Evolution of Goth Music

Where did goth music come from and how has it evolved over the years? This video is a brief overview of the history of goth and related genres.
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  • @creepyskulldini581
    @creepyskulldini581 Жыл бұрын

    Another British Punk era group that I think were particularly influential on what became Goth, and that don't get cited often in connection to it, were The Stranglers. That group had some songs that were pretty creepy and dark, like No More Heros, Strange Little Girl, The Raven, Golden Brown, All Roads Lead To Rome, and Everyone Loves Ya When Your Dead,

  • @newishwavemusic

    @newishwavemusic

    6 ай бұрын

    Good call! I’ve heard they were icons for Robert Smith in the early days…

  • @Amalkavs
    @Amalkavs5 жыл бұрын

    girlllll we need (I NEED) more videos from you, you are literally new here but I LOVE your videos, finally a gothtuber that actually talks about music lol love youuu xx bb

  • @ghoulgoil5029
    @ghoulgoil50295 жыл бұрын

    I agree with you that Bauhaus was the start of goth music. Peter Murphy is the grandfather of Goth. In the 80’s “goth” wasn’t a word. So us kids listened to anything “alternative” which was for me (depending on where you lived) (I’m from the south US) violent femmes, the clash, Echo and the Bunnymen, the Cure, the Cult, Susie Sue, Joy Divion, etc. Music is an individual required taste. There is so much out there.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Definitely! The terms “Post Punk” and “Goth” were retroactively applied to these groups of music later on. I think “Punk” and “New Wave” were the only labels I mentioned that were actually used at the time.

  • @josepha5885

    @josepha5885

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly In the 80s, among my circle of ghoulish friends, we refereed to ourselves as either a grim guy or grim girl. I didn't hear goth be used until the mid 90s.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    4 жыл бұрын

    Joseph A That’s pretty consistent with a lot of other 80’s goths have said. It seems that “goth” as a term really came into play in the 90’s.

  • @keithbate9405

    @keithbate9405

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly I was there in England during the Punk /New Wave (of rock music) period . Futurism was a word that started to be applied in the late 70's eg John Foxx /Ultravox /Gloria Mundi. Then the New Romantics appeared who were an offshoot of Futurism . Goth was another offshoot of late 70's New Wave and started with Pete Murphy and Bauhaus. ps note in England New Wave has a different meaning to what people use it in the US. In England Joy Division, Simple Minds, Magazine and the Only Ones were New Wave. In the US bands like Culture Club and the Thompson Twins are seen as New Wave. To me these were simply new pop bands .

  • @keithbate9405

    @keithbate9405

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Steve H I was also "there " at the time . Myself and my friends used the term "New Wave" to describe bands who were more musically sophisticated and technically proficient than Punk bands eg Magazine, Simple Minds, Joy Division etc. I did not hear the expression "post punk" until 20 years later. As you say it was never used to describe a genre but a period in time . Now it is used as a genre in itself and is not historically accurate and is unnecessary. Punk and New Wave are enough . Goth was an offshoot of New Wave. For another thing Punk has never gone away so how can there be post Punk ? It is an Oxymoron.

  • @veng0v
    @veng0v3 жыл бұрын

    beginner goth here(ha idk what to call myself): thank you so much for making this video!!

  • @glitchtastic8889

    @glitchtastic8889

    3 жыл бұрын

    beginner goths typically are known as “babybats” :)

  • @PaulA-fp3vs

    @PaulA-fp3vs

    2 жыл бұрын

    Don't identify yourself as beginner goth or any other dumb labels like that. Just enjoy the music.

  • @bigboybashy6259

    @bigboybashy6259

    9 ай бұрын

    The proper term is fledgling

  • @tisteatime

    @tisteatime

    9 ай бұрын

    you're a baby bat!

  • @PaulA-fp3vs

    @PaulA-fp3vs

    8 ай бұрын

    @@box0choco593 I am not mad, where did you gather that from?

  • @bunny-bunny-bunny
    @bunny-bunny-bunny5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I've been slowly getting into goth music, on a song by song case. I know I centrate around a few types of goth music but I'm just not sure about the subcategories yet (Especially because I'll really like a song/artist in a specific genre, then find another artist from the same genre and not be so fond). I've also slowly had more of the punky stuff growing on me- it's something I like listening to but would never seek out, but that's starting to change :> It's a breath of fresh air to see goths discuss the genres, as well as recommend songs within those.

