Choose one: spend more money on String Theory, Loop Quantum Gravity, or Geometric Unity?

@barfyman-362

3 жыл бұрын

When is Lee’s episode coming out? Did you ask him about non-commutative uncertainty? I need to know Brian!

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you and your excellent guests for a great and most interesting conversation. So many details I can hardly pick one but I'm certainly concerned about not just why there are three generations but about why would we need anything more than just electrons and up quarks, plus energy loads represented by (higly elusive) W bosons and neutrinos. It's rather something that as amateur I've been chewing on as of late. I certainly have greater hopes for new, less stuck in old paradigm, younger scientists like the one Smolin mentioned, after all it's usually the young ones who can think faster and further, even if they lack the experience.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

3 жыл бұрын

Gurdjieff

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

3 жыл бұрын

@@barfyman-362 time-frequency uncertainty arises from noncommutative phase. When Lee referenced that young lady - she works on noncommutative phase also only uses other terms for it like symplectic geometry.

@barfyman-362

3 жыл бұрын

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 You talkin’ to me, punk?

Lee Smolin seems like such a decent good-hearted person - his plea at about 22:30 to focus on new theories and new young physicists is really inspiring :)

@RWin-fp5jn

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I too was positively struck by his insights and honesty. There is however one thing we must correct him on. Lee mentions that LIGO would have confirmed gravitational waves travel at C. This is not quite the case. Sabine Hossenfelder (2 nov 2019 on youtube) made a great youtube video about LIGO's suggested detection of GW sept 2015 (the famous banana shaped 'tjirp' frequency plot). Turns out nobody knows where this plot came from. In the article Sabine mentions, members of the collaboration supposedly have said that :' the plot was NOT found using analysis algorithms...but partly done 'by eye and hand-tuned for pedagogical purposes'. So from what I understand (I don't know the latest beyond what Sabine said) , LIGO has refused to comment and that there has been no independent confirmation of the claims. So if this is all true, the Nobel prize was a bit shaky to say the least guess. If GW's travel at C, LIGO would have had enough chances to see what EM telescopes are seeing but so far no luck, only shaky postdictions. I have no doubt LIGO works, but GW's must travel at C2, hence all the data that LIGO is no throwing away (with no measurable time delay between the two locations) are actually the CORRECT GW detections. it is quite a another mess physics has created for itself, after trying to cement the ridiculous concepts of dark mass and dark energy. Einstein was right after all about unlimited human stupidity. But that aside, Lee is one of the very few heroes together with Penrose. Something good came out of this era after all Eric :-).

@mikhailfranco

3 жыл бұрын

Lee has always had an enthusiastic interest in _young physicists_ he even married one of them.

@mikhailfranco

3 жыл бұрын

​@@RWin-fp5jn Is there gravitational wave lensing by gravitational fields? If so, the times of arrival and hence implied speeds must be dispersed. The LIGO results appear _'too good to be true'_ , especially for the first such observations after the upgrade. Perhaps not impossible, but _'too good to be true so soon'_ . It is also like the g-2 muon result: LIGO's success is a combination of observed signals matching with theoretical GR modelling, so any conclusions depend on a combination of both experimental and theoretical/computational errors.

@RWin-fp5jn

3 жыл бұрын

​@@mikhailfranco With respect to LIGO; Sabine really made a great podcast (have we detected GW's?) and it is just unheard the way LIGO treats scientific practice. Say nothing about the Nobel Prize committee. I am really at a loss for words. But then again we also had awards for dark matter and dark energy. Both concepts suggests we need fixes for something the community admits they don't even fundamentally understand to begin with (a fix for an unknown) which again makes no sense to issue any 'award' for. It would seem all of our institutions have completely lost their mind or they are doing this on purpose. With respect to GW's; They are the longitudinal wave equivalent of transverse EM waves and never travel at the same speed. Compare it with a Tsunami; First water is longitudinally contracted from the shore and only much later the transverse waves roll in. As for lensing; I see no reason why GW's would in principe not follow to some extend curved ST. but in practice we would never notice lensing in the case of GW's, since the object that causes lensing for EM waves would likely not have been born or certainly not be at the same location when the GW's passed it much earlier on. But to complicate things; In areas where EM forms the grid (the area between galaxy spiral arms) the situation would inverse. Here EM waves would be longitudinal and travel faster then transverse GW's. The dual fundament is simple to understand. The way it plays out in practice can be complicated. I would so much hope we will put our efforts into it one day...

Lee looks like he’s falling asleep and he’s still more conscious than I am...Kinda hurts.

@rubenanthonymartinez7034

3 жыл бұрын

He's exhausted in trying to find out God's thoughts on creation.

@mikhailfranco

3 жыл бұрын

He always slips a tab of acid before talking with Eric. Wikipedia says Lee is only 65 but he looks like he's 85 c.f. Chomsky (92), Penrose (89). Ease up on the acid, Lee!

