“They need to adore me, so Christian Dior me” is one of my favorite lyrics in any musical. Rainbow High is so good

@Kimllg88

15 күн бұрын

ridiculous line. Childish libretto

This video is VERY good. As an Argentinian, it was one of the most accurate essays and closest to my perspective about Peronismo. Specially with Eva. I love the musical, is very iconic for me and I grew up with the image of this Half Saint - Half B itch person but, now as an adult I learned to understand her more and try not to judge her. Those must been hard times for women to survive. She did what she had to do in a brutal world. She was fierce against oligarch society, military people. She is a real badass. She achieved the vote for women. That is making history. I think there is a turning point when she realizes she can make a difference, like real help. But, AND IS A BIG BUT, Peronismo is VERY cuestionable.

@lynncibelli3534

7 ай бұрын

Singlehandedly she obtained the vote for women. No committee needed.😮

@diegoadam795

7 ай бұрын

@@lynncibelli3534😍

@rmp7400

7 ай бұрын

This born-woman recognizes that: Evita lusted for temporal power ... so was willing to share a bit of it with her "sisters"...as long as they used that power to glorify her narcissism. The Eva phenomenon did NOT speak well for women: it confirmed as VALID the contempt many men had for the idea of giving women the power to vote. Argentinian women did abuse the power there & then....and women more often continue to abuse the power in the here & now. I believe that if women have the political power of the vote, they ought to be required to compulsory military service: to understand voting is NOT about financial assistance for the needy (which is what Religious Charities were established for).... Voting: determines Foreign Policy.

As an argentinian, I really did enjoy this video. I've always disliked the musical, it was made by two english men in the 70s who didn't know how to do research so it was bound to be bad. The Perons were not at all perfect people or the most honest political figures (if there ever are ones), but its very unfair and honestly offensive how a musical that is so cruel to a woman the writers didn't even have a cultural connection to was made. Many parts of that times peronismo (and even todays) are questionable and even "problematic", but to deny or minimize the amount of good they did is just turning a blind eye on history. My grandmother, who was born in 1945, was from a low class family and always says that her first doll was given to her by Eva, through the foundation. Yeah, a doll, the family wasn't taken out of their financial situation or anything, the Perons didn't change their life directly, but it bettered the life conditions in the whole country. It gave little to many when before many had nothing at all. They gave workers rights and a voice that has to this day not faced. My grandma always remembers this doll like the first gift she ever got and it was shocking, because she thought gifts were for rich people. Eva is immortal because of this, and the hate the opposition had for her was sickening. When she died, MANY and I mean SO MANY people chanted "long life to cancer" and referred to her mostly as "the slut", and honestly they hated her this much because she was a woman with power and a voice. Despite adoring most of Andrew Lloyds Webber work, enjoying the songs and absolutely loving most of the performances I have seen of this musical, I can never truly enjoy it, because it just lies and throws even more dirt over a woman who had a hard and painful life than ended too soon, and would not rest for many more years.

@skallywalla502

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your perspective. I found what you have to say very useful. 🙏🏻

@BlackCanary87

11 ай бұрын

You might be interested in the new production by Sammi Cannold. Among other things, she had a separate, teenage actress play Young Evita for the first few songs. She has a TEDxBroadway talk about the research she did in Argentina and the choices it inspired.

@Kimllg88

15 күн бұрын

terrible musical

This video is great! Thank you for putting it together. I'll be playing Eva in the musical this month, and this video is a huge help.

@TheDramaDorks

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, best of luck with your performance!

Hope you enjoy the video! We tried to be as balanced as we could with this essay knowing that the subject matter is inherently controversial. Plenty more content coming in the future, so keep your eyes peeled 🚢! Be sure to share this with your shirted and shirtless ones 🎭

A minor comment 'cause it caught my attention in the video: Che is not a name, it's a nickname other latin-american comrades gave Guevara 'cause "che" is an often used filler word by argentinians (kind of means hey! or oi!, similar to how some british people use innit to finish a sentence)

Seeing this show live was one of the most incredible experiences. My husband got up front row tickets, I cried the entire time. My Dad passed in 1996, and after seeing Evita the movie, I became fascinated by Eva/Evita. Every single project I ever needed to do for Spanish class was about either Evita, or Argentina. I only mention my Dad passing because it awakened a bit of a morbid curiosity in me, I don't think I would have been as taken by the story without that.

@VeracityLH

21 күн бұрын

I hear ya. My son loved the movie Titanic (he was 10) and his ambition was to go see it again with his beloved grandmother (my mum in law). Unfortunately she was dying of cancer and was already so poorly that she couldn't go to the theater. I bought him a book about making the film, so he could show it to her. The movie came out on VHS about a month before she died, and my son did get his wish to watch it with her. I'm so glad he got to have such a happy memory to balance the sadness of her death, even if it was about a disaster in which over 1500 people were killed! He's in his 30s now and is no longer so obssessed, but every time he learns a new fact about the Titanic, he calls to let me know.