  • @GradyBroyles

    @GradyBroyles

    4 жыл бұрын

    Just start with Bauhaus and work your way outward from there. Bauhaus didn't think of themselves as goth. That didn't exist at the time. They were just a post-punk band with a dark sound. It was BECAUSE of Bela Lugosi's Dead appearing in the opening scene Tony Scott's 1983 "The Hunger" that they became the definers of the sound that we now call gothic rock.

  • @benjaminwalczak2701
    @benjaminwalczak27014 жыл бұрын

    Postpunk and Gothic has been strongly influenced by Psychadelic Rock. This Genre you should have mentioned. (Velvet Underground, David Bowie) And of course the German Band "Kraftwerk", without them there wouldn't be any Wave.

  • @gothadelic9396

    @gothadelic9396

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dont forget The Doors

  • @GradyBroyles

    @GradyBroyles

    4 жыл бұрын

    David Bowie produced a lot of Bauhaus' music. Bauhaus performed Ziggy Stardust and David Bowie performed Telegram Sam. Bauhaus' version of Ziggy Stardust is IMO superior to Bowie's original.

  • @theultrawarrior7448

    @theultrawarrior7448

    3 жыл бұрын

    The vocals! Jim Morrison. Blessings

  • @trtr-bc3zl

    @trtr-bc3zl

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@theultrawarrior7448 Jim Morrison wanted to sound like Frank Sinatra 😂

  • @theultrawarrior7448

    @theultrawarrior7448

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@trtr-bc3zl And Goth wanted to sound like Jim 😅 Be blessed

  • @octavia88
    @octavia885 жыл бұрын

    I wish you would have continued further with the timeline in the 90's and 80's EBM :O

  • @robinchesterfield42
    @robinchesterfield422 жыл бұрын

    This is fascinating, not only because it's educational and gives specific examples, but because I am starting to see now why I KINDA gravitate towards bits of goth culture without quite being a goth actually--I'm into the _related_ branches of music. Like New Wave and the "very goth adjacent" bands from the early '80s you mentioned. Where synths and poppy tunes mix with darker or spookier themes, that's where I come in. :)

  • @ThreadBomb

    @ThreadBomb

    10 ай бұрын

    Did you ever hear "Send me an angel" by Real Life?

  • @cranialnerveus
    @cranialnerveus Жыл бұрын

    Great video. Lots of info and insight! Thank you!

  • @rickonnye2001
    @rickonnye20013 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video with great information thanks 👍👍👍

  • @vaguelygloomy652
    @vaguelygloomy6525 жыл бұрын

    Love this! While I’m definitely not goth however as someone whose alternative I appreciate the goth sub culture and love leaning more about it! Would love to see a vid just like this but on the fashion as well! Keep up the great work!

  • @xavfin
    @xavfin19 күн бұрын

    Really good and compact introduction to the subject. Great work!

  • @newishwavemusic
    @newishwavemusic6 ай бұрын

    Super informative and clear video, thank you! 🎶

  • @itstiphaknee
    @itstiphaknee5 жыл бұрын

    YOURE SO LOVELY!!! 🖤🖤 Such a great video. Super informative

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @persefonerestinpeace7982
    @persefonerestinpeace79825 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Amazing travel through music 💜

  • @gothichomemaker9511
    @gothichomemaker95115 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! Thank you for contributing great information into the conversation.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Gothic Homemaker Thank you so much! 🦇

  • @lelandmyllari
    @lelandmyllari5 жыл бұрын

    Help omg i hope u make more vids soon. Im enjoying your channel a lot and will share it with friends

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! My channel is pretty new. I plan to upload one to two new videos each week. 😊

  • @darkforest2933
    @darkforest29334 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video so used to Goths being like our music is obscure it's obscure and then giving a hand full of examples this video really demyistifys it

  • @cindyr4459
    @cindyr44595 жыл бұрын

    Great content, thanks!

