited to explain what he is talking about,but he was able to describe the nature of infinite consciousness so clearly. I believe because it is based on experience not just a logical or intellectual point of view.Maybe the other guy needs more experience in order for him to understand that there is no other reality except pure consciousness.

Rupert's eloquence shines as intelligence, patience, love and enthusiasm. Thank you SAND for providing such a wonderful platform for these exchanges.

My Experience of this talk. Almaas: difused light. Rupert: Surgical laser.

@3877michael

9 жыл бұрын

Almaas is more non duel and Rupert is more dual POV.

@satnamjt607

9 жыл бұрын

I'm a little curious for a non dual teacher would be grasping something like prayer beads in his hand during this talk he must be practicing bahkti yoga.

@satnamjt607

9 жыл бұрын

Rupert conveys the Direct approach of jnana yoga.

@satnamjt607

9 жыл бұрын

I figure there is a broud spectrum of light that is diffused in the mirror of one's understanding. Where the light illuminates is what is necessary.

@3877michael

9 жыл бұрын

satnam jt True name. There is no mirror and there is no reflection and no one is understanding. Hah.

I found Almaas muddies the water throughout this talk. Rupert gets right to the heart of the matter and is much easier to understand as his understanding/knowing is clear. Namaste

Mr. Spira is amazingly articulate.

@QED_

8 жыл бұрын

+Paul Ladendorf: It's easy to appear that way . . . if you stick to a simplistic perspective and avoid things that are more difficult to understand.

@juliangiulio3147

2 жыл бұрын

@@QED_ to be fair, i don't think he does that at all. He speaks to many, (they are always resepctful towrds him, but this is OK,!) And like J Krishnamurti used to do -in his very diferent way, he just hears what they ask/say... understands what they're getting at, (-he makes sure), and then answers in his stock way -for it is SO OBVIOUS to him

Almaas has so much clarity! He expresses the process and embodiment of Being Awareness. Such a compassionate and nuanced expression of what it means to be human on a spiritual path of unfolding. Rupert talks as if his direct realisation is all we need, but in my experience it is just the beginning.

@25nomind

Жыл бұрын

Rupert just repeats the same thing, not really a conversation unfortunately. Almaas kept trying to get him to actually dialogue but it never happened.

@pattyronco4217

Жыл бұрын

What do we need beyond knowing?

Rupert's precision in languaging these non dual concepts speaks to me in a way that few teachers have. I am very greatful !

Rupert gets it. What a wonderfully clear teacher. As for the physicist, don't quit your day job. Cute.😊

Rupert was easy to understand once again, thank you!

@QED_

8 жыл бұрын

+Sacra: It's easy to be understood . . . if you restrict yourself to what people can easily understand.

At 26:00 these two crack me up. They are so wrapped up in their persona as being spiritual beings thay keep missing Rupert's point and he just remains calm and them search.

rupert as usual, so original, not copy pasting what other sages have said

@juliangiulio3147

2 жыл бұрын

he copies himself tho! I would not call it original. He goes to his stock points. I wanted him to engage more in THEIR language! We have heard it all before, from him. That is OK, Good and great even; but it is just not Original (maybe it was for you 7 years ago!?) Rupert is Rupert!

A fascinating conversation between Rupert Spira and Yoda.

@LifeOfRiley100

4 жыл бұрын

I thought he sounds a bit like Yoda as well

After a couple of Glasses of Wine this is Divinely Hysterical..... Infinite Consciousness is having a good Laugh through me, which is IT!!!

I need a decoder for Almaas. Does he even know what he's trying to say?

@grimzkul

6 жыл бұрын

Almaas is a charlatan!

@DavidSumeray_BassGod

3 жыл бұрын

Almaas is actually very clear to me and adds some very important perceptions to this discussion

Host is right. If one can go beyond pure awareness --there is pure potentiality where even awareness disappears. It just pure potentiality from which awareness arises and that leads to duality.

@agalano100

9 жыл бұрын

I 'm not sure but it seems like pure potentiality I experienced or known vibe awaren

@integralsun

6 жыл бұрын

Jay DZ Agreed. Parabrahman or the Absolute is utterly without attributes, including consciousness.

I appreciate the discussion between these spiritually advanced individuals. I would like to comment on a few of the comments below. Almaas does not need me to defend him, but many actually find his books to be very helpful and extremely insightful. He is an amazing wealth of spiritual knowledge and guidance, and I say this as someone who is not an "easy sell" when it comes to spiritual teachings. The questions that Almaas poses seem to me to be with the intent of furthering the discussion by clarifying words that can have many meanings, not because he is "foggy" in his own understanding. I can assure you from reading a half dozen of his books that Almaas is not in the least foggy in his understanding of spiritual advancement. Just don't want people who can be helped by him to be turned off.

