just wanna apologize for all the unscripted, me just reading articles type stuff recently. it's been hard to keep up with how much stuff there has been to discuss with final shape and into the light. i'm working on follow up thoughts for the entirety of pantheon, thoughts on season of the wish and a couple of other scripted videos that should all be coming before final shape hits that i think you'll enjoy. just bear with me for now.

@Killyfan8

23 күн бұрын

No don’t apologize kinda prefer this because your opinion matters and is very interesting on what you have to say

@halo122398

23 күн бұрын

Don't worry Datto, we'll never forgive you ❤

@jian4701

23 күн бұрын

I prefer the unscripted stuff honestly.

@IDECIDETHETRUTH

23 күн бұрын

Datto please be kind to yourself. Please.

@skiddlybiddly2572

23 күн бұрын

@@Killyfan8 I think you mean "our" opinion matters

"I don't care who Bungie sends, I am not playing Crucible"

@emmanuelwil-jeff

23 күн бұрын

As someone whose played crucible it's not that bad you just have to find/decide which one you like personally IB and Control are go to

@Slinkey_

22 күн бұрын

@@emmanuelwil-jeff whatever you say fed /s

@NoTalker_

14 күн бұрын

same will never step foot in there again

You know what... That is a nice sweater. Good for you Datto.

@SmolShippie

23 күн бұрын

I love you positive cayde :D

I had...NO IDEA that was how ammo finder worked. So many times when ammo was so scarce make so much more sense now. Huge win there.

@RoyaltonDrummer922

23 күн бұрын

I swear I’ll be slaying out and still not get drops though

@nicholascazmay2126

20 күн бұрын

No f***ing wonder why there is no heavy in the final fight of Zero Hour - getting murdered by snipers and missile every 30 seconds was basically a hard block on any heavy ammo. Mind blowing this has worked this way for so long.

@durtyjohn9339

18 күн бұрын

Also makes alot of sense why when doing solo flawless I had so much ammo laying around but when doing it with friends and not caring if I die why there's not alot laying around

@thebygoneking

18 күн бұрын

They made it worse for teams/players that were already good. This buff helps bad teams but makes the experience at higher level worse with that 20% nerf.

I swear if my fourth column is only crucible and gambit I may shoot my tv screen

@yukzerhilarvir

23 күн бұрын

same

@NoTalker_

14 күн бұрын

@@yukzerhilarvir same

I wish they had touched more exotics. They are touching like 20 out of like 120. There's too many that still suck.

@elijahwaggoner545

23 күн бұрын

You can't expect them to hit the entire list man

@Bidniss.

23 күн бұрын

It's the balance cycle. End of an expansion cycle means we're at the pinnacle of power creep -> the best things get nerfed to make room for the new stuff -> new stuff gets adjusted -> old stuff gets brought up to new standard -> keep powercreeping until the next expansion is announced -> enjoy being absolutely overpowered for a few months -> rinse repeat

@truv_

23 күн бұрын

@@Bidniss. ok

@christophertidwell2422

23 күн бұрын

They touched on most of the worst ones

@mystiquemareanie2868

23 күн бұрын

​@elijahwaggoner545 It's been 7 years since Mask of the quiet one got a buffed. I think you need to shut up on this one 😊

I refuse to do crucible. If it makes me do crucible I’m simply not gonna do it.

@pioneershark2230

22 күн бұрын

Go ahead

They gave renewal frost armour key words but not icefall mantle? Ya'know the exotic that slows you down but in turn gives you "stasis overshield". Might be just me but I feel like the exotic armour that gives ice armour should also have frost armour Edit: turns out it would be a *MASSIVE* nerf since it already gives 62.5% DR

@Michael-ee4uz

23 күн бұрын

Then it wouldn't stack with Frost Armor though.

@lucienmoolman8017

23 күн бұрын

​@@Michael-ee4uzyeah I just found out that glacial guard gives something like 62.5% DR. I don't know if it was always like that but now I really have a need to try it in a build in the legendary campaign

@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540

23 күн бұрын

That would be a ginormous nerf, going from 60% Dr to 32% on an only 100 hp overshield with a fairly long cooldown, would absolutely kill the exotic dead

@dawnables2731

23 күн бұрын

you do not want more things to be converted to Frost Armor. Part of the bad part of Frost Armor is that they are replacing stronger DR sources that stasis had with it.

@grottymink7784

23 күн бұрын

​​@@lucienmoolman8017 Icefall Mantle is usable on any subclass so give it a try on Berserker. With Wovenmail and tier 10 Resilience you'll have 90% DR. With Tangles, Grapple, Frenzied Blade, and an Eager Edge Slammer the movement penalties aren't really something to be concerned about.