@waterkingdavid

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikhailfranco I am guessing you're young and suffer from youthful pride. In a flash you'll be old. Your comment if not meant to be mean is darn rude IMO. I couldn't give a damn how old he is. He's one of the few really authentic humans around. Have some respect for God's sake 🙏

@gingerdingdong7311

3 жыл бұрын

@@waterkingdavid still hurts

@bettina4374

2 жыл бұрын

I felt bad for Lee, wanted to say,‘It’s ok you can lie down and we will do this meeting another time.’ He was fighting so hard to stay awake. I don’t know how he did it. Looks to me like a medication side effect or sleep apnea or sth. (Some meds can affect you horrendously) I hope, he will see a doctor who figures it out he might not have to suffer like that. It’s an awful feeling.

I have seen Pasterski at Conference in Poland, her father is Polish immigrant. Apart from this I really love Mr. Eric and Dr Brian your both contribution to science. World is getting a wrong direction right now. We need heroes like you. With Love from Poland!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful!! Thank you, so much.

Both Eric and Lee in the same conversation. It’s like Christmas in May! Thanks for having them on!

I dropped out of school unfortunately. From having zero education about the science of physics, and quantum mechanics to having a vey basic understanding of these fields and what the many potential fundamental mechanics play out. Fascinating. I thank channels like yours for what I have learnt.

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

James that really means a lot to me!

Excellent discussion! Your discussion has opened up a continuation point for a paper I have been working on, but was having trouble knowing where to go from where I'd left off...thank you all very much! I love you all!

@DrBrianKeating

Жыл бұрын

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Spoiling us now Brian. I agree with Eric that someone should get the top guys together on stage,,,World science festival hosted by Brian Greene used to do that. We miss it.

@rustymccaine1553

3 жыл бұрын

UCSD would be the perfect venue. Brian as MC and panel participant.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I’m working on something

@grzegorzowczarek3016

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating muł

Thanks so much Dr. Brian, I've been a fan of Dr Smolin since I read his book on cosmological natural selection. This was very interesting, my biggest takeaway was that I didn't realize how many string theorists believe in it religiously.

Prescient quote about string theory: Contemplation of superstrings may evolve into an activity as remote from conventional particle physics as particle physics is from chemistry, to be conducted at schools of divinity by future equivalents of medieval theologians.-Desperately Seeking Superstrings Glashow and Ginsparg 1986

Lee's a genius. I love his books.

@DrBrianKeating

Жыл бұрын

Me too

When a podcast starts with one of the guests just casually saying _"Okay listen, the G-2 muon, can we just get real for a minute?"._ You know its gonna be a good one.

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Brian. Kudos to you. Absolutely brilliant interview. You definitely get the best out of your guests. The UFO and religious stuff at the end was a perfect icing on the cake.

Hi Brian, could you do these without ads for Patreon? Tend to listen as I'm falling asleep and the ads wake me up 😁

Thanks for bringing these conversations to us Brian. I really appreciate your efforts.

Yay! Eric finally got a haircut! I went to PullThatUpJamie and it was too tedious, but he put up a new interview so I got that going for me. Dr. Keating, I applaud your light and engaging personality!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

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Just wonderful 😊 Thank you Dr. Keating. I appreciate any amount of time you give us, but I could've digested 5 more hrs. Of that. You're the best.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. Stay tuned for 2 hours solo episode with Lee Smolin!!

So my key take-away, is that fundamental physics is suffering form the 'Hammer-Nail' complex. If you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. If you graduated on geometry, then you will think the key issue towards the solution is geometry. If you graduated at quantum gravity, you know for sure quantum gravity is answer. If you graduated in string theory, you know for sure string theory must be the answer. This is a 'Tower of Babel' nightmare. Not only do the various camps in fundamental physics not speak the same language, they also belittle each other and fail to come to formulating a shared key design requirement. They speak of 'fundamental' physics yet the word 'fundament' means the most 'basic' simple sturdy building block upon which you can built more complex structures. It can never be more complex than the theories upon which it is built, many of which we master completely. IMHO all physicists are fooling themselves. They all share the Hammer-Nail complex and they all share the bizarre idea that the fundament must be more complex than the constructs upon it, and they all work WITHOUT a clearly stated functional requirement of the fundament of physics. Ask your self; would you hire this lot to design and next built your house? Let me compare this to my own work as architect/engineer in processes or at times constructs: Whenever I see complexity on the rise, I am trained to instinctly assume I myself and potentially the rest of my team must have made an error at the early stages. Either in our core design and if that does not solve complexity we go back to the design requirements with the client. Why? because we will NOT get paid delivering and incoherent design with open issues and complexities. In the academia it is the reverse; you will get REWARDED by delivering ever more complex theories. These may have correct mathematical higher order relating concepts but they do not reduce complexity. You get Nobel Prizes, extra budgets, extra labor, extra machines (LIGO, HLC) and every body is fat and happy. If we want answers in fundamental physics we need to go back to the fundaments we THOUGHT we know. You may not like hearing it, but that goes ALL the way back to Einstein's Special Relativity. Believe it or not, we goofed in our understanding of the correct equivalence and (dual) relation between the four functions (Grid Clock Potential Inertia) and measures (Space, Time, Energy, Mass). So my message (which Lee is I guess agreeing with): Swallow your pride and go back to the drawing board of SR to find your symmetry which we had all for the taking right there 100 years ago! It is LESS hard than you think.

