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@monkedegenerate3401

Жыл бұрын

I think this director is pretty based, don't give an f about everyone...

@FPS_NO

11 ай бұрын

@@monkedegenerate3401I would see why he would say about china but South Korea idk why

@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961

11 ай бұрын

​@@FPS_NOCSM's animation was garbage, as I expected. They looked terrible, so there is no point in defending them. I don’t care if it is some special animation style such as "realism" or what not; it still looks terrible to me. They added these filler scenes just to flex their "animation," which made me cringe to be honest, but I'm sure they will speedrun the rest of the episode so that they won't bother animating this disastrous garbage in the future. I'm glad that the anime was heavily butchered by MAPPA because Chainsaw Man is the most overrated and underwhelming anime of all time.

The funny thing about "Nakayama hates anime/moe anime, don't understand anime" narrative is if you see his resume he literally did lot of key animation for what lot of people considered as an "anime" heck few of them are you could say moe anime like idolmaster for example. Also one of the most talked about Jujutsu Kaisen episode which is episode 19 was directed by him. This guy KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS what "anime" is and he worked on lot of them and not a guy who popped out of nowhere to be a director, he just a guy who trying different approach/vision on his directorial debut as an series director from what he usually do as an animator.

@etherealhatred

Жыл бұрын

But even tho this is true the reality is that his direction isn't for the liking of the main audience they're trying to captivate being the reason of it's failure, it's not what people wanted nor expected, of course western audiences gonna love it, most people introduced to the manga were introduced for the anime, japanese audience wasn't that case, they expected what they already knew and saw on the manga, and even if "but it's his direction" "i respect his direction" that's then again, the reason why it's failing, this is still a business and their focus as a business is to please their audience

@lunascomments3024

Жыл бұрын

and he get shat on 😂. fucking up and find out is not just American only update bro.

@abhrajeet841

Жыл бұрын

​@@etherealhatredfirst of all, it isn't a failure. It was a financial success as stated by the CEO of Mappa himself. And second of all, you're just plain wrong. I, and many other people, had already read the manga before the anime was announced and we loved the anime. Wanna know why? Because we didn't make up our own headcannons about how the story is "supposed" to be and we did not speed read the entire manga. The most common complaint I've heard about the anime is that it isn't chaotic like the manga, but the parts that the anime has covered till now were not at all chaotic in the manga either. This was the slowest, and weakest part of the manga. Second complaint is, dull colour palette. Where? Show me one single scene where the colour palette is "dull". The art direction in the anime is vibrant af and plenty colourful. You guys are just hating for the sake of it atp.

@noelbabu1503

Жыл бұрын

​@@abhrajeet841more than 5000 languages in the world and you chose to speak facts. W

@aaaa-px7ng

Жыл бұрын

@@abhrajeet841 Very few anime fail financially. By the way, live-action adaptations of manga are mostly financially successful.

Fujimoto literally is a film buff. I’m sure Fujimoto is ok with it. Plus if you want the anime to be like the manga, just read the manga damn.

@Yahirplaysminecraft

Жыл бұрын

I don't think wanting a more faithful adaptation is asking for too much.

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

yeah it sucks cuz fujimoto would always praise the anime on his twitter but haters are still discrediting fujimoto's opinions??! theres no way of pleasing these peeps

@Under.r

Жыл бұрын

with that logic people cant complain about berserk or tokyo ghoul adaptions because "read the manga"

@boheej1170

Жыл бұрын

@@Under.r there is difference cuz those shows are bad in general. Ppl are just mad that csm is cinematic which isn’t bad because it’s made poorly. It’s obvious that CSM anime had fujimotos blessing. I’d also say it’s faithful. They only skipped one fight that really didn’t matter much

@Yahirplaysminecraft

Жыл бұрын

@@boheej1170 so you admit it's made poorly?

Ryū Nakayama did an amazing job with the adaption. He captured the feel of a chainsaw man. The people who are sending him death threats are losers that need to touch some grass.

@923crono

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The adaptation was beautiful. Feels like a loud minority with no life are upset because it didn't fit "their" vision. If it was anything like the 2017 Beserk adaptation, I would understand

@millennial_weeb2382

Жыл бұрын

Can you tell me how the Adaptation was amazing in it's own way compared to the original?

@radiabdallah2870

Жыл бұрын

@@millennial_weeb2382 do you even know fujimoto's love for cinema ?

@Unnecesary_Grik

11 ай бұрын

@@millennial_weeb2382 I watched the anime and later got into the manga, and yes, the anime gives you different vibes from the manga but you need to realized that Fujimoto already saw the anime adaptation as his work and not as a "product" or something different from the writer, and also even Ryu stated that he wanted to express Fujimoto work into the adaptation not him, which Fujimoto said he love cuz of "a lot of blood" or you know the most normal things Fujimoto would said in his interview lol.

@Rami-L

11 ай бұрын

great adaptation, did not capture the feel of the manga at all though

I can understand the poor working conditions Nakayama's vision caused. There was no doubt his approach was highly ambitious, but I can still respect his cinematic style.

@user-xx3wf5mr9o

10 ай бұрын

I heard that the new director is Hinori Tanaka, if these rumors are true, chainsaw man will be in a whole new different level

@ericdragon4137

8 ай бұрын

@@user-xx3wf5mr9othat's just a Rumor.Ryu still the Director

Fujimoto: makes a manga inspired by Western cinematography Nakayama: makes an adaptation of the manga with elements of Western cinematography Fans that didn't even read the manga: ༽◺_◿༼

@lunascomments3024

Жыл бұрын

lol are you fucking kidding me. fans don't buy Blu ray because they are manga readers. fans that don't read manga bought Blu rays

@N5FX

Жыл бұрын

The west only caused misery and degeneracy to spread around the world. I hope both of those two people get whats coming for them for praising the west

@Recky_XD

11 ай бұрын

Lmao

@jase276

11 ай бұрын

The thing about it is the manga has cinema references but it's not a cinematic manga by any means

@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227

11 ай бұрын

@@jase276Yeah because its not a cinema its a manga 😂 it literally cant do that

I don’t watch a lot of anime, and have never read a manga before, but I have watched all of Chainsaw man and have bought and read the manga, and also read the chapters as they come out. That’s how good the show is.