@elizabethecarlisle1045

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for really putting in the work with your response. I'm lacking the patience dappled throughout your reply. Touche' 💗

@scottvitello1494

2 жыл бұрын

Janet,. If you go one step further and join one of hundreds of the Ridhwan groups, your understanding of Hameed and his teaching will likely deepen. I've been a long time student of the Diamond Approach. Before I became a student in 2004, I read every book Hameed had written at that time. I read and read for about 2 years prior to joining the group that was newly forming near Ann Arbor, Mi. For me, the books touched the surface of this alive teaching. Meaning I only understood it intellectually. I did not know then as I do now what it means to embody a teaching. To put it simply, dropping down into the body was and is the key that adds a dimension that is unfathomable from my previous egoic mind. The methods and techniques of discovering "Presence" is an important and essential aspect of being in a group being taught by an ordained Ridhwan teacher.

Experiencing, experiencing Experiencing...Thank for posting !!!

Fast forwarding through Almaas so I can learn something. ha ha!

@DavidSumeray_BassGod

3 жыл бұрын

I’d say there is an enormous amount to learn from Almaas. He speaks to my experience…they both do actually…very eloquently. Almaas is difficult to grasp through the intellect but he speaks to the human experience in the context of spiritual realisation. His varioius books do so most articulately.

@koffeeblack5717

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidSumeray_BassGod I think some confuse articulate speech with spiritual insight. As though spiritual enlightenment makes you eloquent... a preposterous premise. They're both worth listening to, although I agree Almaas is a better writer than speaker. No doubt Spira is great with language- and while this itself isn't proof of his mastery, it is a wonderful compliment to be masters at both expression and established insight.

There's an interesting paradox displayed in this discussion. On one hand, I feel that Rupert is crystal clarity and Hameed seems like an ever-shifting target, even jumbled and contradictory. On the other, I resonate with his Sufi-esque emphasis on individual incarnation, that there is a precious quality to individuality that we shouldn't relegate to mere delusion. See also, for instance, the views of Tim Freke and his "clashes" with what he calls monological nondualism (as opposed to what he calls paralogical, which is a both/and experience of universal and individual consciousness). One of the things i appreciate about Rupert is that he is always grounding the conversation in what is actually experienced. Whatever metaphysical statements he makes are grounded in what we actually experience. Hameed seems to be more speculative and conceptual. I can't help but wonder if he's a bit threatened by Rupert and trying to one-up him, thus the ever-shifting target and contradictions...he keeps saying some variation of "I totally realize what you realize but then there's a further realization possible that you're not talking about that I experience." Rupert says, "But let's bring it back to what we actually experience."

@garypuckettmuse

4 жыл бұрын

I find Rupert very dry. Worse yet when he starts rapping about anything aesthetic. But to your point that he keeps it to "what is actually experieced" I think perhaps you are imagining that because I have heard him wax on and on about "what consciousness WANTS" -- consciousness wants to know itself, he says, and therefore consciousness created the world and (of course especially) the people as a vehicle to use to get to know itself. On and on it goes. My point is -- what?? Consciousness is suddenly just like a person (how suspect) -- a person with wants and likes and dislikes and motivations and so forth. It really is just exactly like some of the more rudimentary interpretations of god for christians as some sort of man like being which can be comprehended by man -- man made in god's image/god made in man's image. It really was such a crock of fairy-tale. And actually, he told this fairy tale in the same way he says everything -- as if he is lulling a woebegon toddler. Compared to a lot of these other suspect characters hawking their "personal" stories about their narcissistic selves he is consistent and unoffensive and a very easy pill to swallow but there is no fire there. That said, it is completely unreal to me how stupid and inane are the questions thrown at these people by their followers who are inevitably like a bunch of pre-k kids sitting on the story-mat and raising their hands with nothing to say so they can get the adult attention for a minute. The other guy makes no sense to me so I won't comment except to say it's his conference after all . . .but I would "resonate" with anything Sufi over Spira who is a linguistic gymnast who finds a chicken way out of anything by relying on exactly what you describe which is debate techniques. For the "direct path" there is the spiritual penetration of Alan Watts and J. Krishnamurti who will hang you by your feet and shake you until everything falls out.. Or just the sound of the gong or the beat of the drum in Shiva's cosmic dance -- BOOM! Cuts right through the chit-chat. Namaste. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

@IsaiahMolina37

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I've watched a lot of rupert spira and many other teachers. Rupert just has a way of bringing the mind to its essence. He doesn't have a mission and his presence backs it up. The other guy knows what he's talking about but hasn't destroy the distinction between mind and consciousness. Because if you dont you'll realize there contradictory in relativity. Context is also key and rupert is excellent on that for the most part.

