as former Testarossa owner I can tell you, you do not get anywhere near 17mpg. not in your wildest dreams. at very best 13, maybe 14. as mentioned here, real world is 9 or 10mpg. so that number should be around £1300, not £718. I'm an EV fan, and these numbers show why they make so much sense.

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

We expected as much but thought we should give the ICE a chance. Thanks for the real world information 👍😀

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your words of experience. Those numbers are the same we’ve heard from other Testarossa owners. 👍

@gilesgreenaway5655

Ай бұрын

Sound like even more EV fan bs.

@goodfodder

Ай бұрын

lucky bugger 😊

@thisisnumber0

29 күн бұрын

Dwain Dwight has spoken. It must be true.

Oil refineries use an extreme amount of electricity - about 1.5 kwh per litre of petrol. In most cases, the same grid that you charge your EV on, is also used to refine crude oil. To be accurate, emissions comparisons must include all emissions used to drill, dig, pump, refine, transport, pump again, burn in an ICE and finally released from the tailpipe. Along the way, there are leaks of methane in addition to the enormous CO2 emissions.

@hardywoodaway9912

Ай бұрын

I agree that oil doesn’t grow on the roof. but tbf most power used for refining is generated from gas fumes

@_schwarzbunt

Ай бұрын

YES - even the relatively petrol friendly and best established German magazine "auto motor und sport" quoted different studies that gave numbers between 1.5KWh and 2KWh per litre of petrol for everything from drilling to supplying it at the petrol station including refining. But would you have traveled the German Autobahn for example, your CO2 per KWh would have been significantly higher - 434g/KWh in 2022 as an average is the most recent number, the German Federal Environment Agency gives. The same institution gives a number per passenger kilometer in long distance train travel of 36g for 2020 - - - which equals exactly what our 1995, 2.o litre petrol VW T4 Camper Van results in, loaded with five passengers at truck speeds...not counting the supply of the petrol : ) but already not anymore a relation of 1 over 67. ...Would be a dream to convert our van to electric, but not very sensible, since we exclusively use it three or four times a year, and let it rest for often more than 3 months in between, because of accomplishing all daily urban transport cycling throughout all four seasons. ...horses for courses

@davidbrayshaw3529

Ай бұрын

Yes, they most certainly do. But always remember that petrol and diesel are biproducts that result from the distillation of crude oil, they're not the only products. The plastics, paints, lubricants, synthetic rubber seals, tyres, insulation cooling systems, the foam in the seats and the upholstery used in manufacturing an EV are all dependent on the distillation of crude oil, naphtha being the main requirement. Then there is the consideration of harvesting raw materials and the diesel required to do that. Then there is the consideration of the heavy fuel oil consumed by the ships that are used to take the raw materials from their source to the manufacturer and then the requirement to ship the finished product back out to market. And, of course, we then operate those vehicles on roads made from bitumen and mined stone. The production and operation of an EV is heavily dependent on the distillation of crude oil. Petrol and diesel are the "throw outs". That's not to say that petrol and diesel engines are a good thing, they're not. But they are inevitable while we distil crude oil for other purposes. I.e. building and operating EV's.

@Man_v_Cars

Ай бұрын

I suppose we ignore how electricity is made?

@wojciechkruzel6569

Ай бұрын

In most cases, rafineries produce their own electricity, from oil, which emits over 1000g of CO2 per kWh.

A petrol Testarossa would have had much lower numbers than presented because it would have made half the trip on a flatbed truck.