@terrylewis_

21 күн бұрын

@@VeracityLH I loved Titanic too!! Saw it a million times in theater and have gone to every re-release they've done. There was even a 3D one. :) I've gone to the traveling exhibit 3x as well, if it comes to your area perhaps you could go with your son. :)

Evita has been my favorite musical for oh, over 40 years now...saw it for the first time on Broadway with Patty LuPone and Mandy Patinkin and was absolutely blown away...and I saw it three times within a couple of years, last time to see it in the Summer of 1980 before Patinkin left the cast...I sat in the 12th row Orchestra and paid $25! Imagine that! But it is still captivating and just a powerful force on stage. We also had the good fortune to travel to Buenos Aires four years ago, and spent the day doing the Evita tour--her grave, the Casa Rosada, and several other spots famous for her involvement there...that was really something! I loved this review--so in depth and really made me think! And we're seeing a new production of it in a couple of weeks now again, so I cannot wait to watch it unfold one more time before my eyes and tap to all that amazing music again!

@VeracityLH

21 күн бұрын

Oh I envy your experiences. Not being in good health, I have to experience theater a different way. My daughter lives quite a long way away from me, so we make a date once a month to watch musicals. She did some theater when she was young because her dad was involved in it, but she had little exposure to Broadway. It's been a delight to show her things; yesterday we watched LuPone and Hearn in Sweeney Todd, so I also showed her clips of other productions, like Tim Nolen (my favorite Sweeney). I also told her that (and I know this is theater sacrilege) that there are a few LuPone performances I don't care became as her voice is SO strong there are times that it overwhelms the character. BUT there are also times when her strong voice is absolutely perfect for a role. Evita is one of these. My daughter asked for an example of this, so I showed her the 1980 Tony performance. As I searched it out on KZread, I also remarked that Mandy Patinkin plays Che; she said she didn't know him, but I knew she'd seen him before and said "Oh, you'll know him when you see him." She hardly breathed til the clipped ended. Then she asked "What. Was. That?" Lord, child, don't get me started! So now she's obsessed with knowing more about Evita, Patti LuPone, and Mandy Patinkin. At this point we'd been at it for hours, so I promised to send her more videos. We've always been close, but bonding with my daughter has been wonderful. And our newest adventure is Evita. 🤓

this will probably be a long comment so i apologize beforehand so far this is the best video ive watched on the curious case of the evita musical. i really thank you for using such a good amount of sources for the musical and somehow not getting lost in the sea of information and misinformation on the real life history of evita. im argentinean and a writer and a musical fan so of course i have a very complicated relationship with this specific play. i had the immense luck of being able to attend the revival starring the amazing elena roger (the only argentinean to have portrayed her out of argentina, as far as i know) and especially after watching her as lotte lenya and particularly as edith piaf this year, i am probably convinced that she is the only woman who was able to portray the character in a way that fits both the musical and the way the musical wants to portray history. roger has an extraordinary ability to play a vulnerable, decadent femme fatale, inspired by 1930s low-life crooners and divas. her rendition of "lament" still gives me chills. but back to the video. i loved so much that you compared it to diana and to hamilton, which in my opinion is the most accurate way to do so, much more than cinderella (while still not fully touching on her complexities): she was never the complete tragic victim diana is made out to be (the one that english media has built her to be, the one i was sold ever since i knew her name), nor the doomed underdog icarus-like hero hamilton is made to be, in all his male and founding-father, american-dream fueled inspirational tale. to me, what makes evita the musical so disgusting and so fascinating is how much of her is mediated by the specific context of its making. because the reason you can never compare evita the musical with any other musical, is because its not like if england made hamilton. its as if england made evita. its as if a "first world country" took a story from the political "global south" and forced a story of sexist female ambition and of fairytale like aspirations. the musical was never to me about extremism, because i can completely see why weber and rice avoid saying its political. it is extremely political, and it says a lot of who is writing it. it wasnt long before the malvinas war began and there was an open political confrontation between england and argentina. it was during a time where argentina was being dominated by a right wing pseudo-fascist military, and of course the english tories would see that and extrapolate a whole history with it. its no coincidence that, even if rice hadnt read it, "the woman with the whip" was written by an english-argentinean woman with money and means to leave south america, just as there is no coincidence that the voice of reason is the conservative perspective put on the mouth of che guevara, an extreme-left wing guerrilla man who would have disliked evita but probably not for the reasons the tories and the oligarchs did. thats why, beyond only having four good songs in the whole musical, evita the musical is still so fascinating. its deeply concerned with appearances and perception (as it should, being about politics) in a way very few musicals really are, and with a protagonist so deeply human like the one they crafted. i still think its a shame that the evita built by these two englishmen was the one that remains in the mind of the world. evita would always remain just surface and rumors, after her death, but it would have been nice if we argentineans had at least the power to tell her story.

@julietajazming

Жыл бұрын

A mi también me daba la sensación de que Elena la interpretó desde nuestra mirada y no se dejó comer por el musical.

@sortingoutmyclothes8131

Жыл бұрын

Muy bueno, estoy de acerdo. Se nota mucho que la obra tiene una mirada externa a las problemáticas de Argentina como pais. No se siente la tensión que siempre se genera cuando hablamos del peronismo en Argentina, y eso la vuelve medio hueca, vac{ia. Le falta algo.