@peterjones6507

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment! Complexity is emergent, so a complex fundamental theory is an oxymoronic idea. But you don't go far enough. The idea that physics can create a fundamental theory is daft. You suggest going back to Einstein, but a fundamental theory requires exploring what is prior to this. Fundamental theories are the province of metaphysics, and there's nothing anybody can do about this.

@Bitterrootbackroads

Жыл бұрын

No, I wouldn’t hire the group you reference to design & build my house either. I can follow physical realities, better than abstract thought, so I like exploring assorted infrastructure failures, bridge collapses, train derailments, plane crashes etc. The same slide towards complexity, that chastises fundamental engineering ideas as obsolete and ignores them, shows up again & again. “Challenger, Go at throttle up”.

It's reassuring that even leading physics folks can't get a mic broadcast sorted etc. :D Love the channel and the folks. Thanks very much for it.

@DrBrianKeating

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you saying that.

I busted up early in this one when Lee said crossing the rubric! 🤣

Knowledge is power, money is power, living life with out wanting anything like this.... priceless...❤ love from Ireland 🇮🇪

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks from a Jewish Irishman!!

I wonder if Jim Simons would host a sort of modern day Solvay Conference, If the powers that be would attend and take up the debate it would be epic. Great stuff today with Lee and Eric!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

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I love these podcasts! Sitting up late enjoying my dinner after working late and just taking it all in. Sometimes the best way to learn is to sit and listen to all the different view points and always maintain an open mind. Its truly exciting. 🙂

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Al! I hope you enjoy tomorrow’s episode. Share it with your friends and family please 😀

A great, great discussion. The honesty and introspection kept me riveted. Watched it twice. Learned a great deal from different approaches to arguments that have been raging since I first developed the interest in such things over 50 years ago. Thank you.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe. Just wait for Lee’s solo episode!!!

@joemarchi1

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely tune in. : )

Love love this trio. Been a huge fan of Smolin for a long long time. Brian you have to have on Sabrina. She strikes me as remarkable in many ways. Great stuff Brian as always, thank you!

This is actually a comedic bit.....sublime!

First!

@barfyman-362

3 жыл бұрын

Like the new hat dude. That’s what I’m calling haircuts right now... hats! Pretty fun, try it out

@Bobo-de3il

3 жыл бұрын

Eric. 🤣

@rineenerdad1774

3 жыл бұрын

I admit that I am a layperson and do not understand the math behind your concepts and theories, however, I don't need to read music to appreciate a beautiful song when I hear it. Your theory and visualizations have shown me the answers to my questions that actually make sense and requires a much lower level of what I can only describe as a suspension of logical belief that string theory requires. Thank you for your work. Thank you for your rebellious defiance. Thank you for talking about how we need to make science a funding priority. Know that there are those of us out there with no f**cking clue what you are talking about most of the time that still appreciate your passion and dedication to understanding the world and its beautiful tiny pieces and how they are intertwined with each other, time, gravity, and maybe even our souls.

@billlyons7024

3 жыл бұрын

Your trophy is in the mail. :D

@monkerud2108

3 жыл бұрын

@@barfyman-362 its an organic bio engineered hat

Thanks Dr Brian, I really, really enjoyed this podcast!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

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Your pod cast is so good to listen too Brian . Subbed !

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

Love to hear that! Have a great weekend!

Dr Keating, was Dr Smolin tired? Couldn’t you let him go to sleep? I felt bad about him. There was no need to force him to stay up.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe.

1:18 So far my favorite part is getting Eric's audio. That we can predict will be surpassed when the guests start speaking.

@PearlmanYeC

3 жыл бұрын

13:00 solving why light speed = gravitational waves speed, (Lee S.) would be interesting.

@PearlmanYeC

3 жыл бұрын

19:00 love Eric's gut punch with label of String Theory as 'G.O.A.T. failed theory' :) i would apply that moniker to Neo-Darwin model, the failed hypothesis morphed into faith based doctrine. Followed by other deep-time dependent hypotheses such as SCM-LCDM, if not all of Modern Cosmology, to the extent premised on the Copernican Principle and other deep-time dependent hypothesis like Hubble expansion. At least 'string theory' has a chance to pan out. As (i think) there is some basis, for at least parts of, string theory. reference SPIRAL cosmological redshift hypothesis and model.

