I wish James Bond was in Melee

@faithfreeman6593

2 жыл бұрын

Who

@thebugbear9198

2 жыл бұрын

I wish my bean was

@JJLarge

2 жыл бұрын

What happened to no non-video game characters? He's from a book and movie series

@_Vaelent

2 жыл бұрын

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@dracopixel0

2 жыл бұрын

epic

“James bond has a real gun, so he can’t be in.” Joker: allow me to introduce myself.

@gameuniverse5973

2 жыл бұрын

I know it a joke but joker gun is fake it just work as a real one because the enemies think it is one

@kingdedede6853

2 жыл бұрын

@@gameuniverse5973 yes

@TrueTrickster2016

2 жыл бұрын

It is a model gun

@IchigoScorpion

2 жыл бұрын

His right. I played Persona 5 Royal. The gun wasn't real. Just a model.

@Compucles

2 жыл бұрын

What about Bayonetta?

James Bond would've been unleashing a Pandora's Box of completely wild choices later down the line and I don't know if that would be a good or bad thing for the series.

@jlev1028

2 жыл бұрын

It would've been terrible. Leave the non-video game characters to Smash Flash.

@OtisCluck

2 жыл бұрын

I can hear the arguments now “if James Bond got in, why can’t Goku?!”

@tranidite

2 жыл бұрын

I can see that. Considering snake opened a can of worms which has lead to many great and terrible choices for the smash cast, I can see how fucking insane it can get if Bond was in.

@quadzers5703

2 жыл бұрын

Instead of too many fire emblem characters we would have too many firearm characters

@seanmyster6

2 жыл бұрын

Hypothetically, if we were to get non-video game characters in Smash, I would want them to still be characters that are significant to the history of gaming in some way; such as Popeye (the original intended star of what would become Donkey Kong, plus his spinach power-up inspired Pac-Man's power pellets), James Bond (the star of the first majorly successful FPS on console), and yes, even Goku. (with Dragon Ball, alongside Fist of The North Star and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, heavily inspiring the fighting genre as we know it today) Characters such as Shrek or SpongeBob, who haven't had any serious impact on gaming history, would NOT fit the bill.

There’s plenty of characters that could count as “Nows or Nevers” that’s what I call them. Midna being a contender for Brawl when Twilight Princess was the hot new Zelda game around the time of Brawl.

@Mostbaleia

2 жыл бұрын

Every time a new fire emblem game comes out, we will have another FE rep in game using that logic...

@duke0salt717

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised she was cut, fuckin travesty. We ain't had a new original zelda character since Zelda and Shiek from melee every other has been a clone of link or just Ganondorf being bad Falcon

@brandonwilliams6119

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mostbaleia And so they did that after Brawl.

@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902

2 жыл бұрын

@@duke0salt717 You're talking a lot of shit for someone within Doriyah distance.

@cyberjoy404

2 жыл бұрын

I wanna live in that reality…😔

I could imagine that had we got Slime instead of Hero, we would’ve gotten fan art of Slime and Piranha Plant as buddies due to being mooks in Smash.

@IcyDiamond

2 жыл бұрын

That would’ve been one Hell of a timeline

@vanessasandoval96

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah what if there is a bonus pack in fighter pass 2

@IcyDiamond

2 жыл бұрын

@@vanessasandoval96 Rumors out there says there might be one

@Panbow_

2 жыл бұрын

@@IcyDiamond if Mach rider ever gets into smash bros, he would basically be like wario side special, if it had a moveset.

@IcyDiamond

2 жыл бұрын

@@Panbow_ That would be very fun!

In a alternate universe: Ness and Roy in melee, Puff in Brawl and Dark pit in smash 4 would all be on this list

@thebloodyaussie1458

2 жыл бұрын

Probably Sonic for Brawl as well since the reason he doesn't have a varied moveset and had an incredibly small appearance in the final scene of Subspace is because Sega didn't get back to Nintendo with the okay until it was almost too late.

@emilstoqanov3270

2 жыл бұрын

Actually Lucina and Dr.Mario too since they were also originally costumes like Alph

@oranjolt

2 жыл бұрын

Unless it wasn't mentioned or had no evoidence 0-0

@vandam6057

2 жыл бұрын

I never played melee and haven't played brawl in a while, so why is ness and puff on the list

@austinreavis4226

2 жыл бұрын

@@vandam6057 Last minute additions to the roster iirc

Remember, if James Bond was added to Smash, That would open a WHOLE new can of worms for the community to predict characters. Like "Guys I saw a leak that the Ghostbusters are joining Smash!" Or Iron Man, or any other characters from shows and movies.

@OtisCluck

2 жыл бұрын

Goku

@GhostlyPhantom

2 жыл бұрын

@@OtisCluck Animes would not be off the table.

@alexpotts6520

2 жыл бұрын

Shrek fanboys would be insufferable. They would unironically call themselves "brogres" and incessantly quote tired memes to each other while occasionally getting into flame wars with Spongebob stans.

@Rot8erConeX

2 жыл бұрын

combine that with the alternate timeline where JK accepted Nintendo's proposal for a Zelda-like Harry Potter game at the expense of gaining exclusive rights to the series, and we really have a scenario where there are no HP movies or theme parks, but he has legit chances of getting into Smash Bros.

@TankEngine75

2 жыл бұрын

Not just that but also in Polls and stuff,Most Highly Requested Gaming Characters would be overshadowed by Characters from Shows and Movies

they literally fucking said "add wario and waluigi" and sakurai said "mmhm wario".

