This is perfect!! I just bought a 7 mag yesterday and I’m still learning! Watched everyone of your 7 mag videos

@lawrencekirchheimer734

28 күн бұрын

Google Les Bowman he invented the 280-338 then indroduced it to two people he was guiding them (1960) that worked for Remington.

The first gun that I hunted with at 12 yrs old was my grandfather's 300 Win Mag. I had never shot it and when I asked about it kicking my dad said that if I was shooting at a big bull I wouldn't even notice it and he was right. After that I was never bothered by the recoil when I shot it at the range. My actual first rifle was a 7mm Rem Mag that I used as my primary hunting rifle for years.

Thanks for another great episode! I’m a fan of the 7 rem mag and find it’s best reloaded. Does everything I need it to do out here in Wyoming.

708 for deer & 35 Whelen for bigger critters .2 guns for all .

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Not a bad system. Not bad at all.

@davidneal6920

Ай бұрын

And I bet you know how to use them Phillip. 708 is a great all rounder for deer

@robertpetersson5655

Ай бұрын

​@@RonSpomerOutdoorsin sweden 6.5x55 and 9.3x62

@michaeltosser7363

Ай бұрын

280AI and a 9.3x62 for me, but same idea - 2 guns for all the big game.

@JamesClark-lw6sw

28 күн бұрын

And if you just used a properly loaded 30'06, it would easily do the work of both rifles. Especially so if you handload.

My ol man used a Remington.280 for years… loved it. Ammo got harder and harder to find. Went to .270 a few years ago…. Hasn’t looked back. I went from .308 to .270 - And the same… haven’t looked back. My 11 year old son…. We bought him a 7mm-08… love it. Ammo can be tough to find in stores… but hasn’t been too bad online…

For purely historical nostalgia reasons, Boer War South Africa and W D M Bell, noted elephant hunter, I bought two 7 x 57 Mauser Rifles. A custom FN action bolt rifle and a Ruger #1 with a full Mannlicher style stock. I appreciate the history of this cartridge. Anything I cannot take with this cartridge I use my Mauser K98 Oberndorf actioned .375 H&H. I enjoy listening to your informative channel.

@orion45acp

Ай бұрын

Love that Number 1

@toddhall5565

Ай бұрын

I've got two 7×57s myself, an Interarms Mark X and a 1920 Spanish Mauser that has been sporterized. I've been familiar with the 7X57 basically my entire life as my dad hunted with an old military Mauser that had been customized. I just recently bought a 1906 German Kar98 (in 8X57 of course) and am looking forward to taking it into the woods this coming season.

@toddhall5565

Ай бұрын

Your Ruger #1 has pretty much been a dream rifle of mine ever since I was a teenager back in the 80s!

@ibnewton8951

Ай бұрын

@@toddhall5565 They’re still around. Besides the 7 x 57 Mauser #1 I have, I also have two others: Ruger # 1 Tropical in .416 Rigby Ruger # 1 Varmint in .22-250 They’re beautifully made.

Love to see people giving the superb Randy Selby a silent nod for his info on the 7mm Remington Magnums creator Les Bowman and the cartridges history. ( 280-338 win mag)

I really like my 7mm-8 for whitetail and such. I have a 7mm rem mag that is a good shooter. I am not going to pull the trigger on the 7mmPRC until the velocity issues are sorted out. I am thinking about another 7mm REM Mag in 1-8 twist, Browning or Remington.

@oblivionpro69

Ай бұрын

bought the PRC simply because I couldn’t find a 7 rem mag with a better than 1-9.5 twist. Btw if you reload the velocities are better with the PRC, the velocity issue is only with the factory ammo. Probably bad powder

@charlessmith4242

Ай бұрын

* Since I already have a 7mm Rem. Mag., if I wanted the PRC advantage I'd just rebarrel my Rem. Mag with a faster twist rate to the new barrel. Maybe, even add a couple of inches more. Since I handload I won't have a problem getting ammo, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the rifle/ammunition manufacturers pushing the PRC are probably not going to load any cartridges with those high B.C. bullets for use in the Rem. Mag. At least for awhile until the PRC has a chance to get going. Just my thoughts.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Also, they may never load high B.C. bullets in 7mm Rem Mag because the 10,000s of owners would buy it and then complain of poor accuracy. @@charlessmith4242

@williamgoldston5803

Ай бұрын

@@charlessmith4242 I thought about a new barrel, but I hear the talk about chamber tolerance in the 7mm PRC. Either way I have to start back with reloading. I was just trying to get started when everything disappeared.

@TomL3grandsons

Ай бұрын

Apparently Hornady has stated that they were originally were using Reloader 26 when they published the fps and now they are having problems getting Reloader 26. Allegedly.

For deer hunting I handload my 7mm Remington magnum with the 139 grain Hornady interlock bullets down to 3140 fps. This is about like the 280 AI. For elk I handload the 175 grain nosler partition bullets at 2960. It takes em down Pronto no matter if it's deer or an elk so I don't care what anybody says

280-338 Les Bowman did this in 1960. He was a guide and had two employees (Mike Walker) from Remington on an elk hunt. They presented this to Remington and Les Bowman spoke to Remington. 1962 Remington called it the 7MM Rem mag.

7mm Rem Mag is a .375 H&H magnum case necked down to 7mm. That alone quantifies it as a magnum as far as I am concerned.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

The 7mm Rem Mag uses a shorter version of the case (2.5" vs 2.85"), but it is definitely still a magnum! The 7 RM is a 338 Win Mag necked down or a 264 Win Mag necked up.

@OldSoulBallistics84

Ай бұрын

WRONG

@patrickhenry236

Ай бұрын

Yes, it is a magnum, and can be loaded to its full potential which factory loads do not achieve now.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@patrickhenry236 The factory loads are restricted to the specs that Remington submitted to SAAMI in the early 1960's. It is limited to 61,000 psi max pressure and a max overall length of 3.29". Both are a bit baffling since some other existing cartridges using that rim diameter were at 65K psi and the Rem Mag was usually chambered in rifles that could handle the 30-06's length of 3.34". The cartridge gains performance when loaded hotter and longer.

@patrickhenry236

Ай бұрын

@@jfess1911 even today though, the 7mm mag is under loaded in factory form usually. Most ammo companies do not load to maximum SAAMI spec. Another example even more visible is the 44 mag, which was developed to push a 240gr bullet at 1400 fps at the muzzle for factory ammo. Over the years since the rounds debut the 44 magnum has been downloaded to the point where a usual average for that weight I around 1250 fps. Most companies are doing this for a legal "cause" deniability. As rifles and pistols age, lower pressure ammo poses less risk of causing a failure and subsequent litigation. If someone handloads, there I no recourse requirement, for example a person can't sue McDonald's if they try to make their own Big Mac at home and get sick from it being under cooked. Remington also has a history of under loading cartridges on inception (fear of putting a 280 into a 270 chamber, or fear of putting a 7mag into a 264 chamber). That is why as you noted, the same rifle in a similar cartridge has no issue with a higher pressure, but Remington chose to low ball it.