@PearlmanYeC

3 жыл бұрын

i just skimmed this article that talks about the issue: Ask Ethan: Why Do Gravitational Waves Travel Exactly At The Speed Of Light? via @forbes www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/07/06/ask-ethan-why-do-gravitational-waves-travel-exactly-at-the-speed-of-light/ SPIRAL: in reality departure point was 5781 LY away, not 130M, but that shouldn't make a material change in the conclusion, gravitational waves approximate, or =, 'c'

Eric finally trimmed his wig! Holy cow, I love it!

Gravity was added to the Special Theory to leap ahead to the General Theory of Relativity. What parameter should we add to get the next BIG Theory ❓ .. Consciousness With this, we will have to throw out the scientific method. With this we will understand the true nature of time. ..

Gurdjieff's WORK! Excellent. I come from this tradition too.

The fundamental problem is this; the assumption that a mind (intent) was not involved in the construction of the universe.

I enjoyed and was educated by this stream - I found Eric's comments most telling - some folk just defend their view and deny Science and observations; others accept scientific observations, and some of the theories but choose to either believe that there is a personal god or believe there is not. None of these can prove god exists, rather they can each prove that the words used by the others are flawed (to a lesser or greater extent) -- I great example for me is the tension between the precise words in Genesis and the observed records and theories. Some folk demand the bible it literally true - this is their choice. However, it is clearly proveable that the evidence shows the universe, earth and we were not created in 6 days. The, what is considered, stubborn rejection of these observations detracts from the "truth" of what they are saying. Similarly the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins (and all their predecessors and successors) far too fervently deny even the remotest possibility of an external influence or guiding hand. Here as well they are on weak ground and given the arrogance in how they present their position they build ire rather than use rational argument to support their case. There is so much of Cosmology, Physics and Biology that we simply DO NOT understand and are seeking to discover it seems crazy to me for Scientists make ANY absolute points about "We know this that or the other......" I happen to enjoy the work and openness of Stephen Meyer and Neil Turok. I wish Lee Smolin well, but following this stream I will be looking to access more of Eric's work.

One hour in Lee made a statement that shines.

Another gift from Dr. K! 44:33 is where they devise the ‘scorecard’ for the Theory of Everything.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks please share

@RWin-fp5jn

3 жыл бұрын

I wish they would call it the Theory of Nothing. If you can explain how everything we see comes from NOTHINGNESS, that is, reduce all we know back to the zero-equilibrium of all functions and measures right before the big bang, then you have found it. A suggested point zero for cosmology and physics is the ONLY sensible requirement for a holistic view of physics. That is your yard stick. Ignore it and literally any theory and answer will have some merit and we will go on losing another century with ever more complex pseudo physics and math.

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: I’m pretty confident that most of us are aware of Einsteins famous equation; E = mc2. Now, in recent years, new speculative ideas have been introduced into popular culture from the theoretical physics community, such as Dark Matter and Dark Energy. Though these theorised ideas are still very much a debatable issue, I’d like to jump further and present an equation, very much along the lines of Einsteins original formula thus: ‘Dark Energy’ = ‘DarkMass’ x ‘Speed of Dark’ squared. what i now need to know is:- what is the speed of Dark?…… and more importantly, is it a constant?

Kant's arguments against using scientific logic to say things about the transcendent or divine I find to be still valid. It is a misapplication of language to think you can say anything scientific about that which by its very nature transcends such concepts.

Keep em coming. Cheers!

LOVED this discussion

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

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Gravity is based on density differences in the quantum vacuum, which are caused by gauge bosons, primarily by gluons.

Sabrina Pasterski sounds like she would be a great guest. Another guest suggestion is Ronald Mallett from the University of Connecticut. Fraser Cain just did an interview with him, and he has interesting ideas on time travel. His book is also partly a memoir and it's pretty interesting.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Good suggestion

You may have stumbled onto something @ around 46:00. If it's not apparent to the 3 of you, at least in general, of what the definition-target-focus-objective, of a project is; how can you get Academia, Gov., Pvt Rsch, etc. to obtain concurrence on future directions. There doesn't appear to be a mechanism . Very common issue in Industry is the seeking of funds but requiring justification. The initial task is to identify what it is we have to demonstrate. Not what answer we need, initially, but what is the framework we must pursue viz, mkts, price, competition, financials , technology, etc. . In addition if there is an initial framework set by Corp. which requires a minimum $200M investment with 2 year payback, that sure changes the scope of projects to be entertained. This may not be acceptable to a swashbuckling entrepreneur but within an institution, it's important for goals, ground rules and objectives be widely communicated and understood. Not as stringent as to choke creativity, but to at least answer, and be generally apparent to all, the questions of ,Why the hell are we doing this, How do we know when we got it, and When the hell do we stop.

