02:29 Damn! Whoopin' out some GIANT "I'll see you in my Dreams". 🤘

I remember being a kid and seeing pics of the Η3000 Eventide in guitar magazines and dreaming to have one. I would say it is still unmatched!

@geezberry8889

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely. when vai, satriani were using those i was drooling. In those days you literally needed to be rich to afford one

@Havanacuba1985

6 ай бұрын

@@geezberry8889 I could barely afford a Boss pedal . I’ve got the H3000 Factory plugin now and the tricerachorus Got them in a sale for literally a steal & the presets are awesome

I think a big reason a lot of the older processors sound much better is, in those days DSP was limited, so they routed all the dry signal through analog paths instead of today most processors digitize everything including the dry signal, and it is definitely noticeable especially with high gain. Today it actually costs more to have a pure analog dry path because most companies simply digital everything through the processor.

@0megalul309

2 жыл бұрын

good point

@drkam6

2 жыл бұрын

A very important point indeed. This is why the dry signal through many of today's digital effect processors gets impoverished, pushed into artificial resonance.

@realtruenorth

Жыл бұрын

The old units converted to digital. But I think quality for dollar was better back then. Thanks to steady inflation. Our dollars is worth less and less. 1000 dollars today was like 200 back then. So if you spend 3 thousand back then. It would be closer to spending 10k today.

@fabiol.9161

2 ай бұрын

Great point.. Do you know if the tc g force can be considered like the others with sort of analog dry path?

So glad you played some Amsterdam! That is my favorite tone of all time!

The 3000 is still the best. The others are good too, but still don't beat the original. Thanks for sharing!

Great playing and your tones are incredible! Thank you for the video - I am a fan!!

In short: The H9 is close enough for me not to justify the extra 2k for the H3000

@jimspectre

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodneyarcher4690 hack confirmed HL3

@amonster8mymother

2 жыл бұрын

Yea me too.

@Yourbrotherfranio

Жыл бұрын

Today H9 max is unbeatable.. But if u are working in a +4db professional audio standard, that means u most often use hard wired to patch bay and/or balanced XLR type connection which can run +4db the unbalanced 1/4 connectors on all guitar 1/4 devices is -10 db..so yes H9 sounds very close and u can adjust higher than +4. However, some studios need the 3000 for the +4 connection which matches all their other +4 machines. It's about signal to noise ratio

On Amsterdam the eclipse sounded like chorus. Maybe other commenters have already pointed this out, but there is an H9 app to connect via Bluetooth. Love what you do sir. Excellent work!

H3000 for the win...Key factor...Note separation!!...less intrusive with the dry signal...it lives in a different dimension!...Beautiful!

As always, awesome video man! Love that Space Blackhole tone! So deep and lush.

Great comparison and killer video as always! You truly know your stuff brother!

Opens with Dann Huff - nice choice brother. That album and the tones, awesome

Nice playing! Cool comparison. Been loving these rack videos you and LT have been doing.

Have had the H9 for many years. I’ll agree that it’s a pain in the ass to setup a sound but once you get there you’re set! Great comparison Michael!

Excellent video! This was exactly the comparison I have been waiting for. For Eventide's next successor to the H9, I would like to see a more fully featured user interface. I agree having to break out the Ipad can get a little clunky when you just want to tweak something on the fly.

Michael, This video is incredible. I have an H90 on order but was thinking of going for a H800 , Orville or similar. Reminder that ease of use and practicality are crucial when things are close.

The Eclipse at 3:44 sounds great too. Always had one in mind after I sold a H-3000 SE years ago which I regret to this day. BTW, Always love your videos, sound & playing is Spot On.

Thanks for this video. I am a newly converted Eventide fan. I bought a H9 Max around Christmas. I got the plugins for free with it and that's a lot of fun to play around in the DAW. The H9 did a lot of great things: It filled the Blackhole shaped hole in my rig and gave me a lot of strange sounds for all kinds of purposes. Right now I am building a drawer with my essentials (Boss DD-500, Torpedo CAB, NUX Monterey Vibe - cheap but sounds awesome to me - and of course the H9) which gives me all the things I need to jam and fool around with my guitar sounds, including acoustic guitars.

The H3000 has an analog crunchyness to it that‘s really cool and that the H9 has not. The algorithms may be comparable, but the H3000 totally has it‘s place.

Great demo Michael! Got all units in the video and H3000 still sounds the best to me. Not to say other unit is bad, but just different.