@LG-ct8tw

Ай бұрын

Then it's the truck numbers that count!😉

@Snoodlehootberry

Ай бұрын

Oh, you make me laugh

I live in Taiwan, Driving e-scooters here (ones that can go up to 80 mph) you can swap your batteries at battery charging kiosks machines that are much easier to find than gas stations. You drop in depleted batteries and it gives you fully charged ones so there's zero charging time. A charged battery in my e-scooter lasts just as long as a tank of gasoline in a regular scooter. Since I'm buying a new e-scooter to replace my five year old one I have the option to sign up for a three year battery plan where for just $16 a month I can drive up to 1,500 km (932 miles) before it starts charging more. That's insanely affordable, cheaper than gasoline for the same distance. Also much cheaper than your trip, pretty good for a scooter that's legal to carry up to two adults and two children. There's even a competitor brand where if you buy their e-scooters you can use their battery swap kiosks for free for life, but it's much harder to find one of those kiosks. For me the $16 a month is well worth the convenience of having access to a battery charging network with unmanned kiosks that are absolutely everywhere. My now five year old e-scooter still drives like it's brand new, the performance shows zero signs of age, and it never once broke down. I never took it in for maintenance. All I ever did was replace the sprockets, chain and tires since it's such a torque monster. My new e-scooter has a hub motor so no more need to replace sprockets or a chain, only required maintenance should be changing the tires when they need changing.

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

That’s a great idea. 👍😀

I actually think the testarossa is fairly aero-dynamic, I also think its 12 cylinder engine wasn't designed with fuel efficiency in mind which is why the difference is so big. But even if you compared your EV testarossas to the most fuel efficient gasoline car, there would still be a huge difference

big factor here is you made it there and back, i have my doubts if you had take a Testarossa for exact comparison it would have behaved itself for the whole trip!!

@4literv6

Ай бұрын

Isn't that trip more mileage than most of those old ferraris have ever seen in total? 😀👍🏻

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

True. 😆👍

@terryhayward7905

Ай бұрын

@@4literv6 At least more miles without breaking down

@PaulusPHM

Ай бұрын

Bought my Testa in 89, still driving her , and kept a full record of milage and gallons over 136000 miles. Guess what 21/gallon. Inclusive driving autobahn, most eu countries and 6 years in hong kong.

@rollingstocks

Ай бұрын

For real. It's very impressive that these hand-built EVs were able to travel that far with no major issues. This is a testament to Electric Classic Car's build quality & knowledge in this field.

Great videos guys. 👍 We did a similar trip in a friend's Testa and Mondial with other super cars our friends owned (much more wealthy than me). We went to San Remo via Monaco and back from Liverpool. It was early naughties. Both cars needed premium petrol (more expensive but not as expensive as now) Both cars had to be serviced before and afterwards. we got an average 11.5 mpg. ~3000 mile round trip. The Mondial speedo went and we got fined €90 for doing 20kph over kph limit on payage. Which we avoided due to my pidgin french and telling traffic cops we were late for ferry. which we were and we didnt have €90 in cash They then fined us €30 the lesser amount fine but then followed us for 10 miles to make sure we didnt speed again. We did get the ferry which was late and our driving buddies staged a beaching of their Ferrari to stall for time for us. The most expensive holiday I've ever been on. The insurance fuel servicing toll fees accommodation was eye watering. We had a massive laugh though. I imagine the only thing you had to contend with was "range anxiety". but having built the cars, you knew that wouldn't be a problem. Everywhere we stopped for lunch had loads of people stopping to look at the cars. Especially in Italy. Remember just how low the Testa is to drive and get in? And that my left knee and calf was roasting next to transmission/gear box. Good times👍

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Great story. Thanks for sharing. 👍

@Cyrribrae

27 күн бұрын

Ha. Sounds like a great time with friends, better because of all the foibles - though, I'd definitely prefer to avoid them haha

I did expect the difference to be this big. Electric car engine and battery efficiency is evolving at incredible rates as more companies get into it. Gasoline engines haven't been able to become any more efficient for a very long time.

I have a 2020 Tesla Model 3 with 91,000 miles on it. Excepting tires, I have spent zero dollars on maintenance. I imagine that a gasoline-powered Testarossa has a relatively high per-mile maintenance cost, including brakes, oil, valves, etc. So the actual difference in operational cost would, including fuel, would be even more substantial.

Did I expect the cost difference and carbon dioxide emmission difference to be as great as they were? No, I most certainly did not. Thanks for the good work.

Absolutely ripping series. Thanks to all involved. Highly educational as well as entertaining.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I never expect the carbon emissions to be so high per litre of fuel…. I’m really shocked and petrol heads need to take note of this and realise what they are polluting. So glad we just changed over to e new Tesla M3 4 weeks ago. Great video and just subscribed as love this content already. Well done to all of you. Hope people pass this info onto other I know I will. 👍🇦🇺

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for a great series! From the numbers in the description, the Teslarossa did 2.7 miles per kWh (4.3 km per kWh), not bad at all.