@Erdosign

Жыл бұрын

En una biografía de Piazzolla, leí que por varios años, el estaba interesado en escribir su propia ópera tango sobre Evita. (Con la posibilidad de Julio Cortázar como guionista!) El decidió no hacerlo cuando escucho que Lloyd Webber estaba produciendo Evita.

I mean... wow. As a long-time fan of this musical, I can only commend your impartiality and sensitivity surrounding Eva, and her life and death. Your presentation is outstanding and I thoroughly enjoyed the arrangement/editing. Others in the community should learn by your example. I've always taken the "message" of this musical to be a warning against, not so much extremism, but rather any kind of blind infatuation. Eva was infatuated with Magaldi, but he was largely inconsiderate toward her despite her youth and naivety. Eva was infatuated with the idea of acting in the big city, later finding Buenos Aires to be full of the oligarchs she despised, and who criticised her, labelling her a "whore" based on her looks and career alone (despite as you say, a vast majority of other women taking similar routes to achieve success). Eva became infatuated with political change, which ultimately exhausted her, and in the musical's lore, appears to be her silver bullet. And above all, the people were infatuated with Eva, who, although not evil, was never entirely trustworthy either - name a politician who is? Magaldi "seemed" helpful. The city lights "seemed" to sparkle. Politics "seemed" like a way to be taken seriously. Eva mostly "seemed" healthy (until her death). Both the Perons "seemed" like saviors. I think if this musical had a "slogan", it would be: "Things are never quite as they seem".

@micahcook2408

6 ай бұрын

I love this analysis

Apparently when her body was recovered Juan Peron went to see it and became emotional, saying something like: "It's so good to see her again". I think he did have real feelings for her, and I like the "You Must Love Me" song for showing that.

The post mortem adventures of Evita are as intriguing and surprising as her life. She was effectively embalmed twice. Dr Pedra Ara did a relatively simple (compared to what was to follow) embalming for the lying in state. This was supposed to be for a week, but got extended to 3 weeks due to popular demand. By which time she had begun to dry out and Ara insisted on taking her away for the full preservation. It took a year to complete the process. At tines the coffin lid was used to weigh the body down in the vat of chemicals. Breakdowns in the air conditioning frequently led to the offices in the building having to be evacuated because of the vapours coming from the embalming. The mausoleum was to be the largest statue on Earth, a gigantic depiction of a Descamisado, with an observation deck in his head. At one stage it was suggested that the bodies of four descamisados be acquired and preserved to act as eternal pall bearers. And that was just the start of 20+ years of increasing strangeness until she was finally laid to rest in a tomb allegedly strongbenough to survive a direct nuclear blast. As one of many books I've read concluded "...as if they are afraid that the woman or her myth may rise from the grave."

As someone who was one apart of a community theatre production of this musical, I can't wait to fully dive into this video! For those who want more historical Eva content, Ask A Mortician has a video chronicling what happened to Eva's remains, and it's an interesting set of circumstances to see play out!

@BluetheRaccoon

Жыл бұрын

I was in middle school when the movie 'Evita' came out, and before AAM's video I'd only known she had a tragic ending but not *what* that tragedy was. Can you imagine...rotting from the inside from cancer...and your husband refusing to tell you why? She strikes me as more a puppet of her husband than genuine ill intent.

@kimhartley8220

Жыл бұрын

​@@BluetheRaccoon Well, one doctor tried to tell her, but she hit him in the face with a bag and decided he was a traitor trying to remove her from power. I guess, she didn't really want to know anything.

I love these videos where you both look at the history of these musicals.

I saw "Evita" in San Francisco while the Falkland crisis was taking place. A grim chuckle went through the audience at the line, "If England can do without me, Argentina can do without England!"

@VeracityLH

21 күн бұрын

Irony? Ms Irony? Your audience is now available. ;)

Thank you so much for this piece. I loved it! I'm a big fan of this musical. It was the first Broadway show I saw many times. It was with Patty Lupone and Mandy Patinkin as Che Guevara . Prince's direction was exquisite! Thanks again. I will be subscribing. Thanks again!

I had absolutely no idea who Eva Peron was.. Her name never came up in history class, but I remember seeing the commercial for the 1979 Broadway show.. I'd see it 4 times with Lupone, and I can proudly sing the lyrics from start to finish...

@kathrynjordan8782

Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing the Broadway show in Los Angeles in 1984 with Lupone as Eva. She was fantastic in that role. I was extremely disappointed in the movie though. The character of Eva should have been portrayed by Lupone. I can sing those lyrics from start to finish as well.

@edreid7872

Жыл бұрын

@@kathrynjordan8782 So true...Madonna’s thin, reedy voice could not handle those dramatic lyrics...We all know why Patti didn't get it, she wasn't big enough..the same reason many broadway stars never get to play the roles they originated...I sometimes tweet Mandy random lyrics..😂..There you are, I told you so..makes no difference we go, the whole world over just the same, you should have heard them call my name..and who would underestimate the actress now..🥰..Im underestimating you just do the same thing in Italy please.