You kill me with Eventide goodness man!!

Hi there!! Firts I really love the tones you achieve man, and of course the way you play. About the devices, H9 is amazing for the price but I don´t know why the 3000 has something better to my wooden ears that beats the others. Fantastic video as always

Finally someone , match the classic h3000 with the H9’series , thanks Michael . Both Eventide rock but now we can get , eventide power in the pocket with the H9

Nice comparison! Have considered the H9 (and now the H90) but I still have an H3000/SE that I bought back when it was released so it's fine for me in the studio. I can augment that with a few pedals if I need or a couple of other rack-mounts (Roland Dimension D / Bricasti Reverb / Lexicons etc.) . . . that said the H9/ H90 seem to be getting great reviews all over the place - I liked the clarity and slight edge it had in presence on a couple of your setting and would certainly consider for live use! 😀

Great content as always, thanks 😊 👍🏻

Great Video. Thanks for posting

The H9 blows me away and I love being able to tweak patches with a mobile device, iPad or PC and GUI. In fact as you mentioned, just a little tweak of some parameter and you can get the H9 to sound anyway you want. I’m a electronics engineer and the one thing I hated about all rack MultiFX units was the mounds of menus to sort through. Sometimes just to make the simplest changes. I love my H9 Max. I’ll admit a second one would be perfect and make it the biggest bang for the buck of the 21st century so far. P.S. I’ll point out that I’m not innocent of the older gear love. I have a real hardware maxed out with memory TC Electronics 2290 Delay that I will never part with. Edit: One other thing I see some people forgetting is the H9 is made for guitar and is amazing plugged directly into it and into an amp and/or FX loop. The impedance matching is perfect. I haven’t ever tried it in the loop of a DAW or mixing console. Something tells me there would be some differences between the rack stuff especially the H3000 and the H9 and maybe not actually get an “apples to apples” comparison. Just a thought.

Very interesting comparison! Thanks a lot. To my ears the H3000 sounds so much better (much more than I expected). Funnily I prefer the H9 to the eclipse. Next surprise... 👍

It's odd, I prefer the H9 to my ears it just sounded really clear. Perhaps an eclipse should be in my future but, happy with my H9 for now.

Great Episode. Well. Guess you just pushed the price of the H3000 through the roof. Outstanding playing and sounding. H9 is really cool and the eclipse falls behind in my opinion. Your playing is so tight. Love it Brother

Awesome video. I have 2 H9‘s and I like that I could add additional CORE units if I choose to, since one is MAXed. These are idea generators, it’s hard not to write a new riff as you scroll through presets. Sometimes it feels like eventides official demos are not musical or that they are just repackaging their work from decades ago, but I love how they packaged this. If you want another algorithm bust out a 20, if you don’t want to buy it, then just don’t buy it! Well played marketing to repackage their preexisting offerings.

I owned a DSP4000b+ which I found super complex. During lockdowns I bought 2 H9s both are Max because one was, plus a time factor. The ipad interface hooked up by bluetooth and USB (to timefactor) is what actually makes them great!. So easy to keep an iPad nearby on the desk or on a stand nearby. Can't beat that for instant tweaks seriously :).

I have the h3000dsx and I love it .from your video clip here ,I really like the eclipse .

The H9 sounds more "new" or fresh while the H3000 sounds more "old" or used, if that makes sense.

Thanks for this!

I had an H3000 back in 2000-01. I had an H9 Max in 2016-17. The same 3 patches I used in the H3000 (EVH pitch/chorus, Trevor Rabin/Steve Vai 5th harmonizer and Andy Summers chorus) I could get in the H9 Max with less trouble and more portability. I don’t have either anymore but I would get another H9 Max before I’d get an H3000 due to ease of use and portability. The H3000 was definitely a head-turner, though.

I love the H9, favorite pedal

Killing it with that Amsterdam riff!

It's crazy how good the H9 sounds. I feel like I'm underusing it. I definitely need to start trying out that micropitch delay. Pete Thorn and Tim Peirce interviewed a guy on their old guitar show years ago. He showed off the micropitch as a longer delay, and that sound always blew me away. I haven't been able to replicate it though.

@donlucas3984

2 жыл бұрын

Michael Thompson?

H9 app for the Mac works great to edit presets on the H9. Works better then the app imo. Great vid!

For Amsterdam, the eclipse sounded like it had a little bit more slap back delay in the setting. I’m sure it’s the same settings just seemed pre delay was set higher.