Tikka t3x is available in 7mm REM mag and is hard to beat for quality and accuracy.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

The 7 Rem Mag is a good cartridge. These days, it seems that the cartridge is limited, for factory ammo, at least, by its SAAMI specs. For some reason, Remington limited its COAL to 3.29", even though it is usually put into longer actions. The max pressure was also made lower than other magnums, at 61,000 psi, not 65,000 like many other cartridges. That is partly why handloaders can get so much better performance, they load longer and hotter.

I have been using 7MM variants on and off for deer hunting for 20 years. Great all rounder and excellent combination of power, trajectory with a huge range of projectile types 🇺🇸 🇳🇿. Mind you I also have a soft spot for the 30 cal family of cartridges so have a foot in both camps!

Bought a used gun once where the shells kept getting stuck. Turns out they didn't finish reeming the chamber. At some point I need to put the barrel up on a lathe and run a finishing reemer through it.

Well Done .n I hope to get the book.

I have a 7X64 here in South Africa. Love it! My next buy will be the 7 PRC... when they become available here one day!

Just get a 7mm-08 or 280 Ackley and you'll have all you need for 99.9% of your big game hunting for the lower 48, done!

@ronlowney4700

Ай бұрын

I Couldn't Agree More! 👍😁

@propertypreparedness6846

Ай бұрын

100%

@ronlowney4700

Ай бұрын

🤔 I Feel the Same Way About My 270 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield! 💥

@terryhenry8243

Ай бұрын

​@@ronlowney4700 Well, a guy with great common sense!

@PatchedRoundBall

Ай бұрын

As long as 7mm-08 has a longer barrel. I have one with a 20" barrel that I can't get out of 2600s fps. Which is completely fine for deer etc, but my 24" barrels have no prob getting 200 fps more. Which I feel is a minimum for where I hunt elk. 280ai is my favorite overall cartridge ever produced.

I would use a chamber hone on that 7mm Rem Mag, and polish the chamber, b4 any other action.

@craigleibbrand7761

Ай бұрын

I'd take it to a gun smith

Hey Ron great show. I heard that only 50% of hunters, fishermen, and outdoors people vote. I believe that if you spoke about the importance of our rights and hitting the poles before hitting the woods and waters it would make a big difference. Blessings

280 Rem not could have been . It is a good cartridge!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Indeed. It's just not factory loaded to its potential. But if you handload... dynamite.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, I think you are right about the downloading of the 280 for the semi-auto rifle. The model 740 was never chambered in the 270 Win, although the pump action 760 was. The 270 was not offered until 1981 with the updated model 7400.

A comment to the gentleman in Maine with the 7mm Remington Magnum that will not extract hot rounds. Had the same problem with a youth 700 Remington 243. It had a tight chamber problem. They sent it to 2 different gunsmiths came back with the same issue. Finally, told them I my manufacturing background with pressures barrels, universal receivers, and testing equipment. Magically, the 3rd time was a charm. They re-barreled the rifle and sent it back. I took down and traded it for a Tikka T3 youth and have been happy. It breaks my heart to see the decline in Remington thru all the change of ownership. I am sure the new owner will make things right return the quality.

@jefferywilliams7687

Ай бұрын

P.S. I would contact Remington and send the letter certified advising them of the issue and the rifle is not safe. You may seek legal representation on this issue.

Wonderful Podcast. A couple of comments. I highly recommend the 155 Grain Federal Terminal Ascent in a 7 mm. The bullet has a .586 BC and is a Partition/A-Fram Style Bullet with all High BC features and on two bull elk have retained over 86% mass. Twist is not an issue. I load them for my Granddaughter in a 7mm Weatherby Magnum with a 1-10” twist. Norma/Wby Brass, Federal 215M Primer, and RL 26. We have two different Mark V’s both with 24” barrels. Her rifle will produce 1st cold shot average velocity of 3,301 FPS. The other is 3,256. I highly recommend you give them a try. Federal produced quality ammunition with this bullet for the 7mm Remington Magnum and produce a new 170 Terminal Ascent for the 7mm PRC. I my only complaint is they are out of stock for the reloading public. Federal please make some bullets available.

Have enjoyed your shows for sometime Ron, and remember reading years ago in American Hunter about your California Bighorn Sheep you killed in Idaho which had me hooked on your adventures. What I can't understand is why so much time spent on the 7mm Rem and 7mm PRC since the old grandpa cartridge 7mm Weatherby beats them both😉 Just loaded some 165 grain Sierra Gamechangers and getting and average of 3023 out of my 1-8 twist 26 inch Lija barrel. Shooting sub MOA everytime to the range so it looks like I found my hunting bullet this year. Great stuff Ron and keep up the excellent work. God Bless and take care!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

You have a long memory, Jeff. Thanks for reading and listening! You're right about that old Wby. Beats both "newcomers." Good luck on all your hunts.

I use the 140 GR BERGER in my 7 MM WSM IT has been working good for me.

Ron you might need to talk with Randy over at Randy’s Custom Rifles about the real beginning and reason for the development of the 7mm Remington Magnum to get your historical background correct!

@JamesClark-lw6sw

28 күн бұрын

He won't. Spomer likes fiction better.

In regards to the comment about sectional density and penetration, there are three factors concerning penetration. 1. Mass (good on Ron for pointing this out) 2. Resistance (diameter, profile, expansion) 3. Obstruction (bone, hard muscle, soft muscle, fluid dynamics) All sectional density is is a representative number of the ratio concerning mass to diameter of the bullet at the onset of penetration (because bullets will shed mass and increase in diameter when traveling through an animal.

7 rem mag has treated me very well for the last 35 years. Just ask all the deer, hogs, and bear. I must admit, nowadays, I find myself admiring 7mm-08.

Love all the ( magnificent) sevens Ron great video!

Never been a magnum fan. I finally pulled the trigger on a 7mm cartridge a few years ago in the 280 AI. Also got a 7mm-08 for my daughter for her birthday. The only other 7mm I really want is a .275 Rigby, by Rigby (I know it is the same thing as a 7x57mm Mauser, don't care, want the Rigby). Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

275 Rigby is a cool title. I was going to have that roll stamped on my latest Parkwest Arms rifle until the builder reminded me that when traveling to some foreign countries (like South Africa) to hunt, one's ammunition head stamps must match the caliber/cartridge roll stamp on the barrel. Given how difficult it is to find factory ammo or even raw brass headstamped 275 Rigby, the prudent thing to do was go with 7x57. You choice. Either way, you've got a find cartridge.

My 7mm rem mag with 140 Winchester deer season XP shoot one hole groups and the velocity in listed at 3100fps on the box but I'm getting 3200fps average out of my Savage 116 so it's a great MAGNUM round.

Here's my thoughts on the 7 WSM: Having owned the 7, 270 & 300 WSM cartridges, I can tell you that they're all great choices. Here my theory as to what happened. The 300 wsm was first & America has always chosen 300 cal bullets, starting with the 06. The 270 win was the American sweetheart of the 06 cased rounds. The 7 wsm has better bullet choices at the time, but by the time it hit the market - the thirst had been quenched. Just a little too late to the party. 😢

Clean and then polish (very lightly) your chamber Bob. And be careful that your load that you are using is not too hot. Use Iosso Nylon Brush and their Bore Cleaning Paste.

The 7mm Mauser is my favorite 7mm cartridge. In a quality Mauser rifle it can be pushed to plus p pressures for more power. Standard factory loaded ammo is also very plesant to shoot.

