You don't mention the fact that the Spacing Guild are also totally missing along with the entire idea of folding space. One of the whole reasons why the planet of Dune is so important is that the spice enables space travel and the guild want to maintain that power. This has been pushed to the back in the films to make the story of the Bene Gesserit more prominent.

@seanmiller7889

3 ай бұрын

Yeah no Spacing Guild?... Wtf!

@user-fg3bn6nj8v

3 ай бұрын

It is mentioned at the beginning of Dune 1. I think the criticisms of ideology are more important that the metaphor for oil money.

@user-fg3bn6nj8v

3 ай бұрын

For me they’re certainly more interesting.

@coryv5679

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fg3bn6nj8vI mean the Spacing Guild is literally the rulers of everything in the Dune Universe... Even the Emperor bows to them. They're a major thing in the Dune Universe. Outright making them have pretty much no role is beyond stupid. Without the Spacing Guild there is no space travel.

@FinnMcRiangabra

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fg3bn6nj8v So your are not interested in the basic premise: differences between the book and the movie? You just want to advance your personal agenda?

The person who wrote the script for this video doesn’t know what they are talking about at times. James McAvoy played Paul’s SECOND son born years after the first son died. They both were named Leto II, so that might have been what caused the confusion. Still, any wiki page would easily explain this. The second Leto II has a twin sister. They are both pre-born like their aunt Alia, although I don’t believe they shared her mental illness caused from the memories/personalities of their ancestors.

@zigzagzarf

3 ай бұрын

that drove me nuts to...plus the first Leto II was also in the 1984 Dune movie...his death was there but it was extremely short...that might only be in the extended version of the movie though

@MrCruse-wy7dv

3 ай бұрын

They do share the memories/personalities of their ancestors. The reason those who are introduced to this so early are called abominations is that most times they do not have enough personality of their own to keep from being taken over/consumed by one or more of their ancestors. That is why they fear taking the water of life. In Children of Dune, they are trying to figure out how to keep from becoming an abomination like their aunt.

@zigzagzarf

3 ай бұрын

Leto II the god emperor was admittedly an abomination that was possessed by one of his ancestors...it was a former Egyptian pharaoh that ruled as a living god during his own life @@MrCruse-wy7dv

@HoLeeFoc

3 ай бұрын

@@zigzagzarf I went to the movie theatre back in 1984 to its debut and also viewed it a couple of times online and nowhere was Leto ll in any of those scenes. BUT in the 2000 SciFi channel mini series adaptation, he was shown, very brieifly as a very small child that was found by the Sardaukar terror troups.

@zigzagzarf

3 ай бұрын

not the god emporor there first child was also named leto II and he was killed its in the 84 movie...might be the longer cut but its there@@HoLeeFoc

Having Feyd-Rautha tested with the *gom jabbar* certainly changed the emphasis of his character. Keeping Thufir Hawat out was, in my opinion, a big mistake. Mentats have huge importance, and Paul's training as one is part of his being able to navigate his prescience without going mad.

@azmodanpc

3 ай бұрын

They kinda hinted at his Bene Gesserit training in the breakfast scene but other than that, the whole Mentat trainining was missing. Same happened in 1984's Lynch movie. Don't remember the syfi mini series.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

3 ай бұрын

@@azmodanpc No, his father tells Paul in the first movie that he's had Mentat training and now had to decide whether to continue. I was thrilled since that had been left out of the Lynch Dune, but then they leave out Thufir Hawat and the Mentats aren't revisited in Dune 2 at all. It changes the emphasis of the final scene not having Thufir there, choosing the Atreides over the Emperor and the Harkonnens.

@tgiacin435

3 ай бұрын

@@azmodanpcthere are three details in the book that irks me in the adaptations, ignoring Paul’s mentat training, Piter having the blue within blue eyes of spice addiction, and Jessica pointing out Mapes almost put the blade of the crysknife back without blooding it. With part 2, I wish we got to see a fremen ramming a thopter into a sardukar ship to take it out, or the sardukar literally using their thrusters escape the fremen. As well as Feyd and Thufir planning to kill the baron, and the baron punishing Feyd, and cutting out count Fenring, but I love that they kept lady Margot’s mission. Also I’d love to see the weirding room where Jessica received the warning from Margot, and the dinner party. I’m also kinda mad that the spacing guild’s involvement was cut as well as Paul saying he was only marrying Irulan in name only, and that she would be little more than a scribe while Chani would be his wife in every way but name, like how Leto never married Jessica. And as Jessica said, “those of us that bear the name concubine, history will call us wives. However I do have an idea of how they could start messiah. Have either Irulan or Alia give the narration explaining what happened during the holy war and the guild getting involved only to also get subjected to Paul. Cause I can really see the guild trying to stay out of the conflict until they have to step in since they are a neutral party and parasites of the imperium. I know I went on a bit of a rant, but there are important details that didn’t need to get left out

@etherspin

3 ай бұрын

​@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 haven't read the books, that would be amazing having the Mentat influence as it would show why Paul survives some ordeals despite being male and also would add to how dangerous he is as an individual

I enjoyed the movie but thought the direction he took Chani was disappointing. I felt the direction turned Chani into someone else.

@HoLeeFoc

3 ай бұрын

Considering how much effort the director and writers put into her character, they are going to have quite a challenge in bringing her back to Paul and reestablishing her emotional and physical intimacy with him. Betrayal is extremely hard to forgive, just ask anybody who has experienced it.

@MrVictorLind

3 ай бұрын

Fully agree with this!