@kathrynjordan8782

Жыл бұрын

@@edreid7872 Yeah. Madonna really made the movie a flop. Her raspy voice really didn't help. Patti was a hell of a lot better when it came to singing those songs.

@Benjiesbeenbetter.

8 ай бұрын

I've always thought the movie role should have gone to an unknown, but with a well known supporting cast. It worked in the original London production. It needed someone with far greater range than Madonna and better acting skills. Also, as much as I like Jonathan Price as an actor, he is too slight, physically and vocally for the part.

@edreid7872

8 ай бұрын

@@Benjiesbeenbetter. I so agree.. Madonna’s boy toy image was just too much for a demanding role..I kept waiting for a Like a Virgin chorus to slip in at any moment..Price.. I don't remember any of his scenes, and I've seen it several times..Antonio Banderas.. even he was a bit too Hollywood.. Would have worked with a more theatrical cast.. Madonna may have looked good on paper, but it just didn't translate….

FYI, the "OH MT INSECTICIIIIIIDE" Che from the concept album was none other than Colm Wilkinson aka Jean Valjean XD

Watch the movie Eva No Duerme is in Spanish but English subtitles. When Evita was translated to Spanish. The Argentina people banned to show the musical in Buenos Aires. That was in the mid 80s. I saw it in Puerto Rico with Paloma San Basilio as Evita

I am a mexican, I grew up listening stories about Libertad Lamarque being exiled from Argentina by Eva Perón, and coming to Mexico as a refugee and had a tremendously succesful career in mexican golden age of cinema. There is this expression "llorar como Libertad Lamarque" that means "to cry like Libertad Lamarque".

@susanabrown1736

Ай бұрын

It is not true. Libertad Lamarque moved to Cuba and then to Mexico for better pay. Eva Peron's friends were her brother and family.

You did a wonderful job recognizing her in context and not falling into the usual stereotypical ways that women in history are reduced to! This was fascinating- I wonder who she would have become if she had lived longer!

What a great production. Excellent hosting and narration. You answered some questions I’ve had for a while. Bravo.

That was absolutely fascinating, I can't wait to see more from you

this is an amazing post. I am a huge Eva Peron follower. (Luckily i won an auction getting her pearl stud earings seen in many many photos. You present a very balanced story and leave open ended questions Thank you for this work ! Mark, Toronto

Well done! ❤️ Also, one of my dear, dear friends is one of the Evitas in this video!!

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

Who? Don’t leave us hanging like this!

Another Suitcase in Another Hall was/is in the original 1976 concept album that I got to hear in 1978 while in my Sophomore year in college and is my favorite song from the show. I'm also partial to this voice cast over the subsequent stage casts with the exception of Patti LePone who, for for me, will always be the quintessential Eva Peron.

I always moan with displeasure when people have asked me to summarize the life of Evita Peron (only twice) just as much as when I've been asked to summarize the events in the musical Les Miserables (too many times to count) because there is no satisfying way to give a nutshell version without omitting critical details that I always feel are necessary. In other words, these stories are extremely complex, complicated, multi-faceted, and oftentimes the details are the meat of those stories. This documentary's insanely detailed dive is not for the faint of heart. However, to us fans, it is a wildly satisfying treat, to say the least. Bruh! You included details about her foundation and dispelled so many myths! Prior to watching this, my favorite documentary was "Queen of Hearts" from the early 70's (even wrote a long-winded review of it here on its KZread upload). I'd still recommend that one for people interested in a somewhat short but thorough look at Eva Peron's life but this is a must for any fan of Eva or the musical. I really enjoyed the humor sprinkled throughout. I laughed out loud on every one of those. I found the one about "birds fly out of here so why oh why the hell can't I" bit unexpectedly hilarious even though I've known that lyric well for years. I suspect it wasn't meant as a humor but the manner in which you presented it highlighted how funny/quirky that lyric is. I don't even know why. It just gave me a hearty chuckle deep down in my gut, lol. Sorry for the novel. This was actually much longer but I forced myself to edit it down to something readable without making one's eyes go crossed. Thank you for this fantastic doc. I love you! =D

What a piece of work. Thank you!

Fascinating and thoroughly researched. Bravo! Fyi im a musical theatre writer working on a musical about Perón's third wife Isabel. Isabelita: the Last Perón.

Great video! I just saw a production of Evita at the Shakespeare Theatre in DC and wanted to find out more about the real life evita vs the play and this totally hit the spot.

I don't how you feel about (non UK) European musical theatre, but I would kill for you to do a comparison between Evita and Elisabeth, an Austrian musical about Empress Elisabeth of Austria, the last Habsburg Empress. The composer/lyricist openly were inspired by not only Evita, but Phantom of the Opera as well (The lyricist translated both shows into German). So imagine a biographical musical about a historical figure with a cynical, critical narrator also filled to the brim with gothic melodrama and romance. I' think Elisabeth maybe corrected a few things Evita got wrong, mainly with how it handles the cynical narrator - firstly, he's actually someone directly connected to the title character and secondly (depending on the production) he's generally not seen as right all the time. It's hard to explain, but in most productions I don't think you're actually supposed to...agree with him? Spoilers ahead, but he's basically a murderer and the musical is him trying to justify his actions.

