This is NOT a substitute for reading the fathers, just an oversimplified summary. Also, if you have the return dislike extension and it shows my videos having tons of dislikes, it's not accurate. My videos nearly all have over 95% likes, and are NOT getting "dislike-bombed"

@Namato360

27 күн бұрын

THERE'S A RETURN DISLIKES EXTENSION?

@jonathankerkstra9152

27 күн бұрын

@@Namato360 Yes. It's very easy to get it.

@Hylian_Herald

27 күн бұрын

​@@Namato360 Only problem is, as he confirmed via screenshots a few times, it doesn't work right.

@ChromiusHorror

27 күн бұрын

@@Namato360 y

@GabrielPereira-hm1cz

27 күн бұрын

"Let us clothe ourselves with concord and humility, ever exercising self-control, standing far off from all whispering and evil-speaking, being justified by our works, and not our words." Clement Chapter 30 No he sounds Catholic. Protestants please read the whole letter, not just Gavin Ourtland's quote mines

The fact that “Santa punched someone in the face” actually historically happened is pretty funny

@KennyBare

24 күн бұрын

Eh, it might not've tbh

@Erich_vonStroheim

24 күн бұрын

​@KennyBare "Bro, that's heresy"

@kintzoetc6203

24 күн бұрын

Well say he did

@alvinkennethmayega1113

23 күн бұрын

He actually did and was detained for a short time because of it

@KennyBare

23 күн бұрын

@@alvinkennethmayega1113 is it in the transcripts of the council?

All my homies affirm the triune God of scripture 🙏

@melodygn

27 күн бұрын

Yes, but remember, this is not a matter of salvation. Let us remember not to "divide" the body of Christ just if some other bros and sis interpret the nature of God differently. I'm sure God won't say to any human being: "Welcome to heav..Oh wait! I see you didn't quite understand My eternal and all mighty nature and spiritual essence that transcends all things! Sorry son..."

@blappappa3836

27 күн бұрын

​@melodygn So who decides what is and what isnt damnable heresy? Do you have to believe that Christ is God to be saved?

@Person29-fz4ql

27 күн бұрын

Are you sure about that? Tertullian believed that there was a time when the Father was alone and that he created the Son, and only then did the Father become a Father. _Because God is in like manner a Father, and He is also a Judge; _*_but He has not always been Father_*_ and Judge, merely on the ground of His having always been God. For _*_He could not have been the Father previous to the Son_*_ , nor a Judge previous to sin. (There was, however, a time when neither sin existed with Him, _*_nor the Son_*_ ); the former of which was to constitute the Lord a Judge, _*_and the latter a Father_*_ . In this way He was not Lord previous to those things of which He was to be the Lord. But He was only to become Lord at some future time: _*_just as He became the Father by the Son_*_ , and a Judge by sin, so also did He become Lord by means of those things which He had made, in order that they might serve Him. - (Against Hermogenes, Chapter 3)_ _Let Hermogenes then confess that _*_the very Wisdom of God is declared to be born and created_*_ , for the special reason that we should not suppose that there is any other being than _*_God alone who is unbegotten and uncreated_*_ . For if that, which from its being inherent in the Lord was of Him and in Him, was yet _*_not without a beginning_*_ - I mean His wisdom, which was then _*_born and created_*_ , when in the thought of God It began to assume motion for the arrangement of His creative works...But if this same _*_Wisdom is the Word of God_*_ , in the capacity of Wisdom, and (as being He) without whom nothing was made, just as also (nothing) was set in order without Wisdom, how can it be that anything, except the Father, should be older, and on this account indeed nobler, than the Son of God, the _*_only-begotten_*_ and _*_first-begotten_*_ Word? Not to say that _*_what is unbegotten is stronger than that which is born, and what is not made more powerful than that which is made. Because that which did not require a Maker to give it existence, will be much more elevated in rank than that which had an author to bring it into being_*_ - (Against Hermogenes, Chapter 18)_

@Person29-fz4ql

27 күн бұрын

Clement of Alexandria believed that Jesus was God's first creation. _They were misled by what is said in the book of Wisdom: "He pervades and passes through all by reason of His purity;" Wisdom __7:24__ since they did not understand that this was said of _*_Wisdom, which was the first of the creation of God._*_ (The Stromata, V, 14)_ _For _*_He was the Wisdom_*_ "in which" the Sovereign God "delighted." (The Stromata, VII, 2)_ _But the nature of the Son, which is _*_nearest to Him who is alone the Almighty One,_*_ is the most perfect, and most holy, and most potent, and most princely, and most kingly, and most beneficent. (The Stromata, VII, 2)_ _And when Paul says, “Put on the new man created according to God” it is as if he said, _*_Believe on him who was “created” by God, “according to God,” that is, the Logos in God_*_ . And “created according to God” can refer to the end of advance which man will reach, as does...he rejected the end for which he was created. And in other passages he speaks still more plainly and distinctly: “Who is an image of the invisible God”; then he goes on, “First-Born of all creation.” For he calls the Logos of the essential Logos “an image of the invisible God,” but “First-Born of all creation.” Having been begotten without passion he became the creator and progenitor of all creation and substance, for by him the Father made all things. (Excerpta ex Theodoto, 19)_ _For we thus understand “I begot thee before the morning star” with reference to the _*_first-created Logos of God_*_ and similarly “thy name is before sun” and moon and before all creation. - (Excerpta ex Theodoto, 20)_

@melodygn

27 күн бұрын

@@blappappa3836 we, as humans, the church, can say something is "damnable heresy", but let me tell you something, I'm sure that lots of "heretics" will be resurrected to everlasting life. Why? Simply because God is not looking for perfect dogma or doctrine, God is looking for followers that learn how to love others (enemies included of course) as Jesus taught; people that learned how to see other people through the eyes of Jesus, that my friend, is better than any creed, better than any doctrine or dogma. And, let me tell you something , some brothers and sisters accept Jesus in their hearts as their Savior, and that leads to a transformation in their lives. I'm also sure that when the moment comes (and I hope it comes soon) He will not tell them: "Welcome son! I see you accepted Me as your substitute atonement, also you accepted my sacrifice in the cro...Oh...wait.... I also see here that you weren't able to understand the mystery that states I was the everlasting God incarnated... Sorry son... Good luck burning in Hell you Heretic!" No... No... Sadly, that's the God of many believers... A God that condemns them, a God that punishes them, a God that rejects them for "not believing" in the "right things". That's certainly NOT my God (#NotMyGod) But who knows! I might be wrong. I'm not dogmatic about it. 😁 God bless you!