@archvaldor

3 ай бұрын

"I enjoyed the movie but thought the direction he took Chani was disappointing." She comes across in the film very much as a modern liberal metropolitan woman. "men and women are equal in fremen society". That's nothing like the Chani in the book who is very much part of a primitive patriarchal culture-she's intelligent but demure-she certainly isn't proactive and assertive. I have no problem with strong female characters of which there are many in Dune - but I feel changing Chani's character didn't really make any sense.

@pelicanhill3251

2 ай бұрын

I thought the change in Chani's character was the best change from the novel to the movie. For one, it made Chani more interesting. Even in the novel she was a strong, fierce warrior, so it's not much of a jump for her to question Paul's motives. Also, it sets up Dune Messiah to be more interesting as well as Paul and Chani's reconciliation will be a major plot point.

@bridgetwalters410

2 ай бұрын

That's why we have a part 3. But Paul already knows Chani will come back to him.

There is no "genocidal Paul" or a turn towards him in the book. Paul always wanted to avenge his father and defeat the Harkonnens and the Emperor and he eventually accepts that he can't avoid the Djihad but he is always aiming at choosing the least destructive path.

@dallassegno

3 ай бұрын

Djihad? Lol what?

@str.77

3 ай бұрын

@@dallassegno Watch the 1984 film or read the book.

@radekhruby142

3 ай бұрын

@@dallassegno bruh........

@MrVictorLind

3 ай бұрын

I also thought that they made Paul waaaay more "crazy" in prep for a third movie than what was said in the books.

@OmniUni

25 күн бұрын

If memory serves, it's more that he has to come to terms with the fact that whenever he leads people in war, many will die. One of the great things about Paul's character is that slow maturing from a naive boy to someone who is willing to lead people to their death, but who never loses that internal struggle with what that means. For that matter, Chani and Irulan are hugely influential, helping him navigate his internal struggles.

Got wrong or did differently? There’s a difference.

@AkaManah45

3 ай бұрын

Not here

@KonohasYeIlowFlash

3 ай бұрын

I think this is an intentional mischaracterization to get views. This move is an adaptation-not a 1:1 retelling of the book. I think Denis artfully changed the book’s plot points to capture what Frank Herbert was trying to convey. Yeah, there were some significant changes, but I think they enhance rather than detract from the story.

@SlidingRhino

3 ай бұрын

Oh there's plenty wrong things from the book.

@shanonedwards4251

3 ай бұрын

I came here just to make the comment and you beat me to it

@KonohasYeIlowFlash

3 ай бұрын

@@SlidingRhino I think you’re confusing wrong for different. A movie adaptation does not necessarily have to be exactly like the book, and if it’s not, it’s not wrong or a mistake. It’s an ADAPTATION. I think Denis probably knows every story detail of the book but decided to make changes to effectively portray the story on screen maximizing reasonable runtime. When these changes detract from the story or end up telling the wrong message, then the movie adaptation failed. I think Denis made some very smart changes to focus on how he wanted to tell the story of Dune.

Chani and Paul's relationship was disappointing imo, in the book they are deeply in love and united when they attack Corrino. They had a child too, and all of this was omitted and it felt sad to see how different it was.

@MrVictorLind

3 ай бұрын

This was the part I really missed as well. Even in the very end when Paul asks to marry Iralan, he/jessica informs Chani that Iralan will never know love etc etc. Was sad to see how far from each other Chani and Paul was in the movies. They villanised Paul way more in the movies than in the books.

There was no mention of Paul, inline with Fremen custom, becoming the step-father to Jamis' children.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

3 ай бұрын

Which I've always thought was very important. He's a responsible parent to them, too, which isn't easy at 15, no matter the training he's had from Thufir, Jessica, and his own father. It's a huge part of Paul's development.

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

Strictly speaking, he wasn't ever their stepfather, since he never married Harah. He was their guardian, and they would have been his wards, though I would guess the Fremen likely had another term for that kind of relationship. Harah returns the favor, though, by helping to raise Alia because Jessica is such an awful excuse for a mother.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

3 ай бұрын

@@Shan_Dalamani _De facto_ parent, would have been better. Sorry about that. I don't think Jessica was a bad mother to Alia in the book; she just didn't know how to communicate with the Fremen about her daughter's difference. Harah could and did a wonderful job with it.

Suspensors, not suspenders.

Chani's worst interpretation ever

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

That's not what was really wrong. They did such a poor job of Paul's kinship with the Fremen and his more familial relationship with many including Chani. It is the cold and lacking of Paul that ruins Chani. And they do so little to come together in the film. Almost like she's just a sowing of royal oats. Really tragically bad story change. His stating that she is his love so long as he breathes is so hollow. They did nothing to show that, so her sadness (from the original story) comes across as betrayal. It really screws up the story. And the whole disinterest in having any kids in the story is so fk'ed up. How is the audience going to understand their relationship when the kid they had, just got erased, and their entire family bond is missing? She was basically his wife, short of officiating it!!! Once again, arrogant asshole directors and writers make something shittier.

@yarsivad000.5

Ай бұрын

Have to have a strong, empowered, girl boss. Modern audiences demand this over and over. They can’t get enough of it. Go girl, go Chani! Yaaaaaaa! Denis the man-that wants a Hollywood statue. Only way to get it.

@TheNefariousFox

Ай бұрын

@@yarsivad000.5 , You ain't read the book either.

