This is where all the scooped mids go

@alexjefferson3383

5 жыл бұрын

Probably the funniest quirky KZread comment I've ever read.

@mikebuchanan1881

5 жыл бұрын

KZread comment of the year!-) Nice one Magitician!

@kenherbst9460

4 жыл бұрын

hilarious

@MetalAriel

4 жыл бұрын

What a great geeky comment!

@CIRCLEOFTONE

4 жыл бұрын

The obsession with mids on guitar forums of the early 2000's came hand in hand with the death of guitar in rock and metal. Mids mids mids = ear fatigue and common rules = vanilla sausage land. Guitar forums killed guitar production. V30 celestion SM57 close mic'd forever.

M I D R A N G E

@IETCHX69

4 жыл бұрын

Up please , if you could .

I think it would be better if he could just boost the midrange

@samxday

5 жыл бұрын

Konstantinos Vasios just a touch

@Craigjordan121

5 жыл бұрын

To 11.

@miked7795

3 жыл бұрын

So damn hilarious

@andriealinsangao613

Жыл бұрын

@@Craigjordan121 But why not turn the mids up to 10 and make it one louder?

All the midrange meme comments, but tbf, that IS the guitar's place. To emphasize the shit out of it is definitely a stylistic thing, but it's never really a bad thing until it becomes hysterically boxy.

So glad he chose THE riff for the demonstration!

If you watch carefully you'll hear him say the amp is an Ampeg B15, but skip to 7:24 and you'll see it's actually a VT-40, which is what he actually used on the record. Moments like this are why Homme's sound is notoriously secretive & tough to replicate. He didn't use many pedals on Songs for the Deaf, the only one he did use occasionally was a Super Hard On to push the amp a bit harder. People often assume he uses fuzzes & Big Muff-type pedals but his sound at least on this record is much more of a tube overdrive. It's cleaner than you think, he just plays super loud to get that sound.

@damienlott

4 жыл бұрын

Thx for the info

@TomsGreenMind

4 жыл бұрын

There's a story about the zvex SHO used on the record where a part blew in the pedal and Josh's tech opened it up to fix it, found a replacement part taped to the inside, because Zachary Vex know that part was prone to failure. He fixed it up and it sounded completely different! I can imagine that was a very frustrating part of the process!

@FadingFires

3 жыл бұрын

He chains them live too. Or at least he did. He has made a lot of gear changes since this album was released even going as far as to stop using his GPs live. He deliberately uses rare/unheard of equipment for doing that too. The really basic stuff about his approach aren’t exclusive to him, but the equipment itself could be considered as such. A lot of that stuff is modified by technicians too, as the guy mentioned. His sound is cool for what he writes, but his approach to his gear is what’s really great because there is so much more that can be done with it that he •doesn’t• do. Those types of setups are surprisingly awesome when used with other genres of rock music or just music in general, and that’s something I don’t see talked about much, if at all really.

@EQU143

3 жыл бұрын

@@nebula0697 Why so salty dude? Just let them have their fun.

@mislavsmusings

3 жыл бұрын

Tubeworks*

Eric Valentine is one of the most interesting and creative producers in the game. Really appreciate this video.

@Kaptaincarter

4 жыл бұрын

I'm still weighing discrepancies against novel ideas he employed, but I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

@kurdtjohn

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt about it. The sounds of his records kinda go against the grain of what we expect from a “rock” record.

Eric is so legit -- his overall technical skill as an engineer is on another level. All of the records he's either engineered and/or produced (regardless of genre) sound amazing.

My favorite Queens record. The guitar (and drum) sounds are just STELLAR. So, so good. Wish the band would go back to their heavier sound.

This video is amazing!, you can tell he’s treading lightly with the exact “rig setup” information lol, he’ll actually pause and think before he divulges too much...definitely a class act.

Really cool tip when he mentions the cab's speakers all converging at a particular area and placing a mic there. Going to have to give that a try in future sessions.

@Cantstandtherock

5 жыл бұрын

Martin I call that the “cone zone” it really is a cool thing.

@WompRok

Жыл бұрын

Apparently this is why I want a 4x10 now

The guitar sounds on that record are Devilishly good

7:25 'Old Ampeg portaflex B15' Ain't that the darnest thing! I must've read 'VT-40' wrong!

@colbymck

7 жыл бұрын

Just thought the same thing. That looks NOTHING like a B15. Nor is it a bass amp. It's a 4x10 guitar combo with the head removed and sitting on top! VT-40!

