Listening on Sennheisers 600 here. Actually I think you were very forgiving! I listened to the plugins first and then after the shootout was completed I went and listened to the Neve Designs. Being an advocate for ITB mixing, especially considering how much has coding evolved, I admit the difference was incredible. The Neves actually sparked a physical reaction from me, not just from the bump itself but from the way the whole thing worked on the material. Didn´t think the difference would be so big to be honest. Excellent video.

@RiaRua

2 жыл бұрын

Try running a mix through the Studer on Mix:Analog and be prepared to lose your mind...

@buddhabinaural

2 жыл бұрын

@@RiaRua I just watched a video with a guy doing a shootout and I think that was the tape machine. The VSTs were better. The guy blind tested and I agreed with his choices and the real tape sounded bad. It actually over deadened the sound.

@RiaRua

2 жыл бұрын

@@buddhabinaural as someone thst uses it regularly, I can say it's never overdeadened any thing I've run through it. It's free to try. Try it yourself.

@robertw1871

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah for sure, the real hardware has far more dynamic range and smoothness… the difference is extremely obvious on the Focal trio11 Be studio monitors… pretty difficult for a plugin to duplicate true analog saturation… Still not as good as real tape but way less pain and financial suffering… was enough to get me to invest in a pair of them anyway…

Loved this! Really helpful not only for the comparison of equipment, but your comments help guide and train up our ears too. Thanks, David. You're the limit!

I love the depth of front to back sound you get from the Neve 542's. None of the plugins seem to do that, although some bring out the mids more than others.

Great video, I love how you appreciate both digital and analog worlds and acknowledge the strengths of software without trashing it's weaknesses. Would like to see how Satin, Magnetite and Airwindows compare. You can get some serious bass-bump outta Airwindows ToTape!

Watched both videos, Neve 542 are killing! Heat, Phoenix and & Hornet, are great!

I love these kinds of videos, especially when someone has access to stuff and the ability to try them all. It's a huge time (and money) saver. Thumbs up!

The mcdsp analog channel is my favorite. It really adds something to the mix that is subtle, but makes it sound bigger and wider without compromising the quality. Ozone 7 and waves tape emulation are also good ones

Thank maaan!) You just saved my vocal mix of Robie Williams - Angels with that Kramer plugin! I think it's not a big shame to upload it now)) Huge improvement in softening the sound, geting reed of that micro-sharp edges was all over! This one really works. Like a real tape-machine in my house)) BTW I was using Ozone previously and it's add a crazy amount of latency- somewhere around 50 ms (as all Ozon plugins does) and it's more like for open a sound at low bias and low input gain mostly i/m using. But it's really heavy! I'm just doing it for fun, of course. And it's cool, that we able to do this so easy now.

I don't know anything about tape emulator software plugins, but I love the 542's. They are magical

Nice! I've been using Softube Tape type B on my mix bus on every mix for more than a year now... 🙂 It's in my template from the day I got it, I noticed how it adds power, cohesion and life to a sound while taming nicely the overly harsh, "digital" frequencies, really unique plugin!

@danielkisel5661

4 жыл бұрын

@@oinkooink nope not really on master bus I'm trying to do it's job without too many side effects. Amount is usually on 5, but gain staging into the plugin is the key... I like bass bump of type C as well, but I've found that type B adds mainly even harmonics when used subtely, like around 1% of THD or less.

@danielkisel5661

4 жыл бұрын

@@oinkooink it has smooth top end, but it also have deep low end boost, with type B it's more apparent, you can check out it's behaviour with plugin doctor.

@danielkisel5661

4 жыл бұрын

@@oinkooink Also I like to use 15 ips most of the time. Different settings yield different results.

@neoaureus

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielkisel5661 …hmmm

542 sounds great. I would love to see comparison between the 542 and real tape. This would be awesome ❤️

2 жыл бұрын

Nice idea!

First time watching it and the best part so far (I'm at 20 mins) is the Kramer Tape "happy wide smile" surprise on me and then on David's face... Laughing time. So cool video!!!! Thanks a lot.

