I appreciate the format of this video. I'd be nervous pressing down on that balance cock, to reseat that regulator arm, that a pivot would end up breaking. I'd take it out of the watch, remove the balance wheel then put that regulator assembly back together. Looks like you really need a watch cleaning machine.

@IMakeWatches

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for this comment. Yes, I had no idea what I was doing. I was looking at the same balance cock recently (out of the movement) and I completely agree: this was not something that I should have tried to fix in the movement. Oftentimes because the video cameras are rolling I try to white knuckle problems instead of taking the time to research them but this is of course never the correct approach to watchmaking!

I liked the voice over... i like the way you think...

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Uh oh! You're in trouble now... 😂😂😂

Excellent production values and overall a valuable tutorial. Well done🎉

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Are you doing watchmaking as a hobby, professionally, or just watching? Just curious!

This is great the talking is a must. Thank you. I see 1000 subs is looking close👏

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stuart!

Inspiring! I tore down a $10 Seiko Electra using my electronics tools and that solidified for me that this CANNOT be done without watchmakers tools, even if what you have is close.

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I totally agree. Especially tweezers. I started out trying to use steel electronics tweezers and even with a very fine tip they're just too stiff to safely grasp tiny screws and parts. For those reading this comment that may not understand why, the reason is you have to hold the part firmly just to keep the tweezers compressed, and that results in constant pressure on the small part. That pressure in turn can become a source of inertial acceleration if the part slips. When the part slips, the force you were using just to hold the part then collapses into the tip of the tweezers and ejects the part with a high velocity away from the tweezers. Fine tipped brass watchmakers tweezers are much less firm and close with very little force, and brass is much softer than steel so it actually grips steel parts, as-in it actually deforms a tiny, tiny bit on a molecular level and binds ever so slightly with the steel. Or that's my theory anyway. 😂😂😂 In any case, you can feel and experience the difference and it's very different and much better using proper watchmaker's tweezers (made by Dumont or Bergeon). Just also know that each of those brands also make tens of different types of tweezers. I mostly use a Dumont #4 brass tweezer made for watchmaking. (Dumont also makes surgical and steel tweezers).

Thank you for taking the considerable time required to produce this video. It really is a great resource for beginners like myself as well as all of the information in the comment section.

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! After I finished making my first complete disassembly / reassembly video in May of this year in which I attempted to rebuild a tiny IWC Cal 44 movement with no experience or guide I became obsessed with figuring out how to do it "correctly" and sharing that experience with others in a way that would actually be helpful to them. This is the result of that obsession. I appreciate your recognition of the effort involved! That said, it was super fun doing it, and like I say in the video actually taking the time to make the video, edit it, and add the titles was very helpful for me in terms of repetition and enhancing the learning process for myself. Much like note-taking is for academic learning, video is a kind of visual note-taking that also happens to be incredibly easy to share and distribute as a result of the internet.Anyway, thanks again for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!

@paulbush7095

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches I really enjoyed your take on AI as well. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but you presented a very technically abstract theory in a way I even I could understand. You must have an academic background.

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

@@paulbush7095 Thanks Paul! My ability to describe AI in simple terms is probably more a product of not knowing a whole lot more than I expressed than having an academic background (which I do not), but thanks for the compliment -- or insult, depending on your view of the academy these days! 😂 In any case, thanks a lot for your comments in general. I really appreciate them and I'm glad you enjoyed my rambling. Many don't and that's why I told them they can turn the sound off. 🙂

@paulbush7095

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches well said and diplomatically put, especially concerning the academia matter

Thankyou so much

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Keep commenting and let me know how it's going from time to time if you're on this same journey!

Hi ! Very helpful guide for this movement eta 2472. I bought a Duward watch with the same movement, and i have to learn to do the service. Congratulations ! Regards from Catalonia

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! That's really cool! BCN?

@jordimartin4249

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches From Calella, 50km near Bcn.