@Headless_Toil2418

2 жыл бұрын

Why he be bullied tho 😭

@INFERNO95

2 жыл бұрын

NOBODY said add waluigi.

@PlagueDocling

2 жыл бұрын

@@INFERNO95 *stop pretending we dont exist smh*

@foolishfool3310

2 жыл бұрын

right Waluigi should have been in Brawl honestly

@INFERNO95

2 жыл бұрын

@@foolishfool3310 He was in brawl.

I love how his intro was literally every reveal in descending order.

@TomTheyy

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like it's from the end of Sakurai's Kazuya presentation.

@DavidGames1011

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomTheyy yah it goes from Kazuya to Villager

It’s cool to see someone dedicated enough to look so extensively to find every single character that was scrapped

@cammoore___

2 жыл бұрын

*Sad Source Gaming Noises*

@Aaronitmar

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot take credit for this, I simply collected information from the internet and made it into a video. Most - if not all - of this info came from Source Gaming, or at the very least their translations. They do incredibly thankless work a lot of the time and I don't want to take credit where it isn't deserved.

@brandonwilliams6119

2 жыл бұрын

Siiroth also does these types of videos check him out too.

@cammoore___

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonwilliams6119 ye I watch him too

@ForsakenMemories45

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly he didn't touch on a lot of other information, likely because it isn't officially stated yet, but I'm sure it will come up soon enough.

Nintendo: Here are four reasons James Bond couldn't be in Smash, a couple of which (the movie license and the actor's likeness) have been issues that have sunk far larger projects than a potential character in a fighting game. Aaronitmar: "weird Nintendo logic kind of way"

@RF-tg2eh

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair I'm not sure if this is as much of an issue now. Mortal Kombat 11 has used the likenesses actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone for their iconic characters. I do know however that the James Bond rights can get very tricky.

@tranidite

2 жыл бұрын

It's weird kind of Nintendo logic to even consider James Bond for smash in the first place.

@Gabo2oo

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the guns could very well have actually been problematic, since the rating board standards were different back then. There's also no guarantee they could've worked just like Joker's.

@MatthewCJoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@tranidite is it though? Hes really the only case like that.

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

Gee, why isn't Batman in Smash yet either? Weird Nintendo logic!

Mach Rider or the Excitebike guy would have been a good ideas. Imagine a Smash character who is always on a motorcycle? Sounds so fun.

@pavloverboy

2 жыл бұрын

Wario has a motorcycle, so I guess that counts?

@anomaly395

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly wish Mach Rider was in Smash

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing that sounds neat about Excitebike is if every stage had upward slopes just for him, but I generally hate the idea of characters that are only there to represent the ancient times like "R.O.tor and Gyro Spam" and of course Duc Khunt. Bike might actually be the one that I ended up liking the concept of... (Ice Climbers are okay at least.)

@gogetavsvegito

Жыл бұрын

How was Captain Falcons moveset made? i never played f zero but i know its a racing game so was his personality and moveset made just for smash? so i can def see them dong something similar with an excite bike rider

@TheMarashian

9 ай бұрын

@@gogetavsvegitoHe has personality in f zero. Some moves of his are references too. Sorry for being late but an answer is an answer ig

Could you imagine the alternate timeline where James Bond got in, allowing other licensed game characters to get in such as, Goku, Scott Pilgrim, Homer Simpson, and Spongebob, just to name a few.

@failmeep5167

2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget Shrek!

@kaibecnel67

2 жыл бұрын

And lightning McQueen

@lunanote-cassettemeower

2 жыл бұрын

Well Spongebob is getting to be a fighter in the upcoming Nickelodeon smash game, so there’s that.

@iminsidethewalls8141

2 жыл бұрын

@@lunanote-cassettemeower not the same, but yeah, good point

@sirekumasutra7022

2 жыл бұрын

I'd main Obama or Santa Claus

Dixie and Geno not quite making it is painful, hopefully one day they'll get their chance.

@brettdavis4282

2 жыл бұрын

@Matt_with_a_hat oh it will, the real question is if Sakurai will be on board or not.

@tranidite

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettdavis4282 At this point probably not. Man has worked his life on this series, literally contracted some kind of arthritis in his hand by smash 4 development if I remember correctly, he's probably going to take a vacation from the series atleast for awhile.

@avocado9466

2 жыл бұрын

@@tranidite yeah next smash will be like in 6-10 years

@jamesnelson5618

2 жыл бұрын

@@avocado9466 10 Years would be Good bro and sometimes it better because we don't know what they'll do for smash future anyways.

@isauldron4337

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettdavis4282 not everybody can be in Smash

15:52 The story behind Alph’s inclusion is interesting and I’m glad it was included in the video, but I don’t think Alph qualifies as a “scrapped character” since he still made it in as a playable fighter in 3DS/Wii U and Ultimate. I’d say it’s more of a “role repurpose.”

@alexpotts6520

2 жыл бұрын

I think it still somewhat qualifies, because Alph would have been a character with mechanical differences (I'm guessing the Rock Pikmin, with some kind of shield-breaking property).

@briansilva3344

2 жыл бұрын

I wish all the Pikmin protags could be alternates, or at least on different teams Olimar- original Wendy - Red Team Louie - Blue Team Captain Charlie - Green Team President - Black alternate Alph - alternate 7 & 8''s smash original.