@rizalisnanto

Жыл бұрын

Damn! So Chainsaw Man is the first manga you have ever read?

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

you have good taste!

@TheRelentlessAssault

Жыл бұрын

@@rizalisnanto nope I have never read a Manga before reading Chainsaw man. I have been reading American comics since I was 10 years old. I have watched some Anime in my life time, but not a lot of them. Chainsaw Man was such a enjoyment I actually plan to read all of Fujimoto’s work as well.

@rizalisnanto

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRelentlessAssault good for you! and yeah I recommend you read his another works like Fire Punch and the one-shots Look Back and Goodbye, Eri. He is one of my favorite mangaka and I could say one of celebrated mangaka in recent years.

@Yahirplaysminecraft

Жыл бұрын

Well you didn't know the source material so you didn't have specific expectations for the anime. Most hate for the anime comes from people who know the source material.

I’m also surprised how little this idiot sentiment is cast into studio like Kyoto Animation, who nowadays almost exclusively make anime stylized to look more cinematic. This all reads as some of the most shallow opinions ever publicly spread. Whatever. I hope they don’t replace him, he did a great job. If there was a way for them to sell to the west or get more western support more directly, That’d be awesome.

@Yahirplaysminecraft

Жыл бұрын

Kyoani's just better than mappa

@14megasxlr

Жыл бұрын

@@Yahirplaysminecraft I mean.... I can't DISagree with that :/

@Hwaryun666

Жыл бұрын

The anime adaptation felt soulless, the expressions of characters compared to the manga was very restricted and felt blant

@JustAsh001

Жыл бұрын

​​​​@@Hwaryun666what the hell are you talking about? This adaptation had so much passion. The movie quality animation and the cinematography was God tier and not to mention they added a lot of stuff if that's not passion I don't know what is and also those ASMR scenes were just amazing

@Emerardo

Жыл бұрын

Anime shouldn't be made for westerners

Oh man I thought you were going to say he was a bad guy who's done really bad things but it's just internet people making a huge deal out of nothing (and that's just a day that ends in y).

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

an average day on anitwitter haha

@Jiub_SN

Жыл бұрын

That's how society works

Yes. Please explain this to me, because it makes no goddamn sense to me that the show sold as poorly as it did.

@lokksiders__2151

11 ай бұрын

Bocchi killed the csm hype.

@philippei2309

11 ай бұрын

Bocchi was actually well directed

@peek3246

11 ай бұрын

Bocchi actually had soul in it's directing

@scythe9734

11 ай бұрын

Chack your information, instead of following whatever you hear on KZread or Twitter.

@odsttrooper3724

11 ай бұрын

@@lokksiders__2151bocchichan tards cryin because csm is extensively more popular than bocchi ever will be

I love the cinematic approach to the series, it feels like a breath of fresh air lol

@thekidflash4566

Жыл бұрын

Lair

@mrjong-pildasong1468

Жыл бұрын

@@thekidflash4566 lair

@thekidflash4566

Жыл бұрын

@@mrjong-pildasong1468 hahaha hahaha

@thekidflash4566

Жыл бұрын

@@mrjong-pildasong1468 even you agree with me

@N5FX

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you weebs need to go outside and smell actual air

It’s a great anime tho~

@Gamerhub733

Жыл бұрын

I never recover from watching this anime anymore 🗿 trust me and so do you

@bilelsmith6333

Жыл бұрын

Chainsaw man is low budget anime ...right 🤔

@Bluuveeee

Жыл бұрын

@@bilelsmith6333You mf’s just be hating atp

@ArjunTheRageGuy

Жыл бұрын

Truly one of the animes ever made

@rifl-rex

Жыл бұрын

Yeah...

I mean the "cinematic" style is what made the first season interesting. The characters are cool, but from what I hear this part of the series is the most mundane it gets, and that shows; It's the direction that made it feel like such a breath of fresh air...

@CheekiTiki

10 ай бұрын

To add on to your comment I don't even think CSM has much of a "western cinematic style" rather than it just having cinematography with actual skill behind it. Most anime are completely bereft of interesting cinematography outside of their action scenes. I hope CSM shows the rest of the industry just how beautiful a simple dialogue or SOL scene can look.

@akaneki7234

10 ай бұрын

@@CheekiTiki Mappa have done similar work with JJK season 2 and I’m loving it, every scene is framed in an interesting way that you just don’t see in most Shounen anime

@CheekiTiki

10 ай бұрын

@@akaneki7234 I noticed too. Season 2 of JJK looks gorgeous, moreso than season 1 without a doubt. Same studio within mappa so it's no surprise I guess.

@Henrique-wv9xq

10 ай бұрын

Aside from the lack of colors in some scenes, and the downgrade in comedic depiction of some others, I believe the direction is what made the first season special, and not just another fight anime with silly goofs and a over the top violence. It sure can improve in season 2, taking some feedback, but calling it anything close to a bad adaptation, when it even managed to improve upon a lot of scenes from the manga and even on the pacing, is just bs.

@CheekiTiki

10 ай бұрын

@@Henrique-wv9xq I'll take this sentiment even further and say feedback be damned. I think any feedback taken from the extremely loud portion of fans giving it will only make for a worse product. I think brighter colors and heavier comedic emphasis would only take away from the hyper realistic style that makes it so special. I hope Ryu stays on and sticks to his guns for season 2.

This gave me hope for a great season 2 of csm. I really really hope they dont kick the bucket with nakayama. I dont want to but wont complain if they change the style a bit but.i absolutely love that man's vision

Reading through Chainsawman again is a very different feel from watching it. Because it's funny. Chainsawman in manga form has borderline comedic pacing, especially in the earlier arcs. The feel of the anime was the feel I would expect around the Gun Devil arc, not the "Denji is a wacky goober in a world of jaded devil hunting maniacs" feeling we got. This is ESPECIALLY true of the early Reze chapters, his awkwardness isn't foreboding or relateable, it's skit-worthy. Chainsaw Man is a Slice of Life manga where people die horrifically. It's about Denji the loser trying to find out what being normal is like while also keeping up with a very abnormal job. That's the charm that you can only get from the manga, because the anime makes it feel like you're one episode away from watching a depressing, upsetting and horrific drama.

