how tf does this not have more views, great vid bro

@theshorebreaktenant960

3 жыл бұрын

Woah thanks man!! So awesome to hear Hope the streaming is going well for you

On EPS, gotta have a heavy glass job, not 6/4 6,… but at least 6/6 6, best 6/6 6/4, in order to have enough weight for good speed glide,… otherwise without enough weight EPS bogs or sort of 'stops' when paddling into waves.

Totally agree known this for 15 years surftech fan for years

EPS/Epoxy, like harder skate wheels in the park. Get on the street(bumpier wave) & either add weight to the board (thicker layup) or go PU: softer durometer..On a smoother wave face, a lighter, springier board(eps/epox) opens another element to speed/flow....the right equipment for the wave..the right construction for the ride...

great vid! i was debating on what construction to get for my new board and after watching this I'm defiantly gonna get a eps

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah man!

Great vid and very detailed breakdown!👍🏾 watched this vid to decide If mayhems new lightspeed technology is worth the extra buck, I now can confidently and safely assume it is!🤙🏾🤙🏾

@theshorebreaktenant960

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Kodi! Great choice on the board, Mayhem is one of my top 3 shapers for sure!

Best vid on the subject

I ride both epoxy and PU and there’s definitely a difference in the way they both ride. Since I got sponsored by savage surfboards they definitely opened my eyes to more epoxy for sure.

Great video 🔥🔥🔥

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!!

I've had loads of firewires, maybe 30 odd and there all very yellow now, my eps JS seems to be slightly whiter but it's definitely going yellow..

Had my EPS board for 1 week, hit a rock under water padding out ,put a cut in the glass and a pressure dink as well , pretty gutted. There not indestructible.

Bro!!! SUBSCRIBED!!! 😂❤

Great video, thanks! I really emphasize with the floating eps over the water on the wave issue though.. maybe i should get a lower volume. What are your thoughts about varial foam? I’d like to hear that!

@theshorebreaktenant960

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Roy! Really appreciate it Yeah you're spot on, whether your float is coming from more volume or a material with higher buoyancy, you're just looking for the right amount of it considering how and what waves you surf. Allocating some extra % of total volume in an EPS board towards center line is also valuable as the rate at which active buoyancy increases in an EPS is faster as the board knives into the wave. This can be valuable to stop yourself getting bogged in deep carves where the board is more parallel to the wave, situations where I have got stuck on PUs in the past are seldom an issue on my EPS now which keeps my rail dug into the wave face without going too deep! Thanks for putting me onto Varial I had never looked into them before I dug about their website, and it appears to me that what they offer is a PU foam that is too some degree deeply impregnated with resin. I think it is PU because Varial boards can be ordered with Poly or Epoxy resins, where an EPS board would melt if PU resin was applied to it, and they aren't claiming any brand new form of foam that is changing the game completely. The resin impregnation comes from vacuum bagged application to push the resin into foam post blank manufacturing, which makes it stronger. What is odd is they seem to be presenting a characteristic enhanced by their patent, stiffness of the board, as reducing chatter when riding. This by all other accounts is the singular realistic drawback in EPS boards, which are known to be stiffer than PU. (also very interesting; Varial did a flexion test on their website regarding stiffness of epoxy vs poly resin and found epoxy resin significantly more flexibly) So Varials boil down to be a longer lasting, lighter, stiffer PU board. Comparatively, an EPS could be described as a longer lasting, stiffer, lighter, more buoyant, much better for the environment alternative to a PU board Would be great to hear your thoughts, cheers!

@robertcain3426

2 ай бұрын

​@@theshorebreaktenant960 In regard to buoancy, it is a product of weight/area. Simply put, if two objects have identical shape and weight, they will have the same buoancy, regardless of what they are made from. An example of this is concrete boats. So bouancy is a product of weight and area. EPS is more buoant because it is lighter for a given area. Make an equivalently weighted PE board and the buoancy would feel the same. And visa versa.

great points. But i would argue that there are some other things to consider with firewire. They’re produced to cost as little as possible and sell for as much as possible, which means they are glassed ridiculously light and break easily, but also cost A LOT. This results in people spending a lot of money on a board that’ll break quickly - throw it away - and buy a new one. That is not sustainable at all, and whilst i 100% agree on the points you are making about how you can adapt to make eps/epoxy superior, firewire are NOT one of those who does it right.

Great vid. Jess, I'm almost thinking I know that location your standing at. Surf it even. But I go in from the left of the shoreline 😀 The arguments of EPs boards feel chop is a week one, and I feel it only adds to the stigma to allow us to move forward with better tech. It's common knowledge that EPs has more boyency then PU. So to counteract the obvious, go smaller or ask for less volume. To add. A board riding over chop, is faster then pushing thro it. (No one mentions this simple physics attribute). I get it. I'm nostalgic too. And used to be strongly brand loyal. But age has a funny way of opening your eyes. Ignorance maybe bliss, but it also holds you and others back.

How would you compare stringered EPS, to stringerless?