I'd wanna see a deep dive of the Smash 2 poll to be honest

@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08

2 жыл бұрын

Source gaming has one

@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08

2 жыл бұрын

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@ZarieTudiskava

2 жыл бұрын

Someone wanted to play as baby mario.

@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17

2 жыл бұрын

@@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08 I watched it, but Aaron makes longer videos so it would be neat it his style lol

I have watched a dozen of these ''scrapped fighters'' videos, but honestly, whenever Aaron picks up a subject it is such a breath of fresh air. I love how in depth he goes and how he's able to put such a new spin on an overdone subject. Great as always!

Anyone else ever get the coveted "one million melees played" in SSBM

@PK-Radio

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats you got the "no life" achievement

@MasutaMJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@PK-Radio I never actually got the message. It was a data mine video some years ago.

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

Is *that* how you unlock James Bond?

When sephiroth get announced, in the miis presentetion, when I see geno become a mii again,i cry

@linkspokemon4114

2 жыл бұрын

Sephiroth has soras dying body tid to his bed, and while he is burning genos remains!!!

@angry998

2 жыл бұрын

I cried of laughter, shitty puppet is never going to be in Smash

@boydixonentertainment

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesnelson5618 It’s only toxic if you shame people for it.

@alexanderosorio8647

2 жыл бұрын

I was happy the dumb puppet was a mii but is he a western rep? That means a character only western fans wanted? If so another reason to hate him

@ZooMadness

2 жыл бұрын

Easily one of the darkest days in Smash history. Not just because of what happened, but because of the aftermath. Square/FF7 fanbois are cancer incarnate. Always were, always will be.

Fun fact: classic sonic was originally going to be sonic's desgin with a more in series moveset but due to time constraint it went the other way. Modern sonic with a megadrive focused moveset

@DerpaTure9503

Жыл бұрын

Source? "Classic Sonic" wasn't a thing until 2011, there wasn't an established difference before Generations, there was just Sonic in differing artstyles. And the Sonic in the game itself doesn't really have a Megadrive-focused moveset: he uses mostly attacks from Sonic The Fighters (an arcade game), original attacks that use Sonic's main abilities and a couple individual references to both the classic games (like the spin charge) and the Adventure games (like the other spin dash and the homing attack)

@raedytgamer6385

Жыл бұрын

@@DerpaTure9503 aaronitmar said it in the vid: biggest development chance

@DerpaTure9503

Жыл бұрын

@@raedytgamer6385 There's no such video on the channel

3:26 you are telling me that James FRECKING bond could have goten in to smash

@mxl8755

2 жыл бұрын

F8CKING JAMES BONDS AND SNAKE, HOLY SH*T

@PincessTrunks

2 жыл бұрын

Banjo and James Bond weren’t actually considered. People just assumed they were because of what Sakurai had said about Rare characters in Melee

Rex hurts the most for me personally, because he was so f*cking close to getting in, now he's missed his probably one and only chance of joining the roster. At least his strong presence in Pyra and Mythra's moveset and animations help make up for it a bit.

I still kinda want to see Ayumi get into a game. I really want to see how they would make her move set.

@snuffysam

2 жыл бұрын

And hey, Famicom Detective Club should be more well-known now thanks to the remakes!

@niggacity5424

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of people say that, "I wanna see their moveset" but that's the whole reason I hate some characters - their moveset was made up on the spot because they had no potential for one. I don't want another Pac-Man throwing arcade sprites of his mortal enemies at his opponents, or Duck Hunt summoning random outlaws to shoot people... even R.O.B. had more move potential to begin with.

@lasercraft32

Жыл бұрын

@@Falkuzrules No. What? You realize R.O.B. was LITERALLY just a toy robot that can spin tops, right? There's literally no other move potential they could have done for him.

@Falkuzrules

Жыл бұрын

​@@lasercraft32 Was saying R.O.B. has *more* moveset potential than them. He spins tops, let's give him tops to throw. He can turn his arms, let's give him an arm spinning move. Heck, he's a robot so throw in a rocket and a laser. ...The duck flies... and the dog laughs. But put them in anyway and throw in random NES Zapper gimmick moves because gotta have my Nintendo history! (note: i don't like r.o.b. either)

If any of these scrapped fighters have the chance to be a new character in Ultimate, I think the most likely one is Ayumi Tachibana. The only thing really hold her back in Melee was the fact that her games were not released outside of Japan. But now, not only are they available world wide, but even remastered for the Switch! Not only is her limitation gone, but it would be an easy way for Nintendo to make money by advertising her in Smash since she's a 1st party character. They've done it before (biggest examples being Corrin & Byleth), so if they don't do it here, they'd just be leaving money on the table.

@hunterwalker4256

2 жыл бұрын

Looks at rhythm heaven......

@dannybright8708

2 жыл бұрын

@@hunterwalker4256 but Rhythm Heaven hasn’t had a game in 5 years and no new entry has been announced. It might just be a dead franchise meaning it’s very unlikely to get a character as DLC.

@hunterwalker4256

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannybright8708 looks like you didn’t read this guys comment all to well

@axaturdoor7553

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannybright8708 So? There are several instances of franchises not having a new game in years yet they’re still in Smash regardless. At least with Rhythm Heaven, the last console it was on was on the 3DS and the last mention of the franchise was the latest and the previous 2 Wariowares.

@myang12003

2 жыл бұрын

How would her moveset work?

