Everyone forgot Romain Grosjean was a BEAST at Lotus !
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Between 2012 and 2013 Romain Grosjean was among the best drivers in F1, picking up 10 podiums with Lotus.
The overtake on Massa during the 2013 Hungarian GP was deemed illegal and Grosjean received a drive-through penalty for leaving the track during the overtake. What do you think about this decision?
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Grosjean is definitely one of the most criminally underrated drivers in the history of F1. How people label him as one of the worst drivers ever is beyond me...
@TheFlatPancakeTheory
2 жыл бұрын
Because they just saw from 2017 onwards. Even his excellent results with points in Haas in their first season in 2016 was great. He’s always had raw speed
@Fotznerwin27
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy seeing him in Indycar now! He's on fire there, the last race around Long Beach was great!
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFlatPancakeTheory Dude, Gutierrez out-raced him (despite not scoring any point) and the h2h in qualifying was only 12-9 in favor of Grosjean! And we're talking about the same Gutierrez who got destroyed by Hulkenberg and beaten by a overweighted Sutil!
@JK7kaye
2 жыл бұрын
It's because of that lack of consistency unfortunately. He could reach such highs and such lows. 2018 showed how much the mental side got to him. But definitely far from the worst driver.
@TheFlatPancakeTheory
2 жыл бұрын
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 so let me get this right? Gutierrez who scored no points. Lost the qualy battle. And was dropped by Haas in favor for Kmag, outraced grosjean? That’s makes zero sense. Grosjean was by far better.
This man, before Gasly, was France's best hope.
@adriengrange8216
2 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of Jules Bianchi ?
@adriangurges8244
2 жыл бұрын
@@adriengrange8216 well he died before he had the chance to really show his potential
@adriangurges8244
2 жыл бұрын
Ah when you want to answer a comment but you already put a answer under it and think: that’s what I think too, what is this dude called ah it’s me
@adriengrange8216
2 жыл бұрын
@@adriangurges8244 finished 9th in a Marussia at Monaco
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
@@adriengrange8216 Tbh, Chilton sometimes matched him in qualifying and even out-raced him fair and square 3-4 times. And Chilton isn't Verstappen or even a Hulkenberg.
Man, 2012-13 Lotus with Kimi and Romain were such an exciting team, so many races where they were very close to snatch victory in the final part of the race. In my opinion they deserved a lot more victories than the two Kimi won.
@yazanturkman5002
2 жыл бұрын
The team was in a title contender shape but the luck was always there to make things worse or good
@jimmystoney8029
2 жыл бұрын
It's a tough ask to win races against Mclaren, Alonso and Vettel especially when that era was dominated by Vettel. No denying they deserved more and it could have been so much better if only they didn't put a $50000 per points in Kimi's contract nearly bankrupting the whole team because of his success.
Kimi and Romain at Lotus was one of my favourite driver pairings
@hybridAbsol
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad they drove the team out of money due to their high demands :v
@lan8801
2 жыл бұрын
@@hybridAbsol only Kimi did that
@ihavewaited90daystochangem51
2 жыл бұрын
@@hybridAbsol It was lotus' own offer to pay him a 50k bonus for a points finish
@petel7418
Жыл бұрын
@Lan They offered Kimi $50k for every point he brought in 12-13 seasons. What's the point in that..? The guy is a world champion. So at the end of 2013, after two wins and countles podiums and point finishesh they owed him $19.5mil in bonuses only.. 👍 .. Kimi actually skipped last two races because of these monetary issues. The official explanation was a back surgery but who knows.. .. So don't blame him for bringing success to the team.
