Like I have been saying for years. These jack wagons will work 10 times harder for a dishonest dollar than they would for an honest dollar.

@samijokinen9246

Күн бұрын

What if those thieves are Not for the money but rather anti EV radicals?

When theft and property damage that are worth thousands of dollars is something police departments don’t want to do anything about, unfortunately there is zero consequence to thieves and there is nothing stopping them.

@billwaterhouse5894

5 күн бұрын

Stop defunding, demoralizing and otherwise hating the police and you’ll find out they do care. NBC news/ K5 in Seattle recently reported they are down 700 police officers.

@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation

5 күн бұрын

Charge EV Parking Fee's Per Hour $20-$50 as u wait to be recharged / will DO to pay for 24/7 manned private guards on station.

@toofast4radar

5 күн бұрын

Then the police will likely also not care if someone "takes care" of the situation when the guy is caught.

@shannon6876

5 күн бұрын

@@toofast4radar Oh no, doing anything about it is vigilantism, and you'll go to prison AND hell forever for that!

@billwaterhouse5894

5 күн бұрын

So I’m curious @mabutarif, did you delete my comment or was it KZread? Either way, suppressing the truth is part of the reason why this country is heading in the direction it is…sad

kyle -- Reach out to the Puget sound / Seattle area state and city district attorney. You are a member of the press, and I think using your press credentials to pressure elected officials is a good idea. Maybe also reach out to Seattle area EV clubs and see what their perspective is.

@ST-cy6we

5 күн бұрын

The socialist government in Seattle does not care. They are bought and paid for by George Soros. Sadly, Kyle's words will fall on deaf ears.

@jfbeam

5 күн бұрын

Local TV is "press". KZreadr is not "press".

@dondaly4773

4 күн бұрын

@@jfbeam 1000% not true. Precendent set in the United states is that “every sort of publication which affords a vehicle of information and opinion” is considered press. KZreadrs like this Channel are absolutely press and the original commenter is correct they should reach out to the police department for comment of what they are doing about it

If the vandalism costs exceed $1,500 in Washington state that makes the crime a felony. Have EA informed the police that the crime qualifies as a felony based on the monetary damages? I don't understand how the police refuse to investigate a felony. "The threshold for felony vandalism in Washington State starts at $1,500 in damages. However, even damage below $1,500 can be charged as a felony if it meets specific criteria like targeting certain types of property."

@virtuserable

5 күн бұрын

Long story short but I've been a victim of several felony-level thefts and the police in my area just emailed me a form to fill out and sent me something back so I could file with my insurance. No follow-ups, no investigation as far as I can tell... It's incredible that all of these police getting nice salaries, benefits, pensions and just sit around getting paychecks and they simply don't care JeanPieereWhite

@craig8638

5 күн бұрын

Thank you. Unbelievably there are people on here saying cops have better things to do. It’s grand theft.

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

@@virtuserable That's disturbing to hear. Sorry you went through that. We are but one step away from anarchy.

@davidgiles9751

5 күн бұрын

@@virtuserable It's not that the police are just sitting around... it's that the local politicians and DAs aren't willing to follow up and prosecute these thiefs and throw them in jail.

@macbook802

5 күн бұрын

But he just said 15 bucks.

If copper were present in gas pumps and thieves attempted to steal it, authorities would likely impose immediate and stringent penalties, responding more swiftly to such incidents.

The only way this will be fixed is if the law is enforced. Once people start facing consequences for this it will become much less frequent.

Should I go to Seattle to film all of the EV chargers with cut cables? What do you think the solution is when the police are clearly not taking this seriously?

@Silverado_EV_ChEVy_Avalanche

5 күн бұрын

🦮🐕Have one of Boston dynamics guard dogs, patrol, each charging location with a paintball gun mounted to its back. Ready to attack whenever someone is doing something dumb. One solution could be maybe some sort of shielding on the side of the cable that makes it difficult to cut. They could also make sure there’s always electricity running through so that the person gets the shock of their life when they try to cut the cables. But on a more serious note: cameras mounted on each charging station along with a voice that comes on saying that the stations are being monitored by the authorities.

@CD0914

5 күн бұрын

Yes! Ideally, I think, a BYO cable situation would be great, but if people forget, loose, etc, that cable. Well....there you go. Another cool, but possibly expensive, and maybe not even workable idea, would be a cable that retracts into the dispenser, or have a door that that the cable goes into (the charger) when done charging. Hopefully this all makes sense. Thanks for the video.

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

Yes. Please do. I posted the following on a seperate thread in these comments. "The threshold for felony vandalism in Washington State starts at $1,500 in damages. However, even damage below $1,500 can be charged as a felony if it meets specific criteria like targeting certain types of property." If you can shame the city of Seattle for not dealing with a repeat felon that may make the police take action. It's the only way it's gonna stop. Maybe get an audience with the police chief, or the mayor. If they won't talk to you a local news hound should be receptive.

@joepalmer1594

5 күн бұрын

​@@Silverado_EV_ChEVy_Avalanche Paintball gun? I was thinking double pack Taser!😊

@andyzegerman

5 күн бұрын

Though there might be little to prevent it, I believe that shining more light and awareness on it could increase the risk for those doing it.

Cable theft in the Seattle-area has gotten so bad that EVgo has said they won't bother replacing cables until the problem is solved. Starbucks HQ had their Chargepoint cables stolen and another nearby Starbucks-Volvo station had its cables cut within a week of the station opening.

@latent4407

5 күн бұрын

Fake news. Crime is down in all major cities and the police, prosecutors, DA are tougher on criminals than ever before. The economy is great, so there is no reason for theft. Please stop noticing things.

@macbook802

5 күн бұрын

I imagine a "trailer park boys" type crew hiring all of the greasy people in the park to strip ev cables

@ettcha

5 күн бұрын

I think that's the best they can do until law enforcement takes down the buyers and prosecute the thieves. Otherwise, if charging networks keep replacing cables, the thieves will keep farming those chargers and eventually make a neat sum of money

@Beastw1ck

5 күн бұрын

Just keep the cables energized at all times 🤷

@4rwayner7

5 күн бұрын

Back in the day owners put razor blades on fender skirts and cops went after car owners.

if EV charging stations weren't isolated deserts devoid of anything that would encourage owners to hang around while charging, this would disappear instantly. i've only had my Kia Niro EV for 11 months and i'm aghast at how unwelcoming EVERY charging station i've ever seen is. no protection from weather, often stuck somewhere out of the way, etc. makes for the ideal site for unobserved theft.