@jedimind5337

4 жыл бұрын

it doesn't seem to make sense to make sense of something that doesn't make sense with sense. it seems rather inauthentic and dishonest. the screen may never be explained by the movie on the screen. the only way the movie can go closest to the screen is by annihilating itself. if i was to follow someone of those two, i would rather choose the one that doesn't make any sense, no sense at all.. because, as far as the physical and all it's subjects is concerned - it doesn't make sense. so the only thing the physical can do is annihate itself - i think that's what they mean by direct path. maybe, all that exists is consciousnes. maybe there is something beyond the "all consciousness" through which conscousness knows it's "all consciousness". maybe, call that nothingness, and something beyond nothingness.....but what does it matter trying to talk about something that doesnt make sense with sense. wouldn't it feel rather awkward when a 2d entity try to explain a 3d entity or a phenomenon. and maybe you would start to feel repulsive when you see the 2d being, with assertion and authority, trying to explain to other 2d beings about 3d beings and phenomenon. the physical will always pussyfoot around self annihalation and strive to live while trying to make sense of the beyond. do not underestimate the lower self in you in its resolve for survival. after all, its nature is survival.

@IsaiahMolina37

4 жыл бұрын

@@jedimind5337 to be so simple I see myself as a portion or uniqueness to the full expression of the one creator. In this density of 4th (which is love) that were in, I serve the one creator in love of others as we are all one. That's where im at the knowing of myself in everything. Differences are ones experience. Namaste my friend

@XxXjuan96carlosXxX

3 жыл бұрын

@@garypuckettmuse you do not understand ruperts pointing my friend. Rupert clearly states that consciousness does not have likes or dislikes. It accepts reality as is because reality is not apart from awareness, reality is awareness itself

As a young boy I came out with a statement, a kind of a question: When we will know what is infinity, we will know ourselves. "Infinity" is a tricky word. Does it represent reality? From mathematic perspective it does not, for mathematic and physic it's just a concept, a tool for certain calculations. But we are all close to that concept, and I guess most of us feel it does represent something real. It just occurred to me, that there is just one "thing" (or better a "non-thing") which is infinite and eternal, and that's consciousness (or better pure consciousness). So, from this perspective who are we? We are finite expression of infinity. Why do we even exist? To experience relativity. How can something absolute, infinite, and eternal experience something relative, finite and temporal? Well, through us, through conscious beings.

@nicbarth3838

9 ай бұрын

I have had some of these experiences of knowing existence without any perception, I would say that in itself is a perception. You need to exist in order to know when something doesn't, so I'm biased towards a materialistic viewpoint but I'm open to challenge that if it urns out there is more compelling evidence. I'm not sure what that evidence would look like, I would be more compelled to entertain these theories but I honestly have a difficult time understanding Objective Idealism. I would need to dedicate probably years or a decade to get a rough idea of how these concepts could be quantified. Question is how does consciousnesses happen and if it doesn't go away like these guys say, then we need to ask what we mean my Death and what about being conscious is important. I feel that saying your still aware even after the death of the Relative or Finite mind is kind of a side stepping the question since what others mean by Death is the absence of our Current subjective experience not experience itself.

The distinction between the I that is aware (the personal I) and the I that happens to be there as awareness expresses itself from a more connected or enlightened or impersonal perspective is crucial and I’m glad it was elucidated so clearly here by the speaker on the left. It’s too simplistic and impartial to say that the one who is behind perceptions is what we are looking for and need to connect with. My own personal view is that although it may appear to be more difficult to grapple with; it’s nonetheless a key distinction.

i have respect for both these individuals and this is a fascinating discussion. i think when almaas talks about individuated consiousness he wants to introduce the concept of soul(i may be dead wrong) . but i know he comes from sufi tradition and there is this idea of individuated higher self in sufi tradition which is the realization that comes after the annihilation in god. many mystics believed that its wrong that we assume that we have souls. soul is something to be born. a result of a realization. some spiritual tradition dont talk about soul. but in islam there is a whole body of teaching about it

@scottvitello1494

2 жыл бұрын

F- yes, soul and individuated consciousness are the same. This is what Hameed means, you are not wrong. I am a long time student of the Ridhwan school, founded and taught by Hameed and Karen Johnson along with hundreds of ordained Ridhwan teachers leading groups of students around the globe. For me this teaching has become alive in me as my practice of embodying it continues to develop with the guidance of the teacher and group support. After 18 years, I still feel like I'm scratching the surface of reality! That in no way diminishes the fact that I have immensely deepened into the direct knowing of the fabric of my soul...