@eizzah8323
Ай бұрын
@@petel7418 the guy who owned Lotus Renault F1 was a shit owner and owned Lille OSC Football team, Royal Excelsior Mouscron Football team, both handled like shit and now owns Girondins de Bordeaux Football team, which he also handles like shit
It's a shame he never got one win
@wtffreak99
2 жыл бұрын
bruh i always thought he did 💀💀
@Warrioruk
2 жыл бұрын
He should have won at the Nürburgring in 2013, but the Safety Car unfortunately ruined it :/
@blaine319
2 жыл бұрын
@@Warrioruk valencia 2012 too but his engine died :(
@Warrioruk
2 жыл бұрын
@@blaine319 Yeah :/
@davidvasquez08
2 жыл бұрын
Suzuka 2013 could have been his first win, but this is during the time of RB
You forgot to add his drive in India 2013, where he started from the back of the grid and finished 3rd.
@thatonenigeriansformula
3 ай бұрын
Bro was the verstappen of the vettel era
@alexander_strachan
2 ай бұрын
@@thatonenigeriansformula Surely Vettel was the Verstappen of the Vettel era... Grosjean was more of a Norris, in today's terms.
@thatonenigeriansformula
2 ай бұрын
@@alexander_strachan I’m talking about verstappen during the Mercedes dominance
2012 season was such an amazing season. So many cars could fight for the win. 8 winners, (9 if you count Bernd Mayländer in Brazil).
@tondynugroho1799
Жыл бұрын
it could be 11 winners that season.. if Grosjean not dnf in Valencia, Perez not runs wide in Malaysia & Hulkenberg not crash in Brazil.. but 2012 was the great season in 21st century
@Macarow
Жыл бұрын
@@tondynugroho1799 and Schumacher if he had kept his pole and didn't dnf
My eyes teared up with that Hamilton overtake half over the kerb, one driver that must not be forgotten.
I like this video of highlights of a drivers career, u shld do these more for ppl like Kovalainen, Kubica, Heidfeld, Trulli, Magnussen etc
@KingFishF1
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@heychaz
2 жыл бұрын
Kubica would be mega
@chiefdenis
2 жыл бұрын
Im subbing if he does this
@aaronmueller5542
2 жыл бұрын
Expecially Kubica. Not a lot of f1 fans ever saw, how good he was
@martinpapin4944
11 ай бұрын
@@aaronmueller5542 Kubica is à little bit overated, he was beaten 3-1 by Heidfeld
a lot of newer fans seriously don't know how good grosjean was in the lotus. amazing video to show them!
RG's moves against Hamilton and Massa were epic. Those overtakes with half of the car on the grass? Daaamn.
Imagine if Button won in Canada 2012 instead of Hamilton, BUT GRO PER podium.
@rotary_7812
2 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there.
@r3kiwi20
2 жыл бұрын
I think HAM GRO PER sounds even better tbh
@ryanhsiao8801
2 жыл бұрын
Mazespin
@shaneh1872
2 жыл бұрын
Good one
@madmanf1179
Жыл бұрын
I remember Button finished 16th in that race
People forget his junior career as well. Grosjean is an incredibly talented driver.
@rakkinen
Жыл бұрын
correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he win the GP2 championship twice?
@jackkeithley4934
Жыл бұрын
@@rakkinen He won the short-lived GP2 Asia series in 2008/9 after coming 4th in the 2008 GP2 championship. He came back to GP2 in 2011 and won the championship in dominating fashion. I think with around 4 races to go whilst his teammate "Pal Verhaug" never scored a single point all season. Shows just how good Romain was.
What was your favorite Grosjean moment at Lotus ? For me it was his start at Suzuka in 2013 and his overtake on Lewis at Valencia.
@letsar6169
2 жыл бұрын
Well for me it was his start in Spa 2012.
@karussoul
2 жыл бұрын
You missed India 2013 where he had an insane recovery drive from P17 to P3 (also the infamous "Kimi, get out of the f*cking way")
@KingFishF1
2 жыл бұрын
@@karussoul Yes true but the race footage wasn't showing him enough, too hard to edit....