31:27, shocking that people won't want to play a game mode that's been ignored by bungie for literal years now and another one where you have to deal with people who exclusively play that mode and have exclusively better guns than you because you only bother with pve rolls. I don't hate crucible, but I do know _forcing_ people into it is *not* going to boost numbers positively. It's going to result in people complaining about braindead teammates and stomps even more, because people who don't want to play pvp, are being made to go into pvp. The people who play gambit are already playing gambit. No one wants to be forced to see the three same maps over and over, while getting rolled by assholes like me who know how to skip past damage gates on the primevals.

@84m30

23 күн бұрын

It’s the idea that trying to funnel people who play the rest of the game into a side mode to be optimal is going to boost engagement or something. How do they not grasp that it won’t help? Destiny is a mmo lite rpg built on top of shooter gameplay. It’s not a pvp game. There’s a reason they didn’t update pvp for like 4 years: THEY DIDNT HAVE TO! Nobody outside the dedicated sweats/those who already enjoy it are going to start. We had a system that worked for everyone, and now they’ve thrown a wrench into it for the sake of change. PvE encompasses 98% of this games content for a reason: because that’s what people play.

One of the most underwhelming exotic passes. Hyped it up and said they would buff underperforming exotics but so many that have been underperforming for years were not touched in the slightest. Wish there had been a lot more buffing of useless exotics

@humu39

23 күн бұрын

Well aside from stasis having a chance to be good...the sandbox is in the same exact state it was. Great...

@castamere3368

23 күн бұрын

i REALLY hope that the beginning is implying that there is more changes that they have not stated as of yet.

@thecanadiankiwibirb4512

23 күн бұрын

Heavy handed intrinsic to Armamentarium like fuck off 😭 3 armor energy ahh exotic '''rework'''

@lordgrub12345

23 күн бұрын

@@humu39 I wouldn't say it is in the exact same state, for example stuff like well is getting a pretty big hit.

@lordgrub12345

23 күн бұрын

@@thecanadiankiwibirb4512 I saw and I immediately wanted to get to build crafting with it. Idk what you're on abt

Lucky pants continues to live up to its name.

Biggest thing with Pathfinder: Dont force me to play a certain activity (especially Crucible) to complete the path. You can easily split the 3 main activities into different paths with the same activity being able to be done across the path, but with the option to split off if wanted.

@yukzerhilarvir

23 күн бұрын

THIS!!! its so much better imagine forcing us playing stuff that we don't want

@michelangeluhhh

23 күн бұрын

Or... just play a few rounds of crucible, hey maybe you'll actually hit a couple shots after 3 games !

@xbladexfoxx

23 күн бұрын

@@michelangeluhhh No, non negotiable.

@pioneershark2230

23 күн бұрын

​@@xbladexfoxx then stick to seasonal weekly objectives, you want the extra rewards, play the activity.

@cgpxae2119

23 күн бұрын

@@michelangeluhhhor, play the game how I want? Instead of playing a dead mode that’s been bad for years

The convenience of pathfinder is great, but as far as "play the way you want" it is now potentially worse than before the rituals update. Back then you were limited to just one of the rewards if you only like one of the activities, now you might not be able to get even 1 reward if you refuse to play the ones you don't like. It's really going to depend on the objectives themselves, like if most/all the crucible ones can also be completed in onslaught (at a reduced rate), cause it's also for Shaxx. Edit: Ooo, that bright dust farming is enticing though.

Am I wrong for expecting way more exotic armor changes?

@Szerniel

23 күн бұрын

same, thought the list would keep on going

@MarigoldAW

20 күн бұрын

Erm what the deuce you don't like a total of 5 exotics being mandatory for literally every encounter?

Rip severance enclosire. Not being able to trigger it on offensive bullwark melees anymore is a huge nerf it didn’t need…

@mcgarbagenuggets8793

23 күн бұрын

Yeah it's gonna be trash now

@cyrus6461

23 күн бұрын

Dude the GRAPPLE PUNCH would trigger it, it was perfect with Strand... Welp guess I'm going Wormgod Caress now

@SmilingImp

23 күн бұрын

@@mcgarbagenuggets8793 hammer titan? strand titan? just pressing the finisher button? you are tripping

@jace5151

23 күн бұрын

Bungo patch

@DFH02

23 күн бұрын

Severence enclosure is infinitely better with finisher spam anyway

31:35 i see the vision. I don't give a crap about it though. I'm not playing Crucible. I'm not playing Gambit. To be forced to play those to get rewards that, as of now, we can currently get in just doing Vanguard is completely stupid

@calus_bath_water

23 күн бұрын

Cry harder

I love these videos where you read the article to us and add your thoughts! I can read them but half the time I just go “huh alright” so having someone more in tune with the game talk about it is nice! Don’t feel bad for not scripting the video is still a great watch!!

I do not like the pathfinder layout one bit cause it's just the whole thing back when we were forced into specific modes to progress the seasonal catalyst and now they are trying to pull that again with our rituals now instead of letting people grind it out as we want to. You'd think that Bungie would have learned that a lot of people do not like to be forced into specific modes for any specific reason but I guess they decided to take a step back and roll the dice again with forcing people to interact with things they don't want to. And they seemed to be doing so well too then massive ability and armour nerfs and now this.