One can not describe the reality from a single point of view. Take an example of ocean. Now ocean is nothing bot water, so when we consider the reality from the point of view of water, there is nothing else except water. Now when we consider the reality from the point of view of ocean, it feels that i am the only one here. Again when we consider the reality from the point of view of wave in the ocean then there are numerous waves big and small, each one crashing on one another, rising and collapsing, etc. So the real realisation is to understand this reality of different perspectives.

@asaheb899

9 жыл бұрын

The source is water only and all other is its manifestation and nothing but water alone.

@d1427

9 жыл бұрын

+Suresh Sharma i suggest that there may be more realities [relative realities, i.e. that ignore the bigger picture] but the Truth cannot be multiple otherwise there's no truth at all. Alternatively, truth and reality can be used interchangeable but with the qualifiers of relative or absolute.

@mementomori5374

4 жыл бұрын

Their is an awareness of the one ‘ ocean ‘

Rupert Spira is a genius!

@MrBillcallahan

8 жыл бұрын

+Lucille Gm He is a GOD!

I wonder what the story was which Rupert was going to talk about at 53.22 :)

Thank you so much for posting such an inspiring dialog. Wonderful. It coud be very, very nice and i would appreciate if you were able to fix the video from the minute 1:25:00 to the minute 1:30:00 (more or less) that is out of sync with the voices. Thanks a lot. Namaskar !

The battle of intellectual concepts-of non- duality -

Rupert just talking helps me sleep at night. Lucid dreams et al.

@samabdul3291

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know why this made me laugh out loud.

Almas being a good comedian

Though I have a 70 year old body, I'm but a baby with a big ego. My ego reacts to to A.H. he is a mirror to an aspect of myself.. ms. know it all. With Rupert I Calm . I am at peace. I will continue to listen to Rupert and pass on A.H.

@llluke4657

3 жыл бұрын

Right on! I perfectly agree. Although... he's just pure awareness expressing himself through an individual, localized personality. (or something like that)

Wow Rupert Spira LIVES what he talks so eloquently about. The sheer ignorance of this other guy and Rupert manages to stay calm and clearly explaining his point of view without interrupting.

@MrTypepatrick

Ай бұрын

I'd love to have a meaningful discussion with someone who sees Almaas as ignorant 🤠

My experience is that Rupert's microphone works wayyy better than Almaas'.

Excellent!

In the same way that the substance of a wave is the ocean - it is the nature of form to be aware because its substance is awareness. When an individual wave/form is clear that it is made out of the ocean/awareness, then it loses its individuality such that the wave-form and ocean-awareness are 'not-two'.

@QED_

8 жыл бұрын

+James Traverse: Okay . . . but what is the nature of that "movement" of awareness from wave to ocean (or the reverse) (?) Isn't the fact that awareness can BE either the wave or the ocean . . . ontologically more fundamental than WHAT it can be (?)

@JamesTraverseYoga

8 жыл бұрын

+greenrate It is a relaxation. Yes, Awareness not only can be, it is both the wave and the ocean; what falls away in the relaxation is the limited, mentally generated identification.

@QED_

8 жыл бұрын

James Traverse What Almaas is suggesting in this video (although no one is listening to him) is that BEING is more fundamental than awareness. Can there "be" awareness . . . without Being (?)

@koffeeblack5717

2 жыл бұрын

@@QED_ We interpreted Almaas very differently. He seemed to me to be saying that the finite mind is always implicit in every fundamental Realization of the Absolute. It is always people that come back to share *their* realizations. This is a different point than that Being is more fundamental than awareness. If anything he seemed to explicitly reject all conceptual categories as being adequate descriptors for what is absolute (I would have to dig for the time signature, but I believe I'm paraphrasing that exact point).

18:30 beautiful 42:00 mind as all we perceive. You know, every one is awake, aware. It is the knowing of itself. It it unknowable as an object. (From "to know" to "to be") Peace on earth good will to man "Shivali"

This is the problem with the separate self... too much speculation and almost zero experience. As Papaji said: "Find it and then keep quiet!" 🤣🤣🤣♥️ thanks Rupert.

There is ONLY AWARENESS!

@QED_

8 жыл бұрын

+Chikaodili1: Well . . . what about the "is" in your statement (?) In order for there to BE awareness . . . there has to be the underlying capacity to BE.