@jfbeam

5 күн бұрын

Bull. Guy pulls into empty charging spot, gets out, cuts cable, leaves. Are you going to do a damned thing to stop him?

Biggest problem is there’s also almost no punishment

@shou635

5 күн бұрын

This is right here. So simple.

@waatup

5 күн бұрын

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@taranlathrop7753

5 күн бұрын

Let's defund the police further and reelect democrats

@godslove7708

3 күн бұрын

What do you want these people to have their hands removed. Theft has been going on forever. Build a better cable one that is harder to cut. Or hide these EV pumps in the ground until a customer needs it to charge their vehicle. Get smarter then the thieves.

@waatup

3 күн бұрын

@@godslove7708 that’s like saying just be tougher to murder victims lol. Laws have well defined punishments for these things but they are not enforced. In addition to grand theft, intentional destruction of electric/transportation infrastructure can be considered terrorism

They need to add a sense wire so that the station knows when the cable is cut. At that point it can sound a very loud alarm, which might discourage the perpetrator from cutting the rest of the cables at the site. It could also mark the station as offline so that people wouldn't expect it to be working when they showed up.

@jamesrsnyder6951

4 күн бұрын

Sense wire, absolutely.........a complete stupid oversite as to why it was not included already. A Loud alarm could be problematic at some locations.

What is up with the US Police system, seems quite dysfunctional? Things like this would be heavily investigated and handled seriously in Sweden

@bjackson1975

5 күн бұрын

The US is huge, this is not a universal problem in America. Seattle however has a problem in that they don’t want to prosecute crime, they chose to defund the police, crazies walk the streets and attack random people. Great job Seattle..

@skyemalcolm

5 күн бұрын

The police themselves were politicized and stepped away from their duties in some regions. Seattle and Portland were emblematic of this after the summer of 2020 and it’s perhaps not coincidence that the cable theft overlaps in that region.

@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation

5 күн бұрын

Police have Better things to do !

@Matt-ww9bb

5 күн бұрын

Police have better things to do.

@keco185

5 күн бұрын

There was a whole “defund the police” moment specifically in Washington and Oregon after the George Floyd protests in 2020

Make it a felony to damage a charger, once one guy is prosecuted it will stop.

@KosherFinance

5 күн бұрын

Omg RACIST😢

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

It is a felony in Washington State if you vandalize in excess of $1,500. These acts would qualify as felonies.

@noewiy4524

5 күн бұрын

It already is a felony based on damage in $. The problem is that Seattle police don’t actually arrest people because they’re too worried about catching discrimination charges if the arrested party is a member of any protected group (pretty much everyone in Seattle is a member of one protected group or another)

@downix

5 күн бұрын

​@noewiy4524 That is nonsense. Seattle PD is infamous for targeting minorities, to the point I am more confident that they know the thief isn't a minority, hence the lack of interest. After all, since when has risk of suit stopped SPD before?

@krakken-

5 күн бұрын

This should qualify as a felony already, based on the damages. The felony threshold is $1500, which is less than the cost of a single cable.

$15 is $15...thieves aren't doing analysis on the reward of their labor. As a high voltage contractor, we see 12kV cables cut often. here in Southern California. Funny thing for them is 2 fold...1 - if it's energized, with load...BOOM!!! Huge fireball (and they get what they deserve), 2 - if it's a new install and not yet energized, Southern California Edison underground wire is primarily aluminum with small concentric stranded copper that we use as the neutral on the outside of the insulation/semi con layer. But that's what they know about and think the entire cable is copper. But just like a charging cable, they'll get very little reward for all the cable they cut. High Voltage cables are mostly insulation with a rather small conductor at the center. But, again, thieves aren't thinking rationally so it's an uphill battle to help them make an educational decision to steal something else 🤣 Hope they figure out it's not worth their time as you said, it hurts the rate of adoption for an EV transition. Very cool of EA to reach out to you! Great PSA video. Keep up the great content as always!

@meikgeik

5 күн бұрын

Nevada here, I've seen the cables discarded on the side of the road. I saw footage of someone stealing cables from 5 locations and coal rolls his diesel truck on the way out. He's just some anti-EV politically radicalized person. It's clearly not even about the money, some peole are just assholes.

@mrdeadworry

5 күн бұрын

@@meikgeik This! This is the real reason this is happening not the money made!

@ericnewton5720

5 күн бұрын

EV charger cables are nothing like what you’ve exampled, they are high voltage and high amperage, and have to be flexible so they know they are full of fat copper.

@hazmatt81

5 күн бұрын

@@ericnewton5720 right, but like Kyle stated, $15 worth of copper. Not worth it to you and I but to thieves it’s more than they started with. I was just making an example that thieves don’t care. They think all of it is loaded with copper. I’m fully aware of how those cables are as I’ve installed plenty of Tesla super charger sites and ChargePoint sites here in So Cal.

@hagestad

5 күн бұрын

i call bullshit on a market price of those. Rest of that cable is basically plastic/synthetic rubber. That sounds like 2000% markup

I used an EA station last week that has a sign on the dispenser stating "no high value metals".

Are they stealing them for copper or just vandalizing to prove how superior gas cars are?

@phillyphil1513

4 күн бұрын

A: yes...

@Hotspur37

4 күн бұрын

my thougts as well

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

copper theft has been a problem before electric cars where a thing. Ask any electrician

@allangibson8494

3 күн бұрын

@@JD-yx7beAsk anyone who has a new house built - and had the wiring stolen out of the walls.

@murraymadness4674

2 күн бұрын

Or making a point about the charging unit not working --- again..and again and again, well they will not miss this cable that never works...right?

Why not add a wire loop in the cable. If it is cut, an alarm would go off. Either at the individual stations or at the whole site. Also turn on video cameras.