In the future we might be talking about how Sakurai considered adding Jonesy from Fortnite but ended up deciding he'd be too hard to translate into Smash

@Zero-gl2ou

2 жыл бұрын

No just no

@LucarioShirona

2 жыл бұрын

Since no Mii Costume, either tells me that they couldn't make contact, deal didn't go through, or Sakurai just didn't care for Fortnite/ no plans.

@thatonerotom8999

2 жыл бұрын

@@LucarioShirona I'd wager the third option.

Even tho theres no confirmation of this. I think a rep from Monster Hunter would be another scrapped character. As how we got Rathalos and theres an entire area with monster hunter theme in world of light.

@tylermacgregor1320

2 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that a Monster Hunter was originally going to be the final character of the first fighter pass and they were going to be the originator of the weapon swapping mechanic, but for some reason they were scrapped mid-development and their assets were repurposed for Byleth. I can't find the source, but I believe it because many of Byleth's animations look like they're ripped straight from Monster Hunter.

@dannybright8708

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylermacgregor1320 I heard something similar, but it said Monster Hunter was planned for BASE roster but got scrapped. It also said Sora was gonna be the last character in the fighter’s pass but got scrapped because negotiations with Disney fell through. Sakurai and the Smash team then just took what they had made for Monster Hunter and used it to make Byleth. EDIT: Welp, looks like they worked something out in the end.

I know it's included in your source Pastebin, but it would've been nice to give a verbal shout-out to the Definitive Unused Fighter List in Smash/SG. It's a resource that Source Gaming and I are committed to keeping current so videos like this can exist and so everyone can have the proper information! Since it's hard to directly update videos after they've been published DUFL will always have the most up-to-date information even years after this video has been out!

I think out of all of them that still haven't made it in, it has to Geno and especially Dixie, I understand Geno, but it feels weird Dixie still is not in it, like I feel she would make the DK part of the roster feel complete

@christianlopez707

2 жыл бұрын

I think because there was more demand for Krool, people only really started pushing for Dixie when he got in.

@josh6453

2 жыл бұрын

@@christianlopez707 No, it’s because the Nintendo fans are hypocrites for hating on Dixie because she’s a “Diddy ripoff,” yet they prefer fucking Lucina!

@ThatFurryTeen

2 жыл бұрын

@@josh6453 Lucina is actually a tiny bit different than her idol. Marth has attacks that are strongest at the tip, whereas Lucina deals the same damage every time.

@facepalm6315

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatFurryTeen That’s still not a big difference.

@josh6453

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatFurryTeen I was talking about character wise.

I think Ayumi Tachibana in Smash would've been so cool! I hope Phoenix Wright is the last character in Fighters Pass 2 as sort of an homage to that original idea.

@PeruvianPotato

2 жыл бұрын

That's all fine and dandy but wtf is he gonna do? Throw a briefcase? At best I can see a stage and that's it

@tiffyw92

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeruvianPotato If you haven't seen him in action in UMvC3 or Project X Zone 2, then I recommend you check them out. He throws papers, points at people, sneezes on them, trips and it trips his opponents too, calls on a giant judge to slam his gavel on them, summons his assistant as a shield, breaks defenses with his Magatama... but above all, he shouts "Objection!" and indicts everyone in court for their crimes. If Sakurai and team really want him in Smash, they already have inspiration. I'm just not as hopeful as most other fans. If he even gets to be a Mii costume, that's already a huge win imo.

@TrueTrickster2016

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeruvianPotato ^ What he said watch Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3.

@dyll_pyckle

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeruvianPotato Yeah what they said! Idk I think the Smash team could have tons of fun with his moveset

@lordkaijux5262

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeruvianPotato They've managed to create and program a fully constructed moveset to a potted plant with fangs, a plastic Nintendo peripheral toy that operates on its own (sort of), a 2D LCD man with limited animation, a mannequin-esque yoga instructor, and an inflatable living balloon-like creature who's singing that can make people fall sleep. In other words none of the them look like fighting game character potential and yet they managed to pull it off. Therefore the Smash Bros. developers can clearly come up with a moveset for practically for *any* video game character.

I would’ve loved to see any characters we eventually got in an earlier game; Bowser in 64, Wario in Melee, PAC-MAN in Brawl, or Chrom in Smash 4. Those are just some examples but it just would be neat to see what they would look like in the different styles of each game.

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

When I was young playing Melee I think it was on Flat Zone specifically, the characters' shadows would be polygonal and I would look at the shadow and visualize how they would've looked in 64 (specifically Mewtwo, really wanted to see him in it) by filling in the details mentally. Of course if Bowser WAS in 64 I'd much rather him have that one silly model... which is why I love the Smash Remix romhack!

Rex and Springman were honestly my most wanted characters going into Ultimate so I'm glad we ended up just getting better versions of those wants in Fighter's Pass 2. So now my dream want from the scrapped list is Ayumi thanks to FDC finally getting localized this year; I don't know how Sakurai would pull off an Adventure game based moveset but I'd like to see the team try.

@mds_main

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest I would like to see in future games Spring Man as a Min Min echo and Rex appear in the background of Pyra/Mythra like Pokemon Trainer at least

@jomaq9233

2 ай бұрын

@@mds_mainputting in the XC3 Future Redeemed version of Rex could be a cool way to implement him as a standalone character from Pyra and Mythra

I would’ve love to see Takamaru and Balloon Fighter as full fighters in smash since their games appeared on Nintendoland.