  • @violethuff145
    @violethuff1454 жыл бұрын

    This video came up as a suggestion for me, so I clicked on it and I just want to say I love your style, you're adorable! Also, I love your speaking voice, I could listen to you talk all day! Thanks for making awesome videos about goth:)

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! 😊

  • @ObsidianContraption
    @ObsidianContraption3 жыл бұрын

    Great run down of great bands! Love Clan of Xymox! This popped up randomly in my feed, but good Stuff👀👍

  • @richieb777
    @richieb7772 жыл бұрын

    Great Video. Very informative.

  • @goth_dude6874
    @goth_dude68743 жыл бұрын

    Well done sister! I am from UK and was there , you nailed it bang on , that's exactly how it went down , I started listening to Siouxsie and the banshees and then the rest is history , not many people know Robert Smith spent some time with the Banshees

  • @marymclove7153
    @marymclove71533 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all the bands I need to check out 🖤 I am very open to listening to any music 🖤I love the goth scene.

  • @xxgothqueenxx4142
    @xxgothqueenxx41425 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely love this video!!!

  • @mikehardy6248
    @mikehardy62482 жыл бұрын

    I just stumbled onto your videos and like them I grew up into punk rock in the 80s and there wasn't a lot of weirdos back then so we united no mater what music you listened to but since we all hung out welistened rock all types of stuff punk Ska death rock new wave so it's kinda cool to hear you talk about bands I haven't heard in years so thanks for the video's

  • @kevininrb
    @kevininrb4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Nice to see some bands get mentioned that can easily be overlooked these days. Notions of "what is goth," "what is punk," and "what is post punk" were not particularity segregated back then. There were subtle differences in sound and style, but they didn't translate into different "cultures" back then. Christian Death played with the Angelic Upstarts. 45 Grave played with Black Flag or the Circle Jerks. I'd run into the same people at shows as diverse as Fear, the Germs, the Gun Club, the Cramps, Johanna Went, Nervous Gender, the Flesh Eaters, Savage Republic, or the Fall. What eventually became considered "goth" certainly grew from the rather dark, moody, somewhat cynical and dystopian tendencies of post punk music that evolved after the initial period of punk rebelliousness faded with the realization that punks could not remake the world as they saw fit.

  • @kimsteen7031
    @kimsteen70314 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @Themaskedprincess
    @Themaskedprincess5 жыл бұрын

    ugh youtube needs more videos like this! Thank you

  • @void.valkyrie6516
    @void.valkyrie65165 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE your content!

  • @fergglefraggle520
    @fergglefraggle5205 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! I subscried! I'm a little surprised you didn't dive more into the the early industrial scene that came out of no-wave! But hey, maybe that just means you haven't heard it yet! It might be up your alley. Look into some stuff like SWANS, Coil or Annie Anxiety! I think you'd enjoy it. Stay cool, homie!

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey, thanks for the support! I actually am familiar with industrial and those artists. I respect the industrial scene but it’s not really my thing. Industrial has its own rich history and evolution so I didn’t think it would be fair for the goth subculture to take credit for it, even though a lot of goths also participate the industrial scene. Thank you for the subscription! 😃

  • @rainbowrotcod
    @rainbowrotcod5 жыл бұрын

    The only time I've ever clicked on an advertisement!

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Welcome! 😊🦇

  • @SatiDevi444
    @SatiDevi4445 жыл бұрын

    Wonderfully made video 👏 you have great taste and you're very knowledgeable, it's quite refreshing actually. I just saw Clan of Xymox and Peter Murphy! They were amazing. Especially Peter Murphy his voice is so amazing.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Tish Orth That’s amazing! I’m going to see Clan of Xymox in November, I’m pretty excited!! 😊

  • @SatiDevi444

    @SatiDevi444

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly 😀

  • @FrozenCharlottes
    @FrozenCharlottes4 жыл бұрын

    Well done 🖤🖤🖤

  • @cyxx414
    @cyxx4144 жыл бұрын

    i learn so much thank you

  • @j_sackperson3664
    @j_sackperson36644 жыл бұрын

    Você é incrível! Adorei você! Bravíssimo vídeo.

  • @mrcs6686
    @mrcs6686 Жыл бұрын

    good job I liked the video.

  • @mjep1835
    @mjep18355 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I was wondering what was the song playing in the background when you were talking about punk? Thank you!