@SueBobChicVid

5 күн бұрын

I'm sure that's possible, but it requires a redesign and replacement of existing hardware.

@joshuaspires9252

5 күн бұрын

@@SueBobChicVid you say that but replacement is happening every cable lost.

@SueBobChicVid

5 күн бұрын

@@joshuaspires9252 It's a good argument. There needs to be hardware added for the loop circuit detection in the control box too. I'm sure a bean counter could do a cost analysis to see where the break-even point is. But it is not as simple as adding a wire loop to each cable they replace. And I expect it will not affect how many cables are stolen (no added deterrent).

@joshuaspires9252

5 күн бұрын

@@SueBobChicVid So a detail you may miss, is that their is communication for the cable already. So a example charge point has a IO board at the top of the cable just inside the cabinet. that comes with a new cable every replacement. so the interface to the cabinet is already their. Thus they only would have to revise their cable.

@garycard1826

5 күн бұрын

Another great Idea!

You can’t steal more cables if you no longer have any hands. 😂

They should keep the cables energized ⚡

EA should welcome the "cable theft" issue. They can now blame a legit reason why their charging stations never work.

The solution is simple, just make sure the cables are always live, 400 volts will do the trick.

@dpav02

5 күн бұрын

Then they’ll get sued and it states like California and Washington, they’ll win. Also, that’s a LOT of wasted energy.

@Skylancer727

5 күн бұрын

Well person did that and it didn't work. Plus it's only live if plugged in. If people can just unplug it before they cut it will change nothing. Not to mention now you have waste energy that the charge suppliers have to eat. Better answer is just have the wire coiled into the station with the handle just locking to the unit. Can't unlock till after you give your payment info.

@ulwur

5 күн бұрын

Wasted energy?

@ab-tf5fl

4 күн бұрын

I don't think that would be safe. If the cable were live when not charging a car, any person accidentally touching the DC pins while plugging in would get zapped. This is why DC cables lock to the car during charging and refuse to unlock until sensors have confirmed that no power is flowing through the cables. Anytime high power is flowing through the cables, having them locked to the vehicle ensures that nobody kills themselves touching something they shouldn't be touching.

@AmperageY

6 сағат бұрын

@@dpav02keep in mind it would save $2k per cable and the expense could be worth it, also it can run very low amperage just voltage is needed here to do the trick and thus reduce power expense

Provide Police departments highly discounted kwhs so they convert more squad cars to EVs so they more frequently visit charging stations!

@garycard1826

5 күн бұрын

Great idea!

Scrap yards need to recognize what they are taking in,

@slash196

5 күн бұрын

If scrap yards had to stop buying stolen shit they'd all go out of business.

@Dutch84

5 күн бұрын

Honestly, how would they know. It's not like people are turning in the cable to them. All the scrap yard sees is copper wire. Who is to say the person didn't get the copper legitimately.

@phillyphil1513

4 күн бұрын

unfortunately copper wire theft ain't like the "scourge" of Catalytic Converter theft that we've had since 2020.

That station has two days worth of meth. Add to that, Grandma wont let them in her house anymore since they stole her jewelry.... That's why they are stealing them.

@anthonyc8499

5 күн бұрын

Exactly. The charging cables are just free money for the taking. If you live in a tent and having nothing but time, then it's not a problem to strip out the copper.

@macbook802

5 күн бұрын

But guys it's cost 6k for electrify America to replace that two days of meth. It's not a fair trade

@zilfondel

5 күн бұрын

You're so on point. And to add to that, the guy had the typical meth dog - a brown pit bull. I bet this guy talks to himself and yells at the sky too.

@ericnewton5720

5 күн бұрын

EA, being a government agency will find a way to pay the most money for the least value. EA needs to fail so the real free market in EV chargers can succeed.

@richardjohnson8009

5 күн бұрын

And it refills, its like a gold mine

It's a shame we have reached this point but sounds like the only solution is hardening the charging stations against such vulnerabilities. 1. Cameras 2. Alarms 3. Making the cable inaccessible until a valid customer enters credentials 4. Punishment and prosecution when all else fails Tho I also suspect some of these "thefts" are not for monetary gain but instead just the anti EV crowd taking out their childish insecurities on us.

Copper theft has been an issue for years. It doesn’t matter how much copper is in it. Over 20 years ago my wife worked at a day care center that when they went to turn on the air conditioner that was in a fenced area when the HVAC person went too look at the unit it was just gone stolen for the copper. There is a bridge in Southern California I just saw a news article on that the local government can’t keep the street lights on because they keep stealing the wire. As someone who worked over 30 years in correctional facilities both county and state, I’m surprised it has taken so long for this to start. I personally would like to see statistics for other crime at these charging stations. If this isn’t an issue now, I almost guarantee it will be soon. Your appeal to would be cord cutters is at best naive. They don’t care, criminals are going too take your stuff, especially if it is just out in the open with little to no witnesses , that’s why San Francisco residents have stopped locking there cars that way the windows aren’t broken to rifle through their stuff. The Prius guy may just have an axe to grind because they make better looking cars too virtue signal with, or you just find it hard to believe a criminal drives a Prius. I think both Ed Kemper, and Ted Bundy drove VW bugs, when I was a kid that was the car hippies drove 😂

@spankeyfish

5 күн бұрын

It was obvious this would be a problem as soon as chargers with fixed cables were being installed in numbers. The only economical way to avoid it is for each car to carry its own cable and have a socket on the charger. Can't steal a cable that's not there.

@jamesphillips2285

5 күн бұрын

@@spankeyfish That is apparently what they do in Europe.

@UnnDunn

5 күн бұрын

@@jamesphillips2285only for AC chargers, not for DC Fast Chargers.

@jamesrsnyder6951

4 күн бұрын

@@spankeyfish those cables are thick, heavy and very expensive. This is due to the high current that needs to be carried. So it would not be economical for vehicle owners and not realistic to expect drivers to store and handle the cables.

@jamesrsnyder6951

4 күн бұрын

@@jamesphillips2285 Not with high power cables like at the fast chargers. those cables are thick, heavy and very expensive. This is due to the high current that needs to be carried. So it would not be economical for vehicle owners and not realistic to expect drivers to store and handle the cables.