@gemmamoon5998

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard great things about Elisabeth! I’ve also heard great things about Tanz der Vampires. It’s a shame the English-language version is abysmal, and that Elisabeth hasn’t been preformed in English yet. I wish Broadway would do more foreign shows with supertitles, like they did when they put on a production of Fiddler on the Roof in Yiddish, but I think supertitles are easier when the musical is already well-known among English-speaking audiences. I did see a play that was partially in Farsi and the supertitles worked well in it.

@MadameChristie

Жыл бұрын

@@gemmamoon5998 Oh original Tanz is fabulous! There's a subbed proshot of the Hamburg production on here if you're curious. And Elisabeth is phenomenal, especially if you into gothic melodrama. Yes, I do wish we had more foreign shows, subbed or translated.

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

The 2001 and 2005 German productions even drew heavily from Hal Prince’s Brechtian visuals for Evita.

@marielsea2292

Жыл бұрын

Elisabeth is my favorite musical ever!!

@juliamavroidi8601

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting that even though the parallels to Evita were obvious from the start, it was in the Stuttgart revision that they really doubled down on them, removing a lot of specifucs about political development, yet adding Elisabeth's own the Swiss bank allegations to the 2nd Act opener "Kitsch" as well as introducing "Wenn ich tanzen will" as their own version of the "Waltz Between Evita And Che". As soon as Elisabeth left her home country, she too became simplified into a more archtypical (or stereotypical?) female role and in turn the musical became even more similar to Evita. This simplification would progress in the Japanese adaptations (which arguably are about as much culturally removed from Austria as Britain is from Argentina), which - while artistic in their owb right are quite far removed from the musucals original intent as an aggressively cynical look at Elisabeth as a person and symbol.

I actually watched some of Eva Duarte’s pre-politics films. She’s about as good as the rest of the cast, which isn’t saying much, but she never stood out as abysmal or the worst of the lot. Her sworn enemy and Latin American superstar Libertad Lamarque was just as cringey.

@TheEireika

Жыл бұрын

She was never her enemy, the press invented their rivaly years after they parted ways and Lamarque moved to Mexico to pursue better contracts.

@EnzFab73

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I think "Evita the absolute God-awful & terrible actress" is embellished & overstated because of who she became & it makes her story more entertaining. I also do not see her standing out as absolutely terrible in comparison to the rest of the cast & in some instances, she was effective. For instance, many scene of hers in La Cabalgata del Circo were delivered well. And many scenes in La Prodiga are poignant, not Oscar worthy, but as far as cheesy, syrupy melodramas of the time period are concerned, her acting was as decent as her supporting players. Yes there are times when her inexperience (in film) showed, for instance, she never really knew what to do with her hands so she was always holding something: a handkerchief, a twig, a cloth etc. But her voice was very attractive despite her country girl accent (she was a radio actress after all). Even Maryssa Navarro agreed she was no worse an actress than the rest. And to state that she had no desire in becoming a good actress, she simply wanted fame like her detractors do like Main & Tim Rice who stated she "perfected the art of manipulating people in order to become a star, rather than dedicating herself to becoming a good actress" is rubbish. How would they know this? & considering the actual testimony of many of Eva's colleagues, those who actually worked with her, it's nonsense.

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

@@EnzFab73 Tim Rice accusing Eva of casting couch is rich, considering he (a married man at the time) was openly sleeping with Elaine Paige when she was playing Evita in London.

@jenniferschillig3768

7 ай бұрын

​@@giovannirastrelli9821 Right?! Plus, as far as I know, Sir Tim is STILL legally married although they've been estranged for years. And as the gentleman doing this video points out, ALW wrote Christine's role in Phantom around his wife Sarah Brightman (whom he left his first wife for)...and HE also had the nerve to get all high-and-mighty about Eva's supposed casting couch activities!

Gosh, I just found this channel and it deserves to have half a million subs. Excellent content!!

Ooooooh, a video essay about Evita??? How exciting!

In the past, whenever I thought of the musical Evita, I always thought, thank God that in the USA, a cult of personality could never develop over politician; that tendency is just not in our culture. And then there is was Trump and his MAGA descamisados…. Anyhow, this video was brilliant. So informative, and pro Evita or anti Evita, it considered all sides. Thank you for making this and for posting it.

This was so well researched and very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Some parallels could also be drawn to their contemporaries the Roosevelts. Eleanor was a strong First Lady, doing much of the legwork for her husband - whose health issues were largely concealed from the public. Musicals are not documentaries, so we probably shouldn't be seeking the historical woman in the portrait painted by the on-stage Evita anymore than DIANA, or TITANIC, or Les Miserables are accurate depictions of those subjects. I think Evita is, instead, a springboard to wanting to learn more about a colorful figure in South American culture and history.