The key to the 7mm Magnum is powder choice. My favourite bullet weight is the 160-166….

I have a Ruger in 280 rem that I reload for 140gr doing 3000 and win power points doing 2875 all from a 22" I down load it for 708 vels great all around cal I always used a 3006 but not I love the 280 shooting . 75" with both bullets .

I've been using Norma Whitetail 150 grain in my 3006 last couple of years on whitetails. Have very happy with its performance.

@edwardabrams4972

Ай бұрын

Norma made Weatherby ammo for years and one of the best ammo’s for the price🙌

You're right. Charles Askins died in 1999. I remember reading his articles and his stories about his shoot-outs on the border.

Wow, this is a difficult subject to broach. From the 7mm Mauser to the 284 Winchester, 280 (Express, Rem, AI) and 7 Mag and everything else. The 7mm family is probably the most loved or hated bullet diameter out there depending upon who you ask. Heaven forbid you even discuss the 7 Ultramag, 7mm Weatherby, or 28 Nosler class of fire breathing dragons.

@tarmaque

Ай бұрын

Who on dog's green earth doesn't like 7mm?

@BadBusiness.357

Ай бұрын

I just hate that I only have a 7mm rem mag.

@edwardabrams4972

Ай бұрын

@@tarmaqueRyan on Vortex nation doesn’t like 7 rem mag😳 but what does he know🤣

@edwardabrams4972

Ай бұрын

@@BadBusiness.357the 7 rem mag is the top selling 7mm of all time except maybe the 7x57 Mauser. The only magnum that has come close in magnum sales is the 300 win mag! I am a 60+ year rifle collector reloader and hunter and think it’s in the top 4 cartridges for all around hunting in American! And having owned over 50-60 in the 7 rem mag and having owned almost every cartridge except the 460 Weatherby and being able to handload and hunt with all the cartridges it’s in the 4 top cartridge I would pick🙌

@BadBusiness.357

Ай бұрын

@@edwardabrams4972 lol I really love it it's my favorite cartridge I just want other ones to experiment with. I'd love to get a 7x57 Mauser my grandpa used to have one.

Great video. Lots of good content. The 7 PRC is interesting. Backfire recently did a video on the 7 PRC and 6.8 Western testing factory velocities. The factory Hornady 7 PRC did not match up to the box velocity by quite a bit. But the 6.8 Western did. So I think that new 7 PRC buyers might not be getting the 3000fps as advertised. Backfire was getting something a little over 2800fps. Of course handloading may be the ticket however Federal has 3 loads 170gr Terminal Ascent, 175gr ELDX and 155gr Terminal Ascent. I have not seen any in the stores as of yet but someone will do a velocity test I’m sure

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

Hodgdon's reloading data has 10 loads over 2,900fps and one at 3083fps (well below the max pressure), so 3000fps is not out of the question. I suspect that Hornady is having trouble getting the right powder. In their podcasts, they mention that sometimes they need to substitute lower-performing propellant when the best one isn't available. I think they should change the numbers on the box when that happens.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

In a response on the Hornady podcast site, a Hornady rep admitted that they could not get the faster powder and used a slower one for a while. Personally, I think they should change the specs on the box when they do this.

@larrysayers1377

Ай бұрын

@@jfess1911 it would be nice if all ammo companies gave a true velocity estimates on common calibers. Barnes produced a 190gr original for the 30-30 and they list 1940fps in an 18” barrel and 2040fps in a 24” barrel. He chrony’d it in his 20” Marlin and got 5 shot avg 2035fps.

@SeanJonesDPT

Ай бұрын

@@jfess1911kinda defeats the purpose of the cartridge no? The claim was 3k with 175s out of a factory fun. Turns out to be bunk. Meanwhile it’s easy to run 175 elite hunters out of a 7mm rem mag at 3k plus with some h1000. PRC was overhyped. They should have based it on the LRM from gunwerks. It won’t replace the RM. especially now with companies making 1-8 twist rem mags the norm.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@SeanJonesDPT Hornady made a big error by not re-labeling its ammo velocity when they had to switch to a slower powder. That is false advertising. If you read the 2022 articles, though, many testers got over 3k fps with the earlier 175 factory ammo. If you look at reloading data, the PRC is faster with 175 bullets, that is if you stick to SAAMI specs. Both get faster when pushed beyond them. The 7 Rem Mag is an excellent cartridge, especially at normal hunting distances. It is is held back, though, by its SAAMI length and max pressure (3.29" and 61K psi). For example, the 175 Elite Hunter has an ogive slightly too long for a SAAMI-length load (unless the ogive is inside the neck). The 7RM benefits when loaded longer and at higher pressures, which is how you get 3Kfps with the Elite Hunter. The 7 PRC is a long-range match cartridge that can be used for hunting. It designed to run sleeker, heavier bullets at higher pressure and still fit in a 3.34" 30-06 length action. The 7 Rem Mag needs a longer than standard action and a faster-than-standard-twist barrel to match it. The 7 PRC is very similar to the Gunwerks LRM. In the Gunwerks podcast about the 7 LRM and PRC, the developer of the LRM states about the case capacity of the 7 PRC: "it's gotta be dead nuts or just a little bit more than the 7 LRM" (32:35 in the podcast).

Ron, at 27:50 the guy from Nova Scotia never tells you the bullet weight for the TSX bullet he wants to try. BUT he states that the BC is .392. You assumed that he was talking about a 140 grain bullet but not so. The only TSX 7MM bullet listed with a .392 BC is the 160 TSX Flat Base. A fairly heavy bullet for a standard factory rifle right?

On that 7mm shell sticking in the chamber issue. Are they factory, or reloads, maybe the head space in not correct ,or your die set is not set right to bump the shoulder back a couple of thow every time you resize the case. Just my thoughts, And the next Question is ,do the empty cases show any pressure, like cratered primers or flattened primers. That indicates maybe too much powder ,bullets seated to long , that causes to much pressure.

My Mdl 70 in 7 mag will put the first three shots in a small cover leaf at 100 yard!

What do you think about the lies of speed they clam on the 7prc 😢

@northernoutdooradventures3883

Ай бұрын

It shows that Hornaday has some integrity issues!

@KB-ld6ql

19 күн бұрын

I'll never ever going to use ELD Bullets on anything but paper ever again.

I’ve updated all Remington rifles with a Sako style extractors. Just found that the Remington extractors were so pathetic that they could not cam the case out of the chamber.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Not a bad idea, although I'm not sure the extractor hook is doing any camming action. That's the bolt and locking lugs with the hook just hanging onto the rim so as to pull it out. But it is a small hook somewhat infamous for failing.