@r33s3mane

10 ай бұрын

perfect way to sum it up just two different tones

@quasogod

8 ай бұрын

the feels that the gun devil arc - control devil arc gives and the feels of the arcs before them are completely different which, make csm so good

@TheGrandpaLore

6 ай бұрын

I didn't feel that way when reading CSM. I was always like, "Shit keeps getting worse for these guys and not in a skit way."

WTF? His work was outstanding. And i read manga as well. The fuck are they talking about? How can you make it better than what we have? Fujimoto's work is a film more, than it is a manga. It is by design, and you can see that in anime adaptation as well. This is actually amazing. I am so confused. Besides, blue-ray sales are not a marker of success.

@matth1641

11 ай бұрын

Honestly, his vision was the correct approach. Realism for Chainsaw Man makes a lot of sense considering the manga is basically a film and Fujimoto is obsessed with Western films. I loved the anime but I do have some minor complaints about it. Regardless, I want the man back for Season 2 with a vengeance. Fuck the haters.

@CheekiTiki

10 ай бұрын

Just goes to show that there are some people who will never be happy with what is given to them. As a die hard manga fan, I could never have wished for an adaptation of this level of quality.

@andrewacacia9851

10 ай бұрын

@@CheekiTiki People are not obligated to like what you like, the anime and the manga give very different feelings and people didnt like that, its that simple-

@CheekiTiki

10 ай бұрын

@@andrewacacia9851 You're free to dislike it. I just very much doubt that you could have gotten anything better.

@FunkOnO

10 ай бұрын

''how can you make it better than what we have?'' simple, give it to studio trigger

I feel like 90% of this just comes from unrealistic expectations. I personally thought the adaptation was great and still managed to convey the feel of the series. If this is the standard of quality needed to get this level of backlash i wonder what is going to happen to the director who replaces Nakayama (if there is a change) and it turns out worse than this.

Man I can't believe how little the blu-rays were sold

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

that week 2 sales of 100 units was esp painful

@CollegeBallYouknow

Жыл бұрын

But a mere 12 episodes? I love the show but even I wouldn’t consider a purchase unless a discount was offered. I’d expect at least twice as many episodes for 1 season on blu-ray.

They made a godly satisfying scene of Aki going through his morning routine as an extra and this is what they get.

He did an amazing job. That’s it. I hope they keep him.

@samuraituff9653

Жыл бұрын

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@noobartist6009

7 ай бұрын

Sadly he's gone from that role and we thank these losers calling themselves "fans" for it.

@miochan5214

3 ай бұрын

I don't want mappa to rehired this man again

@miochan5214

3 ай бұрын

His need freedom

Western fans may love the anime, but let's not forget a bluray release of those premium japanese anime actually cost a pretty penny. It's easy to love an anime when you are paying for a 10 buck a month subscription on a digital platform, rather than have to drop 50-60 BUCKS for TWO EPISODES. The target audience for those blurays is HARDCORE FANS. And hardcore fans are obviously very vocal about what they want and when they dislike something. It probably wasn't the best idea ever to change the feel of something that was aimed at them.

@MoreEvilThanYahweh

11 ай бұрын

And it's a bad idea to listen these "western fans" at the expense of the Japanese audience to begin. Not only financially, since the vast majority either pirate or use western middlemen who take up such a large cut of the revenue compared to JP broadcast rights and sales. But also creatively, since what makes anime 'anime' is intrinsically tied to the Japanese crowd or creative process. We get enough crap from Hollywood/Netflix/Amazon/etc. already, imagine wanting to stamp out diversity of thought and entertainment even further by imposing "for a global audience" crap onto the few remaining alternatives.

@ohnomybatterysdead2725

11 ай бұрын

​@@MoreEvilThanYahwehcringe

@eggpam8908

10 ай бұрын

watch your pirated anime@@ohnomybatterysdead2725

I think the reason JP fans are pissed, is because they were expecting a more traditional shonen style smilliar to stuff like JJK. But instead got something more western therefore the west loved it. Personally one reason I loved CSM was because it felt more western than most shonen's and the adaptation captured that but I guess most JP audience aren't a fan of that.

@Glatier

10 ай бұрын

makes me wonder if Steel Ball Run is gonna get the same treatment

@WhatIsMyPorpoise

10 ай бұрын

Perhaps it has to do with the amount of comedy in the manga that kind of isn’t quite as much there in the anime? But you need to pace things really differently to make jokes land in animation. So idk, the show was really cool, but it might have difficulty keeping the tone right for later parts?

I enjoy the different interpretion of csm through the anime. I think its very hard to capture what makes the manga special in an entirely different medium. I just hope mappa continues to give csm the same amount of love and time the 1st season had, whatever the tone/production of the anime will look like going forward

@CheekiTiki

10 ай бұрын

As CSM manga die-hard fan, I loooooved the anime. It's admittedly pretty different in tone, but to me it was like experiencing the story in a new and rewarding way. The animation itself is also absolutely gorgeous especially in simple dialogue scenes.

@quasogod

8 ай бұрын

@@CheekiTiki its a masterpiece, but the CGI sometimes look shit

@CheekiTiki

8 ай бұрын

@@quasogod It honestly makes me a little sad how much people complain about the off-putting CGI when it only makes up like 3% of the show.