@foolishfool3310

2 жыл бұрын

yeah me too

@aa-ir6si

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't villager's moveset based off Balloon Fight?

@thedukeofnothing6421

2 жыл бұрын

@@aa-ir6si his Up B

decidueye was probably my 2nd most wanted before ultimate released. wouldve prefered him but incineroar is also badass

@angry998

2 жыл бұрын

Incineroar over Decidueye was such a shitty choice, nobody likes the Tiger Mask rip-off

@KirbyCuteKing

2 жыл бұрын

@@angry998 your the only nobody Incineroar is cool. He brought a new type of fighting to do he roster

@angry998

2 жыл бұрын

@@KirbyCuteKing lol, Incineroar is hated by both Pokémon and Smash fans, his design is so bad compared with Decidueye

@PeterGriffin11

2 жыл бұрын

@@angry998 I like Incineroar.

@UltimateDragonX9999

2 жыл бұрын

But hey with Gen 8 aka sword and Shield being the recent generation there is hope now that new fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon Rillaboom will join smash ultimate dlc. It’s time for a fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon to join as a fighter for smash ultimate.

The most likely reason why the forbidden 7 characters in brawl were cut was time constraints. Sakurai even said that he had a lot of characters planned, but were scrapped due to time constraints. It also didn't help that those characters were low priority. Going by what Sakurai said and the unused files in Brawl, I'm assuming it's the forbidden 7 and maybe even more is what Sakurai is referring to. Aside from Dixie Kong, there has been sources back during the leak group on why Mewtwo and Roy were cut aside from being low priority and time constraints. Roy was cut due to not only being a low priority character, but he was also cut because there were more interesting choices than him and due to only certain amount of time that the development team had. As for Mewtwo, well when he was ported over from Melee, he was pretty glitchy and filled with technical issues. This could explain why in Smash 4 Mewtwo had different hitboxes with the same moveset. Because of Mewtwo's poor design from Melee, the team even could not easily recreate Mewtwo using Melee assets unlike the other characters from Melee. Sure, they could've created from scratch, but I'm guessing the team thought it wasn't worth it or wasn't motivated enough. After all, he is a difficult character to develop. Plus, it doesn't help the fact that 60% of the development was focused on the SSE. Still since Mewtwo and Roy were beloved characters, they stayed in longer during development than the other 5. It just so happened that certain circumstances push them out of the running. Again, I would take this grain of salt because it's is NOT confirmed, but it is interesting to think about. But, we can definitely say that the forbidden 7 were cut due to time and how the development was stacking up. Sources: web.archive.org/web/20141009211720/www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/4964/sakurai-cut-characters-from-smash-bros/ smashboards.com/threads/nintenzone-social-thread-shovel-knight-amiibo-hype-catastrophe-feat-swamp.405399/page-208#post-19488650

those Q&A screenshots are most interesting, thanks for uploading!

They never even considered Waluigi NOT EVEN ONCE

@Doracake

7 ай бұрын

you mean 3d world?

It was a surprise to me to find that Banjo has always been one of the most favorite characters for the game since the first one (Mostly for a vote in Japan only.)

@jamesnelson5618

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed he have and have you recently play as him in Smash Ultimate?

@mr.m4302

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesnelson5618 No, but was a surprise to know that many people only in Japan wanted him since 64.

@jaggermurlin6343

2 жыл бұрын

I've been wanting banjo for years

Geno is the saddest missing character. Also Dixie would have been alot of fun

@brandonwilliams6119

2 жыл бұрын

Midna, Krystal and even Ashley would’ve been a lot of fun.

@BR-jw7pm

2 жыл бұрын

I wish they’d do an echo pass including new echos like Dixie, but alas, it’ll never happen

@LtCdrXander

2 жыл бұрын

Forget pathetic side character Geno; chad James Bond would have been the best character choice

@MichaelVickers2007

2 жыл бұрын

Why geno was only in 1 game so he is not a huge icon

@foolishfool3310

2 жыл бұрын

@@LtCdrXander lol shut up

"Arms series director" I hope we can officially call it a "series" someday... Edit: I just wanted to show support for Arms but I started an "interesting" thread in the process

@nekroneko7335

2 жыл бұрын

Can‘t wait for Legs

@blu8096

2 жыл бұрын

@@nekroneko7335 lmao

@onewingedren2228

2 жыл бұрын

@@nekroneko7335 i'm waiting for heads

@theblizzard8735

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, HANDS is one I'm looking forward too

@Mac1081

2 жыл бұрын

@@theblizzard8735 I want *necks*

Doc is in the thumbnail since he was cut in brawl, same goes for the other two not gonna spoil them ;)

@GeoIsTimeless

2 жыл бұрын

Dixie kong and Geno. Spoiled it :troll:

@darkdoctor1915

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeoIsTimeless, heh

I like how the three characters in the thumbnail each represent one of the three ways fighters have been scrapped: Geno = Characters who were considered, but seemingly dropped before any real work was done on them. Dixie Kong = Characters who were worked on, but never actually made it to the final roster. Remnants of their code can often still be found in the game files of the retail release. Dr. Mario = Characters who made official debuts as fighters, but were cut from the final roster of at least one subsequent Smash game (Brawl, in Dr. Mario's case.)

I am personally SO glad Pyra and Mythra got in the way they did, switching on the fly is so fun

@alexanderosorio8647

2 жыл бұрын

Pyra and mythra: together nothing can stand in our way ! At e3 Kazuya yeets them off a cliff lol

@BuetifullPersun

2 жыл бұрын

Ya and rex is boring

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderosorio8647 Mythra: Together nothing can stand in our way! Pyra: *spams specials until match ends*

This was a very good video! Good job, Aaron!