Almas doesn't know WHAT he's talking about most of the time! REALLY interesting watch...

noenemee Hi Bill, I watched the video and had a very different interpretation than yours. I think they both have similar realizations, however, emphasize different points. Rupert tends to emphasize and be biased toward awareness in contrast to manifestation, what I would term a nondual realization biased toward causal awareness. Hameed tends to emphasize awareness with manifestation, what I would term a radical nondual or embodied nondual realization. Given their emphases in their teachings, they did not... I think you may be correct to call me on the comment. It was a superficial, gut, reaction to two personalities. Obviously I have a preference. I would need you to walk me through your arguments to be able to respond honestly. I am not so gifted as you apparently are with words. Thanks for calling me out on it though, I really want to be more aware of the effect my remarks have on others.

Name of the tune at the beginning , please? It's beautiful.

@aurelienyonrac

3 жыл бұрын

Hello. You might want to look at Quentin Sirjaq (i don't know how to spell it) he has a few that sounds exactly like that. I hope it helps

@Daniel-pr4uk

3 жыл бұрын

@@aurelienyonrac thank you very much :)

@aurelienyonrac

3 жыл бұрын

I might have found it kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJln1daIj9Grgto.html

@Daniel-pr4uk

3 жыл бұрын

@@aurelienyonrac thank you. Though it doesn't sound to me like it is the tune at the start of this video :)

Rupert is the best, beyond doubt

A perfect example of why words can't express the deepest truths. This would've been much more meaningful had they simply sat there, smiling and nodding at each other, without saying a word.

Dr. Hameed and Rupert conducted themselves in a manner befitting Reaized persons. They were so calm putting forth their views although different from each other's. Dr. Hameed explained Rupert's questioning the questioner towards the end- that Rupert was trying to make the speaker feel the 'awareness' directly ( direct path ) instead of telling it himself in words. This is what happened in the case of the lady interviewer also. Some body commented negatively without understanding this aspect

Almass should be knee on the floor and listen what Rupert speaks. There is no individual soul. if there is entity independent of reality, it’s another reality and each of them exists independently and can not relate each other. but we can see everything is inter related, therefore the concept of independent entity is just ignorance.

Really valuable conversation. But what keeps coming up for me is the phrase "if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". To use another cliché - "there's more than one way to skin a cat!".

It really is beginning to sound more about having to be right about a meaningless distinction rather than a concept.

Listening to Almaas makes my brain hurt. Spira is beyond patience...

The duel of the non dual.

That is moment of Big Bang!

Rupert wonderful as usual. I suggest you re-issue this video with Almaas edited out, he speaks endless jibberish and robs us of the pleasure of listening to Rupert.

@thegentleplant509

Жыл бұрын

He’s like that drunk uncle rambling on and on at a family gathering with no real substance

God bless Rupert!!

Rupert is brilliant. Still I believe there are different levels whereas Rupert describes Black and White I believe there are shades of grey in between. The double slit experiment describes the duality of the wave/particle and the self awareness of the wave. A wave has peaks and troughs, I believe in between the rises and falls of the wave are the shades of grey. In the grey areas individual minds may continue on in some way. Maybe it is when we are born into a finite mind, body, world that the energy wave is at its peak and when the body dies it is the fall of the wave back toward the oneness of pure awareness and as it journey's there it may encounter other realms and deceased loved ones. When one is absorbed or merges with the light at death maybe that is just prior to the wave beginning to rise up once again to a finite world with finite bodies and minds. In this way when one surrenders to the light one gives up everything of the self before and the energy rises to become another new finite self.

Classic example of a clear difference between true light (Rupert) and borrowed light (western pandit!!). Something each of us must learn - better to shut up and accept and learn when Real Knowledge radiates it's Light unto us!!

It can be painful to give up your personal consciousness after investing for years in them

💞🙏🌺

I love how the one guy sounds like yoda ♤

Up until now, 20 mins, Rupert seems very happy, truly; and t'other guy seems like flip-flopping around with his different + varied take

What always puzzled me, is that organised religions don't do self enquiry? It is true for anyone who believes in something or have a strong opinion about the meaning of life.... How can you believe in God or a higher power if you don't know who or what you are? Surely that's the first step, to ask who or what am I? I always felt the power of religion or any belief is repitition! If you hear the same thing over and over, then you think it's true! If you do self enquiry then you can only come to the realisation that awarenes is what you are! That still presence that is beyond words. That awarenes that never moves. It's always here. Everything that's experienced happens to that what is aware. Watever happens in church, or wherever, it is experienced by awarenes, and that is true for us all. The awarenes that you are never moves and is the experiencer. It's very simple. There's nothing to know or understand. The "I" is a fabrication of thought, and awarenes is what is the experiencer of absolutely everything! 😊

We never got to hear Rupert's Story he was about to tell !