EA should know instantly when a cable is cut. There is at least one temperature sensor in the connector, and obviously the reading for that sensor will go out of bounds when the cable is cut, if they don't already monitor it for that they should. (From that video of the Supercharger cables being cut we see that Tesla turns the light off on the charger about 15 seconds after the cable is cut.)

This is reflective of a bigger issue in society which is the perception by many that theft and vandalism is acceptable. It starts early in life with either poor or no parenting and It is reinforced when there are no consequences for their actions.

@ST-cy6we

5 күн бұрын

How about electing prosecutors who will, you know, prosecute

@TKevinBlanc

5 күн бұрын

It's drugs. Maybe one of the biggest issues in American society.

@JayCAlan

5 күн бұрын

@@TKevinBlanc Like 90% of crime can be traced back to drugs (a statistic I just made up but is probably close)

@beyondfossil

5 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, bad human behavior is an even harder problem to fix than climate change! 😮

@ST-cy6we

5 күн бұрын

@@TKevinBlanc Thankfully, we ended the "remain in Mexico" policy and now the drugs can run over our border freely. It's a good thing..

Kyle's version of "a short" 😂 LOVE IT!

I recently planned a drive to Roswell NM in my M3 and I noted that Plugshare stated that the cables to the Francis Energy DCFCs had been cut. I phoned the gas station that hosted the DCFCs and asked them to inspect the cables...they did so and confirmed that the cables had been cut. I then phoned Francis Energy and informed them... and this was the first that they'd heard of it!!! It took over a month for the cables to be repaired.

This is happening all over. Not just EV charge cables. It’s street lights and traffic signals as well.

@steverogers8163

5 күн бұрын

Yes I saw a report from down in LA apparently thieves have stolen all the copper wiring in that new overpass bridge over the rail yard they built a few years ago.

This is what happens when you decriminalize stupidity.

1 Charging stations should have 4K security cameras fixed on their charging station lots. 2 Make the crime a felony for both state and federal courts. Charge them with both jail time AND a fine to the amount necessary to fix or replace the damaged chargers. 3 Retractable cables and plugs at all charging stations ... even destination chargers, I can't count how often I see these cables just laying all over the ground. I'd wager that most people doing this aren't doing it for money they are doing it because they don't like EVs or Tesla/Elon or specific EV stations.

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

nope, copper theft has been a problem for decades. I worked as an electrician and had to replace stolen lines often before even the tesla roadster existed

The cables are probably dumped in a pile and never even cashed in. These aren't "copper thieves" so much as they are saboteurs. These are the people who complain that they would never buy an EV because the charging stations are always broken.

@amyself6678

Күн бұрын

Well, if Dems admit they're gonna try to ban my choice of normal car wont person be angry and fight back w EV vandalism? It's human nature. You start to ban meat you can bet people will vandalize vegan stores. You are pissing off 100 million people and 1% will fight back in dumb ways... It's not right, buy it's human...

You can bet the police would get involved if someone was cutting gas station hoses off

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

doubtful, gas stations get robbed all the time

My practical side is suggesting that the solution is for more surveillance and law enforcement involvement. My Murica side is saying that we counter theft or copper with expenditure of lead.

The cable should come out of the cabinet once payment is established.

Best way to stop it? Call your congress representatives, call your mayor, bring it up in town hall meetings. Push on your local leaders long enough and they’ll make it a priority.

@murraymadness4674

2 күн бұрын

Why does the government have anything to do with this problem? Are you calling them about how often these things don't work?

It doesn't matter how many videos you make about this, don't expect thieves to have enough IQ to understand there is no benefit. When they steal, they don't think, but they see a thick cable and an opportunity, same when they steal anything else... Like a bag inside a car and they decide to break the glass... There is never a benefit, but there is no brain, except misleading rumors between thieves. It's like an infection that is impossible to stop.

@Skylancer727

5 күн бұрын

I mean $15 a wire is actually pretty good value. How many things can you steal that you can both easily run off with yet are worth over $10? And this guy went to a station and cut basically the entire station making nearly $200 in less than 30 minutes. That's better pay than most actual jobs.

@thiseye

5 күн бұрын

Is it really about the copper though or about something more sinister to discourage EV adoption? It probably is about the quick cash but wouldn't be surprised if it's being encouraged/promoted quietly by special interests

@tjncooke

5 күн бұрын

@@Skylancer727 Gotta remember, he has to process the cable to get the copper out. It's probably a pretty big pain and takes time, which cuts down on the $/hr. But maybe it's the fact that scrap yards may not ask questions, where as eBay might start asking for documentation if you try to offload your stolen retail goods there.

@macbook802

5 күн бұрын

Exactly.

@Foersom_

5 күн бұрын

9:30 "AI" to detect charger not used for a while? Why would that require AI? An algorithm can detect that?

I don't know if anybody else here has suggested this already (1000+ comments as I type this) but charger manufacturers might want to find a way to have at least some electrical current running through the cable at all times. When thieves are found lying on the ground with industrial wire snips next to them and that becomes an increasingly common phenomenon, problem solved.

@coulomb3042

3 күн бұрын

One of the problems is that for the safety of EVs, the battery and chargers have to be floating with respect to earth (not totally sure about the chargers). So even if you were stupid enough to cut the cable while a vehicle is charging, I think you wouldn't actually get shocked. The biggest danger is from molten copper shooting everywhere, and ultra violet light from the high current arc. Plus a really huge bang. And your cable cutter is totally ruined. I suppose for theft limitation you could put a voltage with respect to earth on the cables, and take it away immediately that the vehicle is plugged in. You could possibly even be humane and make it non-lethal, but instead just really, really unpleasant. And you could detect the breach and activate cameras etc. But the first time some dude with a weak heart dies, the charger manufacturers could be in big trouble. Really I think that the most practical solution is to include a very thin wire that loops from inside the charger, out to the plug, and back on itself. As soon as the cable is cut, that breaks the loop, sets off an alarm, you could have flash cameras go off, make a big fuss. Maybe play a MP3 through horn loudspeakers of how law enforcement has been notified, your picture is published, and you're going to prison.