@EchoDoctrine

23 күн бұрын

IF it does force players to play things they don’t want to play… we riot. Flood the forums with your voices

@Altoryu

23 күн бұрын

@@EchoDoctrine The preview images already seem to suggest as such so... I just hope they get enough flak for it that they retune it so people CAN choose how they want to go about things.

@Altoryu

7 күн бұрын

Two weeks on and surprise surprise already reports of people being shoehorned into other activities due to the pathfinder. GG Bungie I guess

@EchoDoctrine

6 күн бұрын

@@Altoryu I said it !! Frankly it was obvious, anyone could see this coming. The D1 days when players were forced to play activities they didn’t wanna play to get Thorn or other exotics. And Bungie changed it. They never learn.

29:00 totally agree, don't force me to play PvP. Fuck off Bungie.

I'm 99% sure that bungie execs have just implemented a monthly L quota, where there has to be a certain amount of BAD changes every month, or else a wave of layoffs occur.

I was really bummed by this update considering yesterday's was pretty good.

Can't wait for grinding out my rewards in gambit after years of no new gambit content 🙃

There's one thing I know. I ain't getting challenged into any Crucible match. It ain't happening

15:43 I hate it. It means that we won't be able to use Severance explosion after explosion like we can now. Because Knockout and other aspects like it normally makes your unpowered melee, a powered, allowing you to get explosion after explosion. With this change, we will now only get the explosions after spending a melee charge. Melee charges that can take several seconds to get back unless you build into them specifically or use Monte. They just killed Severance in my eyes. I am beyond shattered, and f*cking pissed, because now it means the Prismatic build I had in mind with Spirit of Severence/Spirit of Contact is dead in it's crib.

@SmilingImp

23 күн бұрын

PRO TIP: actually use your finisher

@CephalonAxii

23 күн бұрын

@@SmilingImp I barely used the finisher function. Mostly because by the time the enemy is in the finisher state, they die by my teammates or some random explosion, or threading, or whatever. At least with melee’s and the aspects, I could one shot ads and get the explosions that way. Easier, quicker, and far less effort. But after this update goes live, that’s out the window. Hence my frustration.

My guess about the change to not seeing cenotaph targets is because now, if two players are using it, they need to know which targets are for each of them to kill.

@benkerber7780

23 күн бұрын

Ahhh that kinda makes sense but it’ll be way more annoying to know when I’ve successfully marked a target for my team to take down so i hope they can give some sort of indication

The Monkey's Paw man. At this fucking point we may as well call it "Bungie's Patch" because every single FUCKING time there's finally a good high-point in the game/community at large, Bungie releases the most unnecessary, unwanted, mood-killing nerfs that could possibly be fucking thought of.

@Asgaardiangatekeeper

23 күн бұрын

Yeah, this company and their pet streamers fucking suck.

@zeroghost115

23 күн бұрын

@@Asgaardiangatekeeper pet streamers?

@Asgaardiangatekeeper

23 күн бұрын

@@zeroghost115 Did I stutter? They didn't ask the community what they wanted, they invited a couple of streamers to their offices. That's all that needs to be said.

@davida1229

22 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Asgaardiangatekeeperyou genuinely believe that Bungie is the only companies that does this kind of things? It’s a form of focused feedback, not different from asking what a subreddit or a KZread comment section thinks, which they also do frequently. Whether they listen to that feedback or not is another matter, but that goes for Streamers as well. Not to mention, the “”community”” feedback you can find on Reddit or KZread is just as dogshit as the one of the streamers lmao

@Asgaardiangatekeeper

22 күн бұрын

@@davida1229 You may be happy funding these nerds little streamer fantasy's, but I'm tired of it, and a majority of the community is as well. Do you have any idea how many people are not buying the DLC now because of this? With the price they are selling it at, in USD, just in a few comment sections I was able to count $20K in lost potential revenue. That's just off the people who said they aren't going to preorder. That's not counting the people who said they were getting a refund.

Pathfinder: broaden your gameplay loop with a literal activity bottleneck.

@EchoDoctrine

23 күн бұрын

IF pathfinder forces players to do activities we don’t want to play…. We riot. Scream and flood the forums.

@harryrosson6639

23 күн бұрын

@@EchoDoctrine i PROMISE that 3 games of crucible/gambit are not gonna make ur head explode gamer, try something new every once in a while, gambit’s decent rn and crucible is cool w new maps

@xbladexfoxx

23 күн бұрын

@@harryrosson6639 Missing the point, no one should be forced to play anything they don't want to do just for weekly rewards.