@yarsivad000.5

Ай бұрын

@@TheNefariousFox Chani loves Paul, she doesn’t become his enemy? In the book her father is Kienes a white man. In Denis version she tells Paul…” You can not lead the Freemen. You are not of the desert.” Chani don’t need no white man, even though in the book she has red hair. Yes, I’ve read all the books.

I think the biggest mistake of the movies is never ever actualy showing the real power of Spice. Its like Lord of the rings movies never had a demonstration of the power of the ring. Spice is THE driving force in the universe of dune. Its a psychoactive drug, which also effects the health and physical form of a human being if its used too much. Its a drug giving super human powers and this is never every really shown. Thats a really weird decission becaus spice is so esenttial to everything. To the politics, the fremen, the nature etc. Spice is literally one of the aspects why the atreidis get killed etc. Never showing how powerful it really is, really robs the weight of the intergalactic conflicts in this world. In Part one I thought they maybe wanted to reserve that for a part two so they can show a scene where you see the harvesting of spice and the whole production phase of it so you can mirror the fremen which are getting supressed because of this drug and the wealth of the intergalactic houses using this drug to rule over the universe and travel trough space. Its also weird, because spice is also symbolic for the shattered dream of a green Arakis. Green Arakis basically doesnt exist because spice is too important for the universe and without the desert and worms you wouldnt have spice. I guess they maybe show the power of spice in Part 3. But its still weird because the spice is soooo Important for the Story and meaning of Part 1 and 2, letting it out, mainly confuses the people not familiar with the book.

@NukeDetonator

3 ай бұрын

Idk, as someone who has not read the books spice felt VERY important to the story in these movies. Its emphasized several times with its effect on Paul, and is shown to be the main driving point of the plot. I think they did a good job of showing WHY the Atreides were in danger taking over spice production and WHY the Harkonnens wanted to seize back their spice production. I also thought both movies did a good job of explaining to the viewers the concept of "Green Arrakis" and why it does not exist or will not exist due to the importance of spice and its need for space travel.

@BossXAOC

3 ай бұрын

@@NukeDetonator they showed THAT spice is important, but never ever WHY. Thats my problem. Would have loved if they showed at least once what happens if you consume spice. I think it would be a cool fantasy.

@NukeDetonator

3 ай бұрын

@@BossXAOC They did with Paul though, although I do agree that it would’ve been really cool to see how spice works in the minds of the ones who actually use it to do space travel. If done right that could rival the stargate scene from 2001 a space odyssey.

@EarendilTheBlessed

3 ай бұрын

@@NukeDetonator Nailed the answer to OP. I believe OP would be a pretty bad director. Things don't need to be OBVIOUS, for people to understand things.

@sethsmith6042

3 ай бұрын

@@BossXAOC The water of life is an example of jessica and paul taking a large, poisonous dose of spice. Its been a long time since i read the books, so I could be wrong, but I don't remember there being a scene with a guild navigator in the books. The second book shows that more. From what I remember, the books just talk about pauls usage of it, like in the movie

I didn't care for the time jump, but it does work for this movie. Also, no Thufir Hawat in the movie (when in book, he was made into Harkonnen's mentat where he slowly and subtly tried to sabotage the Harkonnen), no Count Fenring (husband of Lady Fenring-the one preserving the Harkonnen family line). Fenring was the 'almost' KH. So his presence would've been great to see the comparison of the 'almost' KH and the 'KH.' *SPOILER* When they make Jessica 'colder,' I can totally see her abandoning Alia the way the Dune novel did. I mean, Jessica left Alia to go back to Caladan and didn't return until Alia is mid 20s?

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

Alia was 16 when the twins were born, and Children of Dune begins 9 years later. Alia is therefore 25 when Children of Dune starts, though Jessica notes that Alia has been using Bene Gesserit techniques to keep herself looking younger (living on a dry planet like Arrakis doesn't do the skin any favors, even with the perks and privileges Alia had - where she could actually have water in a tub just for the luxury of bathing).

@m.c.murdoch6

Ай бұрын

The Harkonnen didn't really seem to use a mentat either. Where was Piter?

The only thing goofy is this video, not Alia in the 1984 film.

While the movie was a joy to watch and hear, I didn't care for several character changes, namely what they did to Chani. And we needed some Guild Navigators and their story line.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

3 ай бұрын

Technically, we don't get Guild Navigators until Dune Messiah, but I admit that I like Lynch including them. I thought much of how they treated Chani came about because of the time compression. Jessica was just a mess, though.

@milton1448

3 ай бұрын

Chani seems to be the main complaint, but there enough to go around. @@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

@Sab_MJsMama

3 ай бұрын

I actually like the actress that played Chani in the Dune miniseries, to James McAvoy's Paul. I am not a fan of the boss girl-ing up of these character though I understand why. I mean wouldn't a good writer be able to make that balance in a compelling way? Not too feminist but not overly passive either? I always saw Jessica as a powerful character in the books. She was no wallflower.

@BederikStorm

3 ай бұрын

​@@Sab_MJsMamaJames McAvoy played Leto II, God Emperor, not Paul. I like those series the most, they just lacked special effect budget

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

3 ай бұрын

@@Sab_MJsMama Jessica is powerful, but she was also compassionate towards Paul and his destiny. She was shocked when he took the unchanged water of life and had to fight not to have his water reclaimed while he was in the coma. Book!Jessica would never have ordered someone to give him the essence, certainly not using the voice to compel it. I liked seeing how the essence was made, but I despised Jessica during that scene whereas when I'm reading the book, I understand her choices even when I disagree with them.