You did Chrysostom dirty. Barely a word.

@Phil_Simpson

25 күн бұрын

For real. Are we just gonna ignore that he wrote the Divine Liturgy

@trone3630

24 күн бұрын

I love him. He was called "golden mouth" because of how moving of a speaker he could be. He was born into wealth, so was likely well-educated, then became responsible for what seems to be a wayward congregation. We see that in sermons we have from him, some of which are in the excellent collection called, On Marriage and Family Life.

@chad7070

22 күн бұрын

Bro, it was just a 10 minutes video...

@Air-wr4vv

22 күн бұрын

​@@trone3630 once he decided to become a preacher, he reclused himself for 2 years in a cave and then became a simple folk preacher. People come to him cause he created an amazing atmoshere, and he became a favorite of simple folk For his popularity and a way with words they chose him to be patriarch of Constantinople, but when he came to his office, he started to expose corruption and protect simple folk. He exposed how greedy the queen was and she started to hate him for it. They started to falsely accuse him etc, in the end they rejected him from Constantinople and forced him to walk a loong way with their guards, they deprived him from food and water and he fainted many times in the path. One day they were coming by the Church and he came in, said "Thank you God for everything" and collapsed and died. That's what i remember, read his life if you want to know more

@trone3630

21 күн бұрын

@@Air-wr4vv I hadn't heard that, so thank you for sharing that. It's consistent with what I've read of him, but adds a lot more detail. I'll look for more info about him.

Clement only sounds Protestant if you fundamentally misunderstand the Catholic view of justification

@marvalice3455

26 күн бұрын

Which is extremely common even among Catholics unfortunately

@Hithereitsme32

26 күн бұрын

@@marvalice3455agreed but that’s most teachings I think it’s like over 90% of people that don’t believe in transubstantiation.

@cardboardcapeii4286

26 күн бұрын

Same with Ephesians

@Nrev973

26 күн бұрын

It’s really as easy as doing the Google search to understand what Catholics believe 😥🫨

@clivejungle6999

25 күн бұрын

He doesn't invoke his Pope powers against the Corinthians and doesn't even seem to know he has such authority. He doesn't even mention being THE (Exclusive) Bishop of Rome, he doesn't even seem to know such an office exists.

0:51 Ignatius here is saying that Peter and Paul had more authority than he did, not their writings. This is what is mean by him saying "issue commandments unto you." He isnt referencing their writings, rather their authority as Apostles.

@lain7758

6 күн бұрын

He knows that, he's just being dishonest, like they always are.

@lukejohnson1274

6 күн бұрын

@@lain7758 Who is "they"?

@lain7758

6 күн бұрын

@@lukejohnson1274 Protestants. Dunno if I can say it in one comment, YT's weird lately

You even point people toward good follow up content. Thank you sir!

Thanks for all the great videos Zoomer! I personally love St. John Chrysostom: “Christ conquered the devil with the same weapons the devil used against us: a virgin, a tree, and death. These tokens of our demise have now become the tokens of our victory. Instead of Eve, there is Mary; instead of the tree of knowledge, there is the Cross; and instead of Adam’s death, there is the death of Christ."

@KTheChristianArtist

28 күн бұрын

That's pretty cool. I could've never made that conclusion.

@ericdanielski4802

27 күн бұрын

​@@KTheChristianArtistIt's a very clever conclusion.

@3339ty

27 күн бұрын

I love that, thanks for sharing.

@georgeluke6382

27 күн бұрын

This is glorious. Thanks!

@JB-em9po

27 күн бұрын

How about he conquered with a man - namely, Jesus? I mean ya a virgin was involved but let’s get it straight. Adam’s sin caused the fall and Christs perfection is the new life and restoration to come.

This is so nice. I am looking into Saints because I’m getting baptised in a month, and I prayed to the Lord yesterday to help me find a direction to aim at, and now this pops up. Just, wow. Thank the Lord.

@henrikvalborgland4556

27 күн бұрын

Dont be a calvanist

@derekk2666

27 күн бұрын

@@henrikvalborgland4556😂

@Gabriel-uq6iq

27 күн бұрын

Calvinism = satanism

@Rieend

27 күн бұрын

@@henrikvalborgland4556 I’m not… Catholic here.

@joachim847

27 күн бұрын

@@Rieend Thank God 😅 Congratulations, my man! Any front-runners?

I like you're just embracing "BRO, THAT'S HERESY!!!" at this point

I love the humour you use to accent your well researched summary videos. Thank you.

This is one of your best videos. Great job

@lotuswarshipgaming

18 күн бұрын

agreed!

Thank you for the video Mr Zoomer but is that all you have have go to say about Chrysostom ??

@VincentLusignan

24 күн бұрын

You mean his opinion about the (((juice)))?

Ex Protestant, now CATHOLIC! ❤️‍🔥✝️🇻🇦

@jsharp9735

25 күн бұрын

Why did you join the mystery babylon church ?

@seronymus

24 күн бұрын

Orthodox arc when? ☦️

@hap1678

24 күн бұрын

@@jsharp9735 This idea that the Catholic church is babylon is a novel idea of the 1900s, like Protestantism with it’s innovations

@hap1678

24 күн бұрын

@@seronymus I already looked into it heavily, choosing the Catholic church.