@nonyabusiness2510

Жыл бұрын

It's a fairly big stretch. Les Miserables was not a depiction of any actual event in history but an adaptation of a book which had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the French Revolution.

@joaquinescotoaleman4320

Жыл бұрын

Mmmm like the video said Peron's formula was nothing new, but he refined it very well.

@gracefutrell1912

8 ай бұрын

Creepy fact she was actually friends with Eleanor Roosevelt they corresponded through letters

Mary Main's book is awfully biased. It is garbage as a biography & many scholars & historians have denounced this work. Since the musical there have been many superior works of Eva Peron released. Julie M Taylor, Maryssa Navarro, Alicia Dujovne Ortiz, Felipe Pigna & countless others have written better biographies that list their actual sources & a bibliography- too bad those were not highlighted. Despite Rice claiming he never read Main's biography during his research, the stuff he did read was heavily influenced by Main's hatchet piece as it was the only major biography released of Eva Peron in English. One should not take the musical as a history lesson & I am surprised how many people do. To call out the sexism, the fact that many portray a 15 year old as a predator & seductress & not lay blame on the much older men is a perfect example of it. Even A&E's 1996's Biography highlights it's own sexism when stating "but whom really seduced whom" during the Magaldi segment as if a 15 year old child is to blame when a man a decade+ older takes advantage of her. Also interesting & highlighting the sexism at play is the character of Che. The makers of Evita made Che Geuvara the narrator & the critical voice, as if Che's actual history wasn't problematic (unlike Eva, Che actually *killed* people) yet they wanted to make Che the hero & Eva the villian. It also simplifies what her foundation actually did. There is a lot written about it now on what the FDN accomplished during the short period between 1947-1952 (thousands of homes, hundreds of hospitals, orphanages, shelters for runaway girls, old age homes, a complete children's village, allow access to healthcare to those who couldn't afford it, etc) meanwhile it highlights what has never been proven - the Swiss bank accounts. There is a lot to unwind here & I can go on for hours, but I always refer to a quote in a history book years ago when researching Eva Peron, the musical " as theatre, it is arresting, as history, it is false"

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

As much as I love the musical, the Magaldi subplot has always made me uncomfortable. Portraying a 36 year old man as a victim of a 15 year old sexual predator is beyond reprehensible.

@winterfell_forever

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man for writing this piece. You literally took the words out of my mouth.🙂

@luciaelsinger4817

Жыл бұрын

this is so true, people, non Argentinians, really take the musical like a history lesson, it's even obvious that it's biased

@doppel5627

7 ай бұрын

Che was nothing of a hero. He was a bloodthirsty psycho. A fundimentalist and extremist.

I couldn't be further from musical theater art form but I enjoy your video! You have great flow and big talent for storytelling. I clicked on the video by accident, gave it couple of minutes to check what it was about. I managed to get disappointed it was about a musical but stayed until the end because it was a very interesting and nicely told story.

Great in-depth look. Thank you!

Extremely well researched and presented!

Fabulous video. Thank you for making this❤.

So love all of y’all’s content ❤❤❤

Saw this video, loved it, noticed A Night to Remember on your bookshelf, subscribed immediately ! :D

So great, thank you for this! And also your Spanish accent was excellent 👏👏

Excellent video. I binged almost your whole channel

This was so informative- thank you!

I had already watched your Grease video that came into my recs and enjoyed it, but this is the video that made me subscribe.

love the clips with Raul, i spent A LOT of my teen years watching boots on a loop and that was one of my favorites! Also thanks for the video! i love these!

@yoyoeldas

8 ай бұрын

Do you happen to have the full Raul boot btw? I found Act 1 on KZread but Act 2 missing. Would love to see it--I am practically obsessing over Raul's portrayal of Che.

@mightymorphinmatt420

8 ай бұрын

@@yoyoeldas i technically do but it's on vhs tape! Sorry

Incredibly well researched

Excellent. Thank you. absolutely enjoyed it.

This is great. More . More!!!! - Sweaty Oracle

I know this is a story based of a true person who lived. But it's one of the many estances in which a woman is punished by her own ambition. There's a common thrope in narratives in which women who want power and activaly search for it are instantly and irrevocably seeing as villains. While they're many more narratives in which the same story but with a man at the center would have a very different ending. I cannot but feel the men's hands behind the story in which the enemy is ot fascism or authoritarianism, but female ambition.

AMAZING video with much information. Loved seeing pieces of so many productions, One Evita caught my eye with a terrible wig ( I am not sure which production it is). Also, a moment of giggles was with the pronunciation of "Cabildo Abierto del Justicialismo", not sure if it was on purpose. Altogether a great source of information!!!

Muy buen trabajo, bien realizado y documentado.

A piece written by British rightwingers about a Nation they have tried to invade as far back as when it was not even a country yet? What can go wrong? Las Malvinas son argentinas.

@joaquinescotoaleman4320

Жыл бұрын

Stop saying non sense! Please respect the people of the Falkland Islands, they are not some randoms rocks, people live there you know! By the way Peron was a right winger also!