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! It's a song from the KZread free music library called "Half Pipe" by Huma-Huma Here it is: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hn6GupOact3Mnps.html

  • @brittanypaulsness8000
    @brittanypaulsness80005 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for posting this content I found it very helpful in brushing up on goth history. I heard at least one to three music groups that I've already heard of and you and some people in the comments gave me more sound to explore. I have been goth since 7th grade and I'm 19 now but I don't know any goth where I live. There were hardly any at school growing up(if any) . Not like I spoke to anyone to find out either. Wish I had the money for more goth cloths and i am not sure where to get them either. I've tried looking online to shop for them but they seem so expensive. If you or anyone else has an eye for where to buy some good goth cloths for cheap I would be very grateful. 😅

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Brittany, welcome! I actually plan to make a video on how to get involved in the goth community without going to events. I'm hoping to put that out sometime this week. I couldn't afford to go to events until I was in my mid-twenties. So, I definitely feel for that struggle. As for finding goth-friendly fashion on a budget, I use Amazon a lot and plan to post about affordable fashion options on my blog at the below URL: cadaverkelly.com/category/fashion-and-beauty/

  • @brittanypaulsness8000

    @brittanypaulsness8000

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly thank you so much an and I look forward to watching the upcoming videos on your channel! 😄 Keep uploading 🦇🖤

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! I'm hoping to upload a new video each week :)

  • @earthbruja5268

    @earthbruja5268

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@brittanypaulsness8000 thrift stores! Ebay and amazon are all great for special gems or even basics. Search for black lace dress or black lace tops. Black skirts. Black boyfriend tops and you can jazz it all up with necklaces and chokers that you can also get for real cheap. You don't need to buy killstar. Although they do have killer sales at times.

  • @-belue-6697

    @-belue-6697

    5 жыл бұрын

    Brittany Paulsness...Check out OFHERBSANDALTARS video he just put out about how to pick affordable Goth clothes...Not only just thrifting...He also made a part one as well and speaking of KILLSTAR, he made a video about that company quite recently as well...Easy to find these videos if you just check out the most recent oneS...He makes videos on all types of topics, but regarding affordable clothes AND some thoughts about KILLSTAR...there you go! 🎃🐾🐲🦄👑🎩🌈 🏳️‍🌈 🤖👽👻💀🧛 🧛‍♂️ 🏰 🧟‍♀️ 🧟‍♂️ ✌️🖖🤘🙏🏽☯️ 🕊️ ☮️

  • @jaredmcclendon8671
    @jaredmcclendon86714 жыл бұрын

    it resonates with so many of us and brings us together.it makes us all unique.

  • @Accumortis
    @Accumortis5 жыл бұрын

    This was a really great video! I just discovered your channel and I'm super happy to see more stuff talking about the history of goth music. I totally get what you mean by keeping it simple for newcomers with the main 3 genres (and I agree those are the most important!), but I think coldwave should've gotten a brief mention. Even though it's technically the French/Belgian version of post-punk, it was very different from the UK's version as it focused on minimalism and embraced electronics early on -- but it was as equally as important for sculpting what would be defined as goth music in the late-80s and beyond. Many of today's new goth bands (Lebanon Hanover, Forever Grey, Hapax, Second Still, etc.) likely wouldn't be making the stuff they do without what the 80s coldwave bands laid down before them. But maybe that would've been a bit too much to slip into a basic introductory video! Regardless, I think you did a really great job.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Accumortis Thank you so much!! I actually am making a more detailed video getting into music organizational theory and will be mentioning Coldwave and Ethereal Wave in it.

  • @Accumortis

    @Accumortis

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly Awesome! Can't wait to see it!

  • @ingajeffrey1978
    @ingajeffrey19783 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video! What was the name of the song playing in the background while you mentioned Sisters of Mercy?

