Yes, Daniel, would love to see a Pro Mode comparison. Thanks for attention to detail!

quick tip to fix high resolution contrast; turn off adaptive pixel, and turn off scene optimizer and its fixed

Much of my life is spent in desktop Lightroom Classic editing RAW images. There is WAY more information in a RAW image to play with than a .jpg, so much so that your options often seem limitless. I haven't worked with a RAW image out of my new Samsung S24 Ultra, but am certain that it will be the same. I'm not really interested in what the initial RAW image looks like right out of the camera ... only in what I can make it look like by editing it in Lightroom Classic. Thanks for the good video.

I'm surprised that Auto mode is a lot better than Expert raw. I hope s25u will reduce the amount of processing on expert raw without compromising HDR and steering away from AI.

@Dicktopus

2 ай бұрын

What is the connection between S series and an app?

Thanks for your detailed review Daniel. I've done extensive side by side testing of Auto Mode and Expert RAW as well. Mostly during the day photos and I've had mixed results as well. The only mode I will currently use Expert RAW on is with the standard lens set to 24MP using -.3EV exposure compensation. I get my best results that way. The color science of Auto Mode is often a bit better but for me the resolution and the lack of over sharpening that the auto mode does makes using ExpertRAW worthwhile. I'm also just using the .jpg files and not the .dng RAW files. I didn't see enough of a difference in editing to warrant saving both files. I wish Samsung would improve their processing algorithms for the auto mode in 50MP and 200MP resolution. They are way off the standard 12MP auto images in exposure and color science. They are sometimes almost unusable and that's why I'm using ExpertRAW in 24MP.

Nice review ... I would love to see you add Pro mode to your next comparison. I'll definitely keep and use my phone in Auto mode ... I would rather it take it right (most of the time) the first time than try and save it later in editing.

Thank you. I'll be looking forward to your review of the Pro mode.

Just got the expert raw update, looking forward to your video. 😊😊😊

First this video was kinda misleading. Because if you don't or aren't going to edit the photos then there is no need to take a raw photo period. To act as if this would be a good point and shoot app. Is absurd right?! Raw is always going to be lacking in processing because the goal is just to capture a flat image in the first place and then you the user to edit the images to your own personal taste!!! Expert raw as I've stated before is for editing not at all point and shoot. The app is not the best because it's limited to the amount of information or lack thereof of the sensors and blah blah blah. As I'm writing this. Maybe you were actually doing something different. You kinda made the point without going into the purpose of the app. Ingenious. Great video. Have a great day on purpose. You deserve it.

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

The thing about ExpertRAW is there is some element of point and shoot about it because it has its own processing algorithm as it is computational RAW. Lots of people last year definitely preferred the processing from ExpertRAW in certain situations. But yes my point was that auto mode serves majority of people and ExpertRAW is great for people who wish to tweak and edit later.

Will you make a video with the others capabillities of the expert raw such as nd filters, multiple exposures etc with examples?

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

Yes I plan on making that video very soon!

In the s23 I noticed that at least in 12mp using expert raw the photos come out with colors closer to what I see, whereas in normal mode the colors are more saturated

At last something interesting. I use ExpertRAW with High Efficiency mode and converted to JPEG where photos have same size as regular Camera app

Image 2 of the tree has a halo in the expert RAW mode. I have seen a similar halo on some of my photos with a hard edge.

With important shots, I almost only use ExpertRaw on my Base S23 now. I have no knowledge of photo editing, but simply applying a pre-downloaded profile in Lightroom or adjusting a few sliders produces results that surpass what the main camera can achieve. It takes an extra minute or two, but it's worth it to me. I dislike the auto mode processing and you can't edit those pictures in the same way.

Yes, do a pro mode edit, too, please. It depends on the situation, time etc.

I thought that was the idea with raw. The camera/phone does make any processing decision. Almost like a photo negative that leaves it as shot and you do all the decisions post.

Expert raw has been weird on this phone. I've been a long time user & expert raw is acting very different than previous phones. I've also had issues with raw photos from expert raw in lightroom. It's taking all the issues you are seeing to the max

@jkul872

2 ай бұрын

Yeah expert raw photos are so hard to work with especially with masking in lightroom. It always puts an orange tinge on photos that pro mode doesn't have.

@thund3rcat321

2 ай бұрын

It's much more than just that. If you have Samsung members search "s24 ultra expert raw" and my post should be the first one that comes up. There's pictures of what's happening. Just from importing the colors are pushed far right & severely overexposed. This is unlike anything I've experienced & I've been using expert raw & light room since the s22u

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

It's been weird since it was released. :D

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

It has been super weird. I don't recall it being this hit and miss on S23 Ultra

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@techwithbenefits I was better on the S23U but really bad on the S22U.

I find myself getting better results on the 24U using Pro mode vs Expert Raw. The 23U Expert raw processing seemed a lot better

Is there not supposed to be an Expert Raw update ( April ) to enhance the firmware update from a few days ago (~ March 28 - 29)?