@Agalloch1234

23 күн бұрын

@@xbladexfoxxIf you want raid/dungeon loot you need to play the raid/dungeon. If you want the weekly ritual activity loot, you need to play the ritual activities. It would not make sense to only play one version of the ritual activities to get weekly loot when the ritual activities are a collective of strikes, gambit, and crucible. Plus, no one is forcing you to do the weekly ritual reward, there are other ways to get powerful gear.

@pioneershark2230

23 күн бұрын

​@@xbladexfoxxyou're not forced to, but if you want extra xp and mats you need to enter some of the other activities the game has.

The bigger problem with the "challenge" to play outside comfort zone is that it 'challenges' you to do something or stall all progress. Maybe I'm wrong but that funnel worries me a lot.

@84m30

23 күн бұрын

You’re right. This isn’t challenging people. This objectively IS FORCING people. The system we have right now let’s anyone do whatever they want, while challenging themselves to get bonuses in the harder difficulty.

@pioneershark2230

23 күн бұрын

You really don't need that extra xp if you really don't want to play other activities, just stick to the seasonal weekly triumphs

@kathrynhawkins7911

23 күн бұрын

@@pioneershark2230it doesn’t just lock you out ofXP but also brightdust rewards (or vendor reputation for the destination pathfinder) which has different potential to lock you out of rewards also

@wonkybomb1865

23 күн бұрын

Yeah it’s dumb it’s literally them just trying to force engagement metrics up while net nerfing xp and bright dust gains. Less options for the player is always bad never good

@xincnos9657

22 күн бұрын

Yeah I fucking hate crucible and Gambit and was already annoyed by objectives that require pvp and now theirs just more of it

I agree, I really don't understand the removal of the Cenotaph marker for the wearer. I really liked knowing which target was marked, without having to remember it.

@connorthedude1

23 күн бұрын

I believe the reason for this was because of multiple people have it equipped, it would be hard to know which of the targeted enemies you need versus what your teammates need to kill

@reganator5000

23 күн бұрын

it means you can tell what other people have tagged, given shooting the same thing as another cenotaph player doesn't trigger the other effect.

@devastation3780

23 күн бұрын

@@connorthedude1 Okay that makes sense, and since the change above only refers to it not working on a single target would mean that this could still be an issue. But as the only warlock on my raid team, it makes me sad lol

@lordgrub12345

23 күн бұрын

@@devastation3780 yeah, but your teammates can always make callouts to you, so it isn't that bad. Although for solo players it is a bit of a bum.

@jakii3621

23 күн бұрын

@@connorthedude1 they could have just changed the color for ones you marked, there is no real reason for them to remove it entirely imo

I don't see the vision on this one because I think the idea behind this change is at odds with what's been presented. "We want Guardians to feel ownership over their engagement with these systems, with the ability to chart a course that matches the goals of their play session." With that thought in mind, my play session goals might include playing in one game mode the whole time. I think there should be at least one pathway for each game mode while leaving the option to branch out to other modes along the way. In the current set up they've touted player agency while simultaneously taking the bigger choice, game mode, away.

Mantle + Ager's was my go-to Stasis build for as long as it existed for higher level content, with the solid buff to Mantle and the Stasis changes I'm about to go nuts

so many terrible exotic armor that has been bad for YEARS, that deserved to be buffed, none of these changes shake up the meta in a positive way, it just makes the current meta worse, and they talked about it like there were gonna be some huge changes too, very disappointing

@wickedweavile4612

23 күн бұрын

At least they stayed true to the "we dont want to overdeliver" shit they spouted months ago

@christophertidwell2422

23 күн бұрын

Like what? Which exotics deserved to be buffed?

@slimyasparagus3573

23 күн бұрын

​@@christophertidwell2422 I'm still a new player here, but I can say with confidence that about half of Warlock's exotics are completely useless. Standing still midair when aiming, combining empowering and healing rifts into one, longer stormtrance... they're just so underwhelming that there's armor mods more beneficial than the exotic effects.

@angelj3928

23 күн бұрын

@@christophertidwell2422 Since you asked... Warlock: Skull of dire ahamkara Astrocyte Verse Geomag Stabalizers Titan: Mask of the quiet one Citan's Ramparts Phoenix Cradle No Backup Plans Hunter: Blight Ranger Graviton Forfeit Ahamkara's Spine Gwisin vest Raiju's Harness

@zeroghost115

23 күн бұрын

@@slimyasparagus3573 warlocks have the best choice of exotics, even if some are just better than others.

If they want us to play Gambit, they need to make Gambit better.

How can they use blight ranger, mask of the quiet one, the barricade grenade one, Prometheus spur, mk 44s, etc. and think they don’t need some help.

@lucienmoolman8017

23 күн бұрын

It took me a sec to realize the "barricade grenade one" is arbors warden

@lastwymsi

23 күн бұрын

Take arbor warden off that list, Arbor is very strong. Throwing bastions across map for PvE and and INCREDIBLE ammount of shenanigans you can do in PvP. Only reason you rarely see it is due to it taking skill to use to it's full potential. Theres a reason why all the big PvP d2 players on YT claim it as one of the best titan pvp exotics.