Remarkable video, Thank you for the effort

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Holy cow my friend. You really have a nice setup. I have always been a watch enthusiast and recently started working on watches. I am getting close to retirement and was looking for a hobby to keep me busy. Why not watchmaking !! I watched at bunch of videos from Marshall at wristwatch revival and he got me hooked. So I ordered some tools and set myself up in my little office. My setup is nowhere as nice as yours but I am enjoying myself. I am starting slowly and bought some very cheap mechanical watches at the local store, like $10.00 a piece that I am taking apart just to get comfortable with the tools and handling small parts with the tweezers and stuff. I was able to get my hands on a few reasonably priced used automatic watches on EBay and they are on their way. Some are working some are not so I'll fool around with that as well. Anyway, thought I'd stop by and congratulate you on your setup and your skills as well. I'm sure you'll be great at this. Take care my friend. Dan (from Quebec Canada)

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan! I really appreciate your comment! I'm particularly interested in helping hobbyists transition from watching videos like Marshall's to actually doing it themselves. I hope this video leads to a few people who may not have the confidence or big picture clear enough to take that leap to go ahead and do it. It sounds like you already took the leap before watching it (like many), so congratulations! I also recorded my very first attempt to do a full rebuild on a tiny IWC Cal 44 movement (which is the size of a US dime) before I launched this channel and those videos are the first videos I posted. Those videos, totaling 16 hours, show the first baby step that I took in painful detail and are also intended to inspire people to try it themselves by showing what happens if you have no clue what you're doing and no guide or knowledge at all. It's not pretty, but I think it's funny and truthful and something that few with any ego or self respect would dare to show... Actually, it may be the reverse of that. Showing how bad one is at something (as I do) plays on ones insecurities.... because we tend to think that being bad at something reflects poorly on ourselves. My "ego" is big enough that I don't care. And I know that the path to becoming good at something starts with not being good at it and doing it until you get good at it. Anyway, thanks for the comment and please stay in touch about your journey and continue to share the details of your own experience!

@danielberthiaume3648

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches Words of wisdom my friend. Thanks for that. Respect. Dan

@srgnsw65

Жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel. I read your comment and couldn't help thinking that it could be me talking. "I have always been a watch enthusiast and recently started working on watches. I am getting close to retirement and was looking for a hobby to keep me busy. Why not watchmaking !! I watched at bunch of videos from Marshall at wristwatch revival and he got me hooked. So I ordered some tools and set myself up in my little office." This is exactly where I'm at right now. I've just enrolled in Mark Lovick's online course and can't wait to get stuck in once retirement (2 months from now) kicks in. Regards from Australia. And also to you Dayton. I'm looking forward to working through your videos having just discovered your channel.