@4literv6

Ай бұрын

Or the equivelant to 90.9mpg U.S. as road gas here is accepted as 33.7kwhs per gallon in total energy. 👍🏻😀 Imagine telling someone your vintage 600+hp 0-60mph in 3s Ferrari gets up to 90+mpg and runs off of the sun. 😎

@maurorecio

Ай бұрын

The only thing better than all this you are saying would be that all this could be available for everyone in the world! 😢

@rorylong314

Ай бұрын

Or 23kWh/100km, as most European EV’s read out their consumption.

@visionmodernclassics3062

Ай бұрын

I cannot understand why they hidding KPIs of their brilliant Ferrari conversion.. Capacity Charging power Peak power Consumption As if they have to hide sometiming

In rural North Florida, USA electricity for a home is very reasonable. When I drove an e-Gold on average 1200 miles a month there was hardly an increase when charging with a Level 2 charger. Sure I charged almost daily with a 2016 e-Golf Premium. But the savings in gas nearly paid for the car I F I charged at home. As long EVs are reasonable to maintain they are the future even for people who live out of the city.

Fascinating. Electric just seems better in every way. In the US (where petrol is cheap), I find the cost to drive my EV cross-country is about the same as petrol. Local driving, where I’m charging at home, the EV is MUCH cheaper. Great video!

The fuel costs of the original Testarossa would probably pale in comparison to the ongoing costs of keeping all the oily bits of such a beast running perfectly, so many collectors will have it parked in their collection. And where's the fun in that? A Testarossa-shaped sculpture is beautiful, sure, but you want to drive the thing and make middle-aged people happy for seeing it. 😁

Thanks for this one, fascinating. And food for thought. Cheers

It was a very fun, educational and fascinating journey, guys. Now do it again in electric converted Porsche 911/912s!

It's too bad that you didn't have a petrol Testarossa to go on the trip with you so you could get the REAL mpg and cost, because I'm fairly confident it would be much worse than 17 mpg. Anyway, good test! I hope to some day get an Aptera because my cost of "fueling" will essentially be zero since I live in a sunny area and usually only drive about 20-25 miles a day to and from work and the solar panels can add up to 40 miles of range per day.

@arthemis1039

Ай бұрын

They did not have the budget to pay for fuel and a new engine 🤣

@JustWasted3HoursHere

Ай бұрын

@@arthemis1039 I can imagine, but I thought they might have had one that had not been converted yet since they've done several of these over the years. In any case, their data is sound.

Thanks guys, seeing so many people on social media trying to convince everyone that electric is somehow worse than fossils (going so far as to break down fake lithium mining numbers etc..) gets depressing after a while, it's great to see you breaking down the absurdity of such arguments. We need this channel to be spread far and wide!

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thanks. Feel free to share. 👍

@garmar704

Ай бұрын

Yes!

This video is quite a reference work! The knowledge you gained on this trip is invaluable! Mahalo for laying it all out and sharing it with the world.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yep, I expected that, wasn't sure on the European costs, but the rest of the numbers are simply the ICE being 15-17% fuel efficient to that of EV being 60-75% efficient, just wasting so much less energy is hard to compete with! Really great job on the data and presentation, thanks guys!

As you know the total amount of kWh used you can also divide by ten to get roughly how many liter of petrol you used to run ta Teslarossa. As one liter of petrol amounts for 10kWh of energy. A good way to explain to ICE drivers how efficient an EV is.

Really enjoyable series. Well done. Thanks. Jim Bell (Australia)

1% energy generation from coal this year. It's going to be 0% next year as the last coal powered power station is being shut down this year.

@LG-ct8tw

Ай бұрын

Is that in the united kingdom? If we elect our Orange dictator, over here, you can expect us to make up for that decline rather quickly🤣

@johnbb99

Ай бұрын

Yes, it's good we're getting rid of coal, but remember 32% of UK generation in 2023 was by gas. OTOH, I [maybe you too] and most if not all ev public charging is [more or less*] 100% green. (* my supplier says 100% green except when [eg on a wind-free night] they have to use some 'dirty' electricity, and they then pay to 'make it green' with carbon credits/offsets or whatever they are called.)