@mcgarbagenuggets8793

23 күн бұрын

​@lastwymsi stop with the cope. It's garbage at worst and a gimmick at best.

based off the description I think the ceno user not seeing their tag is to allow for multiple ceno players to be able to distinguish which targets have already been marked by someone else and what they need to kill versus what their teammates need to kill

@oneofthemrandoms

23 күн бұрын

This actually makes an insane amount of sense. Thank you.

@Greenfourth

23 күн бұрын

This is my thoughts as well. I still feel like there's probably a different way to distinguish that without taking info away from someone though.

@MultiKbarry

12 күн бұрын

Just make allied marks use a different color scheme. There’s no need to add an anti QoL feature.

sometimes it feels like bungie doesnt really understand opportunity cost

@hahaureadmyname

23 күн бұрын

there's almost no reason to ever use dragons shadow or triton vice when *much* stronger exotics like omnioculus, celestial nighthawk, and star-eater scales exist

@thomash8513

23 күн бұрын

@@hahaureadmynamedragon’s shadow is actually just really nice for dps swapping if fortracer didn’t exist that’d be the thing u would switch to after pre popping golden gun

I can't say that I'm disappointed about Young Ahamkara's Spine being untouched here because that would mean that I expected something in the first place. It does feel a bit contradictory to say they want to increase player agency and ownership over their play session but also introduce a system that limits the activities you can play for the Pathfinder reward.

Balidorse now gives you better resistance than a well with a cast of a rift. I wonder if the frost armour stacks with well resistance now, cause if you have a stasis warlock for great ad control, you could technically get back a bit of that immortality for bosses if you’re casting well and a rift together Granted, it does mean you’re not using an osmiomancy glove build, so you’re not exactly going to be as good as regular stasis warlock builds, but it’s still a neat thing to note

Bungie forcing us to play crucible and gambit like, why? Bungie is making all these changes like they have 1,000,000 consecutive dedicated players. They don't. In fact they might have to drop / slow other games in dev to keep Destiny going. Why would you force all this in 2 weeks, better yet why are we just now talking about it?

@EchoDoctrine

23 күн бұрын

So we can all go to the forums and flood them with comments and objections.

Sometimes one forgets that when bungie cooks They will also burn

The Frost Armor and Renewal Grasp changes feel like a nerf to the latter. Before, hunters could stack the gloves' DR with the stasis shard overshield from killing slowed enemies, but now its just the DR I guess it's cool that you can leave and keep the DR tho? Idk, I don't main them, I'd appreciate others' thoughts on it

@kingpikachuthethird

23 күн бұрын

Yeah it's really unfortunate. 40% DR instantly to a 36% DR over 8 seconds

@jq2762

23 күн бұрын

I honestly think its a good change. Stacking Frost Armor just by standing in the duskfield and being able to leave with it sounds great. Add this with the fact that Stasis Shards give you more Frost Armor and Health (if you have the aspect, forgot what its called) then Stasis Hunters are extremely survivable now

@theofficialthehomedepottmy9160

23 күн бұрын

its a nerf to the dr and the time to get it, but it makes it easier to stay healthy since you dont need to stay glued to your aoe, so you can just dip in to refresh

@lukatosic09

23 күн бұрын

It's a buff and a nerf, the ability to get frost armor from any shards will also help greatly

@wood5596

23 күн бұрын

The overshield was terrible anyway, and renewal grasp still keeps the damage reduction on enemies inside. With whisper of rime you have more DR than old renewal grasps but you lose out on whisper of chains DR. So its a net nerf in DR, but you basically have almost woven mail levels of DR up perm if you use renewal grasps, and slightly weaker DR for ur entire fireteam. You can also just throw duskfields at enemies now if you have max frost armor, and benefit from renewals without standing in it. Yes you have to build it up but when you're max frost armor, played correctly you can just have it permanently. Its the only easily accessible source of teamwide frost armor in the game, so imo its more of a buff. But we'll just have to see, maybe the DR changes just make it not worth.

I can already see a problem with that Gambit challenge:"Summon 3 Primevals" ... Huh, hello? Some Gambit matches end BEFORE you get to bank all your motes! Way to waste more time, ggs y'all. Also also, once you summon your third Primeval, guess you're good to go and can leave the match early. Again, hello?? Why can't Bungie just see this obvious behaviour in advance?

Super cute how everytime datto talks about which golden gun he's talking about, he does the finger guns for us visual learners.

I believe the cenotaph targets will still be highlighted, just not marked. My initial reaction was the same as yours however.

we need more sources for those exotic weapon focusing thingys

Yeah if there is a gambit node in my preferred path to the loot... yikes. Almost no loot is worth doing gambit with blueberries

I believe having Roaring Flames active and using an uncharged melee counted as "Powered Melee".