In this video I do my first complete service of an ETA 2472 Swiss watch movement from the 1960s. Here's a list of everything that I used in the video - not including microscope and camera (links to vendors below): AliExpress Timegrapher Weishi No. 1900, $170 Jewelers Eye Loupes (3x 15x), $6 5 Lens Adjustable Headband Magnifying Glass, $15 Watch Casing Cusion, $5 Double Head Watch Hand Pressers, $8 Ultrasonic Cleaner DA 968, $25 Grinding Screwdriver Tool, $9 Silicone Desk Mats, $20 Case Back Opening Ball, $4 Air Bulb Giottos Rocket Air, $4 Dumont Tweezers Tweezers Brass #4, $40 Tweezers Steel #4, $40 Bergeon Screwdriver Set 30080-P05, $38 Casing Cusion 5395-55-T, $23 Tweezers Plastic 6460-P, $9 Rodico 6033-1, $4 Hand Levers 30027, $32 Pegwood 2583-30, $5 Black Polyamide Probe Stick 7010, $5 Movement Holder 4039, $16 Oiler Kit 30102-P04, $9 Oil Kit for Mechanical Watches 8500-KIT-MECH, $120 Small Cleaning Basket 4734, $24 Small Cleaning Basket 4735, $24 Leather Buff 1282-06-001, $7 B-Dip 50ml 2652-0050, $20 Rubber Thimbles (Finger Cots) 6886-SP-M-144, $7 Cousins 4 Pot Oil Stand O39557, $28 45mm Watch Dial Box B57672, $7 Pithwood Buttons P20260, $3 Screwdriver Sharpening Stone S31323, $12 Moebius 8981 Fixodrop 10ml (ready to use) M61650, $26 General Store isopropyl alcohol clean/ rinse, $5 lighter fluid (clean must rinse after), $5 dish soap, $2 mason jar, $3 tea strainer (cup type), $2 small stiff paint brush (for cleaning), $2 lint free shop towels, $12 I used the ETA tech doc for the 2472, a watchrepairtalk guide authored by VWatchie specific to this movement, and general instruction from Alex Hamilton's channel @It's About Time as references. ETA Tech Doc 2472: drive.google.com/file/d/1gYfG3G_Izjj4xd1APIhl9lfBAOzUIKvf/view?usp=sharing ETA Calibre 2472 Service Walkthroughs: www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/12634-eta-calibre-2472-service-walkthrough/ www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/4422-eta-2472-service-walkthrough/ drive.google.com/file/d/1PLPbtKiBm0QRtRgnQpNOVMCcwMGebINh/view?usp=sharing VWatchie Profile on Watch Repair Talk Forum: www.watchrepairtalk.com/profile/3961-vwatchie/ VWatchie KZread channel: kzread.info/dron/XKMoOf2aXKN6m1ncZ_NBfA.html Vendor links: AliExpress www.aliexpress.com Bergeon www.bergeon.swiss Dumont www.dumonttweezers.com/Tweezer/TweezerStyleList/31 Cousins www.cousinsuk.com Watch Specifications: Dial Markings: BE-BA Precision (with date) Case Material: Stainless Steel Year of Manufacture: 1960s (dated by movement type ETA 2472) Caliber: 2472 Jewels: 25 Case Diameter without crown: 34mm Lug-to-Lug: 40mm Lug Width: 17.5mm Thickness: 11mm Weight with Strap and Buckle as Shown: 75g Weight Watch Head Only: 29g Bracelet: 17mm unbranded Chinese stainless steel bracelet (Oyster style) When I Purchased It: December 2021 Where I Purchased It: ricardo.ch How Much I Paid For It: 25 Chf What I Did To It: complete revision, light cleaning of dial, relumed indices and hands with Super-LumiNova Grade X1 GL C1, polished crystal, cleaned case, greased case back and crown gaskets The tools I use are discussed in greater detail in these videos: $400 Worth Of Bergeon Tools And Supplies kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqZkxc-shcjYoNY.html Everything I Know About Watchmaking in Five Minutes kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGmhz7OtZdKWc8o.html The stand on my desk that I use to elevate my work area is an IKEA SIGFINN monitor stand. Before opening any vintage watch or clock for the first time I recommend checking it for radium paint. I didn't do that in this video because it wasn't the first time that I opened this watch. For more information on radium and how to check for it using a geiger counter see these three videos: Which One Is Radioactive!? kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6Nlz5OIgaeTYqw.html Crimes Against Horology: Radium Removal and Other Disasters kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHhs19GRYriXXZc.html How to Re-lume a Vintage Watch kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ypp6upOFm9PQfbg.html The NetIO GC10 that I use is no longer made. It uses an SBM-20 geiger muller tube, which is also used in the GQ GMC-300E and other geiger counters. If you find one of those it should perform similarly. My videos are for entertainment and educational purposes only. Critical / corrective comments and links to resources including other watchmaking channels are welcome.

Really interesting video! I’m fascinated by your multi camera set up, and I would love to learn more about how to train a computer to switch to the camera that’s the most interesting. I also like the side conversation on AI in the middle of the video. Cool stuff!

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike! Your videos are great too! Anyone reading this be sure to check out Mike's channel too! About training AI, I'm going to start a separate channel about that. I'll promote that on this channel when it launches.

@WatchWithMike

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches Dayton,I appreciate it! Looking forward to your new content!

Really nice detail and effort invested in to such a video! Do you know which main spring winder to be used for the main spring?

@IMakeWatches

20 күн бұрын

Thanks! I got a Watchcraft set from a retired watchmaker in New Mexico and one of them works but I can't tell you how to source that exact one out of a set. You can see that set in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/eqCpzaN7ncfJmrw.html. I did also buy a single one on Aliexpress that was listed as being the right size for ETA 2472 and I trust it't the right size but I never used it because it was defective. I think it was around $40. It was more of a Bergeon style with the tiny crank. You could also see if bergeon.swiss sells individual ones. I know they sell sets but they're very expensive. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful! Good luck!

Very detailed...good work! Do you have a video, or can you point me to the part where you might show and discuss the issue that you had with the balance the lead you to replacing it?

@IMakeWatches

9 ай бұрын

Yes, thanks for asking, it's in this video at 47:41 kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqyczsSgqKi-qso.html

@notreallyachannel396

9 ай бұрын

@@IMakeWatches Thanks! Admittedly, I didn't want the whole disassembly but have watched that part now. I'm having an issue with one of these that I don't think is the same, but may also need a replacement balance.