I mean... the only thing that makes me want to have a PU board is the soft touch feeling of the material. It''s really a nice feeling. Kinda makes you cudle with the board :) but lets be honest, for the majority of the people like me (beginer / intermediate level) epoxy makes all the sense. It lasts longer and floats better, helping you to padle and catch more waves. We all know that more waves = more pratice = more surfing time = more fun = better surf progression. Imagine paying 700€ for a PU board and after 2weeks you already have couple of dings in the board. That is depressing :( . I rather pay 100€ more knowing the board will last longer and wont have to worry about dings or big damages. I do have an epoxy and have to say in those windy days its quite anoying to padle back to offshore throught the bumps because the board keeps boucing.

@theshorebreaktenant960

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much for the comment! I'm a little confused what you mean by soft touch? I don't find much difference in cuddlability between the two, to the touch they should be the same. Tuflite EPS construction is very hard, that i wouldn't cuddle with gloves on

@bonsummers2657

Жыл бұрын

Use Epoxy resin on PU. EPS is the chattery situation. EPS vs. PU. Epoxy can be done on both.

Some great info. I switched over to EPS and glassing my boards stronger years ago with no regrets. Only thing I have been cautious about is heat, living in Florida I have been hesitant about leaving my EPS boards in the car because I've heard they are more sensitive to heat. I've messed up a few times and haven't had a delamination yet. Any truth to this or info on it?

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Rich! Great question that's put me in a little research dig, I've learned a lot. Not high level sources but I think it's enough to go off. I was told in the comment section here that larger EPS products sometimes have vents to prevent heat, which I've never seen on a board unless they sneak them into the leg-rope grommet thing. Searching for that I found a good video by Andrew W and a great comment section. His test confirmed EPS does expel gas so heat would encourage delam and the vent is good. But remember we all still shorthand XPS as EPS, and in the comment section Andrew says XPS doesn't need a vent as this doesn't happen due to cells being bonded closed. Guys there were also saying they've left their EPS/perhaps XPS boards in the heat without issue (one guy was from FL). Also heard from another source that they can add an anti-delam agent to EPS/XPS boards that isn't available in PU. If you wanted to really work it out you could evaluate the heat expansion characteristics of their makeup: EPS being carbon and hydrogen, PU being nitrogen and oxygen, and some carbon and hydrogen thanks for the question, good luck keeping the boards alive up there!

@richd2744

2 жыл бұрын

@@theshorebreaktenant960 I remember when the origional FST firewire surfboards had a vent, but then they stop producing them with vents and said it wasn't necessary, although that's an alternative construction that used a whole different type of deck skin. I had a few of them that didn't have a vent and at that time I never even thought about not leaving my surfboard in my car, I had left the things in my car in the summer in Florida for hours and even overnight one time without any issues. Only thing is because those boards were made of an aerospace composite they never really had many pressure dents anyways, so it's hard to say if it would have delamed if it had been a regular eps construction. Unfortunately the new Firewires are not nearly as durable as the former FST construction. I'm wondering if glassing a board heavier in your normal EPS epoxy would help it be more resistant to heat.

EPS you can leave it out like you said if it's vented. Otherwise, it will delaminate. And besides, I recommend never to leave any board out on the sun but when riding. Take care of it like your skin.

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah theres limits to everything, hyperbole for brevity there Though odds are you'll get away with it fine from what I've seen Your bike build and shock rebuild videos look cool, will check them out some time

@Surfmus

2 жыл бұрын

@@theshorebreaktenant960 Thanks, one of those is an old video. Got a few of shaping vids there as well. Although at the beginning I missed the flexibility of PU, EPS/Epoxy sure last longer and floats better.

For me the only struggle is that suck in so much water, if you go out surfing with a small ding. By know I was not able to fin an EPS foam that not suck in water.

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know too many blank brands but if you can get your hands on Marko Foam blanks their density is almost exactly equal to PU blanks so they won't suck in water more than PU

@tummygoat33

10 ай бұрын

Try varial or Xtr blanks..

@jackquarantillo5192

8 ай бұрын

Just buy a ding stick, and fix that ding before it has a chance to suck in any water. (This was recommended to me by my shaper.)

Another quest is how to calculate the correct volume for EPS. Would anyone happen to know an EPS volume calculator?

@bacalao9554

2 ай бұрын

That would be nice

I was wanting a pyzel gremlin but it’s only available in PU. The other alternative was lib tech construction. But i really liked the gremlin. Aaah it’s annoying.

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Pyzel has got a great reputation for sure. The Gremlin looks just like a Lost Puddle Jumper HP, can definitely recommend that (and swear by it's non-HP counterpart). Could also go for a Stretch Buzz Saw, DHD 3DX or XRS, or I'm sure Misfit and Chilli have got something on the level too. Haven't looked into it too much, I have heard some build quality issues with the Lib construction, that was a while back though they could have sorted it, pricey right?

"EPS doesn't yellow" Crock of shit mate. Something is yellowing faster than PU on all my EPS boards. Firewires start to yellow as you hand over your last dollar in the sales transaction. Not saying they are better or worse, but they yellow faster than the french...