Makes me sad that Rhythm Heaven got *so close* to having a rep, and yet it didn’t happen, and now it honestly feels like it’ll never happen…

Though I wouldn’t have liked him replacing Ness, Lucas would have been neat to see in Melee. Especially with his Earthbound 64 costume.

@mcecidejesus8477

2 жыл бұрын

Hey i have a question do you liked how porky was a boss in brawl

@Man_Jr._Studios

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcecidejesus8477 All the way. He was my favorite boss in Smash. Hoping he will be the final dlc fighter though in Ultimate, due to his absence and lack of representation in the game.

@tabetball6114

2 жыл бұрын

@@Man_Jr._Studios Same

@tabetball6114

2 жыл бұрын

@@Man_Jr._Studios There is a leak that the final background color character of Ultimate will be purple. And Porky fits purple.

@Man_Jr._Studios

2 жыл бұрын

@@tabetball6114 That’s right, I remember! ☝️😃 Man, am I excited to see this last dlc fighter.

I wish Krystal was a playable character.

@michaelmulligan-nufer186

2 жыл бұрын

And here starts the phrase, "I'm not a furry, but..."

@KingStr0ng

2 жыл бұрын

I want Waluigi tbh. Still doesn't make any sense why he's not in.

@schmoovin

2 жыл бұрын

@@KingStr0ng Waluigi only appears in spin-off

@pureevilecho150

2 жыл бұрын

Im a furry. I wanted krystal long before smash😎

@pureevilecho150

2 жыл бұрын

@@schmoovin smash is a spin-off for every character

In some universe, Minecraft Steve wouldnt have been added to ssbu but if we'd have found out that he was considered for being a fighter in the game, that would have been absolutely insane

@alexanderosorio8647

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly i wish that was our universes as the only good western rep is banjo if we get a smash 6 hopefully we get japan only picks cus at lease they are better than western ones Also E

You can’t talk about smash’s scrapped characters without the forbidden 7

@jamesnelson5618

2 жыл бұрын

And also about Issac from Golden sun why he's scrap from Brawl or Melee.

@TheRealZXXZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesnelson5618 isaac was never scrapped tho, because he never got the consideration in the first place

11:40 "The Forbidden Seve" Me: That's Nine

@PeterGriffin11

2 жыл бұрын

He was counting Plusle & Minun as a single character sense they could’ve been a duo fighter if they did indeed end up getting cut.

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it's not even seven in any way unless you count Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik separately, but they're supposed to be a duo same as Plusle/Minun.

Now it is quite likely that Ayumi Tachibana will enter to Super Smash Bros. She has everything to be a newcomer.

@ballisticboo7808

2 жыл бұрын

Except popularity and moveset, which are probably the most important things

@luisreyes1963

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, it never happened. But at least her game is now on the Switch.

Very well thought out video, I subbed and liked 👍

I remember back in 6th grade, my friend and I would always talk Smash 64 and we'd try to guess who would be in the sequel whenever it would come out. My wish and still to this day wish for the Double Dragons. Their move sets are basically Smash ready and there'd be two characters with a simple color pallet swap. My friend would try to get Paperboy in the game but I always objected because I just couldn't picture a dude on a bike fighting other people...Sadly it doesn't look like Billy and Jimmy Lee will ever make it to Smash.

James Bond was likely kicked out for breaking the rule that a character must originate from a video game franchise.

@Cinko420

2 жыл бұрын

As the video says, that was part of the reason. The realistic guns, movie rights and the Rare licensing were also what ultimately scrapped him.

Apparently Square wanted Cloud to be DLC again for Ultimate and Sakurai just barely managed to nab him, which is why there's so little FF7 content in the base game (i.e. there are entire Street Fighter/Castlevania/Metal Gear sections in World of Light but you just fight Cloud at some random point in the Zelda area)

@LucarioShirona

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. If the next Smash game manages to get Cloud and Sephiroth back, I have no doubts that Square Enix will push for more DLC content after.

@Doracake

7 ай бұрын

@@LucarioShirona Problem is if people want some other Final Fantasy characters then Cloud and Sephiroth have to back out.

Sick thumbnail aaronitmar(and great video) the art style almost looked like Scooby Doo to me

Lover the video man! So freaking cool!!!

I would still love to see a new Mysterious Murasame Castle game, and being able to play as Takamaru in Smash also would be cool.

The main thing I’m taking away from this video is that for some reason the smash development team is constantly desperate to add more Ice Climber-like characters. I wonder why that is?

@docs.a.t.7161

2 жыл бұрын

It is (or was, as of recent games) focused on nintendo history. It wouldn't be very good at doing that if it was just a bajillion characters from Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, etc, woud it? Just how I feel on the manner

@MrStarman926

2 жыл бұрын

@@docs.a.t.7161 You misunderstand me. I meant ice-climber like in the sense that they wanted to add multiple "two-player" characters. Plusle and Minun, Diddy and Dixie, etc. Even Rosalina and Luma

@thatonerotom8999

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because its the easiet way to add more charadters, I'm guessing.

@Doracake

7 ай бұрын

@@MrStarman926 But the very big difference is that Popo and Nana are very similair with each other. You cannot force other duo teams because those characters are actullay very unique which means NIntendo have to spend double fighter budget to do one fighter, that isn't a good idea. Why not do two independent fighters to appeal more fans?