James played Paul's second son. Paul names them both Leto

I still can't understand how the previous Dune got so much story told while this 2 full-feature movies have to remove so much from the book. The story itself could be very short, 30 min max. But the politics, the nuance of the characters, the ecology and mysteries, those make the bulk of it. I specifically miss the intrigue that made Thufir and Jessica fall apart, how Leto had to lie to Jessica he suspects her, how hurt she was, until the very end clears all out.

@kellymoses8566

3 ай бұрын

I found all that stuff with Thufir and Jessia very boring.

@lordhandsomeswag1854

3 ай бұрын

Let me explain so you can understand: people read book very smart they say yes I like politics and ecology and sci-fi shit so when we read book we say: yaaay! Movie people less smart on average they say "no no I just want plot and action" so only plot and action in movie. Movie VERY popular now and even book readers who understand that movie and book two different things like it too! yaaaay! Glad I could help explain in a way you will understand

@EarendilTheBlessed

3 ай бұрын

@@lordhandsomeswag1854 Pretty crappy answer. They are different medium. You want full details and have all the time of the world to imagine and think and think again? Books. Read at your pace. You want full details, but want to have less burden on imagining things. Audiobook. The reader will help you go through it at a good pace and help you imagine. You want an immersive experience where you get into the head of an artist representation of the book? Movie. There exist crappy movies (just like your answer!) and good movies.

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

@@lordhandsomeswag1854 , So what you're really saying, is that you couldn't read the books, because your brain is too small. And so you don't actually comprehend how poorly they fk'ed up some of the basic narratives. I understand now. The low budget scifi miniseries did a much better job than this. The 1980's movie did a better job than this... You're outing yourself as illiterate.

Yeah, its easy to say that Dennis' version of Chani would walk away from Paul, when Paul was meant to say to Chani that this marriage was in name only! Irulan would know no touch, no affection, no love, just the satisfaction of the title "Wife..." "We are but concubines, but history will remember us as Wives!" Lady Jessica.

Good movie SFX wise but not Dune. SciFi Channels 2000 version is superior, I said it

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

And you're right. Well, other than the goofy costumes and casting Susan Sarandon in Children of Dune. She had no business playing Wensicia.

They Voldermort'ed the Harokonnens.

The Bene Gesserit martial art is called Prada Bindu NOT Weirding Way (that's what the Fremen call it).

@Ingremance

3 ай бұрын

Hmm, if I remember correctly, Prana Bindu is more like their yoga, not a martial art.

@fireblaze333

3 ай бұрын

No, they are related but distinct. Prana-Bindu is the extreme control over nerves and muscles which is needed to be able to preform the Weirding Way

I think the introduction of the skeptical Fremen is flawed. The group of skeptics, which is basically Chani and her friends(?), serve no purpose besides Chani using every chance to spell out the message about the danger of religious leaders. The prophecy is flattened as well - as it is written, Mahdi will come. And... be there... Contrary to the book where Liet has taught people that Mahdi will help them make Arrakis green. It is also unclear what the culture of the skeptics are, besides riding worms and blowing Harkonnen up. The fractioning also creates quite a plot hole, since Chani & co. fx dismiss Water of Life as "worm piss". To me this indicates that they reject the idea of Spice having any special abilities at all - which is just bizarre.

I tend to put the differences into two categories: changes that conflict with the source material, and changes that don't. If you add something that's not said in the book one way or the other, as long as it doesn't conflict with the original plot or story, then that's fine. If you leave out something to maintain pacing or shorten the film to fit the attention span, then that's ok too, although that can also irritate fans, like leaving out the Scouring of the Shire from LOTR. The book didn't say much about what Jessica did to help Paul get the Fremen behind him, so she might very well have acted as shown in the film: free pass on that one. North vs South was contrary to the picture painted in Dune; divisions appear in Children of Dune that seem to be driven by disappointment in Paul over the jihad: fail IMO, as it wasn't even necessary to tell an equally good story. I understand the time jump, but there are bad downstream consequences in story as the assassination of his first son with Chani is one of the big emotional drivers in the second book: fail IMO, but let's see where he takes the story in the next film. The changes to the Baron's death are part of the consequences of leaving out Alia: free pass depending on what happens in the next film. The changes to Feyd Rautha have little or no impact: free pass. Chani's defiance is totally in opposition to the source material not just about the character, but about the Fremen culture; has no one noticed that the Fremen in the book don't pair bond like we do as the women are warriors and have children by different men; perhaps people have misinterpreted Chani's anger at the end of the film of jealousy when it is in fact anger at the Atreides' political manipulation; either way it's completely against the source material: hard fail. Rabban's death at Gurney's hands has little or no impact on the story: free pass. Irulan's expanded role is hinted on with the quotes from her journals being used in the introduction to several chapters; it has no effect on the story and helps development: free pass.

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

This north/south division of the Fremen is ridiculous. It never happened in the book, and it makes NO sense that Chani and Stilgar would be in political opposition. He is her uncle, FFS, and helped to raise her.

@druidriley3163

3 ай бұрын

@@Shan_Dalamani They had to explain Javier Barden's accent.

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

@@druidriley3163 Why? David Lynch didn't bother explaining why Jurgen Prochnow (Duke Leto), Francesca Annis (Jessica), and Kyle Maclachlan (Paul) had different accents (German vs British vs American). Somehow the audience was able to ignore it. I guess modern audiences really do need everything spoonfed.

@druidriley3163

3 ай бұрын

@@Shan_Dalamani Different times.

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

@@druidriley3163 As I said: Modern audiences need to be spoonfed. They don't seem able to think for themselves.