@jgharding2

7 жыл бұрын

This must have been a slip of the tongue, one old Ampeg amp blew up (an unfortunate fact of using old gear) and we had to swap it for another Ampeg, good spot! I'm assuming the one we were originally going to use was the Portaflex...

@jonhaugneskarlsen

7 жыл бұрын

Taking the chassis out of an Ampeg VT40 and putting it on top definitely doesn't make it a B15 ;) Haha Its common knowledge now that Josh Homme's sound is based around the Ampeg V4/VT40, so i don't know how they benefit from hiding it here, but cool video anyway!

@psychorock83

5 жыл бұрын

you 100% right probably this was the secret..but i ve to say, when he show the pictures of the amp set to record the album ,you can see a vintage V4b on 412cab

@Kaptaincarter

4 жыл бұрын

It gets weirder than that, The front face of that amp is IDENTICAL (except that it says VT-40) to the head sitting to my left which is an Ampeg VT-22! Of which I can only find variant combo demos of, haven't seen my head in a demo yet...

Slash, Queens of the Stone Age and smash mouth?

@ziphrox

6 жыл бұрын

Efe Bezmez Ikr how could they mention those two shitstains next to the allmighty Smash Mouth.

@h1th3r35

5 жыл бұрын

Elliott T buster boi did you call Queens of the Stone Age a shitstain? Degenerate lol

@adammays3128

5 жыл бұрын

At least they chose to omit saying "Good Charlotte" even though they showed the name. I'd take Smashmouth over GC haha

@haloskycrash

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah GTFO

@h1th3r35

5 жыл бұрын

@@emerald_archer i know it was a joke but it just hurt me inside bruv

Crazy how no pedals were used for the drive on these songs. I'm blown away

I woulda killed to have been a fly on the wall during those sessions!

the sound engineer is the musicians sorcerer !! haha

@soundgenius9226

5 жыл бұрын

No shit

@barneyrubble8255

4 жыл бұрын

All these bands...we worship, had these wizards behind the scenes to make them sound like gods

@juap

3 жыл бұрын

always

Great video - thanks for taking the time to do it! 🙌🏼

6:40. Thought Eric was gonna bust out into his Mick Jagger impersonation! Cool vid.

@maxrb67

7 жыл бұрын

madmuso5 HAHAHAHAHA Hilarious , how did you noticed ?!?!

@kukoshkin

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

awesome review, Eric, and killer sound. very impressive to witness a case study of sound engineering as an art form. thanks for sharing.

Long time qotsa fan. Thanks for the insight into the recording process. Fascinating!

Thank you for this. Great videos coming out as of late.

Awesome... very impressed how clearly and simply Eric laid out the approach QOTSA's awesome tones

Ampeg VT-40, a Boss SD-1 (really) with Level and Tone on Max, Gain on minimum and a Graphic EQ pedal boosting 400hz to the max with everything else on the EQ pedal flat. Can't remember the amp settings but there's probably a ton of photos from that tour. The amp is terrifyingly loud. Shame Boss don't make the PQ-4 anymore, it was a great pedal.

@mattg082

5 ай бұрын

Yep…I have the amp. But also a treble booster can get in the area of the Boss. That’s what the Boss pedal is emulating with those settings.

eric valentine is the fuckin champ. i’m back watching this video again after binging his channel

I’m about two beers away from buying that guitar...

@reverberateddreams7958

5 жыл бұрын

Tris Desnos go for it man!

@skylerwells1515

4 жыл бұрын

Well. . . .drink up man

@chrisfit

4 жыл бұрын

Did you do it?

@hickorymccay2994

4 жыл бұрын

It's pretty cheap. Not Squier level, more low end Gretsch level. About $550 if you get the modern version with FilterTrons and a metal bridge.

@ksaavedra_Immortalbelovedmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hold my beer.

To sum up the video, crappy amp heads, loads of expensive mics in a small room and oh yeah mid range mid range mid range boost and hell ad some more mids. Awesome though sounds epic!

@samxday

5 жыл бұрын

Nick Dillie ...and drop C 🤣

@xeroinfinity

5 жыл бұрын

i agree it sounds awesome. but I'd cut some of those Mids. lol

@connormorrissy3972

5 жыл бұрын

"Crappy amp heads" lmao the b-15 is amazing what

@kimmygibler760

4 жыл бұрын

Dont forget the half a million in rack gear.

@mikejones-vd3fg

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimmygibler760 Yet I can dial in a tone I prefer better with a $35 interface and free vst plugins.

Great video! Very cool to get insight from an insider on one of the best albums ever made!

The 441 by itself without the EQ cut sounded fantastic. Might have been an even better tone than the final combined tone.