@TB-up4xi

Ай бұрын

Sort of, while 1% was generated locally the UK also imported 20% there is no disaggregation I can find for how this was generated

@ElectricClassicCars

29 күн бұрын

@@TB-up4xiHere’s where the UK imports come from. 👍 ukerc.ac.uk/news/britain-net-electricity-exporter/

@Cyrribrae

27 күн бұрын

​@@TB-up4xiwhich is a silly point because the countries that the UK imports from are even cleaner lol. France, Belgium, Norway.. I mean.. It's not even close.

And apart from all that you had a great time driving those beautiful cars quietly and trouble free. 😊

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Absolutely!

Could you do a piece on rapid charging conversions and options available. I haven’t heard much on this and would be interested in how it would work.

Very interesting. It also demonstrates the efficiency of electric power versus ICE motors. Good work (and an enviable trip)

Here in Australia, it really pays to shop around. I use Jolt, and I get 10Kw per day for AUS $10 per month, which is about 17% of my Model 3. If you use Tesla, we get a range of 30c to 79c depending on peak times and location. Other providers charge from 50c to 80c per KW. So, people need to use the best priced charges if they want to save money on their drive.

An amazing conversion, love the car. I was at the fully charged event in Harrogate this week and there was a company EVbreakers.com based in NI and they had the drive train out of a Kia EV6. Talking to the guy they had many EVs for spares. It made me think that many of your lesser conversions could use this type of power train.

Most of the public chargers I use claim that the electricity purveyed is 100% renewable which would drive the emitted carbon number down further for the Electric Testarossa

@RandomNoob

Ай бұрын

I have many doubts on this claim, we all know it means they purchase "clean" electricity but that doesn't mean it is at all times plus for every kW of clean electricity consumed on charging is 1kW that would have gone elsewhere so it's more of a marketing gimmick. We're getting there though and the whole grid is still cleaner now than it's ever been and the whole EV revolution will help push everything to be 100% clean.

@markthomasson5077

Ай бұрын

..greenwash! It doesn’t make any difference to how the electric was generated

@Cyrribrae

27 күн бұрын

​@@RandomNoobat this stage of the game, 90% is near enough 100%. If they're making an honest effort, I'm not bothered by edge cases and one-offs. Much more focused on those that are 50% clean or even way less. Those are the problem spots that are worth really going hard after.

I drove a Tesla model 3 from Gold Coast to Melbourne Australia (1703km) and it cost me $183. Same in a petrol car getting 9.8 litres/100km average cost me $500 for same journey. Only difference it took 2 hours longer due to charging stops

@lesmotley6839

28 күн бұрын

If didn't have a Tesla and didn't use Tesla charging stations your electric car would have used $600 in electricity.

@kevtaylor7250

28 күн бұрын

No that’s not true mate, Tesla superchargers charged me $.70/kwh to charge where other non Tesla charging stations charge on average @ $.50/kwh to charge so charging is cheaper. Also I drove a model 3 performance which has less range (477km) than newer EV’s which are more in the 500km. Driving a later model EV using non Tesla superchargers would be less than $183 and definitely not $600

@lesmotley6839

28 күн бұрын

@@kevtaylor7250 I've watched 2 videos on KZread where journalists have taken EVs from Sydney to Victoria and they were more expensive than petrol cars. From memory one was an electric BMW 7 series vs a petrol BMW 7 series and the other video was of a single mother comparing an electric hyundai to her corolla and the old corolla was cheaper on a long interstate journey from Sydney. Having said all of that I have no reason to doubt your experience. I've got a turbo mazda 6 and on interstate journeys it gets 7litres per 100km. It would use about 120 litres of 91 grade @ 1.95 for a total cost of $234.

One thing we have to remember is that an ICE version Testarossa isn't always going to be running at its ideal. At the beginning of every cold startup the ICE vehicle would have added NOx, SOx, CO, to the CO2, plus nowhere near the 17(or 10) mpg. As the cars were remarkably similar in weight ICE/BEV, the tyre particulates -PM 2.5 and 10 would have been similar. But it doesn't end there. The brake dust from the ICE version would have been much higher. Shame you couldn't have added in the mountain passes, in that case. Can you imagine the particulates saved by going electric, plus all that Regen !?!