@murraymadness4674

2 күн бұрын

you really don't get it. They use battery cutoff wheels, you won't get shocked at all, it will just spark. Have you ever cut a live wire????

Maybe it’s not about the copper, rather anti-EV

@karlhering1298

5 күн бұрын

Considering the profits, I'm guessing you are right. Especially for the repeater, who has seen how little copper they're actually is...

@tjsean0308

5 күн бұрын

@Kyleconner This is certainly part of the issue here in Seattle.

@ericnewton5720

5 күн бұрын

I think it’s mostly copper theft not vandalizing. Nevada is prob more vandalizing than theft.

@Snerdles

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, those crack addicts really have a hate on for EVs.

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

ask any electrician copper theft has always been a problem

Damage to infrastructure is prosecuted severly here in the UK. Because it affects society. The police in any given country have a duty to serve society, and go after criminals.

I hate to be the one to have to inform people but you can't just throw enforcement at the problem and expect it to go away. Police in this country are actually really well funded, they get about half of the average municipal budget. We spend more on policing than almost any other country in the world and we have more of our population in prison than almost any country in the world, and crime still happens. You can't even really economically disincentivize it, this Prius guy is going around destroying a $2,000 cable that's going to cost probably hundreds of additional dollars in labor to replace and costing probably dozens of hours of lost time for EV drivers just so he can waste a lot of his own time picking through the cable very carefully to extract about $20 worth of copper. He's probably driving a Prius because that's the only way that he can not spend more money on gas driving around than he gets from the crime.

@zilfondel

5 күн бұрын

How does enforcement not solve the problem? We have a situation where one guy has stolen 97 cables. If he were in jail, he would no longer be stealing cables. It's not like there's a huge list of cable thieves.

@ericnewton5720

5 күн бұрын

What if he does it to get the work? 5head.

@tomhoots

5 күн бұрын

To quote just about every battery electric vehicle driver in the comments on KZread: "And I never have to go to a gas station, ever again!" DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE AT GASOLINE STATIONS? "Staff." "Human beings." WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU EXPECT with the concept that battery electric vehicle charging stations must sit around abandoned, at all hours of the day and night? HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU EXPECT that these aren't targets for anyone who wants to make a few quick bucks? HERE'S ONE THING TO INVESTIGATE: By all means, find out how many of these "cable thieves" have been arrested, let alone convicted and served any time incarcerated? "Good luck with that."

@AlRoderick

5 күн бұрын

@@tomhoots We don't actually want them to be sitting around abandoned all day, that's certainly not a choice we'd have made if we'd been allowed to choose where the chargers go. We'd be thrilled If more charging stations were located by a nice convenience store or a restaurant, or at least a place with shade and a bathroom. Entirely too many chargers are located in isolated places where you can't safely access any kind of service on foot, and they're placed there because the land was cheap, or possibly because that was the only place the high voltage grid connection could go. Although at least a few of these chargers that have been targeted seem to be located at existing service stations, and the fact that we got footage of him doing the crime means that they are already under observation.

@ab-tf5fl

4 күн бұрын

@@tomhoots To be fair, many of the newer EV charging stations are, in fact, at gas stations, so benefit from whatever staff and amenities the gas station has. (I don't see it with EA, but I do with other brands).

Why can’t they imbed a smal gauge wire in the cable. Essentially a loop ➰ so when it gets cut the charger would know.

@LaserFur

5 күн бұрын

they could

@macbook802

5 күн бұрын

A loop that explodes when tampered with dousing the entire area with pepper spray

@tedgray489

5 күн бұрын

@@macbook802 Better yet... purple stain that is dispensed at face/eye level that can't be washed off.

@supergeek02468

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, I don’t buy that EA can’t detect this. There are temperature probes in the cable that will no longer report valid data once the cable is cut

The thieves are facing felony charges if caught due to the cost of the cables.

If you count your time reading the comments it is about an hour long video! Thanks Kyle!

Your videos are solid, keep up the good work

@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation

5 күн бұрын

No it$ NOT ! we Must Charge EV Parking Fee's Per Hour $20-$50 as u wait to be recharged / will DO to pay for 24/7 manned private guards on station.

@ericnewton5720

5 күн бұрын

And shorter. Over 15 min is too long and really just sounds like he likes hearing himself talk.

@2020PorscheTaycan4S

3 күн бұрын

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3 күн бұрын

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@2020PorscheTaycan4S

3 күн бұрын

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I seriously doubt this is theft. There are a lot of people who hate EVs. Vandalism is more probable explanation. Another reason to develop wireless charging and take the option for theft/vandalism out of the equation…

I have two ideas for the charge point operators albeit at their cost - one reactive and the second proactive. 1. Install surveillance cameras at each charging station. If vandal caught on camera doing any damage to the charging unit, post video on social media and shame them. (I would even consider posting footage of people ICE'ing a charging stall.) 2. Have the charging cable retract into the unit when not in use.

We can't rule out that it's simply just anti-ev vandalism. Even if there's little value in it, there's 100% reward in the d-bag sending a message.

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

minimum wage is $7/hr stealing a copper cable is $15 in 5 minutes.

@Matt-Ionman

4 күн бұрын

@@JD-yx7be it's not if you still have to dig into the rest of the cable and retrieve the copper, then find a way to sell it. So take out half the value in time and fuel costs

When a crime is not punished quickly, people feel it is safe to do wrong.

Good topic. More awareness is always preferable to ignorance.

If you live in an area that does not enforce the laws due to your politicians, this is what happens. You get what you vote for.

@Jcewazhere

2 күн бұрын

Yup kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnd508yReZS5fM4.html

Mixed metal is a pain to recycle. so copper plating AL strands would lower the resale value more than the value of the copper or the AL. Add in a few strands of steel and it would be a mess to recycle. edit: and even if you add a few AL strands and a few steel strands the result would be a wire that could be identified. Sure there is still catalytic converter theft, but that has a higher value. reducing the shiny copper to the mixed metal price would lower the value.