@himeno19

24 күн бұрын

Hi, may I ask which branch of protestanism youre from? Thank you~

This video was extremely helpful to me. Thank you for the overview RZ

Let's quote mine St Clement. Let us clothe ourselves with concord and humility, ever exercising self-control, standing far off from all whispering and evil-speaking, being justified by our works, and not our words.

Why u skipped Origen?.

@neat7568

23 күн бұрын

Because he isn't a Church Father (just like mentioned in the video Tertullian). Part of Origen's believes was heretical, like e.g. whole conception of logikoi.

@ikengaspirit3063

23 күн бұрын

@@neat7568 his heresy meant he wasn't a saint but it didn't mean he wasn't a church father. Not all Church fathers are Saints.

@ironyusa3885

23 күн бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 He is referred to as a "church historian," but his theology was problematic.

@ikengaspirit3063

23 күн бұрын

@@ironyusa3885 The Catholic University of America Press explicitly includes him in their collections on the Church Fathers. And not all the church fathers mentioned here had all their doctrines accepted as Orthodox.

@alexm6715

21 күн бұрын

@@neat7568he was a church father but is not a saint

Hearing reformed theology is like hearing nails on a chalkboard

@heathc148

24 күн бұрын

😂

@AllforOne_OneforAll1689

24 күн бұрын

Yeah the darkness cannot comprehend the light (truth)...

@FisherOfMenParakletos

23 күн бұрын

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 so you're condemning the majority of christians for 2000 years lol wild

@masteryodapresidentofiraq

23 күн бұрын

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 just how protestant heretics can't comprehend tradition

@luke_rs

22 күн бұрын

I know bro. It's just endless fruit checking instead of looking to Christ.

Bruce Gore’s videos on the church fathers are excellent

Excellent video RZ!

Could you please do some other church history ones: 1. Every Reformer explained in 10 minutes. 2. Every Scholastic explained in 10 minutes. 3. Every Puritan explained in 10 minutes. 4. Every Pope explained in 10 minutes. 5. Every Missionary explained in 10 minutes. 6. Every Theologian explained in 10 minutes. 7. Every Church Musician explained in 10 minutes. 8. Every Apologist explained in 10 minutes. 9. Every Martyr explained in 10 minutes. 10. Every Preacher explained in 10 minutes.

@betterhappensdaily

26 күн бұрын

Do “Every Christian in 10 Minutes”

@Noblebird02

26 күн бұрын

I would love to understand the Methodist church in Wales, like why is the Methodist church in Cornwall Arminian but the Methodist church in Wales is Presbyterian

@ProfesserLuigi

25 күн бұрын

Every Martyr sounds like a several hour video to me...

@cameronbailey9704

24 күн бұрын

@@ProfesserLuigi Yeah especially considering around 50 Christians had just been martyred in Lyons when Irenaeus became bishop there. And that's just one occasion.

@baltichammer6162

24 күн бұрын

@@Noblebird02 1. The Methodist congregations have varieties, mostly minor, from place to place. That mostly depends on the pastor from my observation, but that happens in every denomination. Next, Arminius was and will always be Calvinist. Yes, I know its super hip to use Arminius as a pinata by today's so-called "Calvinists" but the truth is Arminius never denounced Calvinism despite what liars today will say. Arminius saw the unbiblical flaws in the works of Jean Cauvin (real name) and attempted to correct them. There are a lot but Arminius exposed the 5 worst. Since Arminius died before the big debate, the anti-biblical faction in Holland declared victory for their side and proceeded to beat and even kill some of Arminius's supporters/followers. Charles and John Wesley could see the unbiblical parts of Cauvin's decrees and stood against them. That's why I've heard Wesleys being mocked and bashed by some high profile "calvinists" in the US. The devil does not like the truth to be broadcast. WHY was Cauvin and his idol Augustine so far away from the Bible and especially the words/commands of Jesus???? I could go on for hours on this but the supersonic version is....Augustine was a believer in the pagan Gnostic sect called Manichean after the false prophet Mani. There were various flavors of Gnosticism that floated around for hundreds of years. They all are anti-God. Augustine "converted" to Christianity and gained an elevated status in "the church". When he got into his rift with Pelagius and was not winning, Augustine started pulling rabbits from his pagan Gnostic Mani hat. That is terrible enough but Augustine was copied by Cauvin who was only a lawyer & humanist and formed his own ultra twisted religion which is actually a mirror image of himself. From the advice I got from Bryan Melvin. when I seriously started down the path back to God, was to stick with tried and trusted reformers like Wesley. No Calvinists. Bryan is someone you need to get to know as no man alive has the extensive insight into hell and heaven. Lots of interviews, lectures and his own channel here...Christian Marauder. For several more hours I can lay out the course for the truth that I prayed for and have been lead to one step at a time by the Holy Spirit which has been perfect beyond words. Looking back over the past 8 years is awesome how and when and to who and to what I needed to know at certain times. Absolute perfection is too puny a description. One thing I realized a few years ago that NONE of the righteous teachers were Calvinists and NONE of the righteous truth even touched Calvinism. Now I figured out why......the Holy Spirit was NOT with Jean Cauvin. He once claimed he felt like the HS was present in his room. What a vague claim to deceive the masses. The main reason Cauvin were able to get so far......nobody was allowed to challenge him without severe danger of torture and death. Yes, he had his own personal torturer whose name I was able to dredge from history. When Calvinists like to get squirrely like they know more than me, I ask them to provide the torturer's name. So far NONE have replied back.

Which if any of these Fathers denied apostolic succession ?

@LuzianJ

14 күн бұрын

None.

@charlesjoyce982

14 күн бұрын

@@LuzianJ right. As far as I can tell, every single one wrote about the importance of maintaining the direct line of succession of ordination from the bishops to the apostles.

St Cyril of Alexandria is my confirmation saint. I loved reading about what he did.

Hey What's the deal with the Minecraft server at the moment, is it possible to get involved? Would love to build a church

As a Catholic, I approve of this.

@mrbradley3309

14 күн бұрын

As a catholic, I dont

@Vatican_Army

14 күн бұрын

@@mrbradley3309 And why is that my dear brother in Christ?