James Bond of course was tied to the Movie Publisher, so of course not unless Nintendo organized something. Banjo Kazooie, we know that RARE was with Nintendo at that point in time but when Melee was released, RARE was looking for a buyer and when Nintendo refused to buy the company 100% (they had 49% to 51% at the time) then it was Microsoft who in 2002 brought RARE to own 100% of the company. It was a miracle for Banjo Kazooie to even be in Smash Ultimate as a DLC character.

I wish Geno would come someday as a full character. Im happy with him as a mii though.

@angry998

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine wasting your time on programming a shitty irrelevant character that nobody, not even Mario fans, can recognize

@TheSmart-CasualGamer

2 жыл бұрын

Bit harsh. I mean, I agree, but that's a bit harsh. Coming from a European, where Legend of the Seven Stars wasn't even released.

@HudsonU

2 жыл бұрын

​@@angry998 Look- I like the character, if you disagree, that's cool. Just agree to disagree, don't be over the top about everything.

@HudsonU

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Yea, I agree with the whole region situation. Technically it was released, on both the snes classic and virtual console in Europe, but that is a good point.

@alexanderosorio8647

2 жыл бұрын

If its a western rep that its a no no rep Luigi

Fun fact: Pit was also one of the characters planned to be in the first game but he wasn’t because they had a hard time programming his wings

@docs.a.t.7161

2 жыл бұрын

That's just an urban legend

I bet his James Bond Victory animation would be him glocking his gun, and saying the name is Bond, James Bond

My theory for why Tetra was called Toon Sheik, is that perhaps she and Toon Zelda meant to share a spot on the character select screen, and the player would have been able to freely switch between the two in a manner similar to Zelda and Sheik.

i literally made a concept for decidueye as a smash fighter in 2018 when ultimate hype was at it’s highest. when incineroar got announced, my heart was SHATTERED

You seemed to have overlooked that initially Leif From Fire Emblem 5 was going to debut in Melee. However, he was ultimately replaced by Roy as a second FE rep. Moreover, a Marth palette swap resembling Leif (i.e. The white alt) is present in Melee as a result

The Chorus Kids and perhaps even Plusle and Minun would be great. I love multiple fighters in one.

banger video, subbed

Kind of surprised that you didn't bring up Sakurai's alternative choices for FF reps in Smash 4. Knowing he has said if he couldn't get Tetsuya Nomura's permission for using Cloud. Then he would've personally went with Terra or Bartz instead. Though at the same time Nomura brought up Noctis and Lightning and initially thought Sakurai wanted them thinking they were relevant at the time. There was an interview about this.

Heihachi was scrapped from Smash 4 because he didn't have the Devil Gene, so we got Kazuya instead. lmao. Heihachi: Damn you, KAZUYA!!!!

@liquidsaberz02

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh my picks for a Tekken character were between Kazuya and Jin (I actually wanted Jin more) cause they had the Devil Gene. Heihachi still would’ve been hype tho lmao.

@marplatense31

2 жыл бұрын

@@liquidsaberz02 I honestly thought Jin had a better chance than Kazuya due to being the (kinda) hero of Tekken since Smash doesn't like to do villains much. But Kazuya is my favorite character, so I was pretty happy they chose him.

@liquidsaberz02

2 жыл бұрын

@@marplatense31 yea even if I initially wanted the 4th traditional fg rep to be Guilty Gear’s Sol Badguy, Kazuya was still a hype and surprising pick.

I encountered this weird glitch when I play Smash 4. So whenever I look at the hoard for trophies (where you can see them all laid out) I’ll find a trophy that looks sorta like a toon version of Excite-Bike. But when I look at the gallery, (where you can look at one trophy at a time) I can never find it. I’ve called it “Excite-Bike’s Revenge” since he was scraped from the early roster. Does anyone have any info on this?

@flamei9306

2 жыл бұрын

i may have gotten a joke flown by my head, but have you checked to see if you have an excite biker trophy that uses a flat sprite directly from excite bike? it may be that trophy, but due to him being tiny and screen resolution stuff, it might blur it a bit to appear like a cartoon-y version.

@loser.lunatic4089

2 жыл бұрын

@@flamei9306 no, it isn’t sprite like. It’s fully 3D modeled.

@Falkuzrules

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure what you're trying to get at but Smash 4's Excitebike trophy *is* a 3D model. It's actually only been a sprite in Brawl.

@loser.lunatic4089

2 жыл бұрын

@@Falkuzrules like, it has the same patern and characteristics of Exite-Bike, but it’s 3d

I didn't hear this on your list, but Sakurai was hearing a lot of demand to include Saki Amamiya from Sin and Punishment. To quote the Smash Dojo blog from Brawl, "He rivals just about any main character. There were many requests from users for his inclusion, and he IS pretty cool, so I did what I could to include him." I lowkey wish we got Alucard instead of the Belmonts. Sure, he'd be another anime swordfighter (doubly redundant for his resemblance to Sephiroth) but Symphony of the Night is such a masterpiece that I'd love to have seen it get represented in the roster.

As a zelda fan, I cannot wrap my head around the idea that there could have been a "toon sheik" like wtf

Geno really should've made it into Ultimate

@reaperzone85

2 жыл бұрын

Na, in the miis where he belongs because he's just not important.