If they force pvp or gambit I'll simply not be interacting with the Pathfinder system.

@lordgrub12345

23 күн бұрын

From what the UI they shared entails, I think you won't need them.

@DunkMyNuts

23 күн бұрын

Ok

Pretty sure the powered melee change is specifically to prevent the Spirit of Caliban from working with Combination Blow on Prismatic. Which... I get it, but I sure was looking forward to that.

I'm sincerely of the mind that buildcrafting is a myth in Destiny; it exists purely on a superficial level, and the constant rotation of the meta, inconsistent mod behaviors, and an over-reliance on the seasonal artifact is why.

@TheFallinhalo

23 күн бұрын

we need Warframe And division 2 Levels of Buildcrafting. is the games balance going to break? yes. will it be overall better for the game? Fuck YEAH it will. i just slap on whatever works for a given build and off to the races, because theirs nothing else i need to do ro think about. we began to experiment with build crafting with warmind cells and such, and then bungie "no nono we cant have that, its too fun" and nuked em from the game. playing Division 2 i love coming up with new interesting and even qwerky builds. and then having ones that seek to accomplish a certain goal, like Morter Turrets, or providing beneficial buffs to teammates when in the 8 player PvE activie Countdown. Destiny needs more things to actually build into, for one we need actual set effects outside of useless "get 5% more rep for the seasonal activitie"

Also ALL armor just needs a free raid armor spot. The raid armor drops in the 50s. No one is changing their builds, just make all armor have raid mod slot.

@edwardsmall6013

23 күн бұрын

Fax I’ve never gotten a good armor drop from a raid ever they’ve all been ass.

@Asgaardiangatekeeper

23 күн бұрын

Good gear in this game, drops exclusively from Master level content.

I want to shake the dev that said Severance needed a HUGE double nerf by the shoulders, WHY? WHY? WHY? Literally who the fuck is gonna use this over Precious Scars and fucking Synthos\Wormgods??????????

@brandendunagan8822

23 күн бұрын

They made the explosion more vertical and made it not go through walls, how is that huge? Chill with the melodrama, this community has enough of that already.

@lady_legs1968

23 күн бұрын

@@brandendunagan8822you also can't proc it with knockout punches anymore

@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540

23 күн бұрын

@@brandendunagan8822 The Line Of Sight changes are a gigantic nerf, this means it could be possible for it to get blocked by the slimmest terrain(also it SPECIFICALLY received this buff in its recent rework), and another gigantic nerf is the removal of Knockout, Roaring Flames, and Offensive Bulwark punches activating this exotic. It was already a fairly niche option that was beaten by Waveframe GLs adclear wise, there was no reason it should’ve gotten shafted. TLDR: Chill with the misinformation, the community has enough of that already

@brandendunagan8822

23 күн бұрын

@@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540 What do you mean misinfo? We are both speculating about a change we don't have in our hands on yet. I am not sure how old you are but most adults understand disagreements about not purely factual topics and especially speculative topics are just that: disagreements. Firstly you have no idea how the line of sight changes will sit. It is entirely possible that it just prevents it from going through walls and is implemented properly. Secondly I have not seen a single person that uses that exotic outside of strand (or void when you could chain special ammo and empowering finishers). I guess your nerf you should be annoyed about is the one for into the fray but whatever. I play this game a lot and have played with that exotic for a reasonable amount of time. I am confident these changes will not move the bar if the line of sight changes are done properly.

@Asgaardiangatekeeper

23 күн бұрын

​@@brandendunagan8822Get bungies meat out of your mouth.

Finally, we have umbra forma

No cause like Prismatic Titan with an exotic class item with both the Abeyant Leap and Khepri's spirit is going to go SO HARD now with that buff to khepris ASSUMING it carries over to the spirit version as well

@lordgunther4674

23 күн бұрын

That’s what came to my mind too!! I was like “grapple grenade kephria horn for a PvP build” but I forgot about the new class items

I have an obsession with mantle of battle harmony. I love pairing with it travelers chosen bc mantle handles super regen and damage buff, TC takes care of ability regen, bring a DPS heavy and a medium/long range energy weapon and you’re set. It’s my elemental chameleon build I’ve used since Mantles addition and it’s awesome.

i can finally use ballidorse wrathweavers \o/

stoked for my new 2-3 things I have an opinion on today

I wish they elaborated on Ammo scouts and scavengers, because my friends and I feel like Finders, scouts and scavengers are straight up bugged. Scavengers rarely if ever actually provide a noticeable increase to how much ammo gained compared to without. Finders being explained makes a difference but scouts still feel like a placebo.

@Ellingmint

23 күн бұрын

Scouts seem to work the way my friends and I expect. Remember they only trigger on finder bricks and finder spawns are only triggered by weapon kills. Abilities have no impact on your finder counter. If you're in a group with tons of jolt and unravel applications I wouldn't be surprised that you see little to no finder bricks spawning even if you're all running finders and scouts at the same time.