0:08 or priest.

Hello, which books by Polycarp should I read(most important ones)

@CybermanKing

24 күн бұрын

There's really only two and one of them is on his martyrdom. Just read them.

love the video man, I just wanted to know where I can read more about the church fathers, God bless you all✝️🙌🏼

What is your opinion on Mar Mari Emmanuel?

@LucasIvey-pl7lv

25 күн бұрын

@@drjanitor3747 I asked redeemed zoomer not you

@georgefuentes4112

24 күн бұрын

@@drjanitor3747I could tell he is Protestant by his misconception.

The St Nicholas slapping Arius part was so iconic I voiced the lines of both characters while the video was playing

So as an Irenaeus nerd, I always want more... but for what you were trying to do, in the time you were doing it- well done.

Do u have any of their works/translations of their works you’d recommend? Like what’s the easiest reading (just to start me off)? Thanks ❤️

RZ again with the blessed timing - Looking to get deep into theology and doctrine this summer. This came at a perfect time! God bless ❤❤❤❤✝✝

No Papias?

Thus was a great topic, studying the church father's and their era fascinates me

I'm sure there are other Church fathers that aren't mentioned in this list... But, what can I say, what an incredible way of oversimplifying explanations of them... I like the part with Saint Nicholas... "BRO THAT'S HERESY!" 😂

I love how -Ignatius- Irenaeus beat the Gnostics by telling everyone what they were concealing. Also, I think this is another time where history keeps echoing itself, because a modern 'hidden secrets' religion that is very litigious had the same thing happen to them! First in court (where they tried to deny it, then admitted that them trying to enforce a copyright claim meant it was true), then via South Park of all places. (Editing because I got the name wrong. I have the memory of a sieve)

@boivin5163

26 күн бұрын

Scientology?

Athanasius did not suggest the filioque. He's discussing economy of the trinity, not eternal procession.

@workinpromo

22 күн бұрын

That's false. The Athanasian Creed is about eternal processions only so the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son is eternal.

@anon8638

22 күн бұрын

@@workinpromo lmao what? The Athanasian creed wasn't written by Athanasius. It was written a hundred years after him, and never gained popularity until Protestantism came about. Scholars universally agree on this.

@workinpromo

22 күн бұрын

@@anon8638 Never gained popularity ? Is that supposed to be an argument ? It was accepted by the West before the Great Schism and used by Western Christians. That Athanasius didn't write it doesn't take away from the fact his name is attached to a filioque creed accepted by the West. This is sufficient to prove the filioque position has traditionally beend recognized in Athanasius.

@anon8638

22 күн бұрын

@@workinpromo a creed that Athanasius didn't write is sufficient to prove Athanasius supported the filioque? That's complete nonsense. If it's so clear he believed the filioque then get an actual quote from him not a third party creed.

@workinpromo

22 күн бұрын

@@anon8638 No you don't understand the logic or you don't want to idk. If the Creed in question bears his name it means it reflected his theology for the West, which means the first millenium Church understood Athanasius as filioquist. There is no getting around that. And that right there is enough to end the debate.

Are there any good books on the subject of early church fathers I can read, this seems very interesting

Thanks a lot 👏

"Bro, that's heresy!" Said santa Claus. 😂😂

@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh

26 күн бұрын

Wild when I found out that actually happened 😂

3:05 I would like an entire video explaining gnostic lore please. I am now interested

@benrex7775

26 күн бұрын

The channel "Ancient Egypt and the Bible" has a few videos called "Gnosticism Explained". Perhaps you could go there until Redeemed Zoomer makes a Video on it.

@hermit2639

26 күн бұрын

To know why they're wrong, right?... ..Right? 😅

@WarriorcatGerda

26 күн бұрын

@@hermit2639 yes

@BenjaminAnderson21

26 күн бұрын

Just read Against Heresies.

@darrenstout3870

26 күн бұрын

That’s secret knowledge, sorry.

Is there a definitive book on the early church fathers? I always find different books at half price that don’t quench my thirst (for knowledge)

Clement sounds like a Catholic when he talks about justification as well. He just doesn't sound like what many Protestants, especially evangelicals, too often say Catholics sound like.

@yagocarvalho6546

5 күн бұрын

maybe because protestantism is from the 16 century lol

What about St John of Damascus who condemned iconoclasm?

@michaelg4919

26 күн бұрын

He also didn't mention Cyril of Jerusalem... (maybe the video would have been too long)

@redeemedzoomer6053

26 күн бұрын

He was later

@regost5634

26 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 What ?

Please do also a video on which works of the fathers you would recommend reading (first)?

Could you do the same with the reformers?

Are the church fathers catholic?

@ArthurGSiqueira

20 күн бұрын

Yep

@ElijahDawkins-yb1uc

16 күн бұрын

They came significantly before the Roman Catholic Church, so no.

@chi2nt

12 күн бұрын

@@ElijahDawkins-yb1uc whats the difference?

@yagocarvalho6546

5 күн бұрын

@@ElijahDawkins-yb1uc literally the same thing. Using the schism to make it different is just being dumb and showing off your ignorance on both roman and orthodox history. And dont even come with that bs of constantine, i already had enough

@yagocarvalho6546

5 күн бұрын

@@chi2nt non, the guy is protestant, he will try to say the catholic church was born later because they dont like to admitt they are the only new guys in the hood you know? From the 16 century lol

Jerome also changed his view on the Deuterocanonical’s.

@michaelg4919

24 күн бұрын

no he didn't. You believe in the canon of Augustine, but I hold to Athanasius who also held the view of Jerome (read his easter letter). Cyril of Jerusalem did also hold that view and Melito of Sardis went back to Israel to learn about the canon and came to the same conclusion. God bless you and may God keep your faith strong !