  • @CCela1608
    @CCela16085 жыл бұрын

    Found you via an ad and instantly subscribed!! Cute, goth, well spoken, and did I mention cute?? 😀

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Cat Cela Ojo Thank you so much! Welcome 😊

  • @ademcanvaner2567
    @ademcanvaner25675 жыл бұрын

    What a lovely introduction! I watched this video with a hand on my heart thinking that you're a black angel that has come down from above. 🖤🖤🖤 I hope your channel grows exponentially and puts channels like that of ReeRee Philips and ToxicTears "out of business". It would have been nice to see you go more into details with ethereal wave and synth-pop, but a great start nonetheless! I am subscribing right away! Some of my favourite goth bands are: Merciful Nuns, Nosferatu, Rosetta Stone, Faith and the Muse, The Frozen Autumn, Clan of Xymox, BlutEngel, London After Midnight, Paralysed Age, and Siouxsie Sioux.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Those are some great picks! I definitely will be doing more videos getting deeper into genres and styles. This one was a very high-level overview meant to be easy to understand for anyone who isn’t very familiar with goth. 🦇

  • @ademcanvaner2567

    @ademcanvaner2567

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly Thank you! I figured that was the intention, and you did a marvelous job! I just watched your goth tag and, my God, you ARE sent from above! When you said that Mary Mason (my nickname for him) is shock rock and is more like Alice Cooper, my heart skipped a beat due to excitement because I've been trying to explain that for years yet people get so bloody sceptical! His music lineage/genre goes back directly to Alice Cooper. And for me especially it's hard because I am part of the metal subculture as well, and he gets tossed into that category also. As you can imagine, for years, I have had to explain that he is neither goth nor metal, but it doesn't register in people's minds! They think that goth/metal is a status of achievement based on image and gimmicks, when these genres are really about riffs and vocals. I wish they would teach this stuff in schools someday. I look forward to your next video! Also, do you have a fan e-mail? I'd love to send you a picture of me with Ronny Moorings from Clan of Xymox.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    I haven’t set up an e-mail for viewers yet, but feel free to send it to my business e-mail: sponsor@cadaverkelly.com 😊

  • @ademcanvaner2567

    @ademcanvaner2567

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly That's splendid. I just sent you three e-mails, one of them with a link to the Peter Murphy show I went to in January. I think it's nice for content creators to get a closer look at their fans. We really are one big bat family. 😊

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Very cool! I’m going to see Clan of Xymox in November 😃

  • @dhoakohime
    @dhoakohime Жыл бұрын

    Would you list the songs that you used in the background please? Amazing vid!!! 💖

  • @jaredmcclendon8671
    @jaredmcclendon86714 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the love cadavor kelly.

  • @platetec4636
    @platetec4636 Жыл бұрын

    After punk in the UK came “New Wave” which was a lot of not main stream and just put into that bracket

  • @ozmarichardson6524
    @ozmarichardson65244 жыл бұрын

    I'm sharing this channel with everyone I know

  • @langstonwilliams8979
    @langstonwilliams89794 жыл бұрын

    Great video!!! Very informative. What is the background music about 5:56?? Very dark and mysterious😀😎

  • @brunettezprettyr4296

    @brunettezprettyr4296

    2 жыл бұрын

    I need to know!

  • @darthlament2708
    @darthlament27084 жыл бұрын

    Awesome Channel! I couldn't like And subscribe fast enough. You are gorgeous by the way😍 and I love your Siouxsie shirt😍😍😍

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! 🙂

  • @richardsantana8095
    @richardsantana80953 жыл бұрын

    Awesome!!!

  • @Nocturnimancer
    @Nocturnimancer4 жыл бұрын

    Really great video. Where the HECC is my Type-O Negative mention tho? T-T

  • @jessicanancymorgan

    @jessicanancymorgan

    2 жыл бұрын

    They aren't goth.

  • @stephanvenner2939
    @stephanvenner29393 жыл бұрын

    Very good video. The musical world of Postpunk, Wave, Goth or whatever we call it is so rich of undiscovered bands and styles, it is impossible for anyone to cover all the genres and influences. I am still looking for the Marble Index by Nico Some people say that it is the first Gothic Album. I don't know and that's OK. Good Video. 👍🏻🦇

  • @stevenanderson7461
    @stevenanderson7461 Жыл бұрын

    Post punk became new wave

  • @dominica4799
    @dominica47992 жыл бұрын

    Where did you get the awesome Siouxsie and the banshees t shirt from? It's so cool

  • @SpenceDaFence
    @SpenceDaFence4 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I’m not a goth, but I love 80’s goth music

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    4 жыл бұрын

    80’s music is great! Welcome 🙂

  • @peterfitzgerald53
    @peterfitzgerald53 Жыл бұрын

    Hi an old eighties goth here from the u.k. Kelly the grandparents of goth back then we're the Damned , souxsie,and of course Bauhaus,my sisters partner is the brother in law of Peter Murphy ,Bauhaus are from Northampton just down the road from here .great video btw .