I just bumped into your video and let me guess why some Japanese people didn’t like the anime (I’m Japanese) The anime itself wasn’t bad to be honest and Those who got to know chainsaw man through anime actually have good impressions on it in Japan let alone overseas. This might be why the anime is criticized less overseas. So this means they expected too much: because the manga was already overwhelmingly popular, and also Mappa revealed the committee consists of only Mappa and Shueisha (publisher of Jump) without sponsor companies unlike other animes, which meant they can make an anime without restrictions of sponsors. Given that Mappa would make the adoption of that popular manga Chainsaw man with skilled creators without sponsors, it was kind of natural that they expected a lot. The community actually was so hyped before the airing. And the anime itself has some reasons too. The adoption has changed some lines, switched scenes, depicted action scenes in weird ways, lowered the voices of actors, changed camera working and so on, which didn’t make sense sometimes. I think I can find some examples if you ask. These changes were adopted because the director Nakayama tried to make an anime that’s more likely to be calm and cinematic, while people expected messy and wild anime like Kill La Kill or FLCL. I personally appreciate his efforts a lot, but Chainsaw man mas was unfortunately not a proper one to realize his eager. I don’t know if you know, but it’s a common opinion that Nakayama will make a good adoption of Look Back and Goodbye Eri, which I totally agree with. It’s not full of complaints. Almost no one denies the OPs and EPs were gorgeous, voice acting was amazing, and animation was top tier. But just remember haters alway have louder voices. And as you might have already known, Chainsaw man community is so maniac. Someone said “we thought we’d have jirou ramen but were served with elegant French cuisine” and this might explain things well. However! I don’t feel comfortable seeing complaints towards the director on Twitter. It’s a shame we didn’t get a chaotic adoption, but it is what it is. I hope Nakayama will be successful in the future. I know Mappa understands the number of copies sold and they’ll decide the next step to take and that’s it. Even if people don’t like anime, they’re blessed because manga is always great in their hands. Your video is well made! I wrote too much…

@aritrasaha441

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your opinion. It was very informative. With the rise of oshi no ko and the recent attention it bought to cyberbulllying i hope Mr Nakayama is doing well and will keep doing good mentally despite the backlash.

@ahdandimas6577

Жыл бұрын

and i'm reading all of it

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

this is a really insightful comment and i appreciate you taking the time to take it. I hope director Nakayama at the end of the day doesnt get discouraged and keeps pushing on. yes, i agree he would really knock out Look Back and Goodbye Eri esp with cinematic takes on anime

@Under.r

Жыл бұрын

Changed scenes like kobeni with the gun and aki Vs katana were changed I didn't understand I'm the anime especially showing kobeni in episode 11 which spoiled her staying when the surprise was when she got behind sawatari

@abura2980

Жыл бұрын

​@@Under.r valid criticism, but that doesn't make the entirety of the anime a bad adaptation. For me, I didn't like how the anime adapted The Gun Devil's massacre and destruction, but I still liked the anime, I think it's a great adaptation.

I'm chinese, if you go to china social media,they also don't like nagayama director,cause they think nagayama cinematic or realistic style is way too boring. Doesn't fit CSM

japanese are quite vicious actually despite looking wholesome outside. if they don't like something, they really SHOW that they don't like it. personally, i don't have a problem with the director but being completely honest, while from a technical pov, csm was amazing. however, as a huge csm fan, i can tell that the anime just lacks that ''chaotic'' and ''goofy'' feeling of the manga. it doesn't ''feel'' like csm. those who haven't read the manga probably have no clue as to what i m saying but it's genuinely true. now, again, i want to get this out of the way that i don't hate ryu nakayama. i think he did a good job overall but i think he misunderstood certain aspects of the manga and that's fine. everyone makes mistakes. ryu nakayama certainly made a mistake but he doesn't deserve this much hate for that mistake. hopefully, things work out for him in the future.

@mrkingdrago1013

Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you talking about the anime was great

@oogwaythesussyturtle

Жыл бұрын

@@mrkingdrago1013 yes it was great. i never said it wasn't. but the fact remains that it failed to grasp the atmosphere of the manga. ryu nakayama attempted to give it a more cinematic and ''serious'' feel but that's not how the source material is. it's hard to describe but in simple terms, csm manga feels ''goofy'', ''rough'', ''funny'' and ''serious'' at the same time while anime just feels excessively serious. not that it's a bad thing but it does mean that the manga fans didn't get what they wanted.

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

i personally liked it because it gave a new angle of CSM i didnt expect. granted there were some scenes i wish they really keep it closely aligned with the manga (ie. Makima bullet train scene). But i could see how this adaptation would trigger manga purists

@Nobody-jp7lm

Жыл бұрын

I actually like how the anime tried a more different perspective of realism because I think this is a much more suitable for the anime

@mrkingdrago1013

Жыл бұрын

@oogway the sussy turtle. i mean everything you listed it had it had a lot of goofy moments..

I love how people would rather gobble up all the uninspired isekai shit than something original

chainsaw man was always popular even before the anime dropped. fans not liking the anime because it is completely stylistically different than the manga is valid, even if fujimoto said that HE personally was okay with it, doesn’t mean the millions of manga fans gotta be too. also, fujimoto stated that the anime WAS stylistically different from the manga which gives further validity to the manga fans that didn’t like it. Also, according to Nakayama's latest tweet it looks like he really isn’t coming back S2 soooo yea.

The Blu-ray sales arent important considering the fact Mappa still made bank with the streaming services and their websites sells

@Jepze158

Жыл бұрын

They very much are in Japan.

@williambisson8632

11 ай бұрын

@@Jepze158 they arent that important anymore no... even in japan

@Jepze158

11 ай бұрын

@@williambisson8632 A lot more than in here west.

The blu ray bonus sticky power socks, killed me. 😂

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

i would buy the DVD in a heartbeat if they gave us used power socks LOL

Great video, you never miss

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

thank you so much for watching my vid!!

no wonder western audiences loved it, have you seen what the most popular things end up being over here? Dont want consoomers influencing the direction of things in other places

I feel conflicted. One on hand, it misses a lot of what makes the manga great, and it’s disappointing to see the Sam Raimi horror-comedy energy pretty much absent from the anime. On the other hand, it is disappointing to see the anime industry being help back by the idea that the source material is king, and the animators shouldn’t display creativity by making their own stamp on the anime.

@Omni798

Жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t get why people say that the anime misses a lot of the mangas energy though. I think it adapts the manga perfectly, and delivers on that horror-comedy angle even better than the manga did. Plus, the serious, cinematic tone of the show was a breath of fresh air in a medium otherwise overrun with over the top, over saturated garbage.