@losingonlotto3449

24 күн бұрын

@@michaelg4919 All the early Protestant leaders (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, even the Anglicans) claimed that Saint Jerome rejected the deuterocanonical books of the Bible that Catholics include. This is a bold claim because it sets Saint Jerome, a preeminent saint and doctor of the Catholic Church, against the Catholic Church. So is it true? Certainly, no one can deny that Saint Jerome may have had early reservations about the canonical books of Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and 1&2 Maccabees (and those portions of Daniel and Esther). However, by AD 382, we see a reversal in St Jerome’s sentiments. The reason for this is that in AD 382, Pope Damasus and the Council of Rome canonized these books as inerrant and inspired by the Holy Spirit. So then, after this date, Saint Jerome, as a faithful son of the Catholic Church, submitted to the papal decree. The same is true of Blessed John Henry Newman who personally disagreed with a quick decree on papal infallibility, but certainly obeyed it as soon as it was issued. Here’s proof that Saint Jerome submitted to the decree of Rome of Pope St Damasus. The following quote is taken from a letter written by Saint Jerome in A.D. 404. Does not the Scripture say: ‘Burden not thyself above thy power’? - Jerome, To Eustochium, Epistle 108 (Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2, VI:207) Here Saint Jerome quotes Sirach 13:2 (‘Burden not thyself above thy power’) as “Scripture”. In Saint Jerome’s prologue on the book of Judith, he recongizes that the First Council of Nicea (AD 325 - the council defended the Trinity and deity of Christ against Arians) recognized the book of Judith as “canonical”. Furthermore, Jerome in the year A.D. 402 defended the deuteroncanoical additions to the book of Daniel: What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the Story of Susanna, the Song of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us. (Against Rufinus, 11:33 [AD 402]). I rest may case. It seems clear that Saint Jerome did at one time reject the deuterocanonicals, but by A.D. 402-404 he had become a defender of them. Saint Jerome was not a dissenter.

@dominikdurkovsky8318

16 күн бұрын

​@@michaelg4919 yeah ok, but still the Septuagint is historically more accurate. The earliest Christians and Jews used the Septuagint as it is the most quoted translation in the New testament. It doesn't matter if a saint in 4th century used a different text when the apostles used the Septuagint.

Santa Clause speed running to sock some heretic in the mouth with a righteous overhand right is actually hilarious

Polycarp was my favorite Gen 2 release, his water-type moveset was game breaking for the era.

The best short scholarly work on the early history of the Church is the volume in the Penguin series by Henry Chadwick, called The Early Church. An accessible work by an outstanding academic.

@crazycoolkids00

26 күн бұрын

I need to pick this up. Chadwick is superb.

why didnt you talk about origen he is much more than just a bullet point in the list of the alexandrian fathers

Great one...

Next time I wish you'll do a video about every apostole explained

I've been reading Athanasius' On The Incarnation. It's a great book which makes sense of how bad sin is and why Christ Jesus must have a divine nature.

I've been so confused lately. I've been researching a ton into Christianity and church history, trying to figure out the truth for myself. It's all extremely complicated and not everyone seems to agree on everything, even in the early church fathers it seems. I definitely believe in the Bible and am Christian but regarding the details denominationally and doctrinally speaking, I just don't know what to believe anymore. *Existential crisis creeps in*

@michaelg4919

26 күн бұрын

the word ecumenical refers to the whole church. So the 4 ecumenical councils represent the whole church, so you can trust in their teaching (after that, the Oriental Orthodox split despite initially accepting the council). This comes from a baptist btw

@nobyra

26 күн бұрын

In the end of the day, trust in Jesus. Men can make mistakes. The church fathers did great things but even them needed Jesus. We are all servants no matter what our prideful nature wants us to believe.

@coolkangaroo5179

26 күн бұрын

Become Lutheran

@glassman7961

26 күн бұрын

The problem seems to be the rejection of the Church as the pillar of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) that is built on Peter (Matthew 16:18) which is promised to be guided by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13). We're not asked to "figure out the truth for ourselves", but the opposite, that is, for *not* to lean on our understanding (Proverbs 3:5). Like Cyprian of Carthage said: "If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (A.D. 251)

@connerwilliams5870

26 күн бұрын

​@@nobyrabased and Christ-pilled.

Any suggested reading on the history of the Church Fathers?

@joshuajohansen1210

26 күн бұрын

2,000 Years of Christ Power vol. 1

@bradburrick

26 күн бұрын

@@joshuajohansen1210 Thank you!

@FisherOfMenParakletos

23 күн бұрын

read the actual epistles that they wrote, not someone else cherry picking verses. Start with Ignatius and Polycarp, the two disciples of John the Apostle.

Hi Zoomer, any opinions on bible study? Like when people highlight words etc. make intensive notes of the bible.

@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx

22 күн бұрын

Yes, people who make notes/highlight, and write in their Bibles are not Christians.

@saucesecured7806

20 күн бұрын

@@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx huh

@gabrielgabriel5177

13 күн бұрын

​@@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx😂😂😂 you must be kidding 😂😂😂😂

@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx

10 күн бұрын

@@gabrielgabriel5177 ,...What is written in the Bible are the words of God. Those who deface the words of God with their underlines, highlights, notes, etc. are an abomination. I have been studying the Bible for over 40 years and have never ever made a single mark in/on Gods word. Those that deface Gods word do so because they remain spiritually dead and blind and have no Biblical understanding. Those few who Jesus came to make spiritually alive will never deface Gods word with their markings and they do not need to as they understand the words in the Bible. The truth is, there are NO Christians in the church, only the spiritually dead, blind, lost, and the totally deceived. These are those who deface the words of God.

@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx

10 күн бұрын

@@saucesecured7806 ,...Get away from the 100% apostate church and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.

This is why it’s so important for there to be a final infallible decision made on doctrine, because even the early Christian leaders had their differing beliefs and interpretations. Every one of those heresies can find scripture verses to support their beliefs. Ecumenical councils are necessary. Whether there is two or three levels of authority doesn’t matter as much because every bishop is a priest (elder). Priests are local while bishops oversee a larger region. Its more important to understand that it is biblical that there ARE different levels of authority. Deacons don’t have the authority of priests/bishops. And laypeople don’t have any authority to interpret scripture on their own. The Holy Spirit is of course, always with you guiding you morally, but the Holy Spirit works through the structure of the church to prevent doctrinal error. I love that one of the first things this video said is talk to your pastor.