Man Iv watched so many comparisons over the last year and I. Gotta say the neve really makes a huge tasteful difference . Often I feel like I’m almost convincing myself a plugin sound different than another or a piece of hardware is way better than what it is , but this time around, the neve is adding a beautiful fat warmth . Hands down the best by a looooooong shot

nice to see the Overloud Tapedesk getting some love. it works great on guitars, especially amp sims. it takes care of the fizzy top end in a very nice way and gives the mid range more girth, so the guitars actually sound more real.

@poulwinther

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Did you ever try any of the others to see if it's a general feat of tape plugs?

@Noisa

2 жыл бұрын

Right? I’m finding overlouds is most pleasant to my ears, and I’ve used the uads, Kramer, slate and softube.

Just got the 542s and man...Game changer...

No surprise Neve is the best in business. Love the Neve sound. It just adds another dimension to the incoming source and covers it with silky invisible, but quite hearable blanket.

thanks, man! Excelent video! Tape saturation is subtle, and we have to understand what each control is actually doing. You helped a lot to see the differences as the exemple of saturating with the pre input gain versus the saturator (both the Neve 542 and the plugins sounded to me like more low end from the input gain versus saturation knobs, although the input has a narrow limit which starts to fall apart ). The differences between using it on individual tracks versus to mix into it. Thanks a lot!

Gotta love it thanks again brother David!

Thank You. I truly enjoy your videos. I always learn something. Great stuff.

Glad to see you have Reelight in there - I look forward to what you have to say about that

2:10 I thought the one on the right was Elysia karacter 500! I love their products! Great video!

Really nice video this one! If there'll be an eventual follow-up video, I would like to see ToneBoosters ReelBus 4, SKnotes Roundtone and Crane Songs Phoenix included :)

@CornSw

5 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv haha, right! No lack of tape emulation plugins these days :'D

You're not wrong on the Waves Krammer delay. That delay section is my go to delay. It just works so well.

Jeez, the waves was a revelation!

That Neve sounds spectacular,

Neve is short for Never Sucks. Great Review. Love this channel.

Dave, grateful you did this...Thank you!

Great demo....I can’t believe I liked the beatskillz more than the waves....beatskillz and overloud were my favorites on this demo

Thank you for the review! Helped a lot

Great stuff David. As always. I wish to know in which applications do you use the Waves Kramer tape? Snare drum, drum crush bus, vocals etc.?

Although the SSL Fusion is not a tape emulator I started wondering if the SSL Fusion or a pair of Neve 542s would be the way to go as the price would be about the same. Then I saw you did a shootout with the Fusion and the Neve 542. Nice one!

It’s all about that low bump baby! 😎

The kitty going with it at 23:15 ! Dawwww!

i have the kramer is real nice to play with the lopass and feedback to make some different spacial effect , kind of like a stereo imager or something , good for the low end , cool vid

Nice review pretty thorough. It would have been interesting if you tested UAD2 platform tape emulations.

@koncreteto2758

5 жыл бұрын

yea i was just thinking this xD

Makes tracks a lot more punchy 🤛. I do feel like I would want to use these at the beginning of my mixing change after preamp

Older video, but IK Multimedia’s tapes are a cut above for mixing purposes IMO. But they are *very* CPU intensive. I have a decent system and I’d never dream of tracking with it running. But it’s the only tape plugin I’ve gotten really good results on the entire mixbus. Not for everything but when it works it can be fantastic

I like OZONE the most in this video, but i would have been curious about the UAD versions as well.

I know Waves Reels ADT is something different but it's a great tool and it's worth making a separate review.. Keep up the good work

That'd be like comparing every console emulation against one hardware channel. Different tape units are modeling different circuitry and different tape types, each of which is going to have a different tonal color and a different transient response. I'm glad you said that you're not going to be doing an A/B, because that would be impossible with so many variables.

Is there a video on how you set up your gear in order to mix into your 2bus hw processors? Thanks David! Great video!

Analog channel kicks ass...overloud as well, im Surprised, but no fabfilter saturn? Lol

@michaelanderwald4179

5 жыл бұрын

I agree that the Saturn plug-in goes way beyond your average tape emulation plugin, but isn't tape emulation mostly about saturation as well?

thank you for all your videos!

The best tape plugins I’ve heard are the UAD Ampex (for bus) and Studer (for individual channels). All the plugins heard here lack the dimension of the Neve modules. The UAD Ampex is wonderful and you can get a similar low end depth by getting the crossover control in the right spot.