@crossingtheacheron

11 ай бұрын

@@Omni798 I think if you had said this 10 years ago I would agree, but for a long time now shonen edgys that take themselves seriously are quite abundant, I don't see any novelty in it. What makes chainsaw man special is that satirical tone, the freneticism of its narrative and the way it manages to mix comedy and drama. When I watch the anime I just see another generic edgy shonen with a good level of production, but lacking the things that make the original material special (sorry for my bad English).

@jase276

11 ай бұрын

I wish the anime industry really did believe the source material is king. It's rare that an adaptation actually translates the manga 1 to 1. In fact, all I see are studios taking creative liberty every chance they get.

The best animation I've seen in a while, and they want to destroy it because they dislike the director? He's right about China and Korea

@gn_1380

11 ай бұрын

bruh，I'm chinese, if you go to china social media,they also don't like nagayama director,cause they think nagayama cinematic or realistic style is way too boring. Doesn't fit CSM

@meganoobbg3387

11 ай бұрын

Hypocricy - japanese people also lack compassion for their own people fainting on the streets from overwork, injured people needing assistance, families left homeless from natural disaster, laid off workers whos reputation was tainted by a hatefull employer and hungry abandoned children. Let's not ignore their shameless behavior towards any koreans and chinese, casual racism toward other foreigners and general disgust with disabled people.

Dude, MAPPA made CSM 100% from their own pocket, so they made money and will make for years to come more than any Blue-Ray sales could ever give them. People just love to accept any info that suit their opinions.

It's almost like anime is mainly being marketed to a western audience, idk....

The adaptation was fucking amazing, i hope the second season doesn't go for the generic no-cinematography washed out colors bland ass composition same default camera angles look. CSM felt like it was made by people who gave a fuck, unlike most anime. It had film influence all over it, just like all of Fujimoto's manga. I don't want them to just give up on trying to make art with passion just because the loudest of the bunch don't get it.

This is why we can't have nice things. All our big western franchises already get focus-grouped and micro-managed into soulless, forgettable "product", bereft of a single creative risk or interesting decision, lest we anger some sub-section of "The Fans", who will never be happy no matter what they get. "Give us our slop!!" they cry, and GOD HELP YOU if the taste or consistency varies from the last batch. Yeah, some aspects of Chainsaw Man (The Manga) might be better served by some different, bolder choices - but you know why they can't do that? Because an entirely different gaggle of over-loud idiots (Or the exact same ones. Let's be real.) would reject it for being "Too Weird" or "Too goofy". I, too, imagined some parts differently when I read the manga. But you know what I can do to experience THAT version? Read the damn Manga. All things considered, I'm extremely happy with the adaptation we got. I get some folks might prefer a different look or feel, but pretending its some kind of travesty that needs an immediate re-boot.... is insane. Berserk fans be over here, just silently shaking our heads.

I hope Nakayama gets more opportunities, on Chainsaw man and every one of Fujimoto's works. I'd LOVE to see him get the lead (with someone like Toshimasa Ishsi as his storyboader) for Fire Punch and or Goodbye Eri whenever Mappa decides to make those. Nakayama made Chainsaw Man feel like a Movie, which is what ALL of Fujimoto's works feel like when you read them (Especially the 4-panel style of Goodbye, Eri when you read it on Mobile)

honestly, im the biggest chainsaw man fan there is, and i love it being a bit realistic where it can, largely because other animes are waaay over the top with un-needed bullshit

@MiamiMAJIN

11 ай бұрын

*cringe

@andrewacacia9851

10 ай бұрын

chainsaw man the manga is over the top all the time ffs

@pothandler6935

7 ай бұрын

yeah but it does not cross it's own boundries and keeps everything at a "not cringe" level @@andrewacacia9851

yiman you have gotten so good at making videos now it’s crazy

Ive seen many say that adapation was bad but i dont see how

I think I said this on another video, but I feel there should be no qualms appreciating the anime and manga as their own stylistic prduction, rather than just a medium. I expected the sketchy, bombastic manga style, but my expectations were met and sometimes even surpassed with the cinematics. Especially the Aki vs Katana Man exchange...my god...those are the fight scenes I dream of experiencing. I'd let Nakayama do what Nakayama does, but if they do replace him, they better get a damn good director.

Of course Bocchi the rock sold more because it connected what the fans wanted and gives the positive message. “It doesn’t matter if you are a loser or trash but just know that there are many people like Bocchi that they are trying their best in the world”

we don't "hate this man" as much as we "hate the anime"

I loved the direction of Season 1. Probably the Best ive ever seen.

@notoriousbig3k

11 ай бұрын

Season 2 will look generic cus that how the Otaku fandom wants it to be so they can complain how generic is

@simplyrohith2163

10 ай бұрын

​@@notoriousbig3kyou can bet on CEO Manabu Otsuka that nothing will change in s2😂 . This was more of his passion project. He's a big fan of Fujimoto. He was the one who made the appeal to entirely produce the anime by themselves. The entirety of CSM was funded by Mappa. This was passion project not yout typical anime. There's no way in hell are they denying their passion project. As much as incels hate Ryu Nakayama. The normie community and the sakuga community loves him. He geats heartwarming comments even in this video. Sadly his Twitter was filled with obnoxious losers.

Manga fans wanted to see Quentin Tarantino, but they got Sofia Coppola, just like when you wanted to eat junk food, but French cuisine was served. I wonder if the people defending Ryu Nakayama bought the Blu-ray to support him.