@jsharp9735

25 күн бұрын

This is a great way to convince Christians not to read their Bible. We do have authority to read it and know what it says. Which is how you can know when your "authorities" are in error.

@runictellings1536

24 күн бұрын

@@jsharp9735 Amen to that brother

@thomasmalacky7864

24 күн бұрын

​@@jsharp9735 Who compiled that bible for you, Prodestant filth?

@daniellenm395

24 күн бұрын

@@jsharp9735 i read my bible all the time, i just don’t assume that i am interpreting it without error. I defer to the church which WAS given a means to interpret without error. I’m not saying the bible can’t guide you morally, but as laypeople we don’t have the authority to decide doctrine for ourselves. The people who read scripture and decide for themselves what we should and shouldn’t believe about Jesus and Christianity are called heretics. You also forget that for 1500 years or so, no one read their own bible and for some reason, the faith survived. It wasn’t a hinderance to only hear scripture read in mass followed by an explanation from a priest.

@jsharp9735

23 күн бұрын

@@daniellenm395 Then you're already in error because the church is in error and that is why Roman dogmas are heretical. Who say's anything about deciding doctrine, its merely understanding the objective context of the Bible. That happens by reading it often and a meaningful amount of time each day if you can. You're just repeating boiler plat narratives. Plenty of the early church fathers had the same opinions as the reformers. There is a reason why Rome doesn't want you to "interpret" and come to them. Its so you don't know any better.

Tertullian is not a Church Father

@joshuajohansen1210

26 күн бұрын

He is great

@alexm6715

21 күн бұрын

He is

@winterland3253

17 күн бұрын

He's a church father, but not a saint

@gabrielgabriel5177

13 күн бұрын

He is not saint according to some men. But maybe he is saint according to God. Ortohodox and catholic only seeks the glory of men

@alexm6715

13 күн бұрын

@@gabrielgabriel5177 nonsense response

Bro really tried to say the 3 fold ministry was a development

Bruce Gore is epic

St. Clement of Rome, one of the most based popes in history. Was martyred by being chained to an anchor and thrown into the sea. Now he sits in the Presence of the Lord.

@joshuajohansen1210

27 күн бұрын

He probably didn't die that way.

@TheNewCrusade

27 күн бұрын

@@joshuajohansen1210 Shut up Heretic!

@TheNewCrusade

27 күн бұрын

@@joshuajohansen1210 He did Bro

@joshuajohansen1210

27 күн бұрын

@@TheNewCrusade Its a fun story, but it is a later legend (at least 300 years after Clement). None of the earliest sources that talk about Clement mention his martyrdom.

@unknown36187

27 күн бұрын

Universalism?

1:40 I have a question here. You say that Clement is an early example of the supremacy of the Roman church. I want to have clarification on your statement. I'm of the opinion that the different churches are of equal importance and should hold each other accountable. And if you have a competed scholar in one church his view holds more weight, for the fact that he is competent, not because he is member of that specific church. When I hear that Clement calls out another church, then I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that the church he belongs to holds a special authority above everybody else. I'm aware that the Roman Catholics use this situation as a justification for their claim for supremacy, but historically speaking, is that actually justified? Was that calling out done in a way of "Stop doing it, because I say so and I have higher authority."? Was there other calling out being done from one church to another or was it always from Rome towards others? How much of that Roman supremacy, if there was any, was for the reason that Rome was a city with a supremacy complex due to the political and historical power and how much was because the church is actually superior?

@strawberry4988

26 күн бұрын

Becuse rome hold power? Rome had power and when it converted it followed the truth.

@joshuajohansen1210

26 күн бұрын

If Rome supposedly had primacy all the way back in 1 Clement, why didn't Ignatius acknowledge it in his letter to Rome decades later?

@benrex7775

26 күн бұрын

@@strawberry4988 I don't care about statements like "x followed truth". I asked specific questions to avoid responses like this.

How do we have access to these writings? What’s are earliest MSS?

@Quisl

26 күн бұрын

Universities, Monasteries, Congregations and Museums preserved and copied them over the millenia. Just like the Biblical texts

@joshuajohansen1210

26 күн бұрын

Depends on what father we are talking about.

@dalivincibey8817

26 күн бұрын

Thanks to Eusebius, we can verify which epistles are canonical, as he is a very early source that talked a lot about the early Church history.

the Santa Claus part is pretty epic.

Just go to Jay Dyer instead

@dman7668

26 күн бұрын

Dyer needs a diaper change.

@jsharp9735

25 күн бұрын

RCC lite and a constant frown.

Bruh, the desperation to make the Early Church Fathers sound Protestant is only going to make more people become Catholic. Thank you for your work, RZ. Keep making more content like this

@fab7an758

26 күн бұрын

Yeah… they are all the same… just like the EO and RCC claim…. They actually held to all Catholic dogma. All iconophiles, all believed in a 3 tiers church government, all believed Mary was immaculately conceived… This video affirmed to me that everything I just said is the truth and now I will convert for sure (contains heavy degrees of irony).

@LuzianJ

14 күн бұрын

​@@fab7an758They all believed in Apostolic Succession and all of them rested the final authority with the Church not themselves. They acknowledged their opinions were subordinate to the Church.

Justin the Martyr also believed in the Real Presence of Jesus as the Eucharist, Apology #1

Do presbyterians not have strong beliefs in predestination? I want to debate

@seronymus

24 күн бұрын

I recommend the channel Patristic Nectar :^)

@sledger1594

24 күн бұрын

we do

@thugging4life

24 күн бұрын

@@sledger1594 why would god put us on earth if some were presdestined to go to hell, makes no sense

Even tho I don't really like the protestant reforms,I still like your videos and I think they're very useful for new christians

How can you read the Fathers and stay protestant?