@ameEeeee3
2 жыл бұрын
2013 was romains best season. 6 podiums in a season. Challenging kimi
@LesVoituresOntLaParole
10 ай бұрын
Spa 2015, started 9th and finished 3rd with a midfield car 🐐
When I see this, I literraly remember why he is good in indycar and why he was bad at Haas. Those cars can be on the limit and beyond without having an extreme reaction from the car. Here, he can slide with it, play with it. With Haas : one inch too much, instant spin. That's sad to have so much difference between cars.
@Doubledunk
2 жыл бұрын
Makes me appreciate the top indy drivers even more and especially scott mclaughlin a relative rookie
@gavcom4060
Жыл бұрын
well it’s that, and the fact that the turbo-hybrid engines had a shitload more torque, so it was easier to spin out
@verbfrombonsai8852
Жыл бұрын
Tbf, it does take skill to push an unstable car. While some have managed to do it, you can't expect that from even most of the grid. It is the constructor's job to give the car a room for the driver to push. Be it downforce for turning or resilient engines for overtaking charges.
@daniro4979
Жыл бұрын
Tbh hé wasn't that Bad at Haas he make some impressive result and still the best result of the team ever have
@richardneal102
Жыл бұрын
Yeah he did have some good results, mainly at Lotus,and pulled off some good moves,unfortunately he made a lot of mistakes ad well. Some quite serious, and that sticks, stays with you.
Everyone will remember, once Romain gets his hands on that Indycar Drivers Championship
@donovanbeuke
2 жыл бұрын
Team Penske is making it a little bit difficult for him
@MDE_never_dies
4 ай бұрын
This aged
2012 was such a bloody brilliant year for F1. So many drivers challenging for wins at various points of the season. Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Button, Webber, Raikkonen, Rosberg, Massa, Grosjean, Maldonado, Perez, Hulkenburg even Michael Schumacher!! So so great
Back when there were 4-5 teams fighting for podiums...crazy
Man, 2012 was such competitive season. We had RB and McLaren who were the fastest but has reliability issue. Lotus with Kimi and maverick Romain. Williams who had an underrated pace. And Ferrari... who had Fernando Alonso.
Kimi brought the victories, and most of the podiums and points to the team. He was the one who developed the car. After Kimi left the team and went back to Ferrari for 2014 season, Grosjeans best finishesh was 8th in Spain and Monaco. In two races he made it to the top 10(in 2014). 2015 he took his one and last 3rd place finish for Lotus. .. This is like making a video how awesome Bottas was, taking victories and top10 all time in points, while it was Hamilton who brought the titles.
commentary on Grosjean on the strat at Suzuka in french gives me a goose bumps
Two things made me a Grosjean supporter: - a race in Valencia in wich he was catching up to Vettel, but car broke for alternator(?) issues; - a defense against Hamilton at the end of a DRS straight, he pulled to the inside on the last moment forcing Ham to take the outside and decelerate to not do the corner on the gravel. Got mad that day at Spa because it was incredibly stupid from his part and ended up not breaking Vettel's cycle, but never doubted of what he was capable of.
Imagine Kubica in that 2012 Lotus
@GraciasAlo14
Жыл бұрын
He could win a championship title
@petel7418
Жыл бұрын
That what everyone was saying, him and him would have won the title in 2012 or 2013 Lotus.. Alan Permane (laughed and)told Alonso had said to him he would have won the title in 2013 Lotus eventhough they ran out of money(with Kimis bonuses etc).. .. So you pick Kubica when there were six current world champions on the grid that season(plus Nico Rosberg, a future champion, and the likes of Daniel Ricciardo, Mark Webber, Sergio Perez etc).. Not saying Kubica was bad, he was super talent(kind of wasted talent), but there so much talent on the grid that season(like seven different race winners)..
@juanmarin9825
Жыл бұрын
World champion
Post-summer break 2013 Grosjean deserve more recognition honestly
People didn't forget, people who pretend to know F1 after watching Drive to Survive on Netflix are the ones who have no clue about Formula 1, its history and its drivers.