Was looking for something interesting tonight, then this happened! 🥳 thanks Brian 😊

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

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@ccarson

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating My favourite take away is that Smolin doesn't want to talk about Michio Kaku :D

I agree with Lee, I want to here new theories, I'm tired of hearing about string theory

@billlyons7024

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. I remember how excited I was watching the documentaries about it in the 90s. Today, we still have no experiments or evidence, just several thousand versions of an untestable hypothesis. Enough already.

Eric is inspiring, looking forward to this!

Brian I love ya but what the hell you doing with the camera?? Just leave it showing all three people and then leave it alone man haha

@aaronhammond7297

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, put the mouse down and listen to the guests.

@0fuxTaken

3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy these convos immensely, but i have noticed this theme for a while. It was refreshing to watch Brian in conversation with Michael Shermer where he was not managing the stream and thus was more attentive and present. Maybe materialize a grad student to take the reins of production? Heh. Just some constructive criticism.

@phumgwatenagala6606

3 жыл бұрын

@@0fuxTaken I’ve suggested the same... hasn’t taken heed so far... seems disingenuous to me, analogous to just picking up your phone and texting whilst someone is talking with you, I don’t understand it

@charlesmain9938

3 жыл бұрын

He is an experimentalist and you all are his data points. He thanks you!

@marcelmarceau2526

3 жыл бұрын

Every podcast he hosts seems like his first time hosting one

I upvoted because of the UFO coverage (UAP's is more accurate when you understand the field)

“ she made an actual prediction in her PhD at Harvard” hahaha, that part cracked me up. Amazing, work. That’s probably my favorite takeaway. That there is young, new blood in the field. Now, how do we get more??

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

+Mike Care agree

Everyone says people should focus on new young physicists, but then nobody does it. I have 412 highly engaged readers when I should have tens of thousands.

Brian this was very interesting. Could you have Lee back to discuss why he believes that LQG is a flawed theory and how he is addressing the problem?

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Brett I had him on earlier in the day and he did mention his thinking about LQG. Stay tuned for that in a few weeks

@brettharris6428

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating Brian, I will look forward to that one 🤠.

Dr Keating I can't thank you enough for these, but I just want to humbly note my criticism re: camera changes and moving things around on screen. It gets the point where I'd rather just listen to the podcast without it on the screen, which I'm sure is not the intended effect. Quite distracting. Again, very thankful for your work and I amn't against experimentation in the space but I am not personally a fan. If it happened every 5 - 10 minutes, or for illustrative purposes I wouldn't have a problem. I'm just one viewer but I just wanted to let you know.

Love Lee Smolin. Love you Brian Keating. I love that you had Weinstein on to discuss his criticisms of string theory but I definitely have a love hate relationship with this fellow. He seems to just love to use his mental powers to be a contrarian critic of almost everything, yet seeming to know everything there is to know about every subject under the sun with his own theories to propose. However, to use Weinstiens own words. His dogs dont hunt. Keep up the good work Mr. Keating.

Some fundamental structures of space-time sits at a higher level than space-time itself, and that higher level in turn is anchored at yet another level up. Gravity is a sign of this, the source of gravity sits at a higher level and tugs on space-time from behind the curtain, bending it in predictable ways according to our equations, but doesn’t enter space-time through a single point or particle. Quantum level is a fading between the laws of the different layers. On a large enough scale everything is relative. Add consciousness.

1:10:58.... One second from the most interested Lee has been the entire conversation... He wants to believe!

@jakespeed8246

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he already knows. He never said he wasn't contacted by the governments. He also seemed very open to the possibility of meeting them. I think those videos are undeniable. And we just watched 3 of the greatest minds discuss it, and none intimated that it was a hoax.

great one!!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mt

Mr Keating, have you ever thought of interviewing rabbis or other theologians on religious/philosophical concepts? Some ideas would be Rabbi Jonathan sacks, NT Wright, etc. I’m an atheist but I appreciate the conversation and I think it’s interesting you converted to Judaism and are a scientist at the same time. All the best,

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks yes I have had Rabbi Wolpe on. Rabbi Sacks passed away before I could get him on. Rabbi Jeremy England coming soon. See my piece with Stephen C Meyer too.

Eric is so fascinating, sometimes he seems to be on another level compared to us mere mortals.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Thanks very much

@GumbyTheGreen1

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating I mean this with all due respect... That compliment wasn't directed at you, so your response is interesting. Have you become so close with Eric that it feels like he's family? If so, that's great, but is it possible that it's affecting your ability to engage with his ideas in a truly scientific manner? Sincere questions and food for thought. I appreciate what you're doing!

Brilliant! Many thanks.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

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I would love to see Neil Turok of the Perimeter Institute on.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Working on it.