I have a pair of 542 neves with the Dione since your 1 st video on your buss chain love the combination still my go to always just in the box I use my uad oxide tape or the uad ampex ATR great video as always and your correct I’m curious bout the 500 Elysia piece in your rack what is it I have not found your review on it?

@julioclaudio8714

5 жыл бұрын

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I like the sound of the Softube the most out of the plugins, it sounds the most musical, but u just sold me on the 542’s..

i wished you could of tried the UAD ATR102, I think it sounds fantastic, thx for the video bro. BTW those neves sound incredible, none of these software emulations touch it, that neve sound is at another level, I am going to try and get those pretty soon. cheers bro!!

@fernandoherrerabastidas

3 жыл бұрын

UAD ATR102 also has a Parallel Configuration preset that’s interesting and might do something similar to this Neve setting. Have you tried that?

@saloliveriproducer

3 жыл бұрын

I have both. No comparison. 542 blows it away.

It would be great compare the antelope tape emulation too, but I know you don't have antelope interface, still awesome video, I've comparing by myself a few of these plugins against the antelope and antelope wins, even vs uad, still there are lot of good options and of course they are not better than real tapes, just different, thanks man

great review, thanks!

Wow, what a great video thank you very much.

Dave, I love the way how you present and explain anything from the plugin to hardware, any video from Mixbus channel i'ts basically A+ . But in this video hm... 542 it's a just organic, tasty natural sound. The other GMO product Overloud and Beatskillz are OK.

Great Vid! Are you using the 15 or 30 ips setting on the 542s? Thanks

Cool video! But you forgot the best tape emu in pro tools: Phoenix!

It seems to me that the Neve 542 is a unique processor. As opposed to emulating a particular machine like the plugins, Mr. Neve took the components found in a tape unit and put them into a circuit with other components to create a piece of gear with quite specific abilities and flavours. The man was a genius. What do you think of Phil's Cascade by Elysia?

@mixbustv

3 жыл бұрын

yeah the 542's are definitely something special, for the other one, gimmick

Well set Ozone Vintage Tape is very good on master bus. I' ve also Overloud TAPEDESK but for me is great only on channels ;)

21:36 Magic cat appears!

nothing beats the 542 in this video.

Mixbus Tv -Thanks for the 542 vids! I have a pair of 542's on loan. May I ask where in the chain are you you running your 542's -before or after 2 bus compressor, and why do you prefer them there? Thank you for your time -great channel!

@mixbustv

3 жыл бұрын

My 2bus chain is well documented in the latest vids on the Fusion. The 542' are first in the analog chain

i have 1 542. what would it be like to use on all tracks cumulative effect vs mix bus with 2 units?

Can you make same video for CDSoundmaster VTMM2 (has that low bump), U-he Satin, Voxengo TapeBus and Airwindows ToTape5 ?

Is there any chance you can test the Black Rooster Magnetite and the T-racks tape machines? I love your videos. Is amazing how accurate are your explanations

@SaturnVoyager11

3 жыл бұрын

Ohhh Already saw you have a 2nd part of this video which is awesome and confirms my suspicious about Magnetite. I really haven't find a real use to that plugin and maybe I won't

AIR WINDOWS!!!

Hi David, you should try the toneboosters reelbus 4, it has too many settings to dive in for my taste, but it sounds really good!.. Nice cat! 🐱

@cryptonios

5 жыл бұрын

i vouche for that

@Filippo-KuramaSound

5 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv yes, if I remember well there are the 32 and 64bit installer. Waiting for the second part now, thank you! And.. Pardon me black one! 😊

thank you so much dude

Because of you, I have just bought my self a pair of 542', 2x Mimas and the Dione😊. I have UAD and many other good plugins, but you can't beat good hardware. I made an A/B test with the Dione, up against the Shadow Hill Comp from UAD. Every time I turned on the UAD plug, the stereo image just got narrower, compared to the Dione. Is there a widener built into the Dione, or is this because it's hardware of good quality? It's the same experience with the 542's😊. This wider image is what my mixes has been missing, compared to professional mixes. I know there are many things that can do a mix wider, buts it amazing how turning on these 2 hardware, got it much wider😊.