Alia was awesome in and not comical or whatever you said in the 1984 version. She was creepy as she should be.

@BossXAOC

3 ай бұрын

Nah. She wasnt creepy she just was awfuly acted and presented so she seemed extremely trashy. Tbh I like the Concept of Villeneuve of her talking from the womb to her mother. It actual is a lot more mysterios without having the risk of making it look silly to have a 2 year old killing people per telepathy. I also think Paul killing Baron and not Alia, makes it waaaay more personal and emotional. Alia killing the baron was very anti climatic in the book.

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

@@BossXAOC So you're suggesting that Jessica having conversations with her in utero daughter isn't weird at all, or that the Bene Gesserit wouldn't kill her due to fears that SHE was becoming Abomination?

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

And in the scifi miniseries, Alia was amazing. The notion that they couldn't do it, really stands to show that they were terrified of not being as good as a low budget miniseries. They even changed a few lines for the worse, in what could only be described as desperation to make it different. (Idaho "Thank you for offering of your moisture" vs Paul "Thank you for the gift of your water.") -That was cringe level dumb to change. -They lost the old addage, if you're going to change something, it had better be an improvement. Wow did they fk that up more than a few times... It was very apparent that the writers had seen it, and were desperate to make changes... --- People who only compare to the 1980's movie clearly never saw the best adaptation to date. Which is still the best adaptation to date. And will probably maintain that status, since these modern writers can't hack it. If you haven't seen the scifi miniseries, and you like this story... Then do yourself a favor, and look past the low budget special effects, costumes and sets, and partake in the best screen version of the story. I had to go rewatch the miniseries, because the movies just weren't good enough. Some of the changes are just laughably worse.

a 2 yr old speaking like an adult is terrifying, not goofy.

@bubblesthemonkey6615

3 ай бұрын

I mean…it can come off pretty goofy

@kananfenrith1756

3 ай бұрын

i think the real issue is what child actor in exsistence could have played that character? it would have come off silly or they would have to age her up even more which would have been an even longer time skip which would have made less sense for the actors ages

@kujojotarostandoceanman2641

3 ай бұрын

they execute it badly that's why it's goofy and not terrifying

@Armored_Muskrat

3 ай бұрын

@@kananfenrith1756 "what child actor in exsistence could have played that character?" Not really a problem any more with CGI.

@fireblaze333

3 ай бұрын

No in the book it is phenomenal

Feyd looks almost exactly like the head zombie in Legend.

all I wanted was Alia , the films are great but no Alia is a major disappointment.

Why change the story? The capability to make this story accurately using FX is here. If you can believe in multiple universes and this is just one of them why change the story. It is the epitome of hubris to believe the author got this classic wrong and it needed to be tweeked by omittin important data, remaking charater personalities and adding content that was not in the book. 😒

@str.77

3 ай бұрын

I don't think it is so much thinking the author got things wrong but thinking that the audience is so dumb that you have to hit them over the head with certain aspects of the story - aspects that were first missed durig Dune's initial reception but which are nowadays overempasized.

The movie did a poor job selling the love between Chani and Paul. There is no tenderness between them. She barely smiles at him. Most of time she looks at Paul, it is a look of disapproval or like she just smelled a fart.

@lordhandsomeswag1854

3 ай бұрын

whack take I thought it showed fair more tenderness than the book

You could have mentioned somewhere in the video that there are some spoilers about the Dune 3, thanks.

I would have liked to see more Christopher Walken. No meeting between a guild Navigator and the emperor! That was a letdown. The movie was good, but I would have preferred more substance less ambience.

@MorseAttack

3 ай бұрын

that meeting is not in the book either though... We will see the navigator in part three, I cant wait!

@bmbell71

3 ай бұрын

I agree with more Walken, but the meeting of the Emporer and Guild Navigator was an invention of the Lynch '84 film. The next book there is a meeting between a Guild Navigator and the Reverand Mother Mohiam.

You talk about all these changes like it's OK that they happened. It is not. Also, Beast Rabban's LAST NAME is RABBAN! Why is everyone getting this wrong? His first name is Glossu and his title is Count.

It is not even close to everything, but how Paul rose to power is significant. The entire arch of the count is missing, and Barron's killing off Feyd's slave girls had a major impact on Feyd. Also, Feyd is seen as cunning and violent; the aggressive flavor isn't a big deal, given his willingness to act out the gladiatorial scene. Thufir is completely missing, along with his suicide for his realization of what he did to Lady Jessica. Gurney's reaction to Jessica was under the same assumption as Thufir, as well as how much distrust there was between Gurney and Sadakaur and how challenging it was for them to merge forces. Leto II, who dies, is not the Leto II of further novels. Paul losing his son is the primary driving force to giving in his revenge. Jamis' wife, Harah, is left out, and she is critical to the story. Aliah can't be left out; her being an abomination and the path the Fremen somewhat excepting her existence is too important. Feyd was not tested. And much, much more

I want to see Florence Pugh in a role with her English Accent intake. She has always had an American or accent in all the roles she has done. I would really hoping that as Princess Irulan I would actually get to hear her natural voice. But I do agree with Villienus having her with an accent that matches Christopher Walken's "Standard American" Accent that he gave to the Emperor.

This looks good.I agree with comments this is adaptation. You leave some scenes out,to show movie more,more action.Like Lort is adaptation. As others are. This is very good. Good video

This movie was really good but the dune 2000 version has a better story and its 6 hours long then watch children of dune a other 6 hours but its goes over 3 books.