@FiragoMusic

6 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!!!!

@metalupyourass9

6 жыл бұрын

It's all about in the mix though man

@jordankrecek880

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it probably did sound better isolated but the second it was in the mix it might have disappeared or all of the transients washed out. That extra layer of tone made a world of difference of where the guitar sat in the mix.

This was amazing! So interesting to watch thank you 😊

Kip Kaspar brought me here

@TheBarroomHero321

6 жыл бұрын

KLON radio - We play the songs that sound more like everyone else... than anyone else! KLON!

@viktorlevterov1823

5 жыл бұрын

...It's Songs for the Deaf....you can't even hear it

@TheGravyMonster

5 жыл бұрын

How we feeling out there? How's your drive-time commute?

@ThatFatGuy6969

5 жыл бұрын

I had a feeling that was him. His voice sounded super familiar

@Reign_In_Blood_963

3 жыл бұрын

"I need a saga... what's the saga? ...It's songs for the deaf.. you can't even hear it"

Been waiting for something like this

Can't believe how quiet everything is - would have expected a ton of hiss from all that mid range boost - especially from the EQ pedals. Wiring in his place must be pristine.

@paultweten1472

4 жыл бұрын

RIFFHANGER I am guessing he has filters maybe?

@johanherrera4055

10 ай бұрын

Compressors, maybe

Just stumbled on your videos. These are amazing.. Love the real in depth behind the scenes/nerd out.

This is a dope video! I love studio setup info, thank you!

Great video once again guys!

was always curious about this record! thank you!!

this vid is one of the best i've seen, but i'll still do it my way. i;m mostly applauding his conciseness. seriously, a good watch..

Great Video, inspiring! And what a great record!!

Great video.Very interesting approach!

Great video.

17:27 and this is what you get - Eric Valentine actually rocking out from his coldness... geez it takes a killer riff like that!

Great content, thanks Eric

you give me all the tips i needed for my sound THX !!!

F.. Fresh pots?

@xChrisS41x

7 жыл бұрын

Justin, FRESH POT!

@satevo462

7 жыл бұрын

Fresh POOOOOOOOTS

@rockrollinnolan8521

6 жыл бұрын

Justin, FRESH POOOOT!

@p0llenp0ny

6 жыл бұрын

Celebrate MEEEE!

@happyhellday3

5 жыл бұрын

I nearly forgot to watch that video today. Thanks for the reminder.

This is soooo good. Thanks for sharing. Greetz

Awesome stuff! I have lots of crappy equipment. Can't wait to get started!

Very interesting and well explained, easy to follow.

This is just beautiful

Nice, I just picked up a 1974 no distortion/master volume V40 for $350! It really gets that sound cranked with particular settings I find. Treble booster also helps to bring that sound home as well. But the EQ pedal boost is wild on top of the amps already 300hz boost. I still haven’t been able to make the mids at full on the amp work in a pleasing way. Maybe it’s the EQ pedal boost with that, that’s making it work here. But to be honest for a live scenario… just a treble booster, and amp settings sound like it to me. Then optional Foxxy Tone I use for octave up fuzz is cool. I could also see using a TS808 at 0 gain and set tone to cut bottoms on the way in…then let the amp boost at 300hz. Seems like a lot of cutting stuff out, and a puzzle to put other frequencies in from 250-1khz here. Then there’s the Boss drive at 0 gain, volume and tone all the way up to emulate a treble booster people have used. It seems secretive but not so secretive 6 years later, if you piece together others findings and if you own the gear. May not be spot on for recording, but getting the live sound not too hard. These amps bass is not easy to pick up, I find mic the back of my V40 has to be done, and front mic backed off 12in or off axis from the cone to work. 2 mic kinda setup

Excellent info. Thanks!

"Mentions big bands he's worked with" *shows Good Charlotte*

@Ottophil

4 жыл бұрын

Bobby sold milllions more than you

@rrrrrr1669

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ottophil we found the last good charlotte fan

@Ottophil

4 жыл бұрын

Bobby I’m not a fan at all. I can’t stand those dorks. I’m just saying they are waaaaay more famous than you dude

@Ottophil

4 жыл бұрын

Bobby um huh?

@rome8180

4 жыл бұрын

Uhhh....Good Charlotte was pretty damn successful. What are you talking about? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it wasn't popular.

Wow, I never would have thought of that technique in 400 years. Maybe they have been recording since the stone age?

@Spedly

7 жыл бұрын

you're not funny.

@adamr63

7 жыл бұрын

Your.

@gonzo_n_thetots9405

7 жыл бұрын

Their

@adamr63

7 жыл бұрын

There you are, you're their.