I like how Rupert tries to make Almaas understand his perspective. In the Bible, Jesus tells his disciples, that on the day of enlightenment/salvation (in John 14:20) they shall realize that all LIFE is one. It is ALWAYS so and those who have experienced it confirm it (he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit ). It is the individual minds that bar us from realizing this fact! This is more or less what Rupert is trying to make his counterpart understand.

@monicaarcher7107

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Almaas shouldn’t be sitting on stage, but amongst the audience.

@peerpont5362

3 жыл бұрын

No , perspectives need to be introduced. Just because you like one more then the other doesn’t mean almass perspective is irrelevant

@koffeeblack5717

2 жыл бұрын

@@InspirationParadise In viewing Peerpont as a police, you yourself are engaging in police activity. We are all just sharing our perspectives. There are fake gurus but all the more reason for conversations with different perspectives. Allowing one nondual philosophy or system to take the podium unchallenged is a greater threat to the democracy of spirituality than Almaas disagreeing with Spira. You're free to critique me as you critiqued Peerpont, just as Peerpont critiqued ayasinsk. This all needs to be said and be a part of the conversation. I don't think Peerpont is saying ayasinsk shouldn't voice their opinion- they're just expressing different attitudes.

More words mean less. Consciousness becomes the object cognized.

Good

nisagadatta. says that the absolute does not know itself prior to the “I am ‘ concept.

@klemenlogar

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Because absolute is infinite wholeness without parts and limits. All the absolute directly know can be only itself. Selfaware, eternal, unlimited, empty essence. In order to be possible to see other there needs to be two, so this is why abolute wilingly and temporarily limist itself to the concept I am. This is why reality is one pure wholeness but in manifeststion apearing as two..I and other but this is only a temporary modulation and two never really exists but are ilusion.

Rupert makes everything clear. Fort me

in one moment Al Hamaas is suggesting that consciousness depends on the individual and then in the next he is saying it doesn't matter it is all reality.. he is but a walking contradiction to himself and has no real contemplation on his words. Ruperts pointings are clearer than ever giving clear definitions of the terminology we use to define our experience. Al Hamaas says in one moment consciousness and then he says awareness and he thinks by saying consciousness he means our daily waking experience and by making a distinction between consciousness and awareness he has not come from a place of true experiential realisation just as a parody for the cloak with which the truth veils itself under. Beware the Charlatans and use your intelligence wisely with this type of thing and if you have humility to admit that the intellect cannot and shall not ever be able to grasp the reality the truth shall shine through this is acceptance or the divine act of where the illusory identity surrenders itself into the infinite nature of consciousness.

@alfogel3298

5 жыл бұрын

Ryan McGregor I totally agree; yes, the intellect can never experience or grasp reality. As Avatar Meher Baba once so eloquently declared : “Mind wants to know that which is beyond mind. To know that which is beyond mind, mind must go-vanish, leaving no vestige of itself behind. The humour of it is, the mind, which is finite, wants to retain itself and yet know Truth, which is infinite. This is the position of those who seek Truth through intellect. Few grasp this fact, and so most grope and grapple in vain” --Meher Baba Meher Baba also said: “ Things that are Real are given and received in silence” -Meher Baba

@terefefeyssa877

2 жыл бұрын

LoopA: He could not even Himself understand what He is talking about. He always does that for Years. He should just listen and learn instead of talking.

@terefefeyssa877

2 жыл бұрын

Al Hammas is in a wrong place

Hameed's presence strongly feels "finite mind". He comes across like a university professor. Odd for someone who is focusing on the essence of the pearl of the essence. Wonder why this is so? Would he choose this presence if he were truly conscious of it? Has no-one ever given him gentle feedback? Rupert has a presence that carries experience. it feels layered. depth-y, journeying, anchored. the Interviewer is misunderstanding the meaning of the word "aware". Basically saying there is something Im aware of that is before awareness.

How can you know that awerness can be awere of it self without any content like thoughts etc. Is that even possible ? Almaas say that its rare. If i claim such an experience, would i not immidiatly lie because of the experience of it/ awerness of it ?

@Maroonoh_

10 ай бұрын

It’s because the nature of awareness is without limit. Saying that awareness depends on an experiencer (or mind) places a limit on it. If you tap in to the awareness within yourself you will notice that the awareness is already aware of itself without the need for you to think about it or feed it content. However, since we currently are awareness attached to a mind, I do think the awareness will always be defiled by nature of that fact(even if only slightly). Since pure awareness being placed directly back on itself is not an experience, no one can claim to have experienced that, that situation is what we mean when we talk about death.