@FB-rn1bn

5 күн бұрын

This is the idea I've heard by far. Sounds inexpensive ,once the cable manufactures are set up for it and makes the product of theft not worth the effort.

@SirOsisofLiver

5 күн бұрын

Most of the utilities I've worked with have replaced the old stranded copper ground conductors with copper clad steel. It's essentially worthless as far as theft. The difficulty with aluminum is it doesn't like to be manipulated and tends to fracture with repeated bending. But I'm sure some material's science guy could come up with some alloy that would do the trick. The chargers could have the cables on reels. They'd be locked inside the unit until a payment card is swiped and account confirmed. Added expense for the companies though.

@rcjbvermilion

5 күн бұрын

​@@SirOsisofLiver even if the other steel or aluminum cables weren't energized, they could just be there to mess with the recyclers.

@jamesrsnyder6951

4 күн бұрын

For theft it sounds like a possibility, but for future recycling it is also a problem.

@LaserFur

4 күн бұрын

@@jamesrsnyder6951 Radiators with AL fin with copper tuning are already recycled. The steel would end up in the bottom of the melt.

There are currently FOUR EA stations that are completely knocked out by this! Screw this guy, honestly.

You should email the news stations here in Seattle with a link to your video. This is the type of things news stations love to run with.

This Video is 15 Minutes Long (Don't Get Use to It) Felt like there was an error with Out Of Spec Reviews video.

@AaronStarkLinux

5 күн бұрын

The shortest video in the Kyle's history 😂

@thiseye

5 күн бұрын

A big reason I'm watching this one tbh. Usually I have to carefully think about whether I want to invest a quarter of my day on the video's topic and/or whether the kids will let me watch it to completion before I get distracted

@dpav02

5 күн бұрын

Yea for most out of spec videos I scrub through. I don’t have 3 hours to see how a car drives. For that I mostly go to TFL.

@Neojhun

5 күн бұрын

@@dpav02 I listen / watch out of spec videos like a podcast in the background. 2 hours is about the max i'd go through the whole thing. 1 hour plus is the sweet spot.

I suspect it’s more about EV haters. Vandalism. Not copper acquisition/profiting. What about putting tracking tags into the cables?

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

copper theft has been a problem long before EVs existed.

@SCWgreg

4 күн бұрын

@@JD-yx7be I think everyone understands that. But in this case, I would think if it was about copper theft, it would be even more rampant. More wide spread, and would’ve been happening years ago. Hard to say for sure. Could be a mix of reasons.

Adding an AirTag to the charging cable handle might be an easy solution.

The plugs have temperature sensors so the charger can immediately detect & report a cut cable. Maybe they should add indelible dye to the coolant on cooled cables.

As a Soul EV owner, I feel the pain over the loss of Chademo. I used this very spot more than a few times over the years.

The way to fix this is don’t expose the cables without valid charge session. Easy. Create a steel locker with electric controlled lock that unlocks when the charger session is ready.

Sounds like a job for AI. When it sees someone approaching carrying loppers, it energizes the cable, then sells the fireworks video to pay for new ones.

In February, I was in Hayward, CA visiting my aunt. I rented an electric car, a Solterra BTW, to get an idea of range anxiety before buying an EV. I was excited to see a large bank of EVGo chargers in the parking lot of the nearby grocery store. However when I went to charge, 10 out of the 12 chargers were vandalized with the charging cables missing. Of course, the entire bank was shutdown. My family said the incident made the news but I have no idea if the police were able to locate the culprits.

This reaction from Seattle police makes the “defund the police “ crowd sound more reasonable. Why pay for cops who refuse to do their job?

@MarkTrain-hw2xt

5 күн бұрын

It is not the police, it is Freeattles local DA and city gov already have the reputation of no law enforcement, the problem is in many lefty run cities.

@michaelterrazas1325

5 күн бұрын

The defund people said to not enforce vandalism laws... This is what they wanted. To me, this is WHY the defund movement was so stupidly unreassonable.

@pondking2801

4 күн бұрын

The defund the police wanted the police to stop beating up and arresting minorities for no reason. They want to fund real police work, not thugs on a power trip.

@Jcewazhere

2 күн бұрын

Yup kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnd508yReZS5fM4.html

Why the hell isn’t this guy being identified, prosecuted, and jailed? Do felonies not count as important in Seattle? Not a place I would want to live if they don’t take felonies seriously. Why are they paying the cop’s salary if they do nothing?

@Skylancer727

5 күн бұрын

Crime rate is high there so petty theft is thought of as almost a waste of resources with how much they deal with crime, domestic violence, and public endangerment. You see similar in New Jersey where begging is rarely punished so much that they're everywhere.

@eddiegardner8232

5 күн бұрын

This does not address the fact that people who arrive at these charging stations at very low state of charge, expecting to continue their travel to safe resting spots, can get “trapped” at these stations, some of which are in unsafe locations to walk away from, especially in dangerously cold winter conditions. Does someone have to die or be killed before the cops take these crimes seriously?

@colonelboyle

5 күн бұрын

Most of the blame is with the prosecutors who refuse the charge the few people the police do arrest

@ST-cy6we

5 күн бұрын

It isn't the cops who are the problem. It's the mayor, the city council, and the DA.. Arresting anyone does nothing if the Soros-funded DA won't prosecute .

@rchender

5 күн бұрын

Another point to make is whether the theft of cables is a felony or misdemeanor,, the Soros-elected DA's refuse to prosecute, so they simply let arrested thiefs out of jail!

Put chargers at gas stations along with gas pumps. Unsupervised chargers in the middle of a parking lot are almost asking to be messed with. Not only that, it's a personal security problem to be sitting in your car, charging at night, with no one around and no way to escape.

EV charging is quite literally critical infrastructure and destruction of chargers should result in very harsh penalties. It's a shame police don't seem to care. Millions and millions of our tax dollars going to them just to get a "🤷‍♂️" is absolutely wild to me

This will hopefully transition us to wireless charging faster.

I believe that it is more politically motivated sabotage than economically motivated theft.

What we need to do is in cases of vandalism or petty theft the punishment should be a fine of 10 times the amount of damages done. The money to be put into a fund to compensate victims. If they don't pay then their paycheck should be garnished for as long as it takes.