@horaciosacco2538

Жыл бұрын

Lara Murieil Tzvir.Asi es pero se les dio vuelta la tortilla en su contra,la mayoria,de la gente desea investigar por si misma quien fue Evita, y as i con,sus mas y sus menos saber que paso realmente..

For years, I have had this image in my head that I would have loved to see onstage-a production of Evita where Che is a woman. That would make an interesting commentary on the choices women at the time had, especially in such a conservative environment. Female Che would have even more disappointment in Eva and her failed potential to do good. In particular, though, I keep picturing “Waltz for Che and Eva” as a mirror dance. Sadly, I will probably never see it.

@DistantCousin

Жыл бұрын

Quite agree. There is no reason why the "everyman" version of Che can't be an everywoman.

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

There was a high school production with three girls as Che. It was terrible, “Little Buenos Aires of Horrors.”

@ajkleipass

Жыл бұрын

Twin actresses! Che is her inner dialog.

@DistantCousin

Жыл бұрын

@@ajkleipass well, that was what I VERY much got from the 2019 London production. Although he wasn't visually represented as such, there were points when it felt Che was "her"

@alexeykkk9557

Жыл бұрын

Hm, I wonder how the real man would have reacted had he known that some woman thinks it’d be interesting to see him as a woman. These are crazy times of people who just refuse to see the reality.

This was an amazing, thoughtful insight into Evita, the persona and Ava, the person. I have seen Evita three times on stage and the movie. I would have loved to see Patti LuPone in the lead as her portrayal from the glimpses on KZread were spectacular. But the shows I have seen were fantastic. trump liked the show, huh? I was waiting for him to break in to “Don’t Cry For Me MAGA People” when he did his balcony scene upon his return to the White House after his bout with Covid. He never caught the irony. He just took notes for his reign. Great job! I really enjoyed it immensely.

Great video.

Looking forward to an episode on RENT and Spring Awakening ❤

The macho, chauvinistic look on a character as complicated as Eva was trying to erase her historical importance shouldn't surprise me. This need to deform an Argentine historical figure shows the terror that the figure of Eva causes them, even today.

@felixndayisdebologne9725

11 ай бұрын

¿No es notable cuánto la imbecilidad estadounidense siempre se invita a cosas que no entienden? Tienes razón, Evita los aterra.

Regarding director Alan Parker and the 1996 film of Evita, there is a very unacknowledged and significant precursor in his filmography completely similiar to the themes discussed in this video, namely his 1980 iconic hit film "Fame". Here is a quote by Parker from the movie's original publicity material: "Fame can be a double-edged sword. It can make dreams come true, while at the same time it can create monsters".

Regarding the embalming of Evita's body, on her deathbed she begged Juan to make sure she was never forgotten as that was her greatest fear. He planned to build a mausoleum (the biggest in the world) where he planned to put Evita on display. The mausoleum never got beyond the model stage as Perón fled the country after being ousted.

@jenniferschillig3768

7 ай бұрын

And THEN it got weird. Look up the odyssey of Eva's embalmed corpse post-mortem...

@eugeniaascarraga3776

8 күн бұрын

No,Evita no le pidio a Peron que el no la olvidara, le dijo que deseaba no ser olvidada por su pueblo.Tampoco ella pidio un mausoleo, el queria construirlo pero no pudo.En el momento de la Revolucion Libertadora, robaron su cadaver que estaba en el edificio de la CGT.

@eugeniaascarraga3776

8 күн бұрын

No.Evita le pidio a Juan que el pueblo no la olvidara, no que el no la olvidara.Ella lo amo, pero su ultimo deseo fue para su pueblo.

I was surprised to find that EVITA is the only major ALW show that hasn't been produced in Buenos Aires--in fact, there was another Eva Perón musical produced in Buenos Aires, called EVA.

What production is shown at 1:02:54 where she is floating in the air? Are there clips on KZread?

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

It’s a recent production from Florida with Eden Espinosa.

When you spoke about Libertad Lamarque I went like my man did research good

After this video I have to, I must subscribe.

i cannot get over how bad evita’s wigs are in the original staging

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

Depends which “original” staging and when. Their budgets varied wildly.

Many Argentinians were so inspired by - (or at least, emotionally attached to) - the memory of the most glamorously powerful Evita Peron ... that the Pope of that era (fearful of alienating the loyalty of misled Catholics) made a point of finding something positive to say about the communist dictator: "She died at the same age as Jesus Christ." Argentina was not then renowned for pure Catholic doctrine... and the confused Argentinian legacy is imposed upon Catholics of the 21st Century through the (noticeably) theologically malformed Argentinian-born: Pope Francis ...🤔

I agree, the whole "she wanted power instead of children, and that gave her cancer" is a very problematic narrative.

"Don't cry for me, Marge and Tina!"

Mary Main ging back from Argentina in the fifties to the EE UU.. cause she was not "very contented"...with boths Perons..and wrote this book to win some money..in her exile time.

20:46 Now my dog is looking for a squeaky toy

2:14 I damn near choked on my Dr. Pepper when she said that! 😂

are you brazilian?