@phlopalopagus

7 жыл бұрын

Who would have guessed that is how the tone was made. Im not surprised I couldn't dial this in.

Heavy ass gauge strings on that 'ol Silvertone. I have an old silver tone from early 60's and I love the neck on it. The whole guitar weighs around 4-5 lbs. The wooden bridge cracked from age and I need to replace it after seeing this.That Jupiter has foil pick ups. Microphonic pickups and crazy sounding.Feedback.noisy. I love obnoxious tone. I love the high end shit too. Josh's Kyuss and Doom background give the Queens that sound and of course the magic happens in the studio. Thanks for the video S.O.S.M.

this is amazing. god bless eric valentine

This is great!!

Damn, this whole freakin time I thought there was Russian Muff somewhere in there... Its amazing how its just simply a blend of mics and eq pedals along with a hint of compression to get you close to Homme's classic sound. Very different approach to it all! I'm sure you'd proabably need to improvise a ton for a live sound, but for room playing and messing around/enjoyment playing there probably will be a lot more pedals lol. Awesome video!

@haloskycrash

5 жыл бұрын

9/10 methods of recording something is 'LESS IS MORE'.

@samedgar2283

3 жыл бұрын

Russian muff was a lead tone for a bit of it I’m led to believe

@lb2696

Жыл бұрын

@@samedgar2283 the Fulltone Ultimate Octave was the lead fuzz, often.

Beautiful!

ERIC is phenomenal.... what a producer... WOWSA ;-)

That’s like a 14:00 min intro to the guitar sound. Amazing

I feel like this video is chocked full of general truths and untrue specifics.

I'm gonna boost the mids 120dB, then EQ out the boxiness...

@AS-ug7gr

5 жыл бұрын

Where in the chain you EQ matters just as much as the Freq and Db ranges

Appreciate the effort

that was fantastic

So ALL that could be boiled down to this: Mids.

Excellent!

awesome! thanks

would like to see a video on the albums drum sound

@SHADETREE666

4 жыл бұрын

Jawknee .Newness overdubbed the cymbals

@-........

4 жыл бұрын

They used a really small, claustrophobic room. As shadetree said, they recorded the shells and cymbals seperately. I don't even think they used that much mics. A dynamic on the snare and maybe some small diaphragm condenser or ribbons on the toms.

@liamshanley_21

3 жыл бұрын

@@-........ toms weren't close mic'd on the album. I can't remember what the kick and snare mics were like but most of the drum sound for the shells is from room mics but in a small room

@messygamez5675

3 жыл бұрын

The drum sound is one of the few thing I dislike from this album. Dave's drumming is amazing, but the mixing leaves a lot to be desired for me.

@stoneylonesome4062

3 жыл бұрын

Dave Grohl was using Brant Bjork’s Ludwig drum kit for the album.

This dude is freaking brilliant

I think the main guitar used for both Rated R and Songs for the Deaf was the Ovation Ultra GP loaded with Dimarzio Super 2s. I can hear it on Rated R. The Dimarzios are obvious to me. He's holding it in pretty much all the footage of the sessions that exist and in live shows at the time. His main rhythm tone didn't change a ton between those two albums, although I think he used a different guitar on no one knows.

Was just about to mention a few Qotsa articles in SOS coming up to 20 years back that discuss equipment and recording methods when I realised this was an SOS video

Really interesting that overdrive is just coming from pushing so much mid and volume into the bass head! I had always assumed it was fuzz pedals all the way. Would have also been really interesting to see how the bass guitar was handled here, but it was probably a more conventional setup.

Awesome video and really informative! Funny thing is that the band wanted Homme to produce the album, however their record label insisted on an external producer. In the end Homme ended up doing most of what people would consider the producers work and Valentine ended up being more of an engineer.

@Labyrinth1010

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Makes sense to me.

I love the "mid-range" especially with my big block Chryslers.

Josh likes bass amps with guitars. Love how musicians think their some kind of wizards and need to protect their sound.

@TempoDrift1480

5 жыл бұрын

Locoandchooch I know right? You try to watch a tech video about a band you couldn't care less about and met with this pretentious bullshit... Like... Yeah let's look through the comments and see who else thinks it's dumb.

@walkerdeserttracer6767

4 жыл бұрын

Comes from a different era I guess.

I'm going to be honest, I'd be satisfied with the sound of the mic behind the amp only. Really creative way to achieve such a great tone.

@Labyrinth1010

2 жыл бұрын

Thank for your honesty.

Eric is an amazing human!