Thanks for the wonderful video!
2:47 I love that Romain GROSJEAN
he had some decent performances in a great car
@vecnsx
2 жыл бұрын
"decent" , "great car"
Hardly a beast. Got demolished by Kimi who was arguably past his prime at that stage. He had crashes back then too that ruined other driver’s races and was dangerous at some points. Alonso probably would’ve won the championship in 2012 and 2013 in the Lotus so I’m not getting too hyped on these ‘highlights’
@lukaamanovic7641
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. He had few bright moments, but he's mediocre at best.
Not only was this a great compilation of Romain Grosjean, I loved Martin and Crofty's giddiness throughout. They were excited whenever the Lotus and Grosjean were doing well.
He will get that Win 1 Day his Indy Car days are Just Starting 2022 was a Decent Season for a start 2023 hopefully he builds on it Go on Romain
The reason why he wasn’t rated at the time was because, despite being quick, he was quite crash happy and caused some serious incidents
The DTS’s fans have no clue* Grosjean was a beast at Lotus
It was fun to see Grosjean fight for the race win in the Long Beach Grand Prix a couple of week's ago. Asked if he could have pushed even harder after finishing 2nd, he said yes, but since he is also fighting for the IndyCar championship, he had to be a little careful.
V8 f1 machinery really played to Grosjean's strength.
Killing it now in Indycar!
Nobody forgot, just his crash caused attitude to change towards him.
In 2012-13 and 2015 he’s been the best starter of reaction
If after 2013 he had a competitive car I think we would had a very different Romain
I loved that Lotus it was beautiful and Grosjean was very underrated.
Sadly he was in an era from 2014 onwards that is the worst era for competitive F1. He never stood a chance of a top drive because there was only one team capable.
@motorsportfanboy7769
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah his prime years were wasted on a Lotus that failed the new regs and financial issues
@jimmystoney8029
2 жыл бұрын
Lotus had potential in 2014 but their financial issue is Lotus own fault for putting a $50000 per point on Kimi's contract nearly bankrupting the whole team because of his success.
good old times its just come on agreed with me that times are better then now i mean the sound wass so good
He did a lot of mistakes, people laughed at him. But that was because he was one of the only drivers to give more than his 100% Mistakes and aggressiveness is apparent only when you want to provide more than what your car is capable of. I really wished he had a better F1 carrer to his name but that’s part of the sport, being lucky never served to him. I Hope he gets Indy World champion this year 💪🏽
@MikeKobela
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better! He isn't perfect, makes mistakes and isn't the most consistent. But when he is good, he is REALLY GOOD, so much so that it makes me completely forget and ignore all the bad, and he's showing that even now in IndyCar, too! Really manifesting a win for him this season!
he deserves so much a sit in F1 !
That move around the outside of Massa at turn 4 in Hungary is also one of the most underrated moves.
*Grosjean's form since the summer break:* 🇧🇪 P8 🇮🇹 P8 🇸🇬 DNF (hydraulics) 🇰🇷 P3 🇯🇵 P3 🇮🇳 P3 🇦🇪 P4 🇺🇸 P2 🇧🇷 DNF (engine) Total: 83 points in 7/9 finishes, he had 2 mechanical DNFs including Singapore where he qualified P3 and had a shot for the podium. As a comparison.. Vettel - 225 points (9/9) - 25 points/race Webber - 94 points (6/9) - 15.7 points/race Alonso - 109 points (9/9) - 12.1 points/race Grosjean - 83 points (7/9) - 11.9 points/race Raikkonen - 49 points (5/9) - 9.8 points/race Rosberg - 87 points (9/9) - 9.7 points/race Hamilton - 65 points (8/9) - 8.1 points/race Grosjean lost only to Seb and Nando in their primes, and Webber who had a much superior car in terms of points per race. Sadly we didn't see more of his purple patch due to inconsistency and uncompetitive cars.