@IMakeWatches

9 ай бұрын

@@notreallyachannel396 Thanks for your comment. I do want to get back to that now that I know balances assemblies a bit better. The problems with the 2452 balance assembly that I used are, number 1) I took it from a working watch and I'd like to put it back in that watch, and 2) it doesn't have the extra piece for beat error adjustment so I'd like to get the original one working again and then use it to try to adjust regulation and beat error in the cleaned and lubricated movement. Is it easy to describe the issue that you're having? I'd be interested to know if it is.

Awesome video Dayton! This is by far the best instructional video you've done thus far -- you even got part and tool numbers on screen for everything! Truly great work. Quick questions for you: where'd you get the fixodrop bottle with the built in mesh screen? I been looking at having to buy the bottle separate. As far as your oils go, you mention you got a kit, would that be the beginner's Moebius kit? It's the only kit from them I've seen sold online. Keep up the terrific work! *EDIT* Nevermind, I somehow missed you put the part number for the oils kit too 😂

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, and thanks for the question about Fixodrop AWDTurbo. As you noticed it's in the description (Cousins, ~$26), but for people that don't know, Fixodrop can be applied using a special bottle with a screen in it that Bergeon charges ~$140 for (for the empty bottle!). This is insane, and it's one of those things that is a huge turn-off for beginner and hobbyist watchmakers. Who wants to do a hobby that supports highway robbery? Cousins UK (link in description) sells Fixodrop in different packaging (still the exact same Moebius Fixodrop Product) for $26, and that's a much better way to go. Buying Fixodrop from Cousins in that bottle will save you a lot.

@awdturbopowah773

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches Yes the price of that empty epilame bottle is a giant turn off to say the least haha. That's a great tip though, I'll just have to source some through Cousins. Did you ever get your stakes and the staking plate?

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

@@awdturbopowah773 Thanks. Yes, Cousins is great and has a much more refined e-commerce process than Bergeon (at least at this time - one can hope that Bergeon may up its game in the future). I did get the punches that I need from Cousins, and the replacement centering plate for the Bergeon Staking Tool 5285, 5285-PLT (£54.95 from Cousins, 46.90 Chf but out of stock at Bergeon), and I also realized that the Bergeon "Riveting Stakes" plate 1902 (28.10 Chf) that I bought from Bergeon via its website, shown at 1 :57 in this video, kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqZkxc-shcjYoNY.html, should also work well as it has a narrow flat base that is obviously designed to be gripped by a bench vice. That is very encouraging to me, not least of all because it suggests that riveting by hand using just a punch and a the riveting stake 1902 in a bench vice is a thing that watchmakers do. I remain averse to spending $900 on a full blown 5285-D staking kit essentially just to hold a single punch at 90 degrees while tapping it with a tiny hammer. The only question is will centering be an issue at that tiny scale where it will be up to the punch to self center on the balance staff and rivet. I suspect it will be fine. I will find out soon. And if it's a disaster it will make a good film 😂

I would have liked to see the whole thing, but it was ruined by so many ads. Pity.

@IMakeWatches

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ll turn the ads off. I do turn them off for the long videos. I just forgot on this one.

@johnmortimer3209

Жыл бұрын

@@IMakeWatches Ah, thanks!

Опять скачки с камерой 🤕🥴

@IMakeWatches

Ай бұрын

Вы имеете в виду правки? Без редактирования это слишком долго.

@Дюбель

Ай бұрын

@@IMakeWatches я имею ввиду что картинка слишком часто меняется. Пока одну деталь достаешь, показываешь с трёх четырёх камер. Поставь одну в микроскопе, и вторую недалеко от механизма, мы догадаемся, что у тебя рядом детали лежат, и ты их достаешь. А то во время доставания уже начинаются скачки то с одной камеры показываешь, то с другой. Куда смотреть?! Это называется трахнуть мозги, и хорошо работает только в экшенах. 🤕

@IMakeWatches

Ай бұрын

@@Дюбель Спасибо! У моей жены та же проблема с моими видео, и я согласен с вами обоими. Причина, по которой я это делаю, заключается в том, что я сам смотрел много видеороликов о часовом деле, и мне всегда было интересно, что происходит за кадром. Я пытаюсь показать, что делаю, чтобы люди лучше понимали инструменты и организацию, но вы правы, что я захожу слишком далеко. В любом случае я ценю ваш комментарий! Я постараюсь найти лучший баланс в редактировании в будущем. Мне не нужно резать каждые две секунды!