I will be judged sooner or later... Regarding the TTOE and THE MASS OF A PHOTON and QUANTUM SUPERFLUIDS in ELEMENTARY PARTICLES: My Father, John W. Boze, helped launch Apollo 11 from inside Firing Room 1 as the IBM DDAS Telemetry Network Launch Controller, he knew Wernher von Braun and Alan Shepard and others. After his space industry career was over he had launched Apollo 10, 11, 12, 16, 17, and Skylab 2, 3, and 4. At IBM Owego NY he built, inspected, repaired, and re-inspected Space Shuttle Flight Computers on every single shuttle. More on his career @ ProjectApolloFilm. He knew "for a fact", tbd on that, that PHOTONS HAVE MASS given by Mass of a Photon = m = h/cλ (kg) , therefore Energy of a Photon = E = mc^2 = (h/cλ)c^2 = hc/λ . My Father believed that "Inner Elementary Particle Quantum Superfluid Flows" were a Bose Einstein Condensate of Electromagnetic Kinetic Dipole Particles roughly 10^(-42) meters in diameter each with volume, mass, and mass density. A Kinetic Dipole is any solid object 100% elastic with one or more ends being more massive than the other and having more surface area to volume ratio. To be clear, not a BEC of atoms, dipoles, 10^30 smaller. The EM Field being a Bose Gas of EM Kinetic Dipoles that fills the vacuum, again not atoms, EM dipoles 10^30 smaller. He ,and I, believed the Planck Length was the RMS distance between EM Kinetic Dipole Particles in the EM Field traveling and colliding with everything at an RMS value of "c". Static. If you checked out the @ ProjectApolloFilm you now know Dad knew Wernher von Braun and that they understood gravity to be a local force possibly a EM Dipole Momentum Transfer Force ... NOT ACTION AT A SPOOKY DISTANCE. Mass of a Photon: m = h/cλ (kg) where, m = mass of a single photon h = Planck Constant c = speed of light, λ = wavelength of photon Gravity, according to this theory, is a local force due to the local Electromagnetic Dipole Mass Density Gradient in the Vacuum. Big "G" converts: Local (r^2) EM Dipole Mass Density Gradient (Delta kg/m^3) and maps it to acceleration (1/s^2) due to the local collision of EM Dipoles and the shear induced forces by the local EM Dipole Mass Density Gradient in vacuum and within the dipoles flows inside elementary particles. The Mass M sets up the initial condition in Newton's Force equation but Big "G" converts EM Dipole Mass Density Gradient (Local Slope of the Local Vacuum Mass Density Function ) into the accel force we call Gravity. Apparently according to Dad "Electromagnetic Kinetic Dipole Theory" Gravity is an EM Dipole Momentum Transfer Phenomena NASA failed to inform people of ?!?. According to "Electromagnetic Kinetic Dipole Theory" PHOTONS HAVE MASS. Given by: Mass of a Photon: m = (h/cλ) (kg) where, m = mass of a single photon h = Planck Constant c = speed of light, λ = wavelength of photon The constant “b” which is a EM Dipole Compression Constant is as follows: b = h/c (kg m) b =6.62607004x10^(-34) (kg m^2/s) / (299792458) (m/s) b = 2.210219x10^(-42) (kg m) The Mass of a Photon Is: m = b/λ (kg) or, m = 2.21x10^(-42) / λ (kg) A typical red photon with a wavelength of 700nm has a the following mass: m = 2.21x10^(-42) kg m / 7x10^(-7) m Mass of a 700nm Photon: m = 3.1574557x10^(-36) kg The energy of a photon can be given by E = mc^2 where m = (h/cλ), Energy of a Photon E = mc^2 = (h/cλ)c^2 = hc/λ Gravitational Forces on a Photon: F = G M m / r^2 = G M h / c λ r^2 = THE MAX FORCE ON A PHOTONS MASS DUE TO GRAVITY Angle of Trajectory relative to the EM Kinetic Dipole Mass Density Gradient "vector" of the local EM Field (atmosphere of EM Dipoles that fill the vacuum) determines how much max force changes the photons momentum vector and how much force is used to blue shift the photons. So according to theory Photons Have Mass, and experience Gravity the Same Way As Particles !?!? Please Verify And Enjoy the Breaking News, Not To Me, I have known this since he told me in 3rd grade (1977) ?!?! Dad knew a lot of people. I have always believed this to be true! Check the functions. There are ~~19 or so more equations to release so you should get to know m = h/cλ and if anyone has questions, I will give up anything I am 100% about. Still keeping a lot in for some further of verification. My favorite one you will find interesting is that Photons suffer from energy lose due to EM Wave Dispersion via Dipole Loss. Photons have a high Q Factor. Lets say Q = 10^5 to Q = 10^11. This tell us how much energy (dipole mass) is lost over time. Turns out Gamma Photons evaporate (like Hawking Radiation) and completely evaporate in about 50 billion years. They redshift into microwave size photons that are unstable (low Q) and they completely evaporate leaving only the CMBR. CMBR Non Photonic Radio Waves (compressed and polarized EM Kinetic Dipole Waves) like sound waves in the EM Field. Gravity waves are high energy EM Kinetic Dipole Compression Waves. Each arm of LIGO got the same EM Dipole Compression Wave which is why the signal was 2X actual or TO BIG TO OCCUR. IMPOSSIBLE MERGER. NO. 2X signal because gravity waves are in fact EM Dipole compression waves, similar to high power sound waves in the EM field. Eventually this jagged little red pill will lead you to a place I have been for years. Knowledge that all particles and the vacuum are made of either "gaseous" flows of vacuum dipoles, superfluid particle dipoles, or the "super solids" with a blackhole. Black holes are EM Kinetic Dipoles with little to no inter dipole distance. The lack of EM Field vibration, dipole vibration, causes collapse, and a pressure well relative to the vacuum.