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Very true. Good points. 👍

@EddInLancs01

Ай бұрын

Good god! I'll bet you're fun at parties.

@ramblerandy2397

Ай бұрын

@@EddInLancs01 Just telling the truth. There are so many lies around.

@Cyrribrae

27 күн бұрын

And the cool thing is that for people who say regulations don't work, the amount of SO2 NOx and other toxic fumes in car exhaust has plummeted by multiple orders of magnitude since governments have forced car makers to do so. Don't see too many people clamoring to get back to that after all is said and done, even if the process took some time and money. These growing pains are always contentious, but the knee-jerk reaction to fight electrification is a bit like clinging to your safety blanket in the pool. Just move on, the dang thing is just weighing you down now.

Thank you so much Richard for this very important information!! And for your great presentation. All the best to you and your crew from Gene in Tennessee.😄

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

You are very welcome

This Teslarossa serial was fantastic! I really enjoyed it and the final numbers just shocked me. I didn't know that we pollute so much with an ICE car. Beside these it was really funny to see a Mini on the top shelf behind you! :)

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks Richard. Shocking facts. Don't cars emit carbon monoxide, therefore emissions would be one oxygen atom less??? Waddaya think? Great, as always. Thanks.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Yes. ICE vehicles don’t just produce CO2. They also produce carbon monoxide, nitrous oxide, methane, etc

@ekhaat

Ай бұрын

Only very little CO, modern cars burn very clean. And CO is very deadly, CO2 not.

Eye opening!

Always interesting. Love your work, team 👍

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it 👍😀

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Not added on here is that you'd probably service the Ferrari engine before you set off and have the car checked over for a long trip.

I'd have like to been told how much kWh you used. Assuming an average of 50p/kWh, about 550kWh. For almost 1900 miles, that's 3.5 miles per kWh, which is pretty good as far as EVs go. EDIT: Just seen the actual number in description, 697kWh. So 2.7 miles per kWh, or 36kWh/100 miles. Still pretty good!

@ikocheratcr

29 күн бұрын

232Wh/km is not a bad number, and Richard said it is inefficient. I would say it is only less efficient than a Tesla. :)

Thanks, very interesting

Absolutely brilliant comparisons, thanks Tim and Richard! Another interesting measurement would be energy use. How much further would the electric Teslarossa go on the same amount of energy vs the petrol Testarossa. My guess would be that the electric car would travel 4-5 times further on the same amount of energy. Because the petrol Ferrari is probably only 20% efficient in real life.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Great point!

Most interesting vid of the whole Teslarossa epic, in my book

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thanks👍

In your calculations into the carbon produced when the batteries were so much carbon produced but the Testa Roston carbon footprint would have disappeared were the carbon footprint for the Tesla Rosta would be still around

It's great to see these number crunching videos. Maybe another roadtrip is in order with an Ice and Ev version of any car, for exact comparison

This *IS THE BEST* channel here on KZread!!!

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thanks ❤️👍

Crackin' video, as always, Richard and 'cameraman' Tim - just brilliant. Whilst I never had any doubt over which powertrain would be cheaper, the BIG takeaway I got from this was just how 'relatively dirty' the UK's Grid still is, compared to others...! Whilst I'm not a fan of nuclear power generation - the waste products are nasty - France being 5x less polluting than the UK sure makes a convincing case for it...

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Thanks. 👍😀

Thanks for going to the trouble on getting the data of the emmisions. I don't think most people realise how terrible petrol (and Hybrid) cars are as far as emmisions go. Back in 2020 during the huge bushfires here in Australia I sat down and and worked out my C02 footprint for 2019 and by far my biggest emissions were from vehicles (@~7 tons!). Didn't help that my Land Rover was Diesel which has even worse C02 per litre (~2.8kgs). Land Rover is now electric (drove it out of the garage on electrons for the first time 2 days ago) and I can do long trips again!

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Another electric Land Rover on the planet. Great stuff. 😎👌

Huge. Wasn’t sure - did you mean when you said ‘generating the petrol’ that yo calculated the co2 emissions for extracting the oil and transporting it from Saudi or USA, aside from the combustion? Ah yes - I see you did - am now reading that paper linked in your description. Excellent info!

wow, looking at your numbers and since you low balled the petrol consumption my take away is : petrol produces 1kg of CO2 every mile driving a Testarossa. Thanks for the lesson.