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

There is yes. I've got the April update, but expertRAW is still on the previous version as of now

Cant wait for a comparison of Pro Photo Mode

Well this pretty much mirrors my findings, Samsung have some work do to. For the price of this phone I did expect better camera performance and it seems to be software / processing is the problem with it, especially the 'raw' which isn't really raw! Looks like my trusty SONY A65 DSLR will still be coming on holidays with me. And looks like you are on the southern gold coast, hard to take a bad photo there on a sunny day.....yet the phone managed to!

I can't understand why you didn't show what you did in Lightroom at every single picture you've choosed. If you just turned down the exposure you haven't merely touched LR's possibilities...

@greasegospel

2 ай бұрын

True, the lightroom test is irrelevant if ya dont show your lightroom process of what youre tapping into. I know its highlights, whites, exposure, and clarity

Thx for the video. One thing I don't understand. You can also modify the highlights, shadows of a photo taken with the auto mode. Why use expert RAW then? thx!

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

If it would be real raw you would have more headroom in a DNG compared to a JPG to do that, sadly that's not the case with the Samsung stock app.

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

The ExpertRAW app provides a .dng file which has more data and information compared to a standard .jpeg file

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@techwithbenefits Are you sure? Check it, with ProMode this is definitely not the case. Also a Mult HDR DNG taken with Lightroom has much more to offer than an ExpertRAW DNG.

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@techwithbenefits More data does not necessary equal more information.

I would really appreciate a comparison between pro mode and expert raw, for low light, I mean real low loghr light night sky, I think pro mode is still better, more room for editing and less processing

RAW better than EXPERT Raw. The expert raw automatically process the image after the image is taken which defeats the purpose

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

Only from 3rd party apps, you don't get uncrossed raw anymore from Samsung stock app since early 2023.

if you know how to edit and understand raw files a raw file will be easier to edit and give a better result every time a jpg on the s23 is maybe 9mb the dng raw file can be 75mb plus. there's a lot more data to work with in a dng file, which in your video are unprocessed files

Expert Raw editing is great 💯

I prefer the standard RAW over the Expert RAW simply because of how much the over sharpening is done

I'm happy that the auto mode "won the fight".. as a normal user i don't have patience to use ExpertRaw!

Hi there, what is the difference between expert raw and pro mode ?

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

On paper: computational raw vs one shot raw. In reality you only get raw from 3rd party apps since Samsung broke raw support during the S22U lifecycle in the end of 2022.

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

ExpertRAW uses mult image stacking and computational photography to produce RAW images. Pro Mode is unprocessed and just the data and settings you feed it!

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@techwithbenefits ProMode should be unprocessed but it's not with Samsung, it is already de-mosaiced and just a JPG with no more headroom in Shadow and light recovery as the JPG.

from my heavy experience with hundreds of photos with expert raw vs auto is : 1. expert raw misses the shot ,, terrible shutter lag for moving subjects vs instant freeze on auto mode ,, try it on a walking subject auto vs expert raw , on auto its freezes it with fast shutter while on expert the subject has gone ! so its mainly for static non moving subjects. 2. second thing at lowlight or mid to low light heavy noise reduction applies that when zooming into your photo its looks like oil painting.

@ashouhdy

2 ай бұрын

i hope Samsung can push the limit of scene optimizer from only color/light editing to also changes shutter times .. same as honor doing on Motion sensing capture mode when the phone detect the subject moving it increase shutter speed to freeze it ,, Samsung can apply that to scene optimizer rather than lifting the shadows and adding colours.. ,, hear me Samsung play with shutter speed & iso too ... I don't have time to go to pro to play with parameters and by the time i do that the moment is gone.

I thought expert raw looks more natural but it looks heavily HDR even though i turned it off already. Raw shouldn't be processed image but it the opposite. Pro mode looks so much better

Pro mode vs Expert Raw, pls...!

Do not set the Scene Optimizer on,on your Samsung phones. It ruins your photos most of the time than it makes it fine

@AppleReviews

2 ай бұрын

I wish this would be shown in video comparison next - as mane reviewers RECOMMEND this setting on High

@jkul872

2 ай бұрын

​@AppleReviews it's good in some scenarios like pet photos but it can be bad sometimes

@user-zm4cd4vj4z

2 ай бұрын

In your opinion only!

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

No, I love scene optimiser 😅

One thing I hate about samsung camera is that it is too grainy in low light. Even using expert raw

The thing is... the ExpertRAW produce no RAW...at least on my S24U

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

You'll need to go into expertRAW settings and turn on the raw copy!

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@techwithbenefits Just because the files is named dng does not mean it's raw inside. ExpertRAW stores it as JPG XL ProMode as plain jpg.