@DJHazadous1

3 жыл бұрын

what order are you running the 542s and Dione?

@225maine

3 жыл бұрын

Dude don't try to bash plugins on the slick lol...the difference is subtle as fuck..you act like someone who just got their first piece of gear ever and says dumb shit like you said...and it wouldn't surprise me if you're using an interface under $2,000 dollars, ppl like you are ridiculous. Smh

@justinupchurch1773

2 жыл бұрын

@@225maine wtf r u talking about? He had a specific & valid question. I’m interested in hearing the answer to his question, instead of reading anymore f $hit from u

@bassnotes5468

Жыл бұрын

@@fernandoherrerabastidas UAD and PA’s Shadow Hill is exactly the same.

do you have two Neve 542s to run stereo signals through them? I'm thinking about getting into the 500 series as my first dive into hardware

Hi David, wow, great insight! Do you write music yourself man? If you write a prog song, I will help you with drums, maybe for the Pro mix academy, or use gear everybody uses: general recording gear and give people a challenge to mix..?? Just an idea, do with it what you want... Cheers, Jeroen. Ps. I saw at Plugin Boutique that the fabfilter pro q3 is on sale...;) I,m curious with the dynamic processing on the mid side.. Maybe something for your channel as a topic?? Ps2. Congrats with your drumrecording course with Matt, I love to see people grow and grow. I think you see the big picture in things, thats why working out helps our health and more...;) Go strong man!!

Anyone ever done a comparison between niacam stereo video tape and vsts?

Hi David this is a nice video!!! why don't you use the neves at the recording stage instead of the mixing stage ? Do you think its ' best use is in tandem with the dione? if so why the diione and not the xpressor ???

@millionhertz.official4669

5 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv i sure do get the idea !!! That s what i call A REAL ANSWER !!! And now i can understand why you chose to give us a little of indications on how the 542 were operating in your previous tutorial.Like you there are so many routes you can take when it comes to processing audio takes weither it is plugins or hardware, and i think it is absolutly important to know what any piece of gear is doing and more important having a purpose for doing things. Thanks again David for your honesty and very well detailed explanation. How could i ever stop following you...

I’ll try Betamax & VHS ☺️

Pls review a Nomad Factory plugin MAGNETIC

I’m staggered at the sound of the 542

@truthtraderaudio4315

5 жыл бұрын

You completely sold me, I have had them on my mind but your demo has really impressed me, especially the red and blue silk textures. Coming from in the box, I have ordered an ssl six, im going to add these to that setup, thank you so much

@truthtraderaudio4315

5 жыл бұрын

MixbusTV very helpful, I have subscribed and I’m going to binge watch your channel!,,

Would love to see Acustica Taupe's on this one, anyways thanks for the video!

@TheAsthmattack

5 жыл бұрын

@Robert Grant can you argue that?

@TheAsthmattack

5 жыл бұрын

@Robert Grant have you ever used real tape machines to know how these sound on the real world? Because I understand that you may like other plugins and their sound more but maybe you don't know how accurate Taupe is emulating real tape vs the other plugins

@TheAsthmattack

5 жыл бұрын

interesting… so, what's your favourite tape plugins?

I own two 542s and a few of that tape emulations you showed. Not a single one sounds like the Portico 542, not even close. I whished they would coz than i wouldnd have to patch arround while tracking an mixing.

Hey, thanks for this great video. Really helped. Could you recommend the best plugin for trying to emulate the 80s tape sound on Swedien albums like Michael Jackson’s Bad album? It has that lovely warmth and slight grittiness whilst keeping incredibly cohesive.

@AllyKiss18

4 жыл бұрын

MixbusTV thanks, and definitely a more logical way to look at it. I am certainly using many different things to capture the sound like the Lexicon 480 but I was just wondering if a certain tape plugin would pull me closer to it. Makes more sense to try a few. Ty x

@soulballet

4 жыл бұрын

That was multiple studer 24 tracks synced together

How about the UAD ATR 102?

I need to know if the Neve Portico MBP has exactly the same parameters as these 2 units + limiter. Is that so? Maybe the MBP is better bang for the buck

Bravo!!! what about the Uad ones, i have the Studer but also are to more, let me know maestro

@sgfdancecompany

4 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv go for it you deserve it!!!