@TheRealZXXZ

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and have it's entire defining legacy being "that one 3rd party character smash fanboys circlejerk so badly for years" instead of people who actually enjoyed SMRPG 20 years ago. It was a right move to shoot him down. 👎

I want Krystal the most and Dixie! The game could use more iconic females! I’m interested in Krystal because they said she would play very different compared to fox and etc ! I’m sure she would use her staff and magic

@lasercraft32

Жыл бұрын

No offense but I wouldn't call Krystal and Dixie iconic... sometimes I forget they even exist.

11:59 I love that persona 5 music! Good choice!

I’d consider some of the mii costumes scrapped characters. Like fallout guy, sans, and geno

"Every scrapped character" this is about to be tragic, isn’t it?

"favorite character: captain falcon" "reason: it seems to be a man" lmfao

5:12 imagine it is the last dlc I mean we got a new game about fam icon detective club and he said he would love it, I just wonder how would she attacks?

This is your best video so far

I would have liked to have seen Mewtwo, Bowser, and Dedede for the Smash 64 just to have some villains to choose from.

I can't imagine what sonic in melee would be like. 20SS

I have an idea for a topic for a video What if Smash Bros came out in 2021? Like the series started today. What would the starting roster of 12 be like, what would their moves be, who would be dlc?

As much as I would have loved to have seen Banjo and Kazooie in Melee, I am glad we finally got to see them get in as Ultimate DLC. As for fighters that never made the cut after their initial scrapping, the ones I would have most wanted to see make it in are Dixie Kong, Krystal, Decidueye and Slime.

I would have like Ayumi Tachibana since she is sure to have been unique.

@luisreyes1963

Жыл бұрын

Better her than Jonesy from Fortnite. 😤

Love the thumbnail 🤣

That illustration of sakurai in the thumbnail looks outstanding! Sorry I just couldn't help and point out the obvious props to the artist!

It's interesting to see what could have been, personally I would have liked to have tried out all the scrapped characters.

(6:20) But James Bond isn't a Rare character, just like how Crash and Spyro aren't Sony characters.

@jamesnelson5618

2 жыл бұрын

True but they Are Sony character before there Both 3rd Party.

Geno and Dixie 😭 *cries heart out*

@angry998

2 жыл бұрын

*cries of laughter* 😂😂😂

@TheRealZXXZ

2 жыл бұрын

I only feel for Dixie Thank Goodness Geno didn't get added.

There was so much more to the early games than expected! The Brawl characters especially bring a lot into question...

I would have have loved Dixie Kong and Rex as characters

Ayumi would have been a totally bonkers choice, and if Famicom Detective Club for the Nintendo Switch had been released before the second pass's development, I feel like Ayumi would have 100% been Sakurai's immediate pick for a DLC slot, if only because he just likes the game. Ah well, we'll get 'em in Smashboards.

@rylade475

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s still possible-the remakes were revealed in the same direct that announced Fighter Pass 2 (Japanese September 2019 direct), so the development time would be rather similar to Three Houses and Fighter Pass 1

When smash ultimate came out, I wanted Decidueye to be in the roster rather than Incinaroar. Hearing that it was a scrapped idea makes it hurt more

@angry998

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny cause nobody still likes Incineroar, the owl could have become the new Lucario / Greninja in terms of popularity

@UltimateDragonX9999

2 жыл бұрын

But hey that one kid there is hope now that the new recent fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon Rillaboom from the current generation Galar aka Gen 8. With Rillaboom it could make up after Decidueye didn’t make it to smash ultimate.

@thatonerotom8999

2 жыл бұрын

@@angry998 Barely see them used too

These scrapped characters need to be in Super Smash Brothers Ultimate Deluxe

I genuinely wonder what the roster would look like if James Bond was actually added to Melee

@IcyDiamond

2 жыл бұрын

Smash Ultimate would actually have Goku, Shrek, and Spongebob in it

@supremechaosbeing2696

2 жыл бұрын

Peter Griffin for smash

@IcyDiamond

2 жыл бұрын

@@supremechaosbeing2696 So the best timeline?

@Cinko420

2 жыл бұрын

We’d probably also have Nakajima instead of or along with Joker, who would be universally panned as “another sword fighter” (For those who don’t know, Megami Tensei, which is the main franchise Persona belongs in was originally a video game adaptation of a book called Digital Devil Story. This is not to be confused with Digital Devil Saga, those are very different games with a homage as the title. By the second Megami Tensei game, the franchise basically became its own thing and we got Shin Megami Tensei out of it. The games were huge mostly in Japan like how Hero was more liked there. Also, Megami Tensei is the first ever monster catching franchise, not game. Nethack is technically the first game with it, but that only got remakes and never blossomed into a full on series.)

@LucarioShirona

2 жыл бұрын

I would see the 4th Party reps being those published by Nintendo. Hamtaro and Marvel representation would be most likely compared to other characters who are more seen as memes.

I would have loved to see how vastly different Wario would have been, had he been put in Melee, since WarioWare at the time didn't exist yet. It makes you wonder if they'd have based his moveset off Wario Land, the Mario spinoffs, or both.

At least we'll always have SSF2 for your character needs. And Crusade.

I’d guess if Alph had been an echo fighter it would’ve boiled down to different Pikmin since Pikmin 3 introduced some new ones. So maybe he would’ve had Rock pikmin that hit harder or do more shield damage, and the flying pikmin recovery while Olimar kept Pikmin chain. Just a guess.

Bruh I would have a main if Plusle and Minun were in the game,