Rupert brings a simplicity to nonduality. Almaas seems to be making it more complicated. I could be wrong.

31:46 Almaas: "Yeah" Rupert: "No" Almaas :"Wait what?

@muanisalrashed2471

4 жыл бұрын

Man ...he said yeah to agree with rupert😁

Rupert Rupert Rupert and one more time Rupert!

Upon Listening I have noted that Almaas STILL is subject to Separation and Division in that HE IS the Maharishi (sp) As there IS NO separation, nor division as then ;between’ one and an ‘other’. I watched as BOTH of these struggled with their EGOS. Ouch! Ah!, such is common to ALL Man kind... While this attempt WAS to present the WHOLE, at the same time separation and division was the MEANS by which the both would seek that which was and IS Whole..Alas, as it has been said by an other, ie Einstein: ‘You cannot solve the problem, utilizing the SAME as created the problem...’

The screen is not the awareness, the manifested world is both the screen and the movie, there can be an outside witness watching the movie, but in our case we are the movie and the Steen and the awareness and the experience, but there is a universe beyond the screen!

I believe Almaas was having a hard time comprehending consciousness as infinity. It is the same Consciousness that is both behind his mind and all other minds. You could see he had the feeling that pure awareness depends on his particular mind which I can see how that confusion can occur. Maybe it would help to put it like this: Pure awareness is that which is both experience AND non-experience at the same time. It understands itself as both. And although it seems awareness/consciousness/God depends on experience. It does not. It depends on nothing else other than itself. It is really just infinity understanding itself as infinity infinitely in infinite ways lol. (It seems like Rupert putting non-experience as “awareness looking back at itself with no object” was a bit difficult for him to feel)

Rupert wants to point out that we all live in a cave where as Hamid wants to point at the shadows on the Cave wall..

Once you experience that naked awareness you will realise that all these talks are just a hindrance. You will have to let go everything you know but the majority won’t, myself included.

As I understand it, Almaas is saying: "All is God". While Rupert Spira is saying: "All is not. God only is"

@Eazy_Danny

3 жыл бұрын

Right, Rupert is saying that there's no such a thing created in the first play which would stand apart from awareness (or God) having its own existence, there's only God (awareness) while Almaas probably have not directly seen this to grasp it experientially.

A H ALMAAS doesn't have the full recognition of the true nature of reality. You can experience the world as a separate me from all these others that appear my experience are someone totally different from me and this is one manifestation from which the illusion of separateness plays out. There comes in everyone's lives at some time opportunities to shatter this illusion.. the idea that "I am this 24 year old individual and this life is all I know". Or you can investigate the true nature of the experience you've been having and are having right now and be liberated from the ties we have with the appearances that manifest in our experiences. The truth is in the case between Rupert & Al Hamaas is really.. do you want to wake up or do you want to stay asleep and it is each of our priveleges to be given the opportunity in every moment to stay asleep and continue the dream of "I am" or if we want to we can inquire within into the true nature of this apparent "I" that I refer to as myself to reveal it's true nature. As human beings we have this amazing gift to be able to discover the true nature of the self and thus discover the fundamental secrets of the universe. Something I think is relevant "uni ~ Latin derivatives such as Un, uno, una all meaning one verse ~ Versa Versæ meaning song Universe literally means one song and this where the word came from.

God is a sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere.

love the old guy :) Thanks

@InspirationParadise

2 жыл бұрын

Which one? Lol

Today i see clearer why you.

Who is the woman?

@scienceandnonduality

6 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!! Good catch... we did not put Zaya's name in the credit...

Why do I feel like I’m watching a dueling ‘non-dual’ dual banjos match?! This captures for me everything that is wrong with today’s popular fascination with non-dual approach to awakening. Is anyone falsely laboring under the belief that ‘getting’ the fine distinction between the importance of the (f)utility of conscious individuation vs. awareness directly being able to cognize itself without the agency of a human mind body complex? Do two renown Bhaktis ever get into the ring and wrestle with each other to demonstrate how best to hug and love one another to get God Realized? I was cringing the whole time.

Spira and Almas are both see the same reality from two different angles. Both are equally interesting. Inexplicable is explained according their capacity using the most appropriate metephors. Thanks for sharing this invaluable discussion.

They never got to help the poor man at the end that asked the last question

Rupert what happens at 53:30 jajaja

the theme music is really like the opening of a daytime soap opera from the 60's. Just sayin' . . .where's phillip glass when we need him?