  • @DarqnessGacha
    @DarqnessGacha3 жыл бұрын

    i'm actually still molding my music tastes into the thing i want them to be, i'm slowly taking in anything useful to me because some years later, i'm gonna be a goth.

  • @lunawolfe5185
    @lunawolfe51855 жыл бұрын

    You need more subs

  • @tisteatime
    @tisteatime9 ай бұрын

    there's also coldwave, a minimalist synth subgenre of gothic rock originally coming from france with bands such as little nemo, lost desert, and second still, and ethereal wave which has shoegazey/classical elements and stemmed from the 4ad record label with bands like cocteau twins, this mortal coil, and mors syphilitica

  • @BlackJar72
    @BlackJar724 жыл бұрын

    When I think of new wave I think Duran Duran, The Police, Depeche Mode, Katrina and the Waves, Thomas Dolby, etc. -- I would never have thought of Information Society since I see them more as (pop) electronica. This is a great video though -- I might put it in a playlist along with a few other as good explanation of what goth music is.

  • @ivorytower99

    @ivorytower99

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jared, that's Top 40's 80s; not "new wave".

  • @VCCassidy
    @VCCassidy5 жыл бұрын

    I always considered goth to be one of many post-punk subsets, along with noise, no-wave, death rock, new romantic etc.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    You are correct, Goth is a subset of post punk! 😊 All the categories of goth I mentioned are all different styles of goth post-punk but incorporate other influences that make up the different categories like deathrock or darkwave.

  • @ThreadBomb

    @ThreadBomb

    10 ай бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly I think "descendant" is probably more accurate than "sub-set".

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ThreadBomb Goth is a descendent of punk but it is a subset of post-punk. Goth falls under the post-punk umbrella but post-punk is a lot broader as a category than just goth.

  • @ositox5659
    @ositox56594 жыл бұрын

    What about Coldwave and the Touching Pop movement? 🧛🏼‍♀️ Asylum Party, Mary Goes Round, Babel 17, Maquis de Sade and Little Nemo to name a few. Great video though, I love your content.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! I mentioned Cold Wave and Asylum Party in another video. Here’s the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mWhk1qltkZfUgZc.html

  • @rst3377
    @rst33775 жыл бұрын

    Thumbs up for mentioning Two Witches (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Witches) - my personal favorite of goth bands ever ...probably because I have been lucky enough to get some stray sprinkles of goth fair...witch dust on me when attending same university courses with Nauku back in the day ;)

  • @CurtRowlett
    @CurtRowlett2 жыл бұрын

    Back in the day, before Goth was actually called "Goth," quite a few Deathrockers I knew (I was in the American scene) tried to act like they really didn't approve of The Sisters of Mercy for inclusion into the "Deathrock canon" of the times, preferring primarily guitar-driven bands like Christian Death, 45 Grave, and The Birthday Party (bands that were more punk rock-adjacent, as you point out). But, the actual truth was that, at the end of every single gig and late night after-party that I went to back then, "Floodland" could be heard playing on HEAVY rotation. (I'm still a fan of TSOM to this day). Great overview, btw.

  • @burntoats
    @burntoats8 ай бұрын

    Your videos are truly lovely, Kelly and I can feel the passion you have for music... I just need to point out a couple of things in this video which were a bit grating to my ears! Because you are so precise using the terms proto, post, adjacent, etcetera... The Stooges and the New York Dolls are definitely proto-punk and not strictly punk. They shouldn't really be grouped with The Sex Pistols or other post-76 band. Also, the term New Wave used to describe a more commercial evolution of post-punk elements is something I heard from Americans a lot, but in Europe/UK we don't discriminate post-punk and New Wave in the same way. The Cure, Bauhaus and Joy Division have always been called New Wave , since the very beginning.

  • @blackbaron4774
    @blackbaron47743 жыл бұрын

    Try Yugoslav new wave and dark vawe, it had a very great scene. Some bands: Ekaterina Velika, Morbidi i Mnoci, Dobri Isak, Padot na Vizantija, Phantasmagoria and many more. A great channel for such a music is Dronemf.