I want the thing that the writer smoked when he wrote the script for this video... I mean, the results looks promising.

lot of these commenters sound like they haven’t read the book

Watched just now. Awesome movie

The posing and staging looks cringe and wannabe-edgy compared to past media, it was cool during the times of Blade the Vampire hunter, but guess the new generations wouldn't notice especially with all the "movements" going on these days.

Different Leto II

I am conflicted with Chani's reaction as presented and really hope that her reaction isn't because she feels sidelined in the marital market. Remember that Paul promised he wasn't going to seek power. And she is aware of his visions that say that if he takes control all hell is going to break loose. Taking Irulan in marriage is a political move to give him legitimacy as Emperor - all part of the not seeking power that he said he wasn't going to do. It just goes to show that she can claim to be a disinterest atheist so to speak but her actions betray that she does believe that his visions are in fact going to come to pass. Is her anger a cover for a deep terror of the future? Hopefully Part III will clarify.

The Aliya and baby Leto story is wrong, I didn't like it at all.

05:04 "SuspenSORS", not "SuspenDERS" is what the Baron wears. Read the book carefully and get everything right before you make a video about what the movie got wrong!

WTF? Okay, Villeneuve has to forever STFU about being "faithful" to the novel. He needs to STFU about directing Dune Messiah, because by not having Alia alive to kill the Baron, he's eliminated more than half the plot and character motivation from Dune Messiah, not to mention eliminating Alia's descent into Abomination in Children of Dune, when she's possessed by the Baron. And what is this utter BS about "northern Fremen" and "southern Fremen"? The Fremen are scattered all over the PLANET, in tribes that inhabit sietches. Each sietch is a community unto itself, and there is no way in hell that Stilgar and Chani would be on opposite sides in this. Stilgar is Chani's uncle, who raised her in his household after her parents' deaths (her parents were Faroula and Liet-Kynes). Villeneuve has made it clear beyond all doubt that he doesn't understand the books, and is just making shit up.

@yoolec

3 ай бұрын

True.

@SovKnight

3 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!!!!! Some of us get it. This movie was just Hollywood garbage. It was pretty, but not faithful at all to the source.

@NuntiusInfestissumam

3 ай бұрын

It is nice not to feel alone - is mass hysteria! The Emperor wearing no clothes. It was a pretty movie, excellently done, but it was NOT Dune.

@Mady-lo6qb

3 ай бұрын

I felt that the way they presented Jessica it was as though she was possessed. 🤦‍♀ Oddly though, it made me think about the Quranic portrayal of Jesus. In Quran 19:29-33 Jesus speaks to the people as a newborn. But earlier, we have this: Quran 19:21 And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!" 22 Then [the babe 'Iesa (Jesus) or Jibrael (Gabriel)] *cried unto her from below her, saying:* "Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under you. If Jesus is the one speaking here, then is he doing so from the womb? Is this what the Quran is implying? Are the ones who crafted the changes with Jessica drawing a parallel with this idea?

@druidriley3163

3 ай бұрын

*and there is no way in hell that Stilgar and Chani would be on opposite sides in this. Stilgar is Chani's uncle, who raised her in his household* Sooooo you're saying kids can't have different political views from their parents? LOL

The book is THE book! It is the template by which you follow! People want to see THE BOOK! They are not wanting to watch someone's imaginings of what it could be, or done differently! Adaptation is NOT reinterpretation! It is faithfully following what the author wrote! You can't change Gone With The Wind, make it an all Asian cast, and set it in Brooklyn! It would be ridiculous! Think about it!

If you want everything is exactly like the book, then read the book

@SovKnight

3 ай бұрын

And if you adapt a beloved book, then be faithful to the story. Otherwise write your own damn story and leave ours alone.

I liked how they handled Alia. I think having her as a little kid would've come off a little goofy, her still being a fetus was much more creepy, even if it differs from the source material

@marlonmoncrieffe0728

3 ай бұрын

Yes, very original and very clever.

Plenty.

They are pushing the Chani-Jessica-Alia-Irulan fem-dom/boss-girl thing for the next movie. Paul will be a weak sidenote.

Chani too cosmopolitan to make sense of v a character

I love how the fans of the movie are just disregarding this video even when he is just stating his opinion.

@EarendilTheBlessed

3 ай бұрын

The title of the video and exactly what he says at the begining of the video is quite affirmative. No "opinion"

@SovKnight

3 ай бұрын

It would be OK if the narrator of the video had his facts straight, but the number of mistakes he makes regarding the book proves that he does not.

The thing is that Looper appear not to have read the book as they are getting major plot lines wrong in this summary about how the film differed from the book. Please do your research otherwise you loose credibility with you viewers.

I'm going to see this movie tomorrow. I've watched multiple channel's break downs, because I've read the book at least 4 times and watched the infinitely better ( I define better as true to the book). God only knows how many times. I didn't think it could be spoiled for me, but I despise the changes, and it is spoiled.

The movie was recontextualized. At least they didn’t make it a femenist fest but they made some things make alittle more sense

Dune Part 2 was big disappointment for me. Why do Directors feel the need to stray from the book's story line?

@marlonmoncrieffe0728

3 ай бұрын

...Because they only have so much time and money.

@asbjrnandersen4222

3 ай бұрын

In order to avoid the David Lynch version.

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

@@asbjrnandersen4222 , Nope. They were desperate in some line changes to avoid being like the miniseries. Some of those changes were laughably terrible, and obvious. The miniseries is still the best film adaptation, and from the looks of it, that will not change anytime soon.