@scienceandnonduality

4 жыл бұрын

i know... cannot afford his music... :-) Phillip Glass is SURELY our favorite composer!

Light is light is light. Awareness is awareness is awareness. Water is water is water. Yet, the light coming from the candle burning in my room is separate from the light from the candle burning in Kenya and from the light of the Betelgeuse star. I can blow the candle in my room and this light will disappear, yet, the room in Kenya would keep basking in the light as long as the candle there keeps burning. Water is water. Yet, the water in the glass I am drinking from is separate from the water in the dead sea and the water in the Atlantic. Ultimately, all water, all light, all humans, all rocks came from the same source... ...the Big Bang... ...which came from the Singularity before the Big Bang... ...which came from the unknowable (no)thing before the Singularity. I am not sure what the confusion is.

@matthewervvin

9 жыл бұрын

TOA (Transmission of Awakening) "Ultimately, all water, all light, all humans, all rocks came from the same source... ...the Big Bang... ...which came from the Singularity before the Big Bang... ...which came from the unknowable (no)thing before the Singularity. I am not sure what the confusion is." Yes, but what is it the contains all of that activity? Big bang coming from singularity coming from unknowable coming from etc etc... Yet something is even before all of that! Find out what that is.

where does SPIRIT fit in to this ???

@MidiwaveProductions

6 жыл бұрын

Spirit = Experiencing/I am/Consciousness/Being

Of what use would this world be, if we were not aware of it in the first place. Without us being aware we cannot even say that there is a separate world existing (matter). There could be a lot of enlightened ignorance out there which we need to be careful about and I am sorry to say Mr A.H Almaas, please question the very origins of the mind than forming absolute realities around it.

@aaron_sirius

5 жыл бұрын

Isha Agreed:)

Mr. Almaas' undisclosed hostility towards the Direct Path is quite evident right from the beginning, when he openly ridicules it. I almost suspect him of hiring that obnoxious Hungarian (?) accented guy from the end just to put Rupert into difficulty, and then appear as the saviour... Just a thought...

@koffeeblack5717

2 жыл бұрын

It's not undisclosed hostility- it's an open critical attitude. He's had the nondual realization and eventually came to seriously doubt the completeness of standard direct path interpretations. This is a good thing- it would be terrible if we allow dogmatism to the tenets of a nondual philosophy to overshadow a free and critical discussion of the Ultimate.

Sorry but it seems to me like there is connection with another dimension. I mean, we r talking about clear consciousness=the God or whatever. And imagine, what can the God create? Another God? Probably yes, but it seems to me like the frame we look through at the finite consciousness is just some product the God made. Like we make a picture of some trees in park to capture smth., God with ignorance of time just makes some pictures from his perspective, some "time frames" or something, where he tries to show what is he experiencing. And he shows it right through us. So I mean we may be a prduct of some higher dimensional creature. This seems like the biggest bullshit Ive ever written, but.... :-D Idk. It seems like each of us is a part of the God. We all together r God. Now answer finally something which will finally ground me back 'cos this video makes me feel dizzy and crazy. x)

Change the beads for a cigarette dude, you need calming.

i dont understand all the hate for almaas here. his realization is very very deep and mature, and i daresay it even exceeds rupert’s in a certain sense. a lot of people seem to just want to forget about the individual aspect of realization, but true nonduality includes the individual, and this is the point that almaas hammers home. you just have to listen with an open mind.

@ordinaryguy815

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao, if you cant see through Almaas’ bullshit, no hope for you bro

@truthoriented

2 жыл бұрын

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Mr. Spira is such a sharp, clear speaker capable of putting into words what very few imagine possible. It's painful to watch Mr. Spira try to guide these two participants' confused intellects to simple "Yes" or "No," as they roam lost in their metaphysical masturbation. The blabblling gentleman on the stage's questions and comments-as well as his limited English vocabulary-makes the video nearly unwatchable when he talks. There's a constant grabbing and pulling back into a "talk-about-we-already-know-Rupert!!" Who picked these two folks to have a debate with Mr. Spira?

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Pure Awareness can access experience through all of it's creations. atoms, neutrons, electrons, amoebas everything, even though individually each of these may?? have no self awareness or Awareness of Only self!!!??? Nobody really knows anyway they only experience through their self or selves! It's all words, certainly not pure Awareness!!!!!!??????..... Or Only Pure awareness!!??

They are trying to explain non/duelism with language which is by nature dualistic - at least Spira concedes that nothing they say with language is absolutely true nor can it be.