I wasn't a fan of the direction the anime went, but dang no one deserves any kind of hate for it. They had some true passion behind them

Maybe the realism didn't work out that well for csm, but if this guy did Vagabond or 20 century boys, man i would absolutely LOVE if he directed those

@simplyrohith2163

10 ай бұрын

You can count on Mappa to make Vagabond. They already told that they will adapt Vinland Saga to the last panel even if they have to fund it themselves

Honestly, I love how the Anime was made and I saw a video that made me notice why. First of all, I started checking the manga in depth AFTER watching the Anime, so my opinion might not be the most valid, but I think the BEST way to see the Anime adaption as a DIFFERENT interpretation of the Manga. The Manga uses REALLY well of the fact that it is a Manga. I plays with it and the best example the Darkness Devil fight with how Fujimoto made it look like the Devil was using the Manga itself to fight everyone. This is a strong point of it, meanwhile the Anime plays well with cinematography like being a movie. It has MANY beautiful shots and moments created with the right music of effect that I HAVE to applause the director with how it was made. With how Fujimoto is a movie fanatic, it was perhaps a perfect adaptation, but that's the thing. Yeah, it is adapting the Manga, but adapting in a NEW and FRESH way. Instead of being a one on one with how the Manga goes, it tries being something new. To be a NEW experience to even the Manga reader. Sure, this means some stuff will be cut or different, but in the long shot the man did a very good job with it. Hell, made me EXCITED what he could have planned for the Darkness Devil and the GUN Devil scenes. It's very unfair how he was treated in Japan. Hope he is back for a second season of Chainsaw Man... well, for of all I hope the IS a second season to be announced :T

@notoriousbig3k

11 ай бұрын

no anime adapts manga 100% bcz the mangaka can sue them lol

One thing I'll never understand is people that imply CSM is "supposed" to be loud and zany at all times. Sure CSM has it's loud moments but, after rereading it, there are an absolute ton of quiet, introspective moments all throughout the manga. Not only that, but everything from the characters to the backgrounds to the devils are all rendered with an air of believability and realism that grounds the series as a whole. It's like people think the series is as wacky and loud as One Piece for some reason but it just isn't. Most of the wacky moments in CSM are almost purely dialogue based with maybe a silly face thrown in once in a while. Fujoimoto doesn't really play around with the character designs at all even during humerous moments, and the series never felt remotely cartoonish. More than that CSM is pretty serious and bleak in tone throughout most of the story. Quite a few moments in the story I would describe as downright depressing. For these reasons I think the adaptation captures the feel of the manga brilliantly.

Personally, my only complaint is with the fight scenes. Denji in particular just looks like a drunk guy stumbling around trying to throw haymakers than him fighting. It makes sense that he moves like that at the beginning because his abilities are new to him, but it just looks bad when he fights the katana guy (sorry, forgot his name) who also moves in a similar manner. The rest of the characters' "fights" have a large focus on singular attacks, which is great for conveying the emotion behind each action like with Aki when he used his contracted devil, but makes cutscenes without that same intent like Denji's fight against the bat devil feel sluggish and boring.

how am i suppose to watch this video with this banger oshi no ko piano cover in the background 😭

this is one of those " yes, yes you are all wrong type situtions " in front of a huge crowd

(sorry for the huge text) Yiman, you might have heard this later, but the BR sales were higher than that. The Blu-Ray version sold on MAPPA’s own website offered a good deal of bonus goodies, and we all know Japanese BR collectors dig their bonus items. But MAPPA never reports sales from their own site so the sales numbers aren’t fully reliable. MAPPA later clarified the show was successful but also didn’t quite match their expectations, but that’s not necessarily a problem as sometimes people expect too much but still make more than enough (Tomb Raider 2013 “sold under expectations” despite seemingly being a big seller, and lo and behold two more games followed regardless). And obviously there’s the streaming revenue, broadcast revenue, merchandise sales, and good lord the international licensing, they would have made a ton of money before episode 1 even aired simply from Crunchyroll getting the rights which I’m sure was not cheap. As for the anime, I had read the manga beforehand, and for me it was a dark action/drama with a good deal of dark comedy in it. So the anime for me absolutely nailed the tone and such, and the cinematic approach was fantastic (ridiculous that some acted like this “betrayed anime” or something, how is pushing the medium to try new things a betrayal?). I honestly had no idea some saw it as primarily a dark comedy with some dramatic elements until afterwards. Their interpretation is just as valid as mine, the problem is by going too hard on the director they’re not extending the same courtesy to my and his and others’ interpretation. It’s fine to not be personally satisfied with how the anime turned out, but those getting too aggressive towards the director and staff and being 100% dismissive of an interpretation that doesn’t match their own comes off as obnoxious in my book. It’s ironic because (*manga spoilers but I won’t name a certain name*) near the end of Part 1, Denji asks the final antagonist if in their “perfect world”, will “bad movies” be allowed to exist? The antagonist says they honestly believe the world would be better if “bad movies” ceased to exist. Those who are going so far to legitimately hate a man and his team for merely making an adaptation they didn’t care for, they’ve ironically found themselves agreeing with Chainsaw Man’s Part 1 antagonist. If Fujimoto read some of those tweets, he’d probably be staring in disbelief wondering if they had even actually read his manga because way to miss a major Aesop….. Really, I try to ignore the extreme hate found in Japanese fans’ tweets as much as fans from other places’ extreme tweets. I mean, apparently some Japanese fans hated the voice cast purely because they weren’t very well known in the industry which isn’t fair at all. Also, I remember hearing some Japanese anime fans didn’t give Komi Can’t Communicate a chance because “a pretty girl wouldn’t have trouble speaking and socializing”. Needless to say, my eyes rolled hard at that take. Doesn’t matter what country it is, some fans will be reasonable in liking or disliking something, and other fans will go too extreme or just be downright unfair or close minded.

I know you are trying to make a narrative, but Its misleading to talk about blueray sales as a marker of success. Since mappa owns most of the rights to chainsawman anime, they sold the blue ray as a complete season bundle on their website later instead of bocchi which sold per 2 episode. Then when the mappa bundle finally released they sold enough to be successful. It was corrected also that mappa's CEO didn't say the csm was less successful than JJK in terms of sales, but instead in terms of cultural impact.

Im hyped for season 2 🙌

I saw a video about the blu ray sales but the official numbers doesn't count the sales from the mappa web site from what i've heard. And on the mappa web site they had a lot of bonus items so many people likely orders from there so the sales are not as bad as they seem

Nakayama's career began with moe anime lmao, he did a lot of moe animes, then did action direction in series directed by Yoshihara. Storyboarded and directed the high octane episode 19 of Jujutsu Kaisen. Is friends with huge names like Enokido, Sakazume. Directed and did key animation on Eve's MV. Went on to work with names like Shingo Yamashita. Worked in high profile episodes involving legendary animators. Animated in both series & movie of Jujutsu Kaisen. Solo storyboarded, directed & animated one of Black Clover's highly praised endings. As you see his resume is literally top notch. So does his wide range of connections. He's the one responsible for training the new recruits who worked on CSM's endings. Fujimoto himself was more or less involved with the anime production through editor Lin who served as Editing Producer for the anime. So what went wrong? The answer is simple. The interview was the trigger. The Japanese twisted his words to make him seem like he hates moe culture. Same people who're known for sending death threats to directors & burning down studios. There was no going back. Makes you think these incels don't deserve a single good thing.