Hi

I'm not a fan of what they did to Chani in the end. The fact that she said that she'll support him, and then all of a sudden abandons him doesn't quite make sense.

Chani sucked in the movie, she more of a adult and not childish , she knows the marriage means nothing

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

They were basically married and had a kid... So cutting that means that the entire connection is lost. Who TF believes Paul when he says he loves her til his last breath. Paul now appears to be nothing more than a royal who found a commoner to fk for a while. Such a despicable change.

I do not recall Paul having children until after the first book.

@KonohasYeIlowFlash

3 ай бұрын

He had a son with Chani in the first book who was killed in the siege of Sietch Tabr. I think removing him was a good decision to give Chani and Paul’s relationship/dynamic room to grow. Denis did a good job of streamlining the story to capture its essence instead of telling a 1:1 story.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

3 ай бұрын

He was the adoptive father of Jamis' sons and had a child with Chani who was killed at the end of the book. They have Chani wearing the blue scarf indicating she's a mother without her being one.

@JPayne-ul4qd

3 ай бұрын

This is Dune part 2. In the book Chani had twins, a boy and girl.

@KonohasYeIlowFlash

3 ай бұрын

@@JPayne-ul4qd The had a son, Leto II, in the first Dune book who was killed. The twins are a spoiler for the next book, Dune Messiah.

@kenglasson2920

3 ай бұрын

Quite correct, the scarf indicated she was a parent. In a scene she wraps the scarf around her arm and I wonder if that was meant to indicate the child was dead.? @@fabrisseterbrugghe8567

"wrong"

not "got wrong." *changed.* there's a difference. i'm quite sure denis is aware he's made changes to the source material

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

He changed it so it's wrong. It's like he's trying to insist that 2 + 2 = 5.

Wrong ??? Its DV's interpretation of the book. Besides a 1 to 1 translation within a movie runtime is impossible. The book is way to deep & dense for that, maybe a 12 episode series could manage it.

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

, Hey look, another j*ck*ss asserting opinions without having even read the source material...

i really like Feyd Rautha, best character of the movie!

I was really looking forward to seeing this movie. Sadly though I was highly disappointed in it. Was not impressed at all. Sorry. Not sorry. I'd rather watch the old version again.

I wouldn't say they got it wrong. Would just say they did it differently.

I recently listened to the audiobooks and disagree with some of what you wrote. I thought the movie was fairly true to the original story over all. I thought Lady Jessica was portrayed the same. You mention the absent Leto II but don't forget he had a twin sister Ghanima as well. Was Duncan Idaho missing in the movie? He has a big role in the books but not sure about the timeline. The books may claim equality between the sexes but I don't see it in practice. I love the stories but not exactly peak feminism, despite fierce fremen women. Not that it has to be to be a good story. Otherwise I liked your comparisons.

This is such BS. This is a masterpiece. PERIOD. With the complexity of this book and what time frame he had, he mastered it. Get a grip.

@Shan_Dalamani

3 ай бұрын

HAHAHAHAHA... NO. Villeneuve butchered it.

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

The book is a masterpiece. You ain't read it. Clearly!

10:30 Nice 10:34 Disgusting

I’m fine with the movie just like the movie The Godfather, the movie and the book doesn’t necessarily mean to be exact that’s why it’s called screenplay, dah! Unless you are a writer, I say shut up! Even Mario Puzo who assisted Francis Ford Coppola made changes to Godfather 2 and 3, remuneration in the book Santino didn’t fathered an illegitimate son in Godfather and there’s nothing wrong with the changes so it’ll go with the flow os said movie. I’ve read Dune and it’s one of the hardest book to turn into a screenplay and Denis Villaneiuve did a magnificent job. I’ve at least seen the movie Dune 2 five times ❤️❤️❤️, I loved the movie Dune 1 and 2 equally ❤️❤️❤️

The movies are horribly cast and vapid hollywoodified confectionary.

I was confused throughout the entire movie until the actor turned into a demon. However, this was nothing new, as most movies have used prophecies before. It was at this point that I became bored.

it's not "wrong", it's called taking artistic license so the movie can exist on it's own with a cohesive throughline and non-bum-numbing screen time. book purists sometimes need to understand this and judge an artistic expression in another FORM just as that - another FORM.

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

Another id**t who doesn't know the material from which the movie was made. When it's shittier, and shallower, people have a right to be irritated. If you can't make it as good as the source. Even if you have to cut like crazy like the 80's movie did, to fit time. You don't make fundamental changes that fk up the story.

Got wrong...? Or just did differently in the adaptation? Either way, nice click-bait title.

After feeling so negative about what I considered the butchering of the Dune novel and loosing the whole sense of what is the driving main themes and underlying story, a perspective of how Hollywood operates these days can explain the adaptation that has been done here. Perhaps the real reason why Dune was made in the first place was not about anything else but making money. Holywood seems obsessed with creating franchises to do this rather than good movies, and when they come across a popular series of books like Dune, the first thought that comes into the minds of the Hollywood executives and producers is, How can we make money out of this by branding this as a franchise? Forget about the story, forget about the characters, concentrate on what can used as bait to create interest and hype so as to bring in an audience and make money with smart marketing and slick visuals on screen. Seems like with part 1 , Dune 2 with a reportably $190 million budget looks to be breaking even, or even making a small profit. With all that money spent, it seems to have all gone into SFX as it is a spectacular movie in its vision of the Dune universe with much attention to detail that I liked. The sad part of this movie, as with the first, unlike with the Lord of the rings, it seems not much effort or detail has gone into the script and story,leaving the movie as a good looking, but hollowed out version of the book. One thing that has been a consequence. I have just started to read the Dune trilogy again, something I was about to do before the first movie came. After seeing Dune 2. I will not be going to see Dune 3, if there is a Dune 3 going to be made to continue the franchise, not just on the big screen, but as reported, on streaming as well.