33:15 você é brasileiro? 😄🇧🇷

great video. Now I am ManCrushing on the host. ;-)

@rickramos1292

Жыл бұрын

Me too. ;-)

Will Ferrell does a phenomenal one-man show of the president guess which one his family is from Texas but he’s the only one that talks with a Texan accent and he’s a junior.😂😂

I love Drama Dorks.

Isn't it "per-OWN" instead of "per-AHN"?

I like that you call him Andy :D

@sx666

Жыл бұрын

It's rude and utterly disrespectful. Typical American.

Interstng,

In the end, you really can't condem Eva for her ambition and what she did to make it to the top. Don't forget women had very few rights, choices, or resorces in 1940s Argentina. She did what she had to do to make it in a VERY rigid mens' world. Btw..after her body was found, she was buried in her family's plot, which is now gated and locked. In Junin. Full circle.

@joaquinescotoaleman4320

Жыл бұрын

Isn't she buried in La Recolecta's cementery which is the most expensive and exclusive cementery in Buenos Aires???

Why is he so cute? 😫

Great video of one of my top 5 favorite musicals of all time, but, only the exciting, original Broadway Hal Prince production. All later stagings are horribly boring, muddled and try to mimic the movie too much.

It's strange that Tim Rice didn't agree with Evita's politics but still made a musical about her that doesn't address this

I don’t get it why’re varnish on the thumbs and forefinger?

descamisados means "men who take off their shirts." Working-class men in factories, farms, places it gets very hot while working in Centro y South America. It's a political affiliation, it means working class people who protested the government and were pro-union. Usually desperately poor and exploited people, like coal miners in Kentuckey and Ireland.

The “locals” included famous lesbian poet Elizabeth Bishop

I have seen a couple of local productions of Evita, one from a touring show as well as the movie of course and many bits and pieces on tv. I have never one time gotten the impression that she was portrayed as EVIL. I am baffled. I get greedy, selfish and a delusional but not evil. I love the Argentinian woman who said all these wonderful things Eva did to get to the top but that Madonna opened her you know what. Ummmmm, thats why she was cast perfectly bc Eva Peron did one thing well. Spread her legs to get to the top. It is amazing that the people there have so elevated her to sainthood that they cannot look and see the truth.

I thought you had cheeto dust on your fingers..it's polish. I'm a derp ☺️

We didn't shy away from the Nazi connection. Some of us in the chorus (esp on the Balcony scene) were in SS uniforms.

The implied comparison to Trump feels valid. “Entertaining Peasants” is exactly what he did. Panem et Circenses and all.

@DistantCousin

Жыл бұрын

the 2019 London production drew quite heavily on the influence of Trump.

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

Not just Trump. Biden’s recent collaboration with NowThis where he frolicked with vapid influencers also had shades of that.

@DistantCousin

Жыл бұрын

@@giovannirastrelli9821 well, yes. The Jamie Lloyd production focused on the populist politics angle of the story and stripped away the Cinderella aspect - particularly in the production design/costuming

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

@@DistantCousin I liked how Eva doesn’t don her classic “Dior” look until the last few moments of the show after she dies; the real woman is erased and replaced with a myth.

@DistantCousin

Жыл бұрын

@@giovannirastrelli9821 indeed. It was a genius move. Stripping away the iconography - which has been mostly generated by the stage show and film - and stripping it back to the woman behind it all. Making that final "reveal" all the more powerful

For me is very confusing to see what the author saied abou eva because i what the movie and for me was so emotionel to se the figth of her agains the militaris iperilistic of the USA im the latim america, i am no saynig that was perfct befor but the dictorship was brutal, but what i can say i cant espect a musical in the Broadway were show the horror of usa

55:11 - The Oligarchs actually sing “My how the WORM begins to turn.” It’s an old, obscure Britishism.

@DistantCousin

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! It's not obscure though. It is still used to this day, though not maybe as much as 40 years ago.

@giovannirastrelli9821

Жыл бұрын

@@DistantCousin It’s interesting that Tim Rice changed “Old Harovians” to “were educated at Eton,” but left the “worm” colloquialism intact for the American transfer.

So well done buddy. It is a shame you couldn't get the pronunciation correct. It is PE-RONE. Not PE-RAWN.

I thought the Santa Evita to be the worse part of the musical. Everything was uptempo until this segment slowed it down to a crawl. Maybe her death was the most significant part of her legacy since she flamed out so quickly through illness. Peron did return to Argentine politics. Political death is only the beginning.

Prawn?

Sorry but I despise Andy more than I should. His music is only rarely pleasant to my ear and his taking his private plane to London from NYC so he could vote in the Lords for a bill that would cut funding to the poor enrages me to this day. Totally off topic and irrelevant. But, you guys are terrific!

why didnt they show all the houses Eva built for the poor and all the other things she accomplished in a male dominated society?......She didnt do anything different that alot of men and women havent done here in America and around the world to climb that ladder to the top....why did they single her out?....Tim and Andrew did very much the same things themselves in order to get financial backing to get their plays produced .......why the hypocricy? and double standards from closeted gay men too!?