I have been looking for data on loading the 7mm REM. Mag. Using Hodgdon Superformance powder I can’t seem to find any. I see it for some similar sized newer cartridges , 7PRC, 300 WSM, etc. but nothing for the old 7 mag. My deal is have a Mod. 700 7mm. and just before the new 7 RUM came out I had it rechambered to 7 RUM which left me with boxes and boxes of 7 mag and no rife to shoot it. About that time light weight mountain rifles were getting popular so I was thinking of something else in .284. I had my eye on a used Mod. 700 ADL 7 mag . at my local gun shop when I met a gunsmith at a sportsman show that had made a 5 1/2 pound w/scope mountain rifle out of a Mod. 700 chambered in .270 win., light bulbs started going off. I asked him about the possibility of doing that to the 700 7mag I was thinking about and informed him that it was stamped stainless steel barrel (not all gunsmiths can turn stainless) , he said he could do it. A month later I ended up with a 6 1/4# (it still has a wooden but cut down stock) Mod 700 7mag a w/3-9 Leupold scope. The barrel is now only 20” but before it was cut down I did a , 24” vs. 20”, chronograph test using the ammo I had from 139 gr -175gr. . As I suspected it was the heavier (175) bullets that suffered the most in velocity but only about 100 fps. The reason I’m looking for Superformance data is I load it in other caliber guns I have and besides not having to stock so many different powders I was hoping that with the short barrel and bullets that I might get improved performance from this powder. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for the great videos.

So..... what's an example of a magnum cartridge, then? A 120mm tank round??

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

Any cartridge named "Loudenboomer". 😀

Hey Ron I was wondering if you’ve looked at the cz600 American my buddy let me try his and now I’m looking at a pair in 243 and 30-06

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

I think we'll be checking one out soon for 30-06 Week.

The only downside I have regarding the 7 rem mag is the belted case and potential case head separation concerns. Haven’t had one do it but it’s still in the back of your mind. You have to be mindful of what brass you’re using and keeping a close eye on your cases. Brass, bullets, powder, primers are all crazy expensive these days, so staying on top of case fatigue is critical. Toss em if you even wonder. $2 is far cheaper than a failure.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

15 күн бұрын

Re-size to headspace on the shoulder. Then look for the collet die that resizes the body right down to the belt.

I think that a convenient distinction to what cartridges can be called magnum is that they have either a base diameter or rim diameter greater than .473.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

So we would lose the 22 Win Magnum, 17 Win Super Magnum, 224 Wby Mag., 44 Rem Mag. but the 450 Bushmaster would become a magnum along with the 45 Colt, 45-70 Govt., 450 Marlin, 470 Nitro Express and many others. Fair idea, Ed, but perhaps not ideal. The thing is there is no clear definition of magnum, which is why we have rimfire magnums and shotshells that are magnums and high power, high velocity centerfire rifle cartridges like the 28 Nosler and 458 Lott that are not called magnums.

@edwardhoward4708

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thank you for the perspective.

@chrisgunsandguitars1403

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoorsVery good point though in shotshells “magnum” refers to shot payload.

the cost of ammo especially factory if you dont reload and a massive factor but also if you get a hand me down great classic rifle at a discount or free price can make a rifle great as is with the ammo a minor factor unless you use a lot. recoil and weight might be most important cost of some smaller calibres are cheaper by far and better fun less recoil. maybe 7mm 08 or 280 AI or even smaller 6.5s may be the solution unless bigger required than whitetails required for smaller 243 might be all you need.

I never owned one I'll keep my 30/06,30/30,45/70,218 bee and 22lr.

The 270 wsm & 300 wsm are the same cartridge cases other than neck diameter. The 7 wsm has the shoulder pushed forward with a shorter neck but the same over all case length of 2.100”. That’s why in my opinion it didn’t take off. I owned a 7 wsm. Couldn’t find brass. Had the gun builder cut the tenon off and ream it to 7/300 wsm. Neck down 300 wsm brass or neck up 270 wsm. Redding makes dies. The 270 or 300 wsm is a more efficient cartridge case. On the same barrel I would run 70.5 gr & get 3017fps with 162 eld m 7 wsm. I have approximately 1” shorter barrel. I know run 67.5 gr with same powder and get 3015fps. Just my 3 cents.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

The 7mm WSM, 270 WSM and 7mm SAUM all were very similar and came out at about the same time. I suspect that they cannibalized each other's market share. In other words, one did not stand out enough to become dominant and they pretty much faded away. None of them were optimized for long, high BC bullets that soon became popular. The WSM series was pretty much the last of the "taper only (no freebore) cartridges". I have always wondered if that made them a little touchy for finding good, accurate loads. The chambers are still much improved over the 300 Win Mag, though. What was your experience? Thanks

@deefreston6572

Ай бұрын

You need to know I’m not an ego driven man and I don’t pretend to know all cause I don’t. Mine is on a rem 700 long action. Seating depth is not an issue for high bc projectiles. I know run a 180 eld m in a broughton 5c 28” 7/300 wsm. Jewel 1lb trigger in a McMillan game scout. 270 wsm necked up. Neck turned norma brass. 67.5 gr retumbo running 3098fps with es of 6fps. If I do my part it’s a 1 hole 5 shot rifle. In my opinion when they put it in a short action is why it died.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@deefreston6572 Sounds like a nice setup. I agree that the problem was trying to get magnum power out of a true (~2.82") short action. Just a couple years after the Short Mags were introduced, the shift to faster twist and sleeker, longer-ogived bullets had begun. I suspect that this was also partly why they fell out of favor, at least in SAAMI, short action form. The Short Mags as well as the 284 and its derivatives really shine in a longer action, though. You can get the bullet out of the powder compartment and use a "match style" chamber with tight freebore. The 6.8 western is a slightly shortened 270 WSM case in a longer action. The 6.5 PRC a shortened 300 RCM case, necked down and again, put in a longer action. Both have relatively long sections of snug freebore. The accuracy question I had was related to the original WSM chamber, which I mistakenly thought you had. They were the old-style pure forcing cone chambers with no section of snug freebore ahead of the taper into the throat. My understanding is that a section of tight freebore, as probably used in your 7/300 WSM and most other modern cartridges, helps align the bullet with the bore and makes finding an accurate load easier. Seating depth becomes less critical. The 300 Win mag, for example, with its relatively sloppy forcing cone chamber has a reputation of being sensitive to bullet jump whereas many cartridges with significant freebore, do not. Enjoy your rifle!

Isn’t the 7PRS the 6.5 PRC necked up to 7mm? Might be a different name all together but I do know it’s out there. Supposedly with the extra long match barrels will match 7PRC velocities out of the shorter brass.

@chrisgunsandguitars1403

Ай бұрын

All the PRC cartridges go up in case length with caliber.

7x57 Imr 4350 50 grains 3100 fps 139 sst 26 inch star barrel DWM 1916 98 vary accurate nuf said

My AR500 steel targets have stood up to 30-06, 308, 300win and many others. From 75 yards the 7mm mag went clean through the steel. Left a nice hole and ruined my target. Penetration is off the charts.

Shot elk moose and lots of deer with 7mm rem mag and it’s deadly against anything!!

7 prc is a big lie from Hornaday. They aren't even close on their velocities. 7PRC's actual velocities are so far off from their posted velocities that it's not keeping up with 6.8 western or even the classic 7mm mag!

I maybe wrong but on the 7WSM n actually all of those..I believe a certain lawsuit of patent infrgements n its settlement had a big part in it disappearing. I too always liked them n had em all.. but Gotta Do What 1 Has To At Times😢 no longer have em 😢😢😢😢

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

The lawsuit was for Winchester cheating the cartridge developer out of his royalties. It just added a couple dollars per rifle and a few cents to a box of cartridges. The 300 WSM is still chambered by several big rifle makers and all the major manufacturers still make ammo for it, so the lawsuit had little effect on sales. The 7mm WSM, 270 WSM and 7mm SAUM all were very similar and cannibalized each other's market share. In other words, one did not stand out enough to become dominant and they pretty much faded away. None of them were optimized for long, high BC bullets that soon became popular. These days, the 300 WSM is often put in a longer receiver and hand-loaded longer, which boosts its performance.