@andrewacacia9851

10 ай бұрын

i mean i dont really know if he hates moe anime or not but lets not assume that just because he worked on moe anime that he likes them, specially if they are some of his first works, sometimes you need to start where you dont like to reach what you like

I mean his views on chinese morality werent wrong tho with all the rules and lack of humanity they have . i think the only problem he had was that he didnt properly express his creative vision and that poked the japanese incels in the wrong way

@notoriousbig3k

11 ай бұрын

japanese and Koreans are as the chinese in same way souless and lack of real empathy they are the same strict rules and traditions and lack of humanity

The problem is that you'll never have a good discussion about this because anime fans are genuine NPCs with comments like "WELL FUJIMOTO LIKES MOVIES SO CINEMATIC IS PERFECT FOR THE STYLE AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU'RE WRONG" like "cinematic" is one style and movies only have one style lol, specially because CSM ISN'T a cinematic manga, it's a fast paced chaotic story that goes to a crazy pace the slow dull bland direction of the anime didn't capture at all, CSM should look like FLCL, Kizumonogatari or Devilman Crybaby, both fast paced, beautiful, stylized and INSPIRATIONS of Chainsaw Man itself quoted by Fujimoto

LMAO as a korean american, your fluency in korean threw me off guard. and ur translations to english were omfg top tier chefs kiss

Who is "everyone" though?

I really hate the CSM anime, not about the style or VA problems, some ''changes'' or ''how they do it'' just don't make sense. For example, episode 3, when Denji pull the engine, cut bat's arm, then we have 10 seconds for a random woman slow walking in office, in manga, this scene only took 1/3 of page, just 1 picture of building get smash, if they want show off exquisite hand movements, maybe just make that woman do all of that by the window, saw the shadow on her hands, panic and run out. Another is episode 4, after Aki talk to POWER, said he's not gonna be friend with demons or something, anime make him goes to report to Makima, go home, do the laundry, then POWER shows up, in manga, after he talk to POWER, next page, POWER already show up in apartment, the part they make he does the laundry, is not bad, but this part is it's a punchline, the plot arrangement ruin it.

As a CSM fan I thought Season 1 was mid, a lot of panels from the manga were missing

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe

10 ай бұрын

Well cuz "panels" are important to manga. The anime can change it up.

@BakaryD

9 ай бұрын

@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe well there's no rrason skipping scenes. Also panels can be important for anime shots and directing

Asian viewers > Western viewers

As a Korean the hate tweets about Korea don't even phase me LOL they were from 2011 people it's not that serious...

Thanks for the video! What’s the outro song?

ngl, I loved the cinematic approach nakayama brought to CSM and I wish there were more anime that did that, still dude needs to chill tf out about China and SK

Wait but i thought people like it, i mean i love it

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

i liked it too! its just a handful of Japanese netizens + manag readers didnt like the adaptation

This is were the rare times that Overseas fans were okay with it but Japanese Fans mald in an anime which is not bad at all.

I love the manga and I loved the anime. I honestly rewatch scenes weekly because I love the camera angles they use in the anime.

Even Fujimoto said he wanted the anime to be a different and new experience than the manga

@ziadhulhok

Жыл бұрын

Can you give me the link where he said that?

@vincentflannigan2727

Жыл бұрын

Can you give me the link where he said that?

@ziadhulhok

Жыл бұрын

@@vincentflannigan2727 link: trust me bro

the show had a great production for most of its runtime. i don't get the hate this time. just let a director direct and follow their vision

His views on China & how they ignore people in trouble is actually truth... There's a lot of reasons for it, but walking past a person hit by a car is very normal behavior there.

I didnt like the adaptation that much, if i only watched the anime before reading the manga maybe i would like it more but i dont know. My main problem with the anime would start with the use of cg, not because i hate cg or anything like that but i really didnt like the implementation of it on this anime, i could say when it was cg and when it was 2d, the anime didnt handle the transition from 2d to cg well, the cg always felt stiff and slow and i never felt any energy from it, i just hope that they improve on the cg on the second season, because if it stays the same i will be severely disappointed, one part that i really like in chainsaw man is that the fights always feel fast, the anime made them a drag. I also feel like it was too serious, while i wouldnt mind that for later arcs, on the first ones that doesnt seem that appropriate, ffs why tf are you trying to be serious on the arc where the last scene is literally a ball kicking competition. So yeah, be more comedic anime, thats literally one of the best parts of the manga that felt completely ignored by the anime.

Looks great to me

The japanese user M's claims almost feels like (SPOILERS FOR THE END OF CHAINSAW MAN MANGA PART 1 BELOW) Makima thinking that she's fighting Denji and claiming that he doesn't understand how Pochita works despite the fact that she was battling Pochita the whole time

I just binged watch season 1 in Latino dub. I did not know that the manga artist and director had some sort of ties to cinema. No wonder I enjoyed this so much.

I'm glad the west doesn't have influence on Japanese anime. I feel like it would be awful if the west did

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

yeahhh if the West Wokeness completely enters anime i would have huge issues with that *cough cough* high guardian spice

@Soybean13

Жыл бұрын

​@@Yiman it's sad because if its only focused on Japanese audience, the quality will never go anywhere....we will stuck with the same quality over & over. But if it's focusing on western, the wokeness are gonna destroy the animes just like how parasites destroying their host

@davidzhang3762

Жыл бұрын

Yeahh it definitely has its pros and cons. If west had influence on the industry, animes would get way more budget and many other upsides. But on the other hand, having big cultural influence from the west will definitely ruin animes as a whole

this sucks a lot because I really like csm but I also really liked the anime adaptaion. What made the anime imo the best thing ive ever seen is that I love how csm is, its my type of media and pairing that with the visuals the anime had was like a perfect match imo. It really feels like once I find something thats perfect to me it ends up failing or crashing. I'm sure the second season will be good but man am I going to miss the cinematography the first season had. I also see a lot of people saying that someone can easily replace him and do the same thing but its like will it really? Nakayama has his own style and im pretty sure no one can copy what he had in mind down to specific things. I'm not saying the anime is perfect but the way some shots and scenes were was chefs kiss. If I was rich I'd pay him and mappa to privately animate the entire series just for me, I don't care if it means paying over a billion dollars.