Missed the UAD Ampex, best of them all...

@TheAerovons

5 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv Maybe you needed to work with it more. The Mastering presets are outrageous and you can do your best mix and add it and your mix STILL sounds better. I didn't find that with any of the others. Try the Stephen mastering presets for 15ips and 30 and tell me your mix didn't take a step up.

Have you tried the tape saturation plugin from Hornet? Very good bang for your buck

The Neve hardware is by far has the most girth, and enhances the transient material better than any software. IMO

Is there anything to be aware of / are there any dangers when processing the master L and R through the two separate Neve's with individual controls for each L and R channel (I assume they are mono and paired together for stereo) instead of say a dedicated stereo processor with single controls for both L and R? Hope that made sense. Great stuff :)

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

Not with these, their processing is such broad band that is very easy to march and I would go out and saying I like dual mono on these because if the stereo image

Great video.. Next time add U-He Satin..

@rockostiffredi4276

5 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv I found U-He Satin can sound good if treated as an 'effect', but with small input increases, it deceivingly can over compress/limit the sound and dramatically increases the the integrated LUFS, noticeably on the Master Bus. Also can affect the EQ, by not enhancing the mids, like other good algorithmic/ convolution tape plugins do. Anyway, it's definitely still worth a try. Look forward to your opinions.

Gear shoot out. Click Clack Boom!

I have iZotope Vintage tape, Softube Tape and U-he Satin. 😁

David - have you tried out Kush Audio Novotron plugin? The compressor is good, but I mostly use it for their saturation knobs (input and output) gain. I always very impressed with how it handles my mixes. Getting the Neve's for sure.

No UAD tape???? What about the Studer A800 or the Ampex ATR-102??

Gotta say that those plugins (half of which I own) don’t even come close to the sound of the neve. It’s not even the same sound at all. The bigness, the pumping, none of them do that at all.

@chris-rb7bm

4 жыл бұрын

Ive spend soo much money on plugs lol. Yea cant beat Hardware still I reckon

@matheusfagundesroling735

4 жыл бұрын

@@oinkooink harmonic saturation and tape sound

@benkeibagarmossen4835

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn't be able to point it out in a blindfolded test

It's seems to me you would load some of the presets and then edit from there!

What are your thoughts on tracking with the Neve 542 for vocals , bass and guitar? …. Or are they better for the mixbus instead as a stereo pair.

@mixbustv

2 ай бұрын

Too much color for tracking for me

Hey David! I was wandering when buying the 542s do they need to be a matched pair or have serial numbers sequential?

@mixbustv

2 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter lol I have consecutive and they don't match. It's part of the beauty. They're pretty close but yeah. 4 friends of mine, same thing. Don't worry about it

What is the conclusion?

Black Rooster Magnette for part 2!

@AH23794

5 жыл бұрын

I LOVE the Black Rooster LA2 compressor emulation!!!

If you would track more instruments in the same time, you would need more of them? How are you working with just two?

@izvarzone

3 жыл бұрын

bounce them in turns?

Hey David, have you ever tried the zulu by handsome audio? If so what's your take on it?

@tobiasjone

13 күн бұрын

I bought one… it’s so far from tape, the 542 is much, much nicer.

@PeaKock-be

13 күн бұрын

@@tobiasjone i have a couple of those too, they're great indeed

Can you compare with Crane Song Phoenix II? Nobody ever includes that plug-in in their tape emulation shoot-outs..

@2shotDerringer

5 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv Sweet. I hope I'm not the only one who's overly pleased with that plug-in...

Don't forget Airwindows; ToTape5, IronOxide5 and IronOxideClassic

@mrmorpheus9707

3 жыл бұрын

How do you rate them

@mrmorpheus9707

3 жыл бұрын

@You Tube is this a recent release?

No UAD?

SOUNDS DOPE BRO, WHATS YOUR TAKE ON THE RUPERT NEVE ORBIT

@mixbustv

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of summing mixers, I made a video some time ago about that, but I guess if you don't have anything else it could be a viable option. The RND is good

@tracyfutch3980

2 жыл бұрын

@@mixbustv how do I go about getting mix consultation with u I subscriber to the paid monthly but I don’t know how to set it up with u bro, u are the best on the internet