I use pro mode instead of expert raw. Expert raw jus processes things very bright.

thanks for the video very interesting research Otherwise I agree with what is said: - Samsung no longer produces real RAW, a shame for an app dedicated to professionals Let them do it in their basic pro mode ok, but not with Expert Raw! it is a delusion - too many options everywhere with the companion overlay, that by force, we have to spend hours looking for who is doing what - bugs here and there, not reliable - lots of blur - there is smoothing everywhere as soon as the brightness drops - take at night in manual mode, the results are horrible just by changing the exposure time, the colors drift, bleed even with the BL and ISO blocked and from my personal point of view, what's new since the S21 / 22u? What have we really gained in 4 generations? I no longer understand Samsung developers, no wonder many switch to Gcam....or other smartphones

I much prefer the Auto snaps.

Did you get that "magic" update to fix that expired camera hardware on the S24 Ultra? We are almost in April hahahahahhahahahahaha

@robhughes8516

2 ай бұрын

Oh yes, Samsungs ol “it’ll be fixed with a future update” promise that still, to this day hasn’t happened!

As with ProMode, those files are not really RAW, you will have no additional headroom in highlight and shadow recovery compared to the jpg.

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

You definitely do get more headroom! It has much more data and a much bigger file size

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@techwithbenefits Bigger file just means less compression, not necessary more image data. In ProMode you get nothing if you compare it with the jpg in dng+jpg mode. Samsung just puts a JPG in the DNG container since 2023.

@Dicktopus

2 ай бұрын

​@@donnawetter1513lol dude. Proraw is the one that saves a shitty jpg in dng container. Pro mode can save real raw pictures. Never compared the two by yourself, right? Watch less sponsored bullshit from "big" youtubers.

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

@@Dicktopus What is Proraw? No sorry ProMode is broken since the S22U with 2023 firmware. Of course I did the comparisons. Did you? I wish big youtubers would cover this and pressure Samsung to bring real raw back.

auto mode is the best :D

Taking shot with expert raw is better because you have access Togo back and edit what you want. The expert raw gives you more details Auto mode just captures what it decides on it own😂😂😂

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

That's right! They serve different purposes for sure

in time my opinion... Auto Mode is edited by AI... ExpertRaw is to be edited by human....

Expert Raw is completely broken 🤦🏽‍♂️ The normal Pro Mode is too much better than Expert Raw and is real Raw.

ExpertRAW turned into a big disappointment. I did the same tests on S23. ExpertRAW is much more inconsistent than Auto, tendency more overexposure with characteristics like higher gamma value. Last year the zoom was even worse than with standard auto, I.e. too much oversharpening. Then Samsung messed up RAW format, which infact now is a preprocessed JPEG in DNG container only. Absolutely useless in Astro mode since about a year. Conclusion: ExpertRAW is unreliable and a mess. Looks like both apps are maintained by different teams. Samsung should be ashamed of this mess. If I a have a one-time chance to take a foto, then sure I won't choose ExpertRAW but stock cam app in auto mode. If only there were an option for more natural colours.

Best thing to do is get a pixel 8 pro, colour and processing is miles better, why I had to leave my s23 ultra back to the pixel lineups

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

Nah. I'm a Samsung KZreadr and prefer the Samsung products

I hope I'm not being stupid. But not everyone has the knowledge or ability to change different photos or methods of photography. I am Elderly

@robertmurdock7530

2 ай бұрын

Hey there, young man! I'm old too, but I've used auto on cameras forever and got the results I've been looking for. If not, I edit them and 99% of the time, I improve the photo. Watching this video nearly gave me a headache 😂. I'm sticking with auto until I find a scene that I know will be problematic and then I'll use E.R. Like people with heavy backlighting or in a shadowy setting outdoors. Gotta say, Daniel knows Samsung cameras inside & out!

@Old_Git_Gaming

2 ай бұрын

You're not being stupid, and you're never ever too old to learn a new skill. There are a lot of KZread videos that can help you, so why not give it a go

RAW is a gimmick on most phones, nothing more than a storage hog.

Samsung has awful sharpening. Softer in auto is just a trick. It softens an already processed picture. The sharpening in Raw is worse! When you open Lightroom, it is standard on 50. Expert raw is nor read raw, it is also processed a lot. Now you can indeed put the sharpening from 50 to zero. But then the sharpening is still present. Almost same amount as auto. But even if sharpening is too much, it looks a bit more natural. For people who wants the best, pro mode seems the wat to go. But it is opposite. Much more noise in picture, and there simple tweaking is impossible. Must really know Lightroom well, especially how to reduce noise and THAT is for experts

@donnawetter1513

2 ай бұрын

ProMode RAW is fake too, you get not more highlight and shadow recovery as in the jpg. For real raw you need a 3rd party app.

The boring Samsung fanboy, talking about this rehashed S21 Ultra, with ancient camera sensors that even mid range phones can beat. Hahahahhahahahha. Smart people get Vivo X100 Pro, Oppo Find X7 Ultra, Xiaomi 14 Ultra, not this overpriced garbage rehashed by Samsung.

@techwithbenefits

2 ай бұрын

Why are you here? Must have a boring life to go around commenting on videos you don't like. Maybe get a hobby mate

This expert raw thing is a big fail from the start. The raw files aren't raw at all, the images are worse than in auto mode. It saves a bad, over sharpened, over denoised jpg to dng container. Fail.