Great insight

This album destroys my earballs every day. It's recorded like 5 times louder than anything else, ever. Still dig it, but Loudness Wars.

@chadb1866

4 жыл бұрын

what?

@homeskateco.538

4 жыл бұрын

Chad B hahaha. NICE

@burninglcd

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's wonderful.

@Labyrinth1010

2 жыл бұрын

I hear you, it’s stupid-loud. Peak loudness wars, indeed. So many mixes destroyed by crushing the dynamics.

I'm beginning to think that maybe the "secret" to the sound of that album was boosting the mids... MAYBE...

really interesting. instead of using a fuzz pedal (which is essentially a midrange booster/distorter) they just cranked the mids with all sorts of eq's in the signal chain.

Great video! I have heard that Josh had also been using the Zvex Super Hard On pedal for his core sound on Songs For The Deaf album. (The movie "Fuzz, The Sound that changed the world")

@Psyfonify

7 жыл бұрын

i've heard he uses one of the somewhat older fulltone octave/fuzz pedals, but uses the fuzz only (then of course kicks on the octave switch for solo tones like little sister and stuff..little sister is definitely some sort of octave/fuzz) i think everyones probably thought that josh has used every fuzz under the sun, but it could be that he barely uses them at all. i think a really hard volume + midrange push on an ampeg vt-40 is probably it, but "no one knows"...

@johnnycab8986

7 жыл бұрын

Eric said most of the distortion was actually from most of the weird crappy amps they bought, The only fuzz they had in the studio was a Foxx octave fuzz. The guitar he doesn't mention here is that Homme was using an Ovation GP I htink.

@TheBrokenStairs

7 жыл бұрын

Fuzz tones were used mainly for lead tones (listen to the leads in Millionaire, Deaf, I'm Gonna Leave You). If it was tasty rhythm guitar riffage, chances are it was the boosted bass amps.

@mogmason6920

6 жыл бұрын

Johnny Cab Yep, there's a video on here from the SFTD recording sessions and josh is clearly using an ovation ultra gp to record the title track at least.

I understood none of this but like the bands music so much I watched the whole thing anyway.

Very interesting. QOTSA were one of the best sounding shows I've ever been to.

Eric for President! I wish for a remix of Back in Black mad by him, or perhaps a final proper AC/DC album. That would be rocksound deluxe!

What if you stack 2 EQ pedals and boost the hell out of midrange? or maybe 4? And then add a little 5 dB on the console like a cherry on the pie. Thank you for sharing wisdom, although i’m not going to even try sounding close to Kyuss and latter. It was interesting how they did it!

Eric...I doubt you’ll answer this, but I wanted to ask anyway. Was there a phase issue with the mic in back of the cab? Seems like having a mic in front and a mic in back would be 180 degrees out of phase. Did y’all flip the phase at the board? Or with the front mics being so far back that the phase issue was nullified? Just wondering. If you do get a chance to reply, many thanks in advance.

You can get pretty close with 3 pedals nowadays, the Stone Deaf PDF series (I use a 1-X as my parametric filter), EQ pedal and a compressor. The mic related stuff adds quite a bit to the sound though and having the 3 different mics around the room really fills out that sound but at least achieving most of the feel of it can be got with about 400 euro worth of pedals.

@R3TR0R4V3

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the Catalinbread SFT MKII on "Stoner" setting. 😉

Copyrighting rigs, I never understood. I've shared so many gear setups...playing through oddball shit is the best stories.

Hey, this guy has the sound of my Marshall micro stack 1/2W amp at full volume ! Btw congrat for this cool guitar choice !

@izeoftheworld41

3 жыл бұрын

BUT DOES IT PUSH AIR?!

*I can't feel the air in the room moving*

@bobsondugnutt5688

5 жыл бұрын

lol

Classic Album.

the midrange has been legendary among the queens camp, im curious if you showed that to josh, or he came in looking for that addition to his sound. songs for the deaf, imho, is the first time queens explored this avenue

@R3TR0R4V3

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he's always been mid heavy.. I'm sure you've heard the previous album, "Rated R". It's not all that far from those tones.

14:23 pulling the boxiness out of a burp. Reminded me of Rick Sanchez hahaaa

All this for it to be played on my shitty car speakers

@simondanielssonmusic

4 жыл бұрын

That's what music is all about dude haha

@_portsmyth

Жыл бұрын

If anything that's what they would have wanted - even more mid boost lol

wicked!

this guy easily would fit into a queens of the stone age concert

Fucking amazing ! Thank you so much!

Fabolous:)

The Maestro is the key for those super buttery, midrange-equalized leads.