Thanks for the vid. Approves to me that the H0 will do best in reheasal / gigs / or garage studios. Which is great :D

I loves me some H3000... and some Eclipse....and the h9. Yep I dig all 3, for different applications, and situations. Really I just dig the company’s algorithms.

@BigHairyGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

Bingo!!!

Don't sleep on the 'PitchFactor' pedal either...I love mine for that stereo pitch detune thing. Know what else does that really well too?... the Keeley 30ms pedal. Hey Michael, what year is your gold es335? I really like that guitar!

Great comparison! If a friend had an H3000 I would borrow it to mix/record. If I were BUYING however: the H9!

I remember reading in the liner notes of Petra albums “Album mixed using the Eventide H3000 Pakaderm custom”. Not sure what was custom about it but I always wanted one.

great comparison vid , just curious how much do you feel/think the differences are down to converters/bit depth or more the algorithms at play ? given the units are from 3 different decades

Hi Michael, interesting that you weren't so enamored with the H-8000.

Thanks for another excellent video. EvenMidi made a good physical controller for the H9 and they are about to release a new H9 controller that is even better. YT prevents me from posting a link but you'll find it by searching for EvenMidi.

Great video! Compared to the Eclipse the H9 has less 3D feeling. Especially the Blackhole preset shows that very much. Nevertheless the H9 does a great job for the money.

Before you give the h3000 back to it's owner, can we please have a comparison between the h3000 and the h3000 Factory plug-in? Pretty please!

@AdamGotheridge

3 жыл бұрын

+1

@infinitybrian

3 жыл бұрын

No comparison in general..I owned both and H3000 definitely sounds better.. But of course, the plug in is very usable in production setting :P

@AdamGotheridge

3 жыл бұрын

@@infinitybrian Figures!. Seems like everything is like that when you really drill down. Thanks.

@psycofdo

3 жыл бұрын

@@infinitybrian I also heard a bit of less treble on the h3000 factory, but could be corrected maybe with eq and compression. Can the h3000 factory stands against today plugins? (fab filter, sound toys, whatever fashionable these days)

Can't wait to see you on ToneTalk :) When are you going to blow our minds with the H9000?

@BigHairyGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

When they send me one for free! Hahaha. *probably not happening soon* 😭

@Dejoblue

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigHairyGuitars Doesn't Michael Torren have one laying around he could lend you? 🤣 For science!

@BigHairyGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dejoblue haha. Not YET!

Eventide effects presets are really wet and usually too much for my liking. But once you dial the mix down to 20 to 30% or so, they sound fantastic! I think the H9 has some good presets. But I don't like the iPhone/iPad interface. The H9 omission of true analog bypass is a big issue. Having said that, I love Eventide!

Man, that Hagar-era VH sound is something I've been looking for. Do you have any Kemper packs with that sound?

i get your point with the iphone. but: if you have an ipad on a k&m stand in front of you, it is as convenient as it gets. i love the h9 since i bought it shortly after it was available and it is my most used effects unit, ever! the large screen makes it much more comfortable to dig into the effects and understand what you’re doing.

The app is both great and a pain in the ass. I have 3xH9’s so I often just have my iPad open when I’m using them and it’s much better than the phone. I wish I could use the Mac app on my computer without a cable.

I just got an H90, but I am ok with it. Some stuff is good. But that Eclipse sounds amazing. I liked the Eclipse better than all. I will get and Eclipse and a Lexicon PCM96 someday

Where I live, the Eclipse is $2000-3000, which isn't much of a discount (if any) on an H3000. I thought that some of the delays sounded a little better than the Eclipse (especially on Angelic Voices), but the H9 was pretty good and the Eclipse definitely wasn't 3-4x better. I'm very happy with my H9.

good to compare with new eventide pedal micro pitch

3000 had a bigger wider soundstage on the pitch shift but I liked the h9 more for ambient reverbs

Hi Michael! Have you tried the Micropitch pedal - I'm tempted, for the 5150 vibe, and a bit of Zakks NRFTW-chunk....cannot really justify the cost of an H9 for that sound alone. Cheers!