@michaelwilson9986

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@@jfess1911 True what you said there on the Royalties there. What many forget is that same lawsuit also went after the SARUMs n WSSMs seems there were 2 patents or 1 that covered those as well n some others similar. True as well that Win beat Rem n there SARUMs not to mention that they stuck it in the Model 7 for introduction n added it to 700 later. Both good rounds n honestly maybe a wee bit better overall than the WSMs. Esp since other have come that are very similar to them but faster twist n higher bc bullets for em..( wonder if there not covered by it or it ran out hummm ??) Anyway. While that was all playing out..Winchester brought out the 270 7 n 325 WSM.. along with the WSSMs. I actually like the 325 300 7mm n 270 WSM in order. Sad I no longer have em but had to do what had to do.Aghhhh. The others were still out there with some companies chambering both the WSMs n RSAUMs in there Rifles for awhile. When that lawsuit was settled they dropped them all but the 270 300 n 325 as I recall in there n there next model year. ( this was late 2005 n early 06 the drops occurred in catalogs in 07) Also Winchester ( Actually USRAC) shut down the New Haven Plant. I found this a bit odd at the time n the timing of such. Read on line the Settlement then companies dropping them then USRAC closing. In over about 3 months .. coincidence or more to all than we will ever know. Browning kept em all in 2006 droping the WSSMs in 07 if recall right.Savage kept all the WSMs for a bit. With some others offering a couple of them. Note for awhile the 325 lead sales in the WSMs n reloading stuff. Prompted several new bullets. In 8mm. Hoorah its ones overlooked caliber. The 7 was 1st to disappear n followed by the 325 as dont know if still chambered by anyone now or not. Sad as all these were all good cartridges. I still say the WSSMs need brought back have my Uncles Abolt 25 handy rifle n better handling than some newer ones.. I have read a few articles on the WSM n WSSMs going into longer actions n some mention of faster twists barrels. Carry on Sir n Enjoy your WSMs BTW The guy from MS in this video is on to something there with the 7mmWSM seems to do more damage n kill quicker than the 7 rem mag. I never have or likely have 7rem mag to compare. However Was on a lease with them n other. Maybe was BTs vs ABs n shot placement but recall mine dropped right there while often there's didnt. Hummm Also the FWT 70 in 7mmWSM was the most accurate with factory loads I ever seen Had a hard time matching them with Handloads. Dont think ever did. Win Supreme BTST n ABs .

@michaelwilson9986

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@@jfess1911 I always found it interesting that lawsuit was settled in late 05 early 06. USRAC soon announced New Haven Closer. And after 06 just about all as far as recall disappeared WSSM 1st along with RSAUM 7mmWSM n later after it actually being a hot cartridge the 325. I currently don't know of anyone offering anything other than the 270 n 300 WSMs.. Sad as all of them were goodens. Including the WSSMs. While I never played with the RSAUMs n a few others that springed up at the time ..They were likely the better.. Oh Well.Carry On Sir.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@michaelwilson9986 Nosler is currently making 7mm SAUM, as well as a couple smaller companies, so it is still available. The 7mm WSM, 270 WSM and 7mm SAUM all came out at the same time and cannibalized market share from each other, so no single cartridge really became dominant. In SAAMI form, the SAUMs tend to be a little more accurate because they have a more advanced "match style" chamber (the WSM series have no freebore section). Part of the problem is that all these cartridges were introduced just before laser rangefinders were widespread and their design philosophy was "light bullets fast and flat". Compromises were made to get them to fit into true short actions. The WSM series, in particular, maximized case capacity and for a short action, limiting ogive length and the use of heavy or high-BC bullets. In just a few years, shooters were switching to longer, heavier bullets that didn't work as well in the Short Magnums in a short action. The larger bullet ate up case capacity or had an ogive too long. Once you switched to a standard 30-06-length longer action, you might as well shoot a 7mm Rem Mag. Now that 3" intermediate actions are more available (also needed for the 6.8 Western and 6.5 PRC), there is more space for the older short magnums to use longer bullets.

@jfess1911

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@@michaelwilson9986 Winchester was running its tooling into the ground in the years before it shut down the New Haven plant. I am not sure that the out of court settlement with Jamison made a big difference. It would have been cheaper to just pay the guy his royalties. I have worked in an old manufacturing facility, and there can be a point at which the equipment and the building itself need replacement. It is often less expensive to move somewhere else, or make products elsewhere. For the Model 94, at least, Winchester had chosen the wrong strategy and had dropped the price too far to keep up quality. I bought my 2005 M94 for two hundred dollars at Wal-mart. It was truly terrible, but I wanted a real Winchester lever-gun (because I was an idiot). When the Model 94 was re-introduced a few years later it was at more than twice that price. My -05 had a very rough action and a truly awful trigger. At the time, I thought it would break in after running the action a few hundred times... nope. I never shot the thing, so I don't know if it was accurate. I would never be able to tell, since the trigger was so heavy and gritty that I would need a "lead sled" to hold the dang thing on target.

154gr Hornady interlock out of a 7-08 is what my uncle has bin running for everything including moose for 20 years. That rifle has shot more moose than any other in our hunting group.

@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594

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I believe when the 7mm-08 was introduced, in 1980, that the 139 grain "Hornady" was the miracle round .

@JAKDRZR

Ай бұрын

@@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594 I’m not saying it’s a miracle but it does work really well. It’s out of a Remington 788 with 18.5” barrel. It’s all hilly woods where we hunt and no shots over 300 yards.

So Ron I had already posted. I rebuilt my Thompson center venture. New scope brings bases and a new stock from Boyds and then I went to a new bullet which is barnesex bullet TTSX 140 grain shooting them out of my factory federal brass that I've had for 20 years now which were loaded ammunition at the time I bought the brass. Anyways, my question is, I went with the powder that Barnes recommended on their load data on the internet which was CFE 223, seated the bullet to where they had it recommended, and I am one grain below max and I'm shooting 2825 feet per second. I'm getting half inch groups. So is that cuz I did not look at all my manuals yet to see what the average feet per second was? I thought it was around 2600 2650 ft per second. Because the other bullet side I've always shot for the last 20 years have been the nozzler partitions 140 grain doing right around 25, 25, 50 because that's where I got the best accuracy out of my Ruger compact that I have also and I left it there because I was looking for more accuracy, but now I'm looking for great accuracy and higher velocity!

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

Which cartridge?

@leskrug9266

Ай бұрын

@@jfess1911 wow! I can't believe I didn't even say that in that big long ass sentence. 708, sorry about that

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@leskrug9266 Barnes lists the max CFE load at 2886 fps and you are below that. 2825 fps is also less than the max velocities listed for several powders on the Barnes and the Hodgson Reloading sites as well (on various 140 gr bullets). This data is for 24" barrels, so as long as your barrel is near that length and there are no pressure signs, you should be OK. If you were running a 16" barrel, 2825 would be much faster than expected. Your load is close to matching a Federal 140 TSX load, which is another useful "reality check". Looking at the velocities of max loads in a couple manuals will give you an idea of if you are in the right ballpark. I get a little worried if a load is significantly faster than book loads, though. That is sometimes a sign of an undersized chamber and higher than expected pressures.