Edmonton Canada has had dozens of cables cut in the past year. 😢

Maybe the solution is going to be connectors on both ends and everyone just brings their own cable

@anthonyc8499

5 күн бұрын

Bring your own cable only works for low power AC equipment of 240v and 50A or less. These DC chargers are sophisticated liquid cooled cables doing 300A-500A of current and 800v.

@Skylancer727

5 күн бұрын

@@anthonyc8499 There are solid fast chargers that don't need liquid cooling. The downside is they cost way more than these thinner wires and are even harder to handle. They only use liquid cooling because it's cheaper to have cooling for an under rated wire than pay for the full thing.

@panameradan6860

5 күн бұрын

The solution is full-time attendants like at gas stations … when unattended late at night, have the cables retracted & locked

@Skylancer727

5 күн бұрын

@panameradan6860 yeah I'll never understand why we design chargers nothing like gas stations where you pull through, can buy snacks, and can pay in cash if for some reason your cards aren't working.

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

@@Skylancer727 What good would that do if the Police to not get involved when called?

The drug users do not care what effects their actions have on anyone else. The only care is to make a small amount of money to feed their addiction. If any tesla users want to start parking teslas near the superchargers one week to get the evidence to get the person arrested and filing a group criminal case.

Make the cables retractable. It won't come out without payment details loaded.

Here's a solution: have the Federal Government (or State) reimburse the charge equipment provider for the cost of vandalism. The Government then funds the cost of the reimbursement program with an increase in the gasoline tax. Everyone will then be onboard with protecting this infrastructure. Get your Legislators to make this happen.

I'm thinking more along the lines of sabotage than copper theft; perhaps a disgruntled technician or an extreme environmental activist (no cars are good cars).

@rericson9882

5 күн бұрын

I agree with your take, maybe just anti EV in general. Pulling up in a Prius is a decoy.

In Norway many of the chargers are close to 24/7 “Energy” stations. Toilet and food is more important than cheap power according to surveys.

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

norway has far less crime in general

1. Add a button on the UI to report the cable cut/in-operative 2. Security cameras for the lot

Proud 1973 Buick Electra 225 owner here ☺️

Perhaps this guy needs his Catalytic converter stolen. Call it Karma. Isn’t the Prius the #1 targeted vehicles for this. $100 worth of raw materials, but costs over $2000.00 to replace from Toyota.

@spankeyfish

5 күн бұрын

The car is almost certainly stolen. He won't bother fixing it, he'll just steal another.

Always wondered why they don't just have the wires pull into the station and have the handle lock to it till you paid. I imagine such large cables bending may be difficult, but it should still be possible.

@MrGmilton

5 күн бұрын

That is literally the only thing that would work, all the comments on here are not going to help. Police can’t and won’t stop this, meth heads have all the time to steal and strip copper.

@macbook802

5 күн бұрын

It'd arouse too many people

@steverogers8163

5 күн бұрын

its completely possible. the cables are literally shipped to them from the factory on giant spools.

@christianp5486

5 күн бұрын

Or just provide an outlet for people to plug in their own cable.

@viraeternus

5 күн бұрын

I think they do that for level 2 charging in Europe. A lot of people have double ended cables for this since some of the charging stations just have a port socket. At least you don’t have to worry about the cable not long enough, you could get your own length of cable for the car….then the bastards would break into your car to steal the stupid copper cable. I don’t know what’s worse. Just make the lines live, at maximum amperage. And the people we find fried like fish and chips are the ones who are doing it. 😂

The cable theft may owed a gas station.😁

To reduce the incidence of this kind of theft, replace the charger cables with aluminum cables! I suggested this a few weeks ago, and the most important disadvantage is that aluminum would be stiffer and heavier. Heavier because aluminum is 60% as conductive as copper. The stiffness can be addressed by using thinner strands in the cables. Might take a little engineering time to get it acceptably sleek.

@rcjbvermilion

5 күн бұрын

No good. Aluminum has too high of a resistance. The cables would either get too hot or they'd have to run a lower amperage, increasing charge times.

@wallykramer7566

5 күн бұрын

@@rcjbvermilion I am a trained electrical engineer. To handle the increased resistance, doubling the ampacity of a conductor is more than enough. Read about aluminum wire at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_building_wiring

@JD-yx7be

4 күн бұрын

could just put them behind a locked cabinet until payment is approved.

@pondking2801

4 күн бұрын

Aluminum cable will break when flexed too much.

I’ve been saying for years, apparently to deaf ears (including out of spec), that BEVs will not take off for the masses unless/until fast-charging stations convert to the gas-station model of having full-time attendants (with all the benefits that come with that, including restrooms, food, windshield-washing supplies, ability to pay by credit card and cash, to help handicapped & senior customers who have limited strength/mobility, ability to immediately fix or get repairs for a broken charger, and of course provide safety for both the chargers and the customers). And ubiquitous canopies to protect from rain and sunlight, as you have at most gas stations, is a necessity, not just a convenience. This current model of unattended chargers will fail if not changed, and mass adoption of BEVs will never take off without it; spending billions of dollars to build out charging stations in the unattended form is largely a waste of money ... it's best to spend a decent portion of that to build up the site of each charging station, not just throw in charging stations without the on-site support.

@muskrat3291

5 күн бұрын

That is already kind of happening with Circle K, Shell, 7-Eleven, Pilot Flying J and others installing charging at their sites.

@henrymalong4542

5 күн бұрын

Spot on.

@user-wu3hg9we3y

5 күн бұрын

The gas station/supercharger system of charging EV's sucks. EV's should be charged where people are going to stop anyway. The supercharger system of making people go out of their way and sit there twiddling their thumbs while the vehicle charges is stupid. Most modern vehicle manufactures track where their vehicles stop and how long they stay there. It's not rocket science to put chargers in convenient places.

@covetthecamper2289

5 күн бұрын

This is already happening.