  • @xx-gv5ky
    @xx-gv5ky Жыл бұрын

    apologies if this is already answered but what's the song playing during the post punk section?

  • @themiller3940
    @themiller39405 жыл бұрын

    I love all the names here

  • @universeofnone
    @universeofnone4 жыл бұрын

    Why did you not make a reference to the Damned (earlier in the video?)

  • @boris1387
    @boris1387 Жыл бұрын

    Damned had their 1st single out before the shady Pistols.

  • @zennacrous4285
    @zennacrous42855 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a spotify playlist of this stuff, or any you can recommend?

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here’s a good one for Deathrock and goth: open.spotify.com/user/daveazoicer/playlist/6npODHOYpGJ4XmT3osLhXO?nd=1 Here’s one for New Wave/Dark Wave/Post Punk (Goth Adjacent): open.spotify.com/user/daveazoicer/playlist/3QjPKnXZ9j8RL3n6pTFlqb?nd=1

  • @pinkfuzzycow
    @pinkfuzzycow5 жыл бұрын

    Hey I have the same shirt! One of my favs ❤❤❤

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Nice! I love that pic of Siouxsie 🖤

  • @ansirodesetta3014
    @ansirodesetta3014 Жыл бұрын

    Love it.... Bauhaus,Gang of four,The Cure,... I really still dig the way deep bands... But anywho... I am 48 and grew up in a several great eras of stylistic births.... The first time I heard of Love and Rockets I could honestly say there was a shift,along with Sisters of Mercy it was a big step in the way of several crossing over/spill over bands. I could care less of the classification. I just love synthwave and great songwriting as well as great vocalists and guitarists that can mesh and intertwine all these combinations into something cohesive and continue in a revolutionary step.....

  • @Byakuyalovelornsoul
    @Byakuyalovelornsoul3 жыл бұрын

    What is the song from 0:00 to 0:08? And would The Birthday Massacre be considered a goth band? Also, what is the difference between gothic/doom metal and goth music (is there any relation between the them)?

  • 5 жыл бұрын

    That quintessential Gothic Rock sound could just as easily be called "The Leeds sound," in the same way that grunge and early 90s punk from the PNW (like The Gits) were referred to as "The Seattle sound." Sisters, the Lorries, March Violets... All Leeds.

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting insight! Leeds sounds like my kind of place 😎

  • @daisaigai7

    @daisaigai7

    4 жыл бұрын

    Forget about Leeds. Go to Germany, back in 1972. The band *Neu!* released Negativland, a track that defines post-punk, industrial and goth at the same time. *watch?v=fhiNtanvImg*

  • @ivorytower99

    @ivorytower99

    3 жыл бұрын

    @AJtheory Si was in *Batfish Boys*.

  • @MatthewMcVeagh

    @MatthewMcVeagh

    2 жыл бұрын

    ...Danse Society

  • @Taras-oj4tf
    @Taras-oj4tf8 ай бұрын

    What’s your opinion on bands like All Your Sisters and Have A Nice Life? I consider them goth (maybe not all of Have A Nice Life’s songs) but don’t see them getting brought up a lot in the scene Edit: if you haven’t heard them I recommend Shame by All Your Sisters and Woe Unto Us by Have A Nice Life

  • @RubyTwilite
    @RubyTwilite Жыл бұрын

    I was a goth back in the day. Designed a lot of my clothes (much to my parent's horror!) I still have the ticket stubs from seeing Sisters of Mercy, The Mission UK, Siouxie and the Banshees, the Cure and others at The Ritz in NYC... I miss those days. I'm not impressed with today's music. Very few bands catch my interest.

  • @dismalcandle4204
    @dismalcandle42043 жыл бұрын

    It's sad that you didn't mention the birthday party. But generally this video is really good

  • @vampzombiewitch
    @vampzombiewitch2 ай бұрын

    Where did you get your Siouxsie tee shirt 😍

  • @boaks27
    @boaks27 Жыл бұрын

    In which genre would you place Sigue Sigue Sputnik ?