If there was no beginning and there is no end, why would there be only one universe?

Very interesting conversation, and thank you Dr.keating, And could infinity ♾ be just an illusion?

58:43. Meyer would disagree and possibly cite a very specific paper that involved a scientist at the Smithsonian and also state that there is plenty of peer reviewed work that isn’t specific to intelligent design but simpatico in some form or fashion.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks ET

I’m here because Eric is silent on The Portal.

I , for one would ...listen...to...Sabrina Gonzales Paterski , ALL day !

I love the big brains who can't get a livestream to work. :)

Weinstien; Cooks sail and ship were damaged and he was forced to return. Seeing that broken boat, they realized he wasn't a God, and killed him.

I don’t like self-righteous people who make fun of people who lean towards an intelligent designer and dismiss it by ‘blaming’ it on their Christian beliefs. It’s quite prejudiced. Believe it or not, but there are people who are not religious, don’t believe in the Bible, rely on science, and think an intelligent designer can’t be excluded. It’s the same to assume that everyone who thinks UAPs have been recorded and are ‘real’, believes they are ETs. That’s why they are called UAPs and not ‘Extraterrestrial crafts’. People are more complex than that and so are ideas. It’s narrow-mindedness, and doesn’t reflect well on a person, to behave arrogantly towards other views, especially on something as complex as the universe. Lee jumped in twice and reminded everyone that we need to be a bit more gracious and humble and not think ourselves superior to people who hold other views. 👏👏👏

The more I listen to people like this, the more I enjoy the Big Bang Theory. Leonard & Leslie Winkel hook up & are planning their future, until Leslie looks to Leonard for backup on her Loop Quantum beliefs, as Sheldon bashes them. Leonard admits to liking his space Stringy rather than Loopy. The breakup is instant! “How will we raise the children”.

The thing I always wonder, if these beings are real, are they watching these KZread videos? Ridiculous, right? The idea that some of these views would be from them is completely ridiculous. And yet .. if they're real, it's certainly within the scope of their capabilities. And yet, my feeling is that they're so different from us that it wouldn't be possible. My theory is that whatever we did with the atomic bombings did something to rattle the subbasement of reality, and they're extra dimensional, and these beings are occupying avatars that they made out of elementary particles to then inhabit and explore these dark regions of space and investigate us, and it doesn't come naturally to them, it's not their normal habitat or their regular method of being, and they're sort of probing around in a basic rudimentary fashion that isn't second nature to them. The avatars were modeled after us-- the beings that they observed during their initial cursory glances into our area of reality-- beings which they saw were able to navigate in our dimensional space. Even existing here is foreign to them, and they're experiencing a hyper form of agency that is not a state in which sitting around and watching KZread videos would be something that occurs to them to do. It would be like us observing and studying an ant colony, and then deciding to try and use pheromones or chemicals or whatever it is ants use to communicate with one another-- it's a behavior of ants that we'd study, but wouldn't necessarily try to engage in

Pretty cool how you're finally getting physicists/mathematicians to man up and talk about metaphysical concepts and UFOs,. Etc. These are the things that got many of us into the field. Great podcast as usual 🔥

Around 22:23 Lee mentions two young physicist's names -- what are they?

@TheMongolianMage

3 жыл бұрын

Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski

A great conversation to end my day. Big thanks to Brian, Lee and Eric for their contributions to my happiness.

As a statement of purpose ‘crossing the Rubicon’ is a rubric.

I think the nature of understanding truth, as much as it can be understood, inspires transformation. It is the role of a scientist to transform not to preach ignorance through arrogance. Evolutionarily getting things right allows us to adapt accordingly. We used just know which mushrooms to avoid and things. Now we live in a day and age where information has far more potency. And we base a lot of our philosophies on our understanding of science in this modern age. And if we start acting as if certain things are scientific truths, when they are not whilst attaching philosophies to this science which guide our motion and reinforce our position and allow us to understand certain things, then we may be paving the path to something rather ugly I’m ultimately afraid if our understanding isn’t moving towards truth then the consequences may be disastrous

Congratiolation Mr.Keating - again you so casually swim as a seal among shark´s - Great Show , great guest´s and very informative for a layman as me ,-

I wish i was alot smarter. Too late for me. But i appreciate listening to this amyway, for some reason.