@sopadeeletras

21 күн бұрын

If you dislike yourself very much, yes

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

Because we Protestants translated and distributed the Church Fathers writings, you Orthobros are terrible at promoting and translating ancient resources

@LuzianJ

14 күн бұрын

By ignoring the fact that they all taught Apostolic Succession.

@yagocarvalho6546

5 күн бұрын

That should be a new mystery for the church lol I cant figure out neither

don’t have a pastor unfortunately as I’m not sure if I should start going to church as I’m in England and I think we all know what the modern Anglican Church is like, I feel pretty lost right now, I haven’t been baptised/Christened as I wasn’t raised a Christian, I haven’t read the Bible yet and I don’t go to church as I’m not sure if I should as they may be one of the liberal ones, I’m not really sure what to do as I’ve just began to turn to Jesus Christ and God has been answering my prayers recently but I would just like some advice, thank you.

@ToYouFilthyDreamers-eu1xx

22 күн бұрын

Whatever you do, do not ever go into a church, any church. The "church" is all 100% apostate. Read the Bible yourself only and do not ever listen to anyone from any church. If anyone is preaching from anything called the/a church, they are preaching falsely.

@BlessyThomas-ip7sv

10 күн бұрын

See his video on map of churches which are Theological sound Or try to meet christian in online communities Then switch to offline church God will give the grace to help you find a good church

@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436

9 күн бұрын

@@BlessyThomas-ip7sv ,...The fact is, there is no church that is theologically sound. There are only fake christians that think there is. Repent, and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.

Finally Polycarp appreciation

Could you do a video like this one continuing with the Scholastics, Reformers and later Theologians? Thank you

Good on ya for admitting that the real presence in Eucharist, three-tiered clergy, and Roman supremacy were present from the earliest Fathers. I was raised Protestant and had assumed those kinds of things were later corruptions.

@Nonz.M

25 күн бұрын

*Roman primacy

@Nonz.M

24 күн бұрын

Also, although St. Ignatius speaks of 3 distinct offices, it's important to note that his view of bishops is not that they are overseers of all churches in a region. That develops later on. The role of bishops in Ignatius' view is that they are the senior pastor/presbyter/priest of a congregation, much in the way that St. Jerome describes it. "Wherever the bishop appears, there let the congregation be; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." (Letter to the Ephesians) Note the singular in congregation. "It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God." (Letter to the Smyrnaeans) Churches celebrated the Eucharist every Sunday and it would be impossible for a person to visit every church in his area every Sunday for the Eucharist and also administer every baptism in the area, especially considering that baptisms can often be unplanned and communication was not easy and very delayed.

@DavidLarson100

24 күн бұрын

@@Nonz.M Sure, I'm not one of those Catholics that think all these ideas were completely solidified in the early church. I think Christ told the Apostles to start a church, and then it took them a while to figure things out, like role of clergy, the Trinity, defining Christ's humanity and divinity, writing the New Testament, etc. Didn't happen over night.

@FishermensCorner

24 күн бұрын

​@@DavidLarson100 real presence is a heresy created to fight heresy. Many such cases

@DavidLarson100

24 күн бұрын

The real presence is a heresy… according to you and the rest of Pastor Jim’s Bible Fellowship and Tire Center in the strip mall off I-86? Fine. But nobody of consequence or authority thought that until maybe the 17th century, so maybe your power to declare things heresy doesn’t have the weight you assume.

@redeemedzoomer Do you have a video that hash out your version of what the Christian church/churches is? I watched some of your videos and im kinda confused on how you define church. As a Roman Catholic, I believe in the visible (and spiritual), hierarchical structure of Catholic Church. I believe that this visible church was established by Christ Jesus and so on and on. What is your church? Is it visible and or invisible? Were the church fathers protestants/Catholic/ Presbyterian to you? You made a video on non demonimal chruches and you said those chruches shouldn't exist but as i can see it, non dom churches is the logical conclusion to sola scriptura and the protestant reformation. In fact, i see each protestant as a church of 1 because with sola scriptura, each protestant gets to interpret the meaning of the biblical texts by themselves. Why are you ok with baptist churches, lutheran churches and Presbyterian churches,... But not nondom? What is your ecclesiology? Cause you are obviously not Catholic, but you also holding on to some history like the church fathers. ??? And somehow you get to pick and choose the church fathers and the theologies that you like to keep that fit with your calvism. Im just confused on how you see the Christian church. Finally, do you think that a Christian like you is what Christ Jesus want for all Christians to operate as? Thank you Totus tuus

@khoalam888

25 күн бұрын

@redeemedzoomer Did Christ want to establish universal calvinist Presbyterian Church but the apostles just failed at this?

What is wrong with people disliking such a great video?

@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136

26 күн бұрын

Read the pinned comment

@ronnykazadi352

24 күн бұрын

@@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136 thank you

Random fact: 6:08 top right corner theres his computer/laptop mouse popping up

@benrex7775

26 күн бұрын

I thought you meant an animal mouse, not a computer mouse.

@menard_2011

26 күн бұрын

@@benrex7775 lmfao sorryyy

@benrex7775

26 күн бұрын

@@menard_2011 No worry.

God first ☦️

Do a video on the Church Mothers!! So many amazing women who are forgotten by history! Like St Macrina, older sister to st basil & gregory. Or St Paula who encouraged st Jerome to translate the Bible. Even jerome sings highly of her!!

John Damascene and Maximus the Confessor would like a word.

RedeemedZoomer, I love you content as a Catholic, but this video makes me lose faith in you slightly, all of the church fathers quotes you used to defend Protestant beliefs are purposefully taken out of context and it’s clear what they actually mean. Could you please make another video or comment on this comment detailing why you believe many of the church fathers held some Protestant beliefs, thank you

@redeemedzoomer6053

26 күн бұрын

Sure! I think both Catholic and Protestant beliefs existed in seed form in the fathers but not fully developed

@Ginger_Guy

26 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 one instance of you taking the quotes of the church fathers out of context is with Ignatius of Antioch and him saying that the commandments of Peter and Paul (who are his elders) are above his authority, but you put on the screen “the writings of the apostles (the gospel)>his own authority” Ignatius didn’t say their writings but their commandments, this doesn’t say that church authority is less important than the Bible, but details the hierarchy of the church. The apostles would be similar to cardinals and pope commanding a bishop.