  • @jelkel25
    @jelkel253 жыл бұрын

    Outside of the Batcave crowd most people in that scene just called the music Indy or Alternative. The way I understood it, it was basically the Punk's who didn't sign up to the Punk "year zero" thing and still loved Bowie, Roxy, Velvets, Doors and this reflects in the music, not to mention many on the Alternative scene were too young to have been Punk's and this was their thing. I saw the Sisters and the Cult, Banshees back then, Siouxie Sioux was truly a force of nature!

  • @ThreadBomb

    @ThreadBomb

    10 ай бұрын

    Don't forget the New Romantics!

  • @SheWhoWalksWithLucifer
    @SheWhoWalksWithLucifer3 жыл бұрын

    I have that shirt!!! Hell yeah

  • @speedc100
    @speedc1003 жыл бұрын

    What about The Mission Uk ?

  • @Somulentjail
    @Somulentjail5 жыл бұрын

    +new subscriber

  • @michaeldouglas1965
    @michaeldouglas1965 Жыл бұрын

    Re The Bat Cave. Goth began in Le Phonograghiqe in Leeds, before the Bat cave. I was there.

  • @robertpetre9378
    @robertpetre93784 жыл бұрын

    Right of the bat🦇 lol good unintended pun very good

  • @indianbellydancer1
    @indianbellydancer13 жыл бұрын

    Intro song in the beginning?

  • @thebiglebowski9849
    @thebiglebowski98493 жыл бұрын

    Actually there is quite a bit of interesting "Proto Goth", predating Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division etc... You will find some of it in early Alice Cooper (his first album "Pretties For You" has a goth touch to it). Same with Nico (some dark stuff ... heroine will do that to you). "The End" by "The Doors" also carries a bit of that sound (although not genuine goth). The infrastructure was definitely being built about 10 years prior to what would actually be considered "Goth" but not just from the developing punk scene of the 70s

  • @RC-gg1ib
    @RC-gg1ib2 жыл бұрын

    Oh fux im in love

  • @Alix777.
    @Alix777.3 жыл бұрын

    I'm more into post-punk bands but i love X mal Deutschland "Tocsin" album and also Christian Death three first albums...

  • @nomi.hagen.
    @nomi.hagen.4 жыл бұрын

    Hi, what genre would you consider the Nina Hagen band first 2 albums from 78/79?

  • @CadaverKelly

    @CadaverKelly

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hmm, that’s a tough one to categorize because they used a lot of different sounds. Those albums sound like they have hints of New Romantic, Glam Rock, and some Post Punk to me.

  • @nomi.hagen.

    @nomi.hagen.

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@CadaverKelly Yes, it's very difficult. Thank you for your answer.

  • @tommyberryhill4292
    @tommyberryhill42922 жыл бұрын

    Question Do the albums by Depeche Mode in their dark period (Some great reward, Black Celebration, and Songs of faith and devotion) fall into the goth category?

  • @tommyberryhill4292

    @tommyberryhill4292

    2 жыл бұрын

    Music for the masses

  • @arthurwatts1680
    @arthurwatts16803 жыл бұрын

    Interesting summary. Reading an interview with Greg Mackintosh this afternoon he describes the problems Paradise Lost ran into with their record company at the time when they tried to release an album with 3 songs that were clearly 'goth music', including a Sisters of Mercy cover. I can see the record company's POV - they've paid for a death/doom album and been handed something else. Like it or not, the industry is absolutely 'hung up' on genres.

  • @ekklesiamortis
    @ekklesiamortis2 жыл бұрын

    I focused more on goth music also punk music since 2005. I was 14 and in high school as a freshman.

  • @chrismartell8006
    @chrismartell80062 жыл бұрын

    Shame the pictures put up of "sisters of mercy" was NOT the line up of " First and last and always " but the post split line up The MISSION UK followed and is still amazing live ,

  • @brettwestbrook215
    @brettwestbrook2154 жыл бұрын

    Got the same shirt

  • @LunaReign
    @LunaReign9 ай бұрын

    ❤❤❤❤

  • @IanIsrael
    @IanIsrael2 жыл бұрын

    Talks about Punk Rock for a moment,forgets to mention the bloody Ramones.

  • @ass-oe8uz
    @ass-oe8uz4 жыл бұрын

    Punk Rock music, grandfather of Goth music 😄