@KingFishF1
2 жыл бұрын
Love it man.
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
You're forgetting that Raikkonen missed last 3 races, had back injury and was in conflict with Lotus for money reason, not to mention the tires change mid-season favored him! Raikkonen was demolishing him before that!
@karussoul
2 жыл бұрын
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 I did mention that Kimi only finished 5 out of the last 9 races, including the two he missed. I used points/race as a measurement instead of just points. The point is not to make Grosjean look like a world beater, but he was certainly not as terrible as newer fans think.
@elvincitore1512
2 жыл бұрын
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 I'm sure some team orders contributed to that
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
@@elvincitore1512 This is an urban legend, Grosjean had to obey team order only once at Germany 2013 and it was because he was holding up Kimi who had the pace to challenge Vettel for the win! Raikkonen is in another league compared to him!
I mean, I kinda always knew he was kinda fast, but with the fact that i am pretty new to the sport i never thought anything of it. But now i have the confirmation of that.
He was also a beast in Spa 2012 too!
@karomonarch
2 жыл бұрын
Beast almost ripped Nando's head off
He better get a win with andretti autosport this year, criminally underrated
This guy deserved one Win at the very least
Dude, Romain and Kev were beasts at Haas. They Had the whole shitshow in their backpacks
He was by no means a slow driver, he just has a shit team with a shit car and inconsistent and sometimes dangerous tbh, hey this guy isn't perfect. He has his flaws but is still a fast driver
Deserved to win a race at least
how beautiful the channel's profile is man❤
The first lap nutcase of 2012 but after that he was criminally under rated
i miss him so much in f1
On his best days he was capable of winning races, it's just a shame he never had that little pinch of luck needed. Hope he has a good run to win the IndyCar title this year.
When he wasn't crashing behind a safety car, RG was an absolute beast at times
@karun_28
2 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about Azerbaiyan 2018? Hahahaha
Rosberg speaking french at the end, what a guy
I totally forgot how good driver he is, i only remember him driving for Haas fighting for points and that crash in bahrain. I was actually surprised that he got 10 podium(that's quite alot of podium)
How he didnt get a better drive after lotus is beyond me
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
Demolished by Raikkonen, too many unacceptable mistakes for an F1 driver, Gutierrez (despite not scoring any point) matched his pace (you can verify it if you want), overall less efficient than Magnussen. He is quick when everything is perfect (but still not on par with guys like Leclerc), but that's not enough to be considered a top tier driver!
@quentinhirschfeld9382
Жыл бұрын
@F1gilles I meant even though he's quick, he's not that quick. (Grosjean)
He was the Andrea De Cesaris from the 2010s
Grosjean was so good, he deserves more recognition
How can one access quali sessions from the early 2010s?
That Lotus was a beast... you can see it in the hands of Kimi as well... that car was amazing.
Every single one is a beast in competetive car...
He was a beast for, like, 5 races in 2013, after Kimi's relationship with the team deteriotated. Before and after that he was exactly how he was with Haas. Fast but a complete airhead.
Oh I remember!!! 2013 especially
I never forgot
2:12 I remember being so annoyed when Grosjean received a drive through penalty for overtaking off track
@GM_FtblA
Жыл бұрын
Honestly the most ridiculous thing i ever saw from stewards. Back then they were ruthless and totally unreasonable
@keonxd8918
Жыл бұрын
In modern day F1 it would've been fine
You could say he was- he was on-
Finally someone made this video
miss this era
Finally someone made a video about that. I hope all the kids who made him look like a joke are gonna see that!
that lotus was something else, kimi just about bankrupted the team with that car and his contact clause, grosjean tho during his lotus stint was underrated as hell
Il a clairement pas eu la carrière qu'il méritait. Ses erreurs lui ont coûté cher dans le même temps
well to be honest that lotus was balanced af. i remember him crashing to webber at japan but he never won with lotus... Kimi did
Super video
Man that 2015 when team was on brink of collapse for him to get a podium man
2013 MAYBE .. but as soon as you look at 2012 and beyond ... nope. "Beast". lol. And Maldonado was a "Killer" at Williams.