Since it isnt mentioned, it seems like icefall mantle wont be changed, and well be able to have the overshield on top of stasis armour. Could be an interesting combo

If I have to touch crucible and gambit, this system can fuck right off. Don't force me to do pvp

Hell yea Datto vid

I will have my own opinion Incrediblely disappointed skull of dire ahamkara didnt get a buff, its useless in its current state I would turn it into the "cuirass of falling stars" of nova bombs I would also give it and curiass a siphon effect, cuirass would get a arc siphon and skull a void siphon so that they're more useful outside of just being a swap exotic Idk what shards of galanor does now but i would do the same thing to it as well. I would also fix the model because in game galanor looks super weird and it leaves a massive gap on the shoulder socket area, they look like twigs sticking out of the body

32:00 to illustrate my viewpoint on this: Lucky Pants is my favorite exotic, it enables the playstyle I enjoy the most, but to get malfesance, I have to play gambit, so I don't have malfesance.

You correct about the forced thing. There is not many things that will convince me to play gambit. It would have to be very good rewards

Thanks for saying that at the start

I quite like glaives, and triton vice, so I'm glad it's getting buffs!

The Cenotaph Marker Removal is the opposite of helpful. 100% agree with you.

@TheGerardo136

23 күн бұрын

Exactly makes it harder for matchmaking solo players.

@davidfrazier3585

23 күн бұрын

It may be to give a visual indicator if two warlocks are still using Cenotaph. Now, if you see a tag, you know another lock tagged it before you and you should switch to a different target.

Pathfinder is gonna be divisive if they truly do force you into a ritual you do not like

@EchoDoctrine

23 күн бұрын

IF it is like that we riot. Flood the forums with thoughts and our objections. If they force players to do activities and game modes players don’t want to play…. Red line. Riot.

I was kinda interested in seeing Sixth Coyote being mentioned, seeing as it's the exotic I've had glued to my Hunter since Season of Undying (meant I could ignore the mobility stat entirely with my playstyle) But the addition of innate Reaper isn't enticing enough at all. So I'm definitely going to be dropping it for the first Exotic Class Item that I get with Spirit of Coyote, regardless of what the second effect is.

That MoB change is going to be massive. Since I normally used it for the damage and rebuilding super between boss phases. It should effectively give some people 100% uptime now for supers.

That powered melee performance for assasins cowl is specifically targeting and killing its use on Strand hunter because you do not spend a melee charge to grapple melee and go invisible at landing from the grapple. You only spend a melee on strand when throwing the dart which kills nothing.

I was hoping they'd require alloys instead of ciphers for that artifice slot. I got a boat load of those things laying around. Bummer.

Just this week, i found out about launching to the destination for the Quest Detail's. And i found out that there is a whole other half of the dreaming city that i have pretty much never touched.

Unless Bungie puts that red subclass at the end of that Pathfinder track, I'm not getting any reward that's locked behind a gambit objective.

Yeah the Cipher for the Exotic upgrade is a little steep but i think they'll be adding more ways to get Ciphers im sure in the Final Shape with these changes being implemented overall im excited to see all the changes live

So, if I'm reading this one about Assassin's Cowl right, it's basically killed surviability via healing for Strand Hunters. The melee kill from Grapple grenade swipes allowed us to move around the battlefield and use kills from the grapple melee to trigger the health regin and invis, at the cost of forcing us to play more aggressively and use grapple offensively. But while it counts as a powered melee, it doesn't consume melee energy. Meaning that the only subclass that can really benefit from this are Solar and Arc, as Arc can very rapidly regen their melee through Combination Blow and Gamblers, and Solar can get it back through knife kills while radiant. Hell, even Stasis can *sorta* do this on because of how Stasis shards work. But it ultimately means that Strand Hunters - who have no innate way of regenning HP and, as nice as DR from Woven Mail is, is currently the only way to play aggressively and survive as a purely strand Hunter without relying on something like Devour from Buried Bloodlines, Wormhusk Crown, or Crimson/Suros Regime, none of which really fall into the "Strand" identity. Maybe I'm just playing poorly, but it seems like DR can't compare to Health Regen at even Legend-difficulty encounters, especially against enemies with high rates of fire like Wizards, Ogres, and Knights using the solar splitter.

Can't wait for next expansion to where I have absolutely zero reason to ever set foot in a social space or patrol zone in this game they're still advertising as an action mmo.

Yeah if I'm forced to play pvp to progress on the pathfinder thing then it's useless to me. I'm never playing pvp.

@callen3570

23 күн бұрын

It's such a bizarre choice. I don't mind PvP but I have to really feel like it because it stresses me out and I often play to relax. Can't see it creating a larger, healthier PvP scene. Just pissing everyone off yet again by changing something that didn't need changing.