Dude did a great job for a season 1 short anime. There is plenty of time and plenty of material to add more content to future seasons. Seasons 2 done by a different director and a different animation style will show this.

I hope the production of season 2 won’t be negatively effected.

Guys listen ok people are dumb I’m pretty sure he won’t get replaced. (Hopefully. Please don’t replace him mappa.)

It really just comes down to how you interpreted the manga. I wouldn't call the CSM manga particularly cinematic, imo, it's probably the least cinematic of all Fujimoto's works. The approach Nakayama used would have fit way better for literally any other Fujimoto manga. Like CSM has its serious moments sure, but it is DEFINITELY NOT all of it (just read the recent chapters, I mean COME ON) and downplaying / toning down the goofy aspects misses why its so unique. Straight up, if my first introduction to CSM was through the anime I would have probably dropped it.

@Revealingstorm.

11 ай бұрын

CSM manga not cinematic? Hahaha

@lookatyourself1999

11 ай бұрын

​@@Revealingstorm. Let me rephrase: I think taking inspiration from movies for a "cinematic" direction is fine, but Nakayama picked the most absolute boring dull movies to do so. Which is why I said it comes down to how you interpreted the manga b/c when I read CSM I didn't see a dark, somber arthouse film, but something more like Pulp Fiction or Scott Pilgrim. Like there's a universe out there where ideally, BOTH styles were incorporated together (like the MANGA) but instead he took the former ONLY, and applied it to every aspect of the show. Seems like the animators working on the EDs understood this b/c ED 3 in particular is more in the style of CSM imo than anything in the actual anime which is sad.

Akane dancing is all i need to motivate myself to keep living

The anime is an absolute banger, especially due to this unique cinematic approch. Plus idc abotu interviews or tweets. Therefore I totally trust the guy for next season.

CSM anime was amazing. It was one of the most fun, most unique visions we’ve seen in a mainstream anime in a long time. The real problem, is Japanese anime fans have such an unhealthy obsession with predictability and CONFORMITY.

@semekiizuio

Жыл бұрын

Thats true, Nakayama doing something different and art form sticking out is like a personal attack on them on being one of them 😂

He was too ambitious for his own good🤷🏽‍♂️

I think I wouldnt mind seeing flashier colors being used from time to time kinda like what you would saw on the cover. The 3D sometimes felt odd but otherwise I liked the anime and it made me buy and read the whole damn manga

Dropped the show around episode 6 since I didn't care much for the characters besides pochi. But, seeing how everyone seemed to enjoy it, maybe it's worth another shot.

I think Nakayama did a great job Defiantly not the worst thing ever and needs a reboot like people are saying

Great video, had no idea that CSM had poor media sales in japan. To take that one further if studios are still relying on media sales to equate sucess then that seems like a very narrow view of how they can grow revenue.

Where can i find that dancing Sawakari animation?

It's similar to how jrpg is a really mean term to devs in japan, but in the west it isn't even known.

I love the way you say "fans" when you say "japanese fans", the inflection sounds as if you don't consider them real fans because they find a problem with the product. This is why CSM is going to just totally fail, you're either part of the cult or you're not.

It was so good too

@darii3523

Жыл бұрын

Literally tho 😭✨

@Yiman

Жыл бұрын

i honestly loved Nakayama's adaptation of CSM! I really hope Mappa doesnt drop him for season 2

@Wyattgonzo1

Жыл бұрын

@Yiman I'm worried also! I keep up with the manga every chapter and I think it was doing better than 99 percent of adaptations. It was so clean and professional

After watching the opening (and its many movie references) and the many endings (each blowing the competition out of the water) and hearing the absolutely perfect casting and voice acting... I find it hard to understand the people that criticize this director for lack of effort. The fights lack dynamism ? Are you for real, Japanese bros ? It is the only recent anime that has fight scenes comparable to that of Jujutsu and Kimetsu no Yaiba. Even if you don't like the direction he went for, you have to respect the ambition and effort put in (by him and the crew). Fujimoto loves movies and you can see it in his layout and inspirations (a full episode is a movie date and focuses on the power of cinema). The director wants to make it "movie-like". Sounds like he is trying his best to stick to the man's vision. Whether his original opinion about China is justified or not, he had a change of mind after visiting the country. Meaning he is not closed-minded and can change his opinion. Meaning he is mature. Nothing here that deserves boycotting, cancel culture or harrassement. Saddening how obsessive losers can ruin someone carreer like that.

I never read the CSM manga before watching the anime so I can't speak for how accurately it translated manga to anime, but I enjoyed it alright. I'm always up for more of a western / cinematic approach to anime, but for me the problem is that being more cinematic usually means taking more time. This is fine when it comes to a movie or live action series, but I always had this thought at the back of my mind of "yeah it's taking it's time with the pacing which is great, but how much are they going to cover at this rate with only 12 episodes?" Combined with the fact that season 2 for anime is never guaranteed and anime production of this quality takes several years to complete, I just had a hard time enjoying when I knew it was probably never going to be a complete story. I also have a theory that japanese (anime fans especially) aren't very used to a western cinematic style of directing, so they end up losing interest within the first few episodes with it's slower pacing (Admittedly, the show failed to hook me too until the hotel episode). Regarding the blu ray sales, the truth is that anime like Bocchi or JJK are far more popular and marketable than CSM. It's really no wonder that they completely outsold it. I'll surely watch a second season with Nakayama's directing if it happens, but honestly I'm a little indifferent whether it ends up happening or not.

Personally, I don't give a shit if he's a bad person. He's a great director. Nuff said

@notoriousbig3k

11 ай бұрын

hes a Boss he ait suppose to cuddle his employees