Differences matter! A LOT! It doesn't matter where something is being used. On KZread audio is really badly mangled down to poor MP3 quality. I can hear a TON of difference between the 3 units in this video. In person it would be way bigger than that. H9 panorama is squeezed, not wide open as the Eclipse and the H3000. The "doubling" quality of any H3000 preset is amazing, thanks to the analog MURATA filters it sports in the analog input section. Mind folks... that's the same exact filter used in the Lexicon 480! The stereo spread on Eclipse and H3000 is vastly wider and larger. No comparison. Tone? well... the H9 sounds thin, anemic, tipically pedal... a technology without much analog technology which builds a character. Eclipse and H3000? Much warmer, full of personality. Strong. Levels? Gee... big difference! Not even comparable... an instrument level thing vs. true line level dudes, with an headroom even over +20dBu? Black Hole? The one in the H9 doesn't even sound like Black Hole! Who knows what they did to it. Listen to the original one on the 2U Eventides and you'll hear a big difference. Don't stop at names! Eclipse has a Black Hole 2 and that means it's not exactly made as the original one, but it's much closer to it. Listen to the H3000 Black Hole 3 I programmed on it and you now know why people go crazy for an H3000 and are willing to pay that kind of money! www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventide_and_other_stuff/eventide_h3000.asp#audioclips

@BigHairyGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed on all points.

@rockvox7419

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigHairyGuitars I have an H3500 from Kulka’s shop. It has the kitchen sink mod, and the extra card. Loaded to the teeth in really good condition. Not sure how to get a hold of you, but if you’re serious about acquiring one, let me know.

Not related to this excellent video, but I'd love to see you snag an old Eleven Rack and run it through it's paces, I feel like it remains one of the more underrated processors on the market today. (at least if you go by resale value heh)

@psycofdo

3 жыл бұрын

same for the Digitech GSP1101.

Eclipse was much thinner than H3000 or H9, surprised to hear that big of a difference. Although H9 was specifically H3000 preset, I suppose Eclipse was just evolution. In general it feels like H3000 is just that much fatter in every aspect. In a pleasant way. Maybe it preserves more of the dry sound in the front. And less top end. H9 is in some way more refined and perhaps more cooperative with other stuff? But H3000 is just neck and head above them even if it's a small thing. It's a thing that matters. The others are very nice effects, but H3000 has magic. To me that is, I liked what it did. I wonder if in the review you talk about when you played or watching the video? It feels like a lot of the time on youtube playthroughs the youtube video has more difference than the maker of the video perceived. It kinda bothers me because to me there's a noticeable difference, sometimes critical where I really lean towards one of them like in here towards the 3000, and it makes me wonder when the maker of the video says "pretty much identical", if what I hear is an illusion.

Difference comes from the connectivity, H9 isn't designed for line levels, only instrument level.

On the Amsterdam sample, the H9 sounded too subtle, the Eclipse sounded too overbearing almost seasicky but the H3000 sounded just right. The H9 may be more practical and affordable nowadays, but when it comes to actual sound the H3000 is still unbeaten.

Thanks for that. IMHO H9 have a plugin sound I don´t like. But I must say I´m a H3000 fanatic :-)

Damn you Nielsen , Now need a H3000 !!!!

I WANT EM ALL! also why didnt you play the Ballerina by Vai using the 3000?

I've never been able to get my H9's delays to sound as good as the Eclipse or H3000. IMHO it's because the filtering on the H9 isn't the same.Depending on the Algo it’s very on or off sounding, it’s never as subtle as the Eclipse. On the rack units you can specify the exact hicut and lowcut frequencies. Also the modulation on the delays is different with just the knob instead of precise values like on the Eclipse. The H9 is a great utility pedal tho for Micro pitch and bread and butter effects. MicroPitch still sounds better on the Eclipse to my ears, but the H9 packs a lot of value.

You can hear miniature digital robot sounds in the H9 if you listen. Mine does it too on some presets. It's more noticeable to me if I run it mono.

Really good question I have, maybe you could answer it. i have an Eventide H3000 se that i run through a W/D/W rig. it goes through an rjm mixer and into a solid state power amp and into 2 cabs stereo. i notice that when im in the micropitch preset, it doesnt sound as flangy or waver alot like it does here on your vid. Is that because you are running the H3K direct that ya get that flangy, wavering effect? does the H3K just sound better direct then through 2 wet guitar 4x12s? just need to knkw so i can put this to rest. i basically have the EVH balance rig and i cant get my eventide to sound like this vid here. Thanks

Damn I thought the Eventide H9 was the pedal I needed but the H3000 clearly sounds better

Great video!!! to me the 3000's width is un matched. It's @ almost 120 percent width. The depth h9 not bad at all.

Can’t tell which device is the best, but your playing is tasty ! Do the H90!