Buying a testarossa and not being able to afford the gas is something I would do😂 Jokes aside I would prefer the teslarossa, perfect combination of modern technology and old school styling

Before this even starts, there’s absolutely no way both cars would have made it back without issues if they were petrol powered.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

True. 👍

@goodfodder

Ай бұрын

Well let’s be fair, if the engines had recently been rebuilt

Love you channel!❤

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Thanks 👍😀

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much!!

I had no idea the emissions scores would be so different.

thank you guys. sadly the anti ev guys will add other data without considering their ice data so you'll get some more hair raising annoying statistics but we all know how efficient evs are. i always tell them on my channel: i can charge my ev build superbike for 0.5$ and i can go the minimum 25kms with my fun full power enjoyment. how far can you go on your gas bike or car for 0.5$????? then i take it further that day i did 90kms with my ebike and still had about 40 more kms to go. that cost me with home charging about 0.5 euro........its crazy how people complain about efficiencies until you give them the numbers.......

Thank you for being one of the rare car channels (even EV) I know who care about emissions.

The kWh to refine a pint of dino juice is absurdly underreported… be interested to know where you got your estimates estimates.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

The links are in the description 👍

Plus transporting the crude oil and after refining. Double what you have now.

🇲🇾 represent!

According to the Swiss Touring Club (who seem to have data on the carbon footprint of various car types somehow): A petrol Corsa 1.2 uses 10.9 tonnes of CO2 to manufacture. An electric Corsa uses 17.4 tonnes to manufacture. This gives an idea to the (correct) statement that EVs create more CO2 to make. However, you can also get an idea from this video of how using the vehicle closes that gap within a couple of years. I’ve driven 58,000 miles in mine, so must have cleared the production debt a long time ago. I’m in the UK so the average UK energy mix applies to me. I’m on a 100% green tariff and also use a small amount of solar, so my figures are slightly better than the UK average as well. Even if some one lives in an area 100% coal powered, the CO2 emissions are about the same as petrol, depending on whether you have an efficient EV or a monster SUV tank. At that point it gets challenging to overcome the carbon footprint of production - several years are required. I don’t know how Swiss Touring Club get their figures, but suspect it is a calculation based on data rather than Manufacturers specific data. It would be nice to find out from the Manufacturers what the real value is. I believe this value should be given to buyers in the same way your fuel economy is required to be shown. It’s a factor that matters. For some users with low weekly mileage, a small petrol town car would be cheaper to buy, operate and better for the environment over the next say 5 years (only considering CO2 emissions and no other factors). Personal use case (and available finance) matters!

@Cyrribrae

27 күн бұрын

A lot of these methodologies are hard to track down. Lots of numbers without recent reliable data. But yea, the battery manufacturing process does involve a lot of specialized manufacturing with emissions. But.. It scales with size. A small petrol car used sparingly may have less emissions in manufacturing. But an equivalent small EV with the tiny battery that would be needed to match the driving use case indicated would also have much fewer emissions than what we're talking about here. Even better, small EVs tend to be way more efficient, especially at city speeds. It wouldn't surprise me if you "broke even" sooner with a small ev, in fact. Honestly, it's all academic at this point. Just like battery performance has improved, so too has manufacturing and lifecycle uses. And that's a good trajectory

Crazy how expensive it looks to me because my regular electricity price is 50% of your overnight charging price

@johnbb99

Ай бұрын

Is that commercially supplied electricity? Where are you??

"Geography teacher"? You'll be needing to sew leather elbow patches on your hoodie, Richard. 😋👍

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Great idea 😂😂

Hi Richard. The AI from Google gives this answer: "The Ferrari Testarossa gets 20 miles per gallon (mpg) on the highway, which gives it a range of about 400 miles"

Even using the 70p per kwh chargers its still around 45mpg equivalent. For most EV's

You could add extra lines to the summary. 1. Amount of fuel cost that goes to authoritarian petrostates 2. Amount poisonous emissions causing early deaths 3. National health expenditure/savings from less pollution 4. Benefits/damages in national cognitive ability due to less/more pollution... there are endless ways electric mobility is better than fossil cars.