Clement understanding of justification is exactly like the modern day Catholic understanding of justification. You are justified through faith alone.

@melodygn

26 күн бұрын

Faith in what exactly?

@TCZ17090

26 күн бұрын

Saved by grace, in by faith, stay by works

@melodygn

26 күн бұрын

@@TCZ17090 do we need works in order to "stay" saved?

@bikesrcool_1958

24 күн бұрын

Does Jesus not say to keep his commandments?

Matthew 15: 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

All the differences of thoughts, even within orthodoxy, makes me think of Mark 9:40 “for whoever is not against us is for us.”

Early apostolic fathers sound mostly protestant 😊😊😊

@johnnymartinez7717

15 күн бұрын

Yeah but they aren’t…

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

@@johnnymartinez7717They weren’t Papists either

@josmith5419

15 күн бұрын

They were Catholics and it’s easy to see the more you read their works.

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

@@josmith5419 They were lower case “c” catholics and it’s easy to see why Rome never liked publishing their writings in vernacular tongue. They don’t even want to publish the Greek and Latin versions but Hey leave it to the Reformed to publish them.

@LuzianJ

14 күн бұрын

If you want you can make them sound Muslim. In reality, they were farthest from being protestant because they taught Apostolic Succession. They themselves in their writings acknowledge conflict of opinions but they rested the final authority with the Church not themselves. Their writings are subordinate to the Church and they themselves acknowledge this. Protestants are entirely missing the point of Church Fathers by quote-mining their writings.

This video releasing on the same day as I’m getting city of God by saint Augustine is a genuine blessing

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

27 күн бұрын

Awesome

There are a lot of typos in this video. Will you release a corrected version?

Is Clement’s letter an example of the supremacy of the Roman church? Or is it an example of the shared authority among all presbyters in the early church, similar to that of Peter in 1 Pet. 5:1

@dman7668

26 күн бұрын

I would say as a Catholic his letter demonstrates Papal authority.

@joshuajohansen1210

26 күн бұрын

It looks like a plurality of elders in Rome to me. Roman primacy comes way later in church history.

Awesome video! I find a lot of videos on the church fathers are catholic/eastern-orthodox centred, with an saturation of videos on certain church fathers over others. This felt like a great neutral/more general video on them which also lowkey taught me that some protestant beliefs are in fact traceable to before the Reformation (since it is often portrayed nowadays that protestant beliefs spawned out of thin air).

@lilyw.719

26 күн бұрын

Very few Protestant beliefs are traceable to before the Reformation, and they were ALL QUICKLY REJECTED within the first few centuries of the Church. They were thrown out as heresy. The Church Fathers, btw, are the fathers of the one true Church, the Catholic Church. That is the "Church" that they are referred to as the fathers of. The father St. Irenaeus, who was a disciple of St. John the Evangelist and St. Peter, even made the earliest reference to the "Catholic" Church in the year 107 AD. He said that everyone who was outside of the Catholic Church and deviated from its beliefs was a heretic. Irenaeus really hated heretics.

I lost it when you mentioned how Polycarp pointed at the Romans and said, “down with the atheists.” Gotta love the sas 🤣 Also, “bro that’s heresy!” Just found your channel and I love the way you talk about these things!

Not hating but I think you pov of the church fathers are a bit biased by your Presbyterian faith (no offences)

Where can we read their works?

@YourBoyJohnny94

15 күн бұрын

Right? The Papists and Orthobros always say “read the church fathers” yet they don’t even publish their works, Protestants published and translated their works. Check out the Hendrickson set of Ante Nice,Nicene,and Post Nice Fathers.

@LuzianJ

14 күн бұрын

​@@YourBoyJohnny94lol.

I wait to see Zoomers opinion on Origen

@redeemedzoomer6053

28 күн бұрын

I like Origen in some ways but I avoided talking about him in this video except for a brief reference

@ammsgod1764

28 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 ouch. He is early third century biggest theologian. Although I do see where you’re coming from considering what happened at the second Constantinople.

@user-xh6mx8kq5l

27 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053he’s the founder of Christian philosophy he’s pretty important

@uganda_mn397

27 күн бұрын

wasn't he a universalist from the liberal school ( alexandria) ? i though zoomer is making a reconquista against this kind of theology. It shows we put too much emphasis on the church 'fathers'

@user-xh6mx8kq5l

27 күн бұрын

@@uganda_mn397 he was not a liberal lol

Former protestant here, the church fathers were huge in my conversion. St augustine is my confirmation saint. Here’s a based quote from him: For in the Catholic Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a few spiritual men attain in this life, so as to know it, in the scantiest measure, indeed, because they are but men, still without any uncertainty (since the rest of the multitude derive their entire security not from acuteness of intellect, but from simplicity of faith,)- not to speak of this wisdom, which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should, though from the slowness of our understanding, or the small attainment of our life, the truth may not yet fully disclose itself. But with you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me, the promise of truth is the only thing that comes into play. Now if the truth is so clearly proved as to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things that keep me in the Catholic Church; but if there is only a promise without any fulfillment, no one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion.

Which Gregory of Palamas was here since Augustine was here but great video anyways

Gregory Nazianzen singlehandedly solved the paedo/credobaptism debate through the oikonomia of "delaying baptism until the infants are 3 y.o. and are capable of giving answers about the sacrament".

Augustine did not defeat Pelagius, he defeated Pelagianism (of which Augustine made up himself). Pelagius was actually not a Pelagian as there are 14 parts of Pelagianism and Pelagius only believed in one of those

@michaelg4919

24 күн бұрын

That's like saying Nestorius wasn't Nestorian.