@leskrug9266

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@@jfess1911 20" barrel

@jfess1911

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@@leskrug9266 2825 fps is on the fast side, but I would not be worried if it were my rifle. Just keep a lookout for typical pressure signs. If the primer pockets get loose after a couple firings, you may want to back down a little. but I suspect that everything is fine. The Venture seems plenty strong since it was also made in 7mm Rem Mag, a cartridge that puts more stress on the bolt.

I just discovered my Interarms MarkX 7 mm Rem Magnum is twisted 1:10.25". Seems strange to me anyone seen this??? I tried the Excellent Fed Terminal ascent 155g and they produce oblong holes and quite inaccurate.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Berger's Stability calculator indicates this bullet would barely fall into the "marginal stability" category at 3,000 fps, so your 10.25 twist is likely the culprit. Manufactures have chambered barrels 7mm Rem Mag with everything from 8" to 10" twists, but this is the first 10.25 I've heard of.

A bunch of short mags came out at about the same time (2001 -2002): 270 WSM 7mm WSM, 300 WSM, followed rapidly by the 7mm SAUM and 300 SAUM. I think that the market was just too flooded for any one of them to really stand out. The 300 WSM did manage to survive, but it really benefits from being put in a longer action. They are all good cartridges, but at the tail end of the "light bullet pushed fast" cartridge trend. The WSM's have a slightly larger cases than the SAUMs and tend to be a little faster, but the SAUMS have more advanced "match chambers" that tend to be slightly less picky for accurate loads. When WSM cartridges are used for competition, they have improved chambers and their bullets are loaded too far out to fit into normal 308-length short actions. It is common for match versions of the 7mm and 300 WSM to be loaded to well over 3" COAL to keep the bullets in the necks and not displace powder in the case bodies.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Nicely summed up, Mr. Fess.

@davidlawrence616

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Heard someone, not going to say who, wildcated the WSM, necked it to 7mm, patented the design, and when Winchester finally developed the 7 WSM, the wildcatter wanted royalties. So Winchester developed the 6.8 Westerner.

@jfess1911

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@@davidlawrence616 Read Jamison vs Olin-Corporation Winchester Division. The case brief is pretty short and is online. The details are there and Winchester did not dispute them. Basically, Jamison thought he had entered a partnership with Winchester and spent a lot of his own time and money developing and testing the JRW (Jamison Ruger Winchester) cartridges. He even applied to a patent for its specific geometry and dimensions. He had legal documents drawn up and sent to Winchester. Winchester strung him along, refused to sign the royalty agreement and claimed they would not release the cartridge without Jamison's permission. They lied. Winchester could have changed the design slightly, but didn't bother to do so.

@jfess1911

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@@davidlawrence616 The real story is easy to find. Look up "Jamison v. Olin Corporation-Winchester Division". It is not a long read, but is pretty interesting. Winchester did not dispute the findings, they just thought they could avoid paying the guy for his work. Jamison was a writer who thought he had entered a partnership with Winchester. Jamison spent a lot of time and money developing the JRW Magnum series (Jamison, Ruger, Winchester) and even applied for.a patent on the specific geometry and dimensions. Winchester strung him along. Winchester could have slightly changed the cartridges a little, but instead just used Jamison's design. Jamison had just asked for.a royalty of a couple of dollars per rifle and a few cents per box of ammo, which is eventually what ended up happening. That is why 300 WSM rifles and ammo are still available.

@jfess1911

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@@davidlawrence616 Someone keeps removing my comments, but I will try once more. Writer John R Jamison (Rick) did a lot of development of the JRW cartridges (Jamison, Ruger, Winchester) and spent a lot of his own time and money in what he thought was a partnership with Winchester. Jamison had made the effort to apply for a patent ahead of time, which verified the timeline. Winchester decided to not pay royalties and renamed the cartridges the WSM series (which included the 300 WSM), so Jamison sued and won out of court. He had asked for a royalty of a few dollars per rife and a few cents per box of ammo. The details are online as Jamison v Olin Corporation, if you want to read what actually happened.

I never could figure out why the 7mm saum caught on after a while but the wsm did not. I thought the wsm was a much better round. But I guess not lol.

@jfess1911

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The 7mm SAUM has a better (match-style) chamber, a longer neck, and a shorter case. This made it, on average, more accurate. It also allowed sleeker bullets with longer ogives to be loaded in a short action. The 7mm WSM went all out for case capacity and its shoulder is farther foreward than the 300 or 270 WSM. It has an unusually short neck and a lot of the bullet is in the main powder compartment, both of which tend to reduce accuracy. The WSM series was optimized for shooting relatively light bullets fast - to get a flat trajectory. This was more important before laser rangefinders came out a few years later. FWIW, 7mm WSM brass is hard to find, so a popular wildcat is the 7mm-300 WSM, which necks down the 300 WSM case. It usually has an improved chamber with a section of tight freebore, something the original 7mm WSM lacked. It is often put in a medium or 30-06 length receiver to allow the bullets to be loaded longer out.

@jaydunbar7538

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The wsm had some lawsuit issues that caused Winchester to stop advertising and pushing it.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@jaydunbar7538 No, it just made them pay royalties to the cartridge's developer. Jamison had spent a lot of his own money in what he thought was a partnership with Winchester. The WSMs were originally called the JRW Magnums, for Jamison, Ruger and Winchester. The details are online if you look up "Jamison v. Olin Corporation-Winchester Division". It is not very long and an interesting read. Winchester did not dispute the facts, they just thought they could get away with it.

I define “magnum” by how a cartridge preforms with heavy for caliber bullets… a 308 can push a 130 TSX 3200-3300 just the same as a 129 from a 6.8…… but replace that with a 165-170 and things change. If you dig enough, anyone can find a “sweet spot” in ballistics to make things comparable- efficiency vs raw power, but you can’t replace displacement when it comes to heavy bullets.

7mm rem mag is a magnum, 270 is not I agree 100% Now even though the 25-06 is a 06 case family it came after the 257 Roberts and 250savage? And for a .25 its got a mag loading of powder? Could it be considered a magnum as it sure shoots like one! If I had to make a case for a standard cartridge case to be given the magnum headstamp from the begening the 25-06 would be my pick.

@charlessmith4242

Ай бұрын

* Don't forget the .257 Weatherby Mag.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

You have a point that a "magnum" case can be smaller as the bullet diameter goes down. The 6.5 PRC is an interesting example because it has about the same capacity as a 280 AI, not much more than a 25-06. It is arguable whether it is a magnum or not, like with the 25-06.

I will stick to my 270, but what about the 6.8 western

@jaydunbar7538

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I’d say both are great choices, I won’t be getting rid of my 270 but I do want to add a 6.8 to the collection.

@mqeqeshe1

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If you need more than a 270 I would just step up to a 300 magnum of some sort.