Re fuel refining (embodied scope 1 and 2 emissions) figure not changing much (17:13). The production emissions of oil does vary a lot around the world, from 5Kg per barrel (Kuwait) to 110Kg per barrel (Canada tar sands) . And figure for refining is 14-62Kg per barrel. So it does matter quite a lot where your original oil comes from and where is gets refined. A barrel is 159 litres, so worst case adds about 1Kg per litre, and best case 0.05Kg. So factor of 20 difference. and if the scope 3 (burning) is 2.72KgCO2e/l), than that adds 36% and 2% respectively. You don't say what figure you used, but at 17mpg, that 1878 would take 501 litres which implies using 0.415Kg/l for extraction and processing - which sounds about right and is in the middle of my range.

@ElectricClassicCars

25 күн бұрын

Interesting information. Thanks 👍

There's no denying the figures. We run an electric car for our day to day needs which is mainly charged from our home solar system but we also own an older Bentley Continental R. Emissions are one thing but the conversion costs another. I am not rich enough to convert the Bentley but I would if I could. I guess I will have to stick with petrol for now. We did a 3k trip across Europe in the Bentley last year and we averaged 21mpg, omissions aside, unlike the Ferrari's we had no mechanical issues covering 350 miles per tank with some is reserve.

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Probably best to enjoy the Bentley as it is. 👍👍

What a hoot of a road trip! The monetary cost will be long forgotten but the memories will last a lifetime. What price can be put on the smiles per mile when you’re on a European adventure with two special cars, that you built and good friends?

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Very true. 👍

I'm learning every day lol

You are a champ, always telling the story in a good and positive tone, thank you

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

I try 😉👍

Divide the 1577Kg by about 3 to get a number for a reasonably efficient modern car. (51mpg). i.e 525Kg. Still 95% more emissions than the EV, which is a huge deal. On a bad day the grid numbers could easily be 3-4 times worse, as you were clearly travelling at an unusually 'clean grid' time. But that's still only 94Kg, so still a factor of 5 better.

Here in the US both gas and electricity at superchargers is around half the cost for your trip.

My first thought, looking at the electricity charge, even before seeing petro-fuel costs: Take a train-it would be MUCH cheaper.

The co2 numbers are really interesting. Most of us are here because we're car heads . We've long since realised that an ev is superior because of fuel costs, maintenance, power etc. However , probably none of us think too much about the emissions from the grid and from refining/transporting oil. This video really underlines how significant cleaning up the grid and switching from ice to ev really is for everyone on the planet .By just by driving an ev and powering it from the sun really can make a big difference. Fun and saving money and the planet at the same time. What's not to like ? Well done lads .

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Thanks 👍😀

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏

This was in readably shocking to see the real truth of just pure fuel number comparisons…….. i also did not realize the Kg #s for fuel. Well done Tim on keeping such accurate figures all the way, i have something similar for the beast all the way to Spain but not as well detailed. Can’t wait to test this with the 930 Porsche, will be shocking…..and not leave a massive pool of oil on the ground everywhere you park it either!! Congrats guys 🎉

The Testarossa came out in 1984. And you're telling me that technology that came out 40 years later is more efficient?! Wow... Would never have guessed. I'm a fan of all vehicles, but not a fan of BS comparisons. Love your content. Cheers.

@Cyrribrae

27 күн бұрын

I mean. This isn't REALLY about the testa. It's about any car that does 17mpg. Because if this was about the testa, it would be based on 10mpg instead lol.

CO2 is interesting, but I'd like to see the difference in carcinogenic and poisonous gas emissions, as a direct comparison between tailpipe emissions and electricity generation. It will be difficult, which is why I haven't tried, but probably a more useful exercise. People can't see CO2, but they see smog and know that stuff they're breathing behind a truck in is bad for them.

Another brilliant video thank you. I was also wondering what is required to to offset that 23kg of carbon from electric.

I wonder why these figures aren’t used more widely to advocate electric vehicles? Could you also include the emissions from the manufacture and maintenance of the wind and solar farms for interest?