@pstoppani

5 күн бұрын

I agree and the faster this happens the better for EVERYONE

They’re going to have to go after the people who buy the copper. I don’t know if the copper used in charging cables is identifiable in someway, but they are going to have to regulate the copper buyers to ensure they don’t buy copper sourced from cut cables. The only way to protect the cables themselves is with manned security. That’s the only thing that will actually work.

@ST-cy6we

5 күн бұрын

Yes, so they need to build charging stations that are like gas stations; a little store that has an employee. This will be paid for by the EV owners when they charge. Or you could vote in mayors and prosecutors who will actually fight crime.. you know, not Democrats.

@Skylancer727

5 күн бұрын

Gonna be hard to do as copper recycling is fairly common. But I guess the railroads somehow got away with that so maybe it is possible. In the US it's illegal to recycle anything that clearly belongs to the railroads. It's easy to steal from them as the railroads quite literally dump steel scrap beside the rails and leave it there and rail lines sit with no traffic for up to a few hours between trains.

@steverogers8163

5 күн бұрын

That is the main thing. Its really just one scrap yard somewhere that is accepting obviously stolen wire.

@ST-cy6we

5 күн бұрын

@@steverogers8163 It's probably not "obvious"...

@tkmedia3866

5 күн бұрын

I’m all for maned full service charging sites. That way I don’t have to spend all that time trying to get out of the car and charge.

A scrap merchant is never going to pay full value for that copper - for starters, they need to process it into a reusable form, and of COURSE they know it is stolen if someone is turning up regularly with these cables; places that have regular loads of scrap cable will be known companies with known reasons for having it - the place I worked would produce about 1 tonne of scrap cable off-cuts per month, from 8 of us panel wiremen producing industrial control panels.. The machines that can strip off the insulation on cable this thick arent cheap - so if the thieves want to strip it down themselves, it is a long, hard job - and hard work is what they are trying to avoid by stealing it in the first place. So the thought is - are they really stealing it to sell?? I have seen a few posts on social media when the cables were just cut, not stolen; is this just the anti-EV crowd taking it to the next level? (And if so, doesnt that technically make it a hate crime?)

I imagine this is more what they consider a moral statement rather than something for financial gain

Another reason why bringing your own AC cable makes sense.

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

What do you think would happen if you connected your AC cable to the DC charging equipment?

@shannonlawhorn1674

5 күн бұрын

@@JeanPierreWhite There are level 2 charging stations in Europe where you bring your own cable. I believe this is the type of infrastructure to which they are referring. We, in North America, seem to be obsessed with DC fast charging. And while we do need fast chargers for long travel, we would be far better served in a cost benefit way by pursuing extensive level 2 stations. If every home, apartment building, and employer provided access to level 2 chargers the vast majority of us would almost never need to DC fast charge.

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

@@shannonlawhorn1674 Referring to DC fast charging in NA as an obsession is hilarious. Europe has a much better DC fast charge network with several large operators maintaining reliable and extensive networks. In the US they are unreliable and now vandalized, only Tesla operate a decent network in the US, while in Europe they are one of many.

@4rwayner7

5 күн бұрын

Nobody is going to buy or haul a $1500 cable around.

@andersn8547

5 күн бұрын

@@JeanPierreWhite Why would I bring my AC cable to a DC charger?

How come the local cops are not doing under cover work to catch these people

When in Vegas early this year we saw a charger where a cable was cut and the station was full, so we ended up going to a different station.

My local Seattle EV station had 3 of 4 chargers missing their cables just last week. Seattle and it’s no consequences DA’s, judges, school board, and voters are to blame and we’re now nearly as bad as San Fran and LA. Thanks for your efforts on educating about EV’s. Love our solar panels and Ioniq5.

They need to stick an Apple Tag tracker in each cable…

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

That will reveal the cable is at a metal recycler. We kinda knew that anyway.

@concinnus

5 күн бұрын

@@JeanPierreWhite If the cable is still intact enough to include the tracker, the recycler is trafficking in clearly stolen goods and can be prosecuted easily.

@JeanPierreWhite

5 күн бұрын

@@concinnus You appear to assume all cables with a tracker are stolen. Routine replacement of cables due to faults etc will result in cables being recycled. How is the recycler meant to know the difference? I would hazard a guess that more cables are replaced as routine maintenance than is the case for vandalism except in a few hot spots like Puget Sound.

@concinnus

5 күн бұрын

@@JeanPierreWhite Anyone salvaging cables legitimately can easily demonstrate such, or they simply have their own separate channels. The also have the whole cable, no cut. They're not bringing in a dozen EV charging cables with the dispenser end cut off.

Kyle, one thing you miss on this topic is that many live in an age of survival. Like catalytic exhaust component theft here in western Canada which are gone in 60 seconds these cables take a bit to cut yet is far easier compared to finding empty beverage containers in areas where recycling happens, to come up with $18 in recycling takes all day or longer. The world increasingly is a world of people who have nothing Vs people who wreck a cybertruck just because. Not saying there is anything wrong with wasting one's money but many people have this as a unreachable dream. Not saying you wreck vehicles just making the point that $18 worth in 60 seconds is a windfall for those who have nothing. It's not up to the police to secure cables, let charge point providers look after their property the same way store owners secure their stores with security. Bottom line it's a sad reality of today's world. Also, your KZread won't increase the thefts as most people who commit these thefts do not have the time to read messages like this.

@slash196

5 күн бұрын

People stealing 18 bucks worth of copper are not poor, they're junkies.

Doesn't matter if the cables are only worth 10 cents. Thieves gotta be thieves.

Facial recognition cameras on every charging station

Yeah... cops in the PNW got their feelings hurt real bad during the pandemic and haven't worked since.

Perhaps there is a black market for the whole cable with connector. Somewhere in the world, low cost, low quality charging stations are being manufactured with cables that are about 3' shorter than in the USA.

I have been waiting for a company like Amber for a long- long time. Thank you!!!!

I have two ideas for slightly different problems. 1) have the connection to the charger and cable communicate when hung up. That would be on the holder where the plug sits. No communication means, not connected to a vehicle or not in the holder. I don't know what the time limit would be until the unit sends out no connection. App would show, cable not connected. 2) have a level 1 connection to unlock the parking spot at the cable. Everyone should have a level 1 cable in the car.