@galenhisler396

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@mqeqeshe1 I agree I have 300wsm. Myself. What I meant was the 6.8 does more than the 7 prc, but I prefer my 1950 winchester m70 in 270 .

I would sure like to know why Mitchell is not a fan of Remington Corelokts.????????

@jaydunbar7538

Ай бұрын

It’s just an old school cup and core bullet, there are so many better selections today of controlled expansion. Will it do the job? I never had a deer get up and say the corlokt wasn’t enough. But I have moved to more controlled expansion projectiles because they just work at a wider range of circumstances and ranges the way that I want them to.

7mm Rem Mag has a Belt on the cartridge. What more do you need to know? That's called "magnum evidence".

1,2,3, in what should be. .280, 7mm-08, 7mm Rem. Mag. The first two are so practical that 7mm Rem. Mag. should be a very weak 3rd place. The big boy is pretty specialized as a heavy 7. 160 thru 175 grain in the 7mm is where the 7mm gets serious on the bigger and heavier game. If you need more then jump to .30 and .338.

Don't know how likely it is........ BUT A smaller KZreadr was talking to the people at the Weatherby booth at SHOT show this year and he implied that they are looking into making a super 7MM.....based off the 30-378 Weatherby........now that would be a screamer

Help please guys. I cannot afford to buy all types of ammo to test for my rem 700 . May I ask for suggestions of factory ammo for whitetail , hogs. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

@elgato9534

Ай бұрын

Buy some generic green box Remington 150 grain and get it on the paper. If you can manage recoil and get inch or so groups shoot twenty rounds or so and come back with the same ammo and repeat then try some $3 dollar a round stuff. There should not be much difference. Shot placement and have fun.

@chrisgunsandguitars1403

Ай бұрын

Just double check what caliber is stamped into the barrel and buy that exact ammo. So many 7mm’s out there that it’s easy to make a mistake. Assuming 7mmRemMag is what you have, buy the cheapest ammo with a bullet in the 140grn to 168grn and you will be fine for deer and hogs if your rifle shoots 2” or less at 100yds. Experiment with other ammo brands and bullet weights as you can afford.

Thinking a 70 08 or 7 PRC but hate to give up my 270 it does everything I need it to do but not wanting to take to Alaska as it's a blued barrel so will be getting stainless in something thanks for the information

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Those 7s will work for you in AK, but don't freak out about the blued barrel 270. Alaska hunters have worked successfully with blued steel firearms for more than a century. I've carried them up there for 7 to 10-day long moose, sheep, caribou, bear, etc. hunts and all are still in great shape -- even those with walnut stocks! Enjoy and good luck.

@NatureMan50

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@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thanks

The 7mm Remington Magnum is a marketing success story that will never be duplicated again. Right time, right cartridge, right rifle. Most of your readers weren't breathing in 1962. Some history; I'm sure Remington's management was well aware Winchester, their biggest headache was sinking itself by the bow. They couldn't continue making products with their aging equipment & tech and make a profit and that included the vaulted Model 70 rifle. The 7mm Rem. Mag and the Model 700 rifle came as a package concept and the hunting public took ample helpings. In 1964 Winchester finally sank itself, the M700 assumed the top spot for rifles and for the next several decades the 7mm Magnum became the Creedmoor of it's day. The list of big game taken with it since worldwide is unbelievably impressive. Seriously, does anybody care what they call the cartridge in 2024? Careful Ron, you are beginning to sound a lot like a dinosaur scribe competitor named Dave who has just about run out of things to say.

Always a class act Mr. Spomer thank you for your content. I do have a 7prc and was concerned about stories of low velocities of box ammo. I reached out to Hornady and they replied in their youtube chat here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6esxcizecS2ftI.htmlsi=pupZtn-iC7uKVUfC

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

Do you remember roughly when in the podcast they answered the question?. Thanks

@RustyM80

Ай бұрын

@@jfess1911 It was posted in the chat portion below, not in the video.

@jfess1911

Ай бұрын

@@RustyM80 Thanks. Looking at Hodgdon's reloading data, they have one load at 3083fps and several others close to 3K fps. All are well under max pressure, FWIW

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30:35 in my not very important opinion, in pistol cartridges the term ‘magnum’ means something, though not always a lot. In rifle cartridges it doesn’t mean anything more than, ‘it’s loud and goes a little faster… sometimes… I guess’. The belted magnums pretty much all had as their parent cartridge the .375H&H which had no predecessor cartridge so I don’t really understand how it itself was a magnum (in comparison to what?) That’s a long winded way of saying that, outside of the wine world, magnum has always been a marketing term and especially so in rifles. That having been said, the .270 (peace be upon it) is definitely not a magnum, but the 7mm Rem mag is. It’s right there on the head stamp. You could just read the head-stamp. In fact, the more I think of it (and people always get irritated the more I think of pretty much anything) the .375 H&H predated any pistol cartridge magnum and given the ‘bottle neck’ form of modern rifle cartridges, I’d bet the term came directly from the wine bottle naming convention. So… shouldn’t the .300 RUM be called the .300 Jeroboam?

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

There you go. "Marketing term" sums it up. And yes, the term was borrowed from the wine bottle.A rose is a rose is a rose...

@jameswhitaker1324

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors yes, but American roses are usually blended wines from red and white grapes, whereas the European wines are usually made specifically as roses, from red skinned grapes with limited skin contact time.

@chrisgunsandguitars1403

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoorsI’d forgotten that about the magnum size bottle of wine. You just know some cartridge developers were sitting around getting hammered and saw the empty bottle and said “that’s it! Our new cartridge will be called A MAGNUM!”!!! haha

If you call it the 7mm Magnum, then it is a magnum. Let's look at the 22 magnum next.

Copper bullets have wonderful performance but to expensive you haft to shoot only coppers bullets through your barrel or accuracy is affected I just don't have the funds to make a rifle a copper bullet only gun

I want to know what hat is you wear I want one

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast

Ай бұрын

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🤠 Ron, Since You Are Now the "7mm Cartridge Expert", I Have a 2 Part Question: 1.) What Velocity Gains Could I Expect From a 7 Sherman Over the 280 AI, Which Holds About 2.5 grains More Powder (Shooting a 168 grain and 175 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet)! 2.) If I Improved The 280 AI (74 grains of water capacity) to the 7mm Sherman (76.5 grains of Water Capacity) and Used The Same "Technique" to Improve The 7x64, I Could Expect 79 grains of Water Capacity! Thus, How Much More Velocity Could I Expect (Using Those Same Bullets) Than the 280 AI (Gaining 5 More Grains of Powder Capacity)? Would An Additional 75 ft/s to 100 ft/s Seem Reasonable to You? Doing So Would Allow Me 7mm Remington Magnum or 7mm prc Velocities With More Rounds in the Magazine (5 Rounds)! 🥳 Your Thoughts? 🕵‍♂

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Ron, I think you should stick with a 270 Win. I know a guy in Montana who swears (daily) that it is the be all end all of rifle cartridges and you are wasting your time if you dally with any others!