@Isiahkan

23 күн бұрын

​@@callen3570 Bungies going to be looking at the stats and wondering why so many people aren't passing certain levels if we are forced to pvp to get past.

i wont be touching crucible or gambit unless my clanmates are on. I despise those gamemodes so no loot for me :)

I had no idea you could launch stuff from the quest menu

Thanks for the info. Like others, I'm definitely a bit annoyed that Pathfinder will inevitably force Crucible or Gambit. It would be nicer if the final column was like a final challenge for your preferred modes. For example: Vanguard option - complete a Master Nightfall (not GM tho, which I think allows more players to be able to do it). Crucible option: win a Trials match. Something that lets people who enjoy that content do the hardest version of it, rather than railroad people into modes they don't like.

Sixth Coyote is actually my current favorite way to run Strand. Double Clones, double Shackle Grenade, 4x the fun :D

So with some exotic that ask for specific super element, does that mean...I can do combination blow with Bakris head armor when using prismatic hunter with Stasis super? Please let this be a thing. I really despise the cooldown lockout from bakris. Idk y it's still a thing after years.

@tony1990

23 күн бұрын

Current text in DIM says it requires being on a stasis subclass, so unless that gets changed to needing a stasis super equipped instead I would say it's probably going to be locked to Stasis only

Any other warlocks also wondering if promethium spur will work with weavers call on prismatic. Been going through exotics I never use and that idea came to mind.

Wonder if the ammo finder sticks around after wipes too then?

32:00 it would be cool if maybe the more pathfinders you clear, you get to start making choices on what kinds of pathfinders you can get. Like a rogue like that gives you a set of bonuses that you pick what you want

the ursas change let the Spirit of the Bear give just the bonus super energy to any super in prismatic again if Unbreakable is actually good you can just use it to fuel any of the other supers

Everyone complaining about crucible but you wouldn’t catch me dead in the vanguard strike playlist. The strike playlist is so easy it makes me want to Minecraft myself whenever I have to play it. Hero nightfalls aren’t any better. Also probably the stingiest activity in the game loot wise. At least crucible keeps my brain from rapidly detiorating due to lack of stimulation. Gambit is Gambit and needs a complete overhaul/remake.

Synthocels seething at Ursachads this week

A better system would have been "Here's all 20 challenges. Finish 5 of them."

Keep your eyes on mantle of battle harmony. Same-type weapons WITH thresh are going to give you upwards of 5% super PER KILL, with no cooldown, and without including orbs, mods, etc. The 25% damage buff at 4x surge lets you skip surge mods and stacks with other buffs. Before the changes, it's already pretty solid and low-effort.

@spaceboyg

22 күн бұрын

Intrigued to see what it does with Prismatic, especially if it gives kinetic surge. Chromatic Fire could be interesting as well, although the effect might just default to the super you have equipped.

See I love running Zaouli's with Ager's Scepter so the Mantle buff could lead to some insane uptime on the Ager's super beam

What’s the point of these vendors then? What’s the point of social spaces? Everything is done via menus, event vendors are always in the middle of the tower instead of specific areas like why? The tower just feels so barebones with all these changes over the years

Felwinter's Helm triggers on Grapple Melee kills... is that dead now with the powered melee > spending a melee charge change? I'm assuming it is, and if so I'm real sad about that 😭

@smushycows2334

23 күн бұрын

it does still consume the grapple charge, I assume it will still be considered a powered melee. I think it more applies to things like knockout where you just punch on repeat

Man, I LOVE the Severance Enclosure build. Why the nerf?! Needing LOS is basically a nerf. Just mess with the audio... I'm a hunter main. I meme on my titan

@Ellingmint

23 күн бұрын

It was fun while it lasted. I still don't really understand why it got the last buff it did. The first one was more than sufficient. Unless they significantly increase the damage I'm probably not using it anymore after the charged melee interaction change. Back to doomfang if I want to meme around in midlevel content I guess.

15:08 also annoying for when you accidentally mark the wrong champion in a GM for example and you gotta wait before switching.. ..now without the marker you wont always know whether it actually switched

That Powered melee nerf actually really stings. When you consider that Roaring Flames, Knockout and Offensive bullwark will ALL be affected by this change, they just indirectly nerfed those classes, especially HOIL Titans. This just feels so unnecessary. I know alot of these Nerfs are needed to reign in power creep, but man these nerfs over the last few days feel like a Gut punch before final shape. I have No idea what build im looking forward to using atm.

I. DONT. WANT. TO. PLAY. GAMBIT. BUNGIE.

@17:30 Wait, didn't bungie mention a few Twabs back that Xur is getting a rework in TFS? They might actually make Exotic Ciphers less tedious of a grind

I think people are misunderstanding the change to Cenotaph. Maybe I’m wrong tbh, but how I’m interpreting it is the red glow stays and the X goes away. The Cenotaph user doesn’t really need that loud marker on their screen because they’re the one who’s applying the effect.