Cheers guys

Loved this series of videos and to me you have given the Testarossas a complete new life where they will be driven. I am sure the actual amount of CO2 would be higher . Does it include the whole process of finding it, pulling it out of the ground, moving it, refining it and moving it again, before it uses more energy to pump it into the car. Then only about 30% is actually used for driving.

Regarding emissions: On average, every ICE vehicle (moped, car, van, HGV) PRODUCES MORE CO2 than its own weight EVERY YEAR.

The last coal fired powerstation in ingland. Radcliffe On Soar on A453 near nottingham M1 J24 closes this year. 😊

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

Good news 👍😀

Cheers 👍💪✌

The CO2 figure for petrol is scary, will make me think twice about taking my ice car out

@spudproductions7606

Ай бұрын

I was shocked too 👍👍

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

It’s certainly an eye opener.

Would those classic Ferrari's need an engine rebuild after 2000 miles?

@mcstaal

Ай бұрын

Pretty much.

@JohnR31415

Ай бұрын

Only if you managed the rebuild at 1000

@stephen300o6

Ай бұрын

No, an exercised ferrari is a reasonably robust car.

@LG-ct8tw

Ай бұрын

Timing chain at 5000 miles plus all fluids Coolant and lubes. might need 12 sparkers too.

@Lewis_Standing

Ай бұрын

@@LG-ct8tw wow, I was only joking but that seems extreme

Like I said after the last video, don't forget that your gas powered Testarossa would have required a full service, including a timing chain (5000 miles if I remember) by the end of your round trip. That implies dropping the engine if you have a lift or tearing the cabin apart to do it through the fire wall. (expensive ether way) VS Zero maintenance for the Teslarossa.

@LightBranches

Ай бұрын

It’s a timing belt, due every 24,000 Kms, or every 5 years.

@gilesgreenaway5655

28 күн бұрын

More EV enthusiasts bs..5000 miles, chain.

I didn't know you're a geography teacher

Would a Subaru Brat make a good, bad, or just okay, conversion? I've seen it DIY'd a long time ago with lead acid batteries, so I know it's possible. I'd want to keep the 4wd. I'd like under 6s 0-60, and at least 90mph top speed. At least 200 mile range in all weather (so 250-300wltp I think). Better than 50kw fast charging would be nice.

Great series. Absolutely NO reason to NOT go EV. Thanx for your washup at the end.

@goodfodder

Ай бұрын

only reasons are 1) upfront cost, 2) not fit for purpose infrastructure in the uk. That said 90% of use cases not a problem

@johncouani8733

29 күн бұрын

@@goodfodder these cars are conversions so not typical costs. Newer EVs would and will be cheaper to start. Prices coming down already.

@goodfodder

28 күн бұрын

@@johncouani8733 Agree, however the upfront cost of a like for like EV is obviously higher which unfortunately most only look at as opposed to the TCO

Did that CO2 calculation for petrol include the CO2 emitted by the lorry delivering the fuel to the petrol station and the power used to pump it from the tank to the car at the garage? ;)

@ElectricClassicCars

26 күн бұрын

Yes 👍

Great video, I use a different website for generation emissions ' Drax Electric Insights' which have 48g/kWh as the 1st days value 🤷‍♂, but overall still negligeable in comparison to the well to wheel petrol co2.

@ElectricClassicCars

Ай бұрын

That’s weird. 🤷‍♂️👍

Alright, i haven't even gone through the entire episode and the fact that you started in Wales, passed through one country, and went into a second country in just under 2k miles is so awesome! Regardless of gas or electric vehicles....wait, Ferarris...man, you guys are the BEST!! Thank you for the content

Great series, still don't know how I feel about a Teslarossa.

How about a long term comparison later on, maybe a 5 year comparison? 🤙🏼

It would have been better if you had a gas against an ev. It would have been a better comparison. Don't forget the time needed to change compared to gas.

Wear and tear on a delicate Italian I.C.E. engine/transmission would surely also be a massive cost, right?

Well - I wasn’t expecting that! That’s a crazy amount of co2, if it were by petrol. Let’s see if Lee & Geoff mention this on their trip to Spain.

well lets call her the new ferrari TeslaRossa from now on...

hHw about maintenance for the ICE car, fresh fluids and labor ?