@ronlowney4700

Ай бұрын

🤭 Sounds Like Good Advice, Though It Isn't The Only Cartridge That Interests Me! Hummm... Can I Design An Even Better One? I Became An Engineer For a Reason - So, It's Time To Buy Some New Cartridge Design Software and Challenge Myself...🤪@@RonSpomerOutdoors

@ronlowney4700

Ай бұрын

🤭 I Want To Create a Real "Spomer Boomer"! 💥😂@@RonSpomerOutdoors

@ronlowney4700

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 🤭 I Just Saw You On The Back Country Podcast. So, How Could The 280 AI Cartridge Be The "Best Cartridge Ever", If It Can Still Be "Improved" (7 Sherman)? 🤪 It Can't Be Then! 😳

@ronlowney4700

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 🤠 Ron, For As Much "Bantering" That I Like To Do About Rifle Cartridges, I Do Think The 280 AI is an "All Time Great Cartridge" For Mountain Hunting and I Hope That You Will Keep Promoting It? 🗣 It Will Be My Next Rifle "Purchase", As It is "Just My Style" (From the 30-06 Family of Cartridges)! Hopefully, You Can Talk With Sako and Convince Them To Chamber It (They Used to Chamber the 280 Remington, Back in the Day)? You Sold Me, So, Can You Please Convince Them? 😜

We don't need any of these new chamberings can't even find the ammo so stop trying to push them on us .

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

Thomas, we haven't "needed" any new chamberings since the 7x57 Mauser of 1892, but millions of us have enjoyed the dozens that erupted after. So relax. We're not pushing anything on you but information. We defend and celebrate everyone's right to choose his own favorites. Peace and love and best wishes for all your hunts.

7 Rem Mag is the best all around cartridge. Period. It can humanely take any game in the world. 7 PRC is just a marketing ploy. It's not necessary for anything. Even shooting steel. I said what I said.

@northernoutdooradventures3883

Ай бұрын

Especially since Hornaday lied about its actual velocity! It's actually 200fps slower than their claims!

@jaydunbar7538

Ай бұрын

The same was said about the 7 rem mag when it came out just like every other new cartridge ever released. Congratulations on becoming a fudd.

@hrdrockfarm8948

Ай бұрын

@@jaydunbar7538 ha ha....just insult me. That will make you feel better. I'm a plank holder of the fudds. I was fudd when fudd wasn't cool. Me and Don Williams want to know what you're gonna do with good ol' fudds like me....

@blueduck9409

Ай бұрын

The 7mm rem mag has got to be one of the flattest shooting cartridges on the planet, if not the flattest shooting cartridge. Very little drop, even at extended ranges.

@hrdrockfarm8948

Ай бұрын

@@blueduck9409 didn't you die in Lonesome Dove?

7mm Wby Mag 200 fps more

One HOUR to explain this?

Never cared for the 7MM. Never jumped on that bandwagon. Just like the 6.5 bandwagon. Never cared for it, or about. By all means, people should own and shoot what they like. Some of us just don't follow fads and jump on bandwagons.

@jaydunbar7538

Ай бұрын

7mm has been popular for decades so i wouldn’t call it a fad, particularly if you include our European friends who have been using 6.5 and 7mm since smokeless powder came out.

@anthonykaiser974

Ай бұрын

The first war the US ran up against 7mm was Spanish Mausers firing 7x57 Mauser loads with less power than even "weak" SAAMI full power loads. We were still using 30-40 Kraft and even 45-70 Gov guns. Didn't go well for our boys at the tip of the spear, but wars aren't won by small arms. Remember Jack O'Connor's wife carried a Model 70 in 7x57.

@blueduck9409

Ай бұрын

I agree with you. Can you believe people call you a FUD for thinking that way?

A Dildoni isnt a real Rodney either

Send me your 7mm book

Ron you are as bad as Dave petzal !

@RonSpomerOutdoors

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure if I should feel insulted or Dave should. Or both of us.

@terrymcclendon8715

Ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors not a bad thing you just call them like you see it , God bless and good hunting

Ron as soon as you starting spouting 7 PRC Marketing BS. You get a thumbs down from me. I own factory 7 rem mag with a 8 twist. My velocities and performance just blows the 7 PRC away. Sorry but you sold your integrity.

@edwardabrams4972

Ай бұрын

I don’t know what your crying do much about it just means there is going to be more 7 rem mag ammo on the shelves for Us🤔😳

@oblivionpro69

Ай бұрын

“Blows the PRC away”. Buddy, you are sorely mistaken, the 7rm cannot equal the power of a properly had loaded PRC because it’s a lower pressure round with the same capacity. Look on backfire’s site where he and others have gotten a hand loaded velocities with 175 grain bullets of 2900 and up that equal 3500 for lbs of ME. You cannot do that with a 7 rem mag without blowing the case, so please stop spreading misinformation

@SpudOutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@oblivionpro69 you just said properly loaded 7 PRC but not a properly loaded 7 mag. A fully formed 7 mag has 88 grains of water which exceeds 7 PRC. It has a .115 free bore. In a 26” barrel you can push the 195 to 3000fps and in a 22” you can push a 175 beyond 3000 fps. Stop falling for the marketing. The reason the 7 mag has lower pressures is not because it can’t handle higher pressures it was because there was not a tight tolerance on the length of the chamber and the cartridge which lead to 3,000 pressure spikes when they tested factory ammo. So they limited the pressure so manufacturers on it. Every good handloader loads their ammo to a consistent headspace so they will not experience wild pressures like factory ammo would since we let the case fully form. You gain basically 4 - 6 grains of water weight capacity by doing so. It shortens the neck when you do this. But if you start with a 300 win mag or 300 weatherby case you can fully form the chamber and keep a longer neck. I hydro form all my brass so my brass starts out full capacity. 7 mags have a very tight freebore tolerance and are very accurate. Remington designed a phenomenal cartridge that has the capability to go to the extreme. 3100 with a 180 in a 24” barrel is completely possible and under 65,000 psi. The best I have seen is a custom throated mag shooting a 195 in a 24” barrel at 3100 fps.

@SpudOutdoors

Ай бұрын

@@edwardabrams4972 yeah I don’t buy ammo. And if the people keep falling for a weaker 7 PRC then supplies on 7 mag can go up in price. So yea it pisses people off. Considering the 7 mag has done the job without fail for decades. People have taken animals out to 1370yards with it. If you told me to pick a better cartridge than the 7 rem mag it would actually be it’s equal with a longer neck and that is the 7 LRM. 7 PRC limited itself by doing so short of a body to fit into 3.4” guns but that is stupid. Most standard actions are 3.6” and that should have been their goal. They went with an optimal capacity to run RL26 but n570 would have been a better choice. But thinking they don’t have the option to use that powder since capstone owns those powders. So they picked a freaking unicorn of a powder to design their case and it’s not even a temp stable powder even though it is decent with temp. That said they should have picked more common powders people use that is temp stable like Retumbo and built the case around it and h1000. They did a great job with the 6.5 PRC but this 7 PRC in most cases barely outperforms a 280 AI.

@eddielombera5862

Ай бұрын

@@oblivionpro69​​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠ you’re talking out of your ass lol 2900 with a 175 in a 7rem mag is cake walk. I’ve gotten 3100+ with 175 ablrs and 180 Eld Ms with no pressure and .3 moa accuracy. You have no experience hand loading 7rem mag and it shows.

Velocity on prc is a lie

7mm weatherby original hot 7mm no one really beats it new powders not shown boost it