Like it or hate it but Grojean will always be remembered for Spa 2012...
Because he was not. Only signifiant result on a well designed car, but still way outclassed by his teammate.
He was one of the best driver when it's about overtake other cars (and one of the only drivers who can challenge Red Bulls at their best era) Sad he didn't had at least one victory
Merci !
Man I Miss Lotus so much
Lnd Legends never die
Do one with Ricciardo at Renault he was underrated asf
He was good, but the beast was Raikkonen!
Even thou Romain was prone to crashes, he was still decently fast and competitive driver when F1 was at its most competitive we've seen in recent times between 2012-2013, especially when you consider the array of drivers he was competing against between those two seasons. Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen, Webber, Massa, Button, Lewis, Rosberg, and Schumacher. Shame he was unable to win one race, but he was close in some races. If only Lotus didn't put a $50000 per point in Kimi's contract nearly bankrupting the whole team because of Kimi's success, the team could have had such potential in V6.
Gotta love hearing that French commentator when Grosjean took the lead at Suzuka. Does anyone have an English translation?
@quentinhirschfeld9382
Жыл бұрын
Romain Grosjean has taken the best start, he leads the race the frenchman, exceptional flying start.
Yes grosjean was a beast managing to score half the points kimi had, on one of the fastest/best cars of the entire grid finishing p8 in the championship. Absolutely crazy performance. Almost as good as massa's performance having 40% of alonsos points in 2012
@quentinhirschfeld9382
Ай бұрын
That's what i'm saying, Kimi destroyed Grosjean all the way through. From mid 2012 (Kimi was a bit rusty at the beginning of that season and didn't liked the power steering) to mid 2013, Kimi wiped the floor with Romain both in qualifying and race craft.
This man is so underrated, he had deserved a win in formula 1
I didn't...and his last race at Indycar he just proved it again
Most drivers in F1 are incredibly good and the car is what determines your results.
And people doubt grosjean because dts, Actually he is beast in his prime
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
A beast who got demolished by Raikkonen.
@Nutsell-ru5sh
2 жыл бұрын
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 really you think? He beat a lot kimi before in wheel to wheel
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nutsell-ru5sh Nope, he only beat him once and it was due to Kimi's awful strategy (India 2013)! Podiums: Raikkonen 16-9 Grosjean Race wins: Raikkonen 2-0 Grosjean (it could've been more for Iceman if Lotus had better strategist) Points scored: Raikkonen 390-228 Grosjean (imagine how big the margin would've been if Kimi didn't missed last 3 got paid by Lotus second half of the season and didn't had back injury for couple of races)
I didn’t know he even had a podium in his career. Seems like the French Daniel Ricciardo with the overtakes 😂
Grosjean was amazing in melbourne.
Now he is Indy Car!
IMHO Romain is one of the most underrated in F1 history.
@quentinhirschfeld9382
2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't materially better than Magnussen, got his paced matched by Gutierrez (i'm talking about race and qualifying pace, not points scored) and was +150 points behind Kimi over their 2 years run in Lotus (and that's without even mentioning Raikkonen gad back injury second half of 2013, missed last 3 races, was in conflict with Lotus because he didn't get paid and the tires change after the disaster of Silverstone)
grosjean starts how we all start in f1 games, drive past all the traffic and sneak into p4
@karomonarch
2 жыл бұрын
Over-revs and gets a bad start Uses all ERS Divebombs on the outside Locks-up Abosutely no regard for the tires Nearly goes wide and spins P11 - P4 Holds back entire grid from leaders Crashes trying to re-overtake car behind