I'm hearing a something special in the 3000. It's kinda like the diff between a modelling amp and a vintage amp.

Nice ! i am in the same boat with h8000... still have it but don't use all those functions and power.. and i heard older units like h3000 or dsp 4000 ,which is amazing because of the large screen, sound better in a mix. but im affraid about if something breaks in those old units ! are they still repairable ? im not sure..or it will cost a fortune and take long time.. so will an eclipse sound as good ? i don't think so... their plugins don't sound as good as their hardware also.. and i heard you can't combine different algorythms in the h9....so it's difficult to decide really !

hi Michael nice video. but are u driving the h3000 a little bit harder? if not, please consider driving it until the transit gets to clip. :]

Any chance of you demoing the Yamaha UD Stomp or Magic stomp sometime in the future?

it would be sooo cool to hear the difference between eventide algo's from hardware vs eventide plug ins.. :)

What was your mix level especially for the Micropitchshift? The eclipse sounded killer for Amsterdam!! I own both the H9 max for the earlier 910/949 and the Eclipse for the Micropitchshift.

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure. Just ear balling. It was pretty heavy.

I liked the eclipse best.....for my needs and budget, I don’t think I’d pay the extra for the 3000.....I think the H9 would work great....all were killer

I realize I’m way late to the party, BUUUUUT, that orange guitar at 4:47… what is it? Love that tone.

On the topic of the H8000, did you use VSIG?

I hear some GIANT here!

it's an almost 9 years old hardware (or did they upgrade over years?), so how it does compare with modern multi FX like HX ones? Maybe a new versions is coming, considering how many pedals have been issued recently by eventide

The H9 series also controlling the VST series right? Like the eventide micropitch, blackhole and soo on?

my bet is that if you put a lo pass filter after the H9 it would sound like the H3000, because the H9 has better DA converters .

The 3000's The SE like u have there... the best version... are in reality only worth about 500 bucks... make an offer... nobody in theyre right mind is shelling out even anywhere near 1000 dollars for them... they are over 30 + years old ... the components for them arent even made anymore... if something fails inside... all you have is a cool looking paper weight.... I just bought two pcm80's and a 90 for 11 hundred when the asking price was 8 and 9 hundred a piece... it is an awesome piece of gear.... but dont get yourself ripped off

Thank you I have been looking for a good comparison between these units. Wish I still had my eclipse. Please don't flame me...but why not compare with Axe Fx 3? The effects are amazingly good.

@notsure1135

3 жыл бұрын

fLAME! Jk.

I just bought an H9 I was looking at H3000 and holy crap. So I think it's ok?? I also have a Lexicon M300. And a few other boxes.

I have two H9's and when set to identical settings, I can still hear a slight difference. Maybe a mixer or eq may be the answer.

Sincere question: is it pronounced "Evan tide" or "Eee ven tide"? I have always said it as "even" tide (as in opposite of "odd"). However it is pronounced, the H3000 sounds great.

@AudioAtmos

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the people who own it and work there and as I do pronounce it Eee ven tide. Eventide.

@resonantnoise8957

2 жыл бұрын

Ee ven tide. Like even number.

@magicizaproblem

2 жыл бұрын

i always say even - tide but evantide sounds classier imo lol

Feels like the rack hardware gets “wider” than the H9 pedal… surprising though, I wouldn’t have thought that would be my perception

Thanks bro i appreciate it..u shd note that it is pronounced as even tide... Like no waves... Get it?

So you are going guitar - ps100 (silent/line out) - interface - wall of sound to record? Then post you are sending a mono track out to the H9 and returning in stereo? Then bouncing that out for the audio? If we were to do this live would a wet/dry be the same? Or are you processing both Left and Right? Or is one side dry?

@BigHairyGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. Mono in, stereo out. To do it live you would need either 2 amps or a stereo power amp and 2 speaker cabs.

Easy to hear the quality of the H3000. Proper rack unit, power supply, high headroom, beefy analog pathway. H9 cant sound like that. Rack gear is expensive for a reason. Wide open, defined and solid with massive clarity etc.

To me the H9 sounds like the others have a blanket on them...either it's sample rate is much better and/or the usable frequency range is much higher. May have to check out getting a second H9 later this year....I'm no longer salivating for the H3000 which actually literally sounds dated in this comparison to me....but everyone like something different. Just my worthless 2 cents. Regards from Texas.

I could find use for all, but think that 3000 may sound a bit smoother.