This Movie remake "Sucks"!! The short TV series was way better, than this Turd of a movie. They jump ahead too quickly and the actual Battle scenes were too short and a major let down!!

@ShaunSandilands80

3 ай бұрын

And the Part One wasn't bad at all looked really good. But I think a 3 part movie would of been better. Rushing a great Book is a insult to the fans.

Yeah... Don't want to watch it.

@deviantan021

3 ай бұрын

A freaking cinematic masterpiece? Your huge loss.

'Got wrong' or simply 'changed'?

just minor differences to me its a perfect adaptation great movie

Didn’t ask

i don't think they "got it wrong" .... they made decisions that make more sense in a movie.. not everything that is written in a book makes sense on the big screen, and the 1984 movie proved this. the 1984 movie feels like a joke compared to the Dune movies from 2021/2024. imagine milking a cat in 2024 :)))

@robertbimo

3 ай бұрын

like the emperor dancing while paul and feyd have duel ??? LOL

I wanted to love dune 2. At the least I wanted to like it. What a garbage movie. The older dune movie is FAR superior.

garbage 🗑️

it's a Cinematic ADAPTATION ...not Frank Herbert's DUNE on Film. an Adaptation. do you understand ? DUNE is impossible to film because a faithfull rendition would take three 3 hour films so full of details...and philosophical dialogue that ONLY one tenth of the Movie going public would appreciate. There you are... it has to be made into a film that would sell. Somewhat simplified and saleable. I hope you're not implying Villeneuve did not read the book enough and fell short of actually understanding how to proceed ! He got a 190M budget....for good reasons. This is A BUSINESS. The Business of making profitable movies. NOT a RELIGION. Villeneuve got it right...and he's getting fantastic reviews. period. If you want the story as it was written...you pick the book up and you read it again. Regards.

So, what is the point of this video. If you have not read the book it is meaningless, if you have read the book you know. Pointless.

Bad title for this video.

7:46 Fremen woman are not equals. The fremen society is like the muslim world.

Get it wrong? No, Denis just changed some things from the book.

This movie made me appreciate the original movie even more! Even the ride on the worms looked more impressive, because they looked high up, riding like kings! In this film, yes, Paul's first ride was breathtaking, but in general the riders looked like bloody kite-surfers... The biggest flaws for me: - leaving out Alia, she doesn't get a name and she doesn't get BORN!! - Paul killing the Baron instead of her looked cheap, didn't care for it at all. - bald Harkonnens instead of red haired - Lady Jessica NOT being a reserved and controlled Bene Gesserit EVER! She's ALWAYS in distress!! - making Stilgar the comic relief, Life of Brian reference included - making Kynes a black woman, just BECAUSE - the ending with Chani storming off - she still loved Paul and would never have left him because of necessary political decisions. The original cast was WAY superiour in almost every aspect. I found the original Baron way more intimidating and scary. So the movie was good looking but still incredibly flawed.

@Mady-lo6qb

3 ай бұрын

Jessica always seemed to be having panics attacks. I could understand when Paul was being tested. But not the other time I think when he had the reaction to the spice. Maybe some scene was left on the cutting room floor. 🤷‍♀

This movie series was given such opportunity to get it right and build upon the miniseries' success. But they botched so bad! Too much deviation from the books makes for a slew of woke nonsense. Not worth the watch. Stick to the miniseries if you're looking for the BEST dune adaptation.

dune 2 was an abortion this is an apologist vid for a filmmkaker who thinks he knows better than the author villaneuve is a vandalist

Sounds like a dumb movie

It’s an adaptation…it’s not wrong, it’s just not exactly the same.

They didn't get anything wrong. They improved it. I've read the first book multiple times over my 40+ years...and the entire series (including prequel books) once through. These films improved on the book, handily.

I feel like they ruined so many characters in Dune 1-2. The Gender swap and race swap of a character is beyond stupid. Not to mention Chani is black because PC. This means Paul's kids will be half black which makes no damn sense and is lore breaking. Dune 2000 is such a better movie as it follows the book so well.

@druidriley3163

3 ай бұрын

In the book, Paul is a small 15 year old. Did you complain about that character change as well? Making him a man and tall and 23 years old?

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

@@druidriley3163 , No, because that doesn't change the story. Ruining the character dynamics, and whole cloth changing entire storylines is terrible. OP's problem with gender swaps is just their own stupidity adding to the mix. None of that would matter if the writers could even follow the original story.

@druidriley3163

2 ай бұрын

@@TheNefariousFox *Ruining the character dynamics* For example? *whole cloth changing entire storylines is terrible* When did they do that?

@TheNefariousFox

2 ай бұрын

@@druidriley3163 , Chani and Paul, Paul and Chani's son, Alia, The Baron Harkonnen.

@druidriley3163

2 ай бұрын

@@TheNefariousFox ​ @TheNefariousFox *Chani and Paul, Paul and Chani's son, Alia, The Baron Harkonnen* OK, how did their portrayal "ruin character dynamics and change entire storylines'?

Got wrong? Come on. Denis Villeneuve knows that book backwards. What was different was deliberate. Be better than this.

"got wrong from the book"...why the divisive and clickbaity title?

lameeeee video