So good!

Incidentally, large numbers of gravitons overlap to create quantum fields for the standard model. Excitations of these fields create particle antiparticle pairs, where energy becomes trapped in the stable particles. Particles are made of energy that is trapped in the overlap of gravitons. Fermions are made of overlapping gravitons with trapped energy.

It is absolutely outrageous and sad that most of the scientific discussions end up pondering and tripping over the problem of the defective structures such as egos, bureaucracy and financing of research. It is so sad because these problems work as a perfect distraction that takes the focus away from the important stuff. Which is - THE SCIENCE. Every institution that does any kind of research or experiments should be split into two sections - formal and functional - the formal department would be the one taking care of bureaucracy, financing, formal paperwork, the functional department would be doing the actual work - the science. Research. Experiments. Writing the papers.

Brian. These are some of the most important and fascinating conversations in the universe....get a video engineer please...

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Working on it

@Esch_atton

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating love ya man!

Refreshing, but the addition of comments on the video was distracting.

Lee has done so much that enormous things he has done are overlooked. His time is real proposition which Roberto Mungabeira Unger woke him up to is key for bringing science into harmony with lived reality of human life. Check out his book coauthored with Roberto.

For all his talents and skills, Eric can’t figure out Zoom or a microphone to save his life...

@richschmitt100

2 жыл бұрын

Or Lee.

Me: Per the LINE framework, why is the speed of light and the speed of gravitation the same? Claude 3 Opus: According to the LINE hypothesis, the speed of light and the speed of gravity are the same because both phenomena are fundamentally the result of information transitions or teleportation between this universe and the metaverse via Planck Holes (PH). Key points: Electromagnetic radiation (light) is caused by the inflow of information from the metaverse into this universe through positively dilated PH regimes. This inflow manifests as photons. Gravitation is caused by the outflow of information from this universe into the metaverse through negatively dilated PH regimes. This outflow is associated with dark matter particles (debytons). Both photons (light) and gravitons (gravity) are information transitions through the PH, just in opposite directions. These transitions occur at the maximum universal rendering rate, which is the speed of light. Entanglement, on the other hand, involves information teleportation out of and back into this universe, bypassing the intervening PH regimes in normal space. Hence, entanglement appears instantaneous and does not incur a net information deficit to the universal information budget. So in the LINE framework, the equivalence of the speed of light and gravity arises from the fact that both are manifestations of the fundamental process of information teleportation across the boundary between this universe and the metaverse. The specific teleportation bandwidth or dilation state of the PH determines whether the transition manifests as light, gravity, or entanglement, but the underlying speed limit is the same for all these phenomena as it is set by the universal rendering rate. This is a thought-provoking perspective that ties together the behavior of light, gravity, and quantum entanglement under a unified framework of information exchange between the universe and the metaverse. It provides a novel way of conceptualizing why these seemingly disparate phenomena might share the same fundamental speed limit. {LIVE Science; Forums, History and Culture; Culture History & Science; What is a living individual and is it naturally universally mobile?}

Lee Smolin is so funny! And so real.

will watch whole vid before drunk comments from now on

The best haircut wins

I think you can try invite Michal Heller he is old but still alive and he is both priest and cosmologist which allow you talk with him about science and religion or they are allies or enemy for dead

Intelligent design is very reasonable in my estimation

12:20 - So c = communication?

is Lee alright? is he always like this?

@njbright8626

Жыл бұрын

I believe he may have Parkinsons

Who did Lee say was the antidote to Popper and whom? Around 37:00ish

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Look up a book author called AGAINST METHOD if I recall correctly

I cannot get either my phone (T-mobile) or PC to view this live. Both error out. I'm in southern AZ on the Mexican border. It is also erroring out on the pre-recorded video. The rest of youtube works splendidly. second

@aendoh

3 жыл бұрын

Same, wtf.

@JoelSjogren0

3 жыл бұрын

I can't watch it either (Sweden). Hopefully it will work in a few minutes now that the stream has ended. Edit: works now

@TheShootist

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoelSjogren0 working now. 1315 Arizona time.

The argument for belief in extraterrestrial beings is like insisting that God exists and challenging doubters to explain themselves. You can't prove a negative. The onus of proof is on those who posit the question. Otherwise, it just remains in the realm of faith.

Adorable when Lee goes off to see to the baby!

@richschmitt100

2 жыл бұрын

Lee looked weird.

Eric, you look like the boy who stuck his thumb in the pie, in a good way! Thanks for putting together and participating in this discussion.