Awesome vid, I was always confused with the 2 types now I’m sold on EPS! just gotta find where I’m going to get an extra $200 from

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!

Hi. I have read a little about repsa in capital cities, but what service is in place to actually recycle eps from a surfboard. Until eps boards are being recycled as the norm , then surely this is greenwash. It is a noble pursuit to lessen our impact for sure however it seems like where-ever and whenever I surf whether it be Culburra, Noosa, Kalbari etc there are always enormous military craft bellowing about along the beaches , continuously wargaming. It really puts the end user guilt trip into perspective for me. Green groupthink in happy co-existence with gross corporate militarism. Firewires in the ford ranger with the jetski kinda thing. As it happens I own two boards, a firewire and a Gary Mcneil. Both eps. Both bodacious. Hopefully when I snap them in triple overhead barrels (or a drone obliterates me for not carrying my waterproof wearable proof of booster# 23 sold by Geoffrey Epsteins island compadres) err..where was I ... oh yes, hopefully I can recycle them. I feel like it is something each coastal council should get into, instead of giving ratepayer money to a company for carbon credits , to spruke 'neutrality' , when said credit trader is owned by kkr, and chaired by David Petraeus, and the credits are generated by measuring eremophila scrub that is just a touch taller than 2m therefore it meets csiro meth as 'forest'. Ughhh ....

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Woah that's a hell of a comment! Thanks I enjoyed it You've got some great points, you're right the general recycling rate particularly in Aus is not good at all. And our enviro impact is dwarfed by industry and that core element of global politics; sharpening of our sticks to rattle against our shields. But with respect I don't think these are grounds to reject the EPS value proposition. Firstly not that you disputed it, but even on hypothetically equal environmental impact footing I think EPS is superior to PU in the vast majority of surfing applications. As you said you have EPS boards but just wanted to mention it, environmental impact is my main motivation for making the video but not my only motivation for riding EPS. With that out of the way, on to the environment Regarding not having a service available to recycle boards currently; for one even if EPS was not recyclable it is still vastly superior due to the emissions and poisons leached by PU that are not present in EPS, a hazard to people and the environment. And while there isn't a means that I know of to recycle boards currently, methods to do so are being trialled and one day it is far from a stretch to believe there will be a publicly available way to recycle EPS boards. When that day comes would you rather we have created a million poisonous PU planks that can't be recycled, doomed to slowly poison the soil they are piled on? Or a million EPS boards they will find in the dumps and recycle? My answer regarding the 'MRAPs emit more than I ever will' argument is a little softer so bare with me but I am certain of this. We all have a picture of who we are, and what we do each day is going to change that picture. To be happy you need to ,1 like that picture, and 2, stay true to that picture. Yeah there's bad people damaging the world infinitely more than you will be able to counter, but you need to ask yourself if you want to feel good or not. Because no ones out there feeling good knowing they're doing the wrong thing, the satisfaction doesn't come close. I've tried the hedonist lifestyle and it made me miserable, it doesn't matter how many barrels you ride, you're only going to be happy when you do what you believe is right. Anyway back to work

@newvillagefilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@theshorebreaktenant960 Aren't they both petroleum based products? The feedstock is benzene which is essentially derived from fractional distillation of petroleum in oil refineries.

@theshorebreaktenant960

2 жыл бұрын

Hey man, yeah that is true. I take it you're saying this to infer they should both be recyclable or that they are a both toxic? If either of these, regarding the former I'm not sure why but by all reports I have checked which amounted to maybe 10 different sites, for some reason you can recycle EPS and not PU. I'm not sure why, it could come down to chemical treatment that makes it hazardous or unsuitable for remolding or something else I can't imagine. If you're referring to it being as toxic as PU due to a shared base material, I don't know much about benzene, sorry about that. Contextually it would seem eco-minded manufacturers are not too concerned about benzene toxicity in leaching and/or fumes, but that could be a lesser of available evils decision. Other chemicals noted to be harmful are not present in EPS though, and environmental impacts are reduced. Obviously best policy regarding petrolium products is to use as few as possible, which again EPS helps by lasting longer. Due to much more expanded cells of the benzene product in EPS, much less of it is used in EPS as well Sorry that is absolutely not my best prose, I hope it is readable Thank you for contributing

CT surfers get 100 +/- boards a year, free. Those shapers don't want to supply eps boards because epoxy resin is extremely pricey. It's cheaper to let all those boards go to the landfill. And as you stated, it's a specialized process, which takes years to learn and more time producing in the glass room. I speak firsthand from decades of using epoxy👊🏻🤙🏻

I have nothing against eps boards I ride both but this bullshit that they're better for the environment is total bullshit. If anything they're worse.

@burnout9069

6 ай бұрын

Lay out the difference in your actual research to validate suck claim. All to many preach, second hand information, it's not funny.

@geoffreymccann2841

6 ай бұрын

@@burnout9069 your 100% right there is no research to say eps is better for the environment. I'd like to see that data also.