Sunday Funday up in here with the Barbell Medicine crew. Enjoy!

@jacobmurphy7524

6 жыл бұрын

Barbell Medicine Sounds like you are throwing around concepts for programming that are also defined by Dr. Mike Israetel but for powerlifting rather than his bodybuilding. As you have featured him before, it may be appropriate to have him back again to discuss his MAV, MEV, and MRV variables to training and how that can apply itself to powerlifting. Regardless, excited to hear more content from you all!

@rezarterindi

6 жыл бұрын

Where have they featured him? Did they do a podcast with him? Have I missed it?

@brois841

6 жыл бұрын

Although I'm sure most people didn't stick around past the credits, I appreciated seeing the team. I didn't know Tom Campitelli nor Vanessa Burman were part of it.

it's funn when you can't hear dr. baraki's response so it seems like jordan is leading a dora the explorer episode

@RohannvanRensburg

3 жыл бұрын

😂

Alan Thrall is the definition of concise. He's just a great teacher (as are all of you).

Most informative and helpful programming podcasts I've ever listened to

I've been waiting for this. for. so. long. I'll watch this on 0.5 so I can enjoy it longer.

@klalakomacoi

6 жыл бұрын

I'm watching it on 0.5 just because I'm stupid and need the extra time to understand the info.

@fabiotieri3155

3 жыл бұрын

Just watch it two times instead.

"Train less often, eat more, PR infinitely" *Larry Wheels laughing in the background*

@bestboy007

3 жыл бұрын

what is that

Nice ep and good to hear more programming content, we're all looking forward to pt 3 and beyond!

“You're the most resistant to the effects of the sun.” - Dr. Baraki, 2018

I totally get the individual blaming himself for not having the "standard" results on the SS LP and TM. I ended up fat, and injured trying to get the 300 lbs squat on the LP... Thanks for the very useful information Jordan and Austin. Really interesting stuff.

These video's are really informative! Keep them coming. Will definitely be interesting to hear the more practical side of things, should hopefully help with my own programming

You guys are doing a brilliant job of carrying on where starting strength left off, very useful discussions

Excellent content, as always. And the "part 2" thing in the intro cracked me up.

An intelligent, logical, approach to training, just the kind of nuance I'm looking for!

Good intro. Loved the podcast, thank you very much

Excellent info, as always. Thanks guys.

Learn more from these podcasts than I have in 3 years at university..

awesome thank you guys. I finally figured out how to build strength while being on high levels of laxatives thanks to your videos. much love from the UK :-)

This is really, really good. Thank you!

Great content. Thanks guys!

Finally, barbell doctor nerds speaking the truth! So glad you guys are creating this content. Keep it up.

Using the Critical Thinking that we learn in the medical field and focusing it towards training. LOVE IT!

Glad to see Timmy is back.

excellent content, guys!

This is so gold!

Great to hear your thoughts on this part of programming. Even with a lack of knowledge and experience on my part this all sounds reasonable and gives me more drive to learn and see the research put into this stuff. Also, almost perfect cuts of the cast. There's parts where someone is talking on the other side of the conversation where the video is not focused on the person speaking. Feels like I get caught in one of those shows where they ask a question to the viewers and there's that awkward moment they wait for the kids to respond. XD It looks like you have 2 video+audio files and you're keeping the audio tied to the video. I would separate the audios and just have them playing at the same time since they are not recording the other end of the conversation and just chop up the video files. If that makes sense.

So I think I’m one of these training resistant folks. My whole life I’ve responded great to work capacity training but I’ve never put on much muscle. I would love to see more on this subject. Any case studies? Thanks for the podcasts. These are great!

Great videos boys

You guys should make a Pathoma version of Starting Strength with just the high yield nuanced approaches included.

This kind of information is really helpful and food for thought.I appreciate the scientific method approach being applied to training. I am however a little confused by that blue covering on Jordan's skin.

Wished I'd heard this a couple of years ago. Finished my LP squat at 127.5kgx5 and have been spinning my wheels and feeling like a failure ever since...

@Sealed_Chamber

5 жыл бұрын

Oh no you're normal, what a failure.

@BlackHalo87

5 жыл бұрын

I think i finished at 90 kg squat, at a 100kg bodyweight 6 ft 3 height, 30 years old. I'd say i feel disappointed. The saddest thing is that that was almost a year ago and i m still doing LP novice programme thinking i was doing something wrong and wasn't progressing. I managed to get a knee injury i can't get rid of as well. oh well

@senaares6107

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlackHalo87 what did your other lifts end at? Mine were SQ 93, BP 63, DL 93, PC 45, OHP 43. I did SS as written at age 29

@jms0313

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackHalo87 how you doing now

@BlackHalo87

2 жыл бұрын

@@senaares6107 hey sorry it took so long to answer, im useless at checking notifications on here. almost the same actually. lower squat , higher bp and dl. not sure what pc and ohp mean but shoulder press was around 42

I did the TM for about 4 months and my numbers went from 350x5 (followed by 2x5 @335) to 415 for 3 singles on my squat, 390x5 to 410x5 DL, 200x5 to 224x5 and 132x5 to 149x3 on OHP. The "Running it out" thing really is just a demonstration of strength and i'm just now realizing it

Part three, please!

The fastest ‘part two’ in the West

I absolutely loved this episode and it was awesome to hear you discuss your practical approaches to trainees. Could you please play both audio feeds simultaneously in the future to allow us to hear the conversation? I'd like to hear what Austin says in response to you and vice versa.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, James. We have both audio tracks going here!

@FacelessProjects

6 жыл бұрын

Apologies, re-reading my comment I realise how little sense it makes. I basically meant to say that when the camera is focussed on Austin (for example) and you say something as he is talking, I will not know what it is that you said.

What Greg Nuckols says about those who have low sensitivity is that he got the best responses by switching to very high frequency / volume at lower intensities. Five times / week at 65% (5x5) to 85% (4x1-2) and autoregulation thru an amrap test every 3 weeks at 85%. Seems not far away from this thought experiment and my own experience...

Sounds like trainees should be classified according to their “sensitivity” to training or a particular stress as opposed to their “experience” or times exposed to the stress. Essentially, novice, intermediate, and advanced descriptors do nothing to help a trainee know what training is appropriate at their current level. Great podcast!

I actually thought about the part about the 48 hour recovery time in LP, coming up with something like: Well Rip programmed it to 3 sessions a week partly because it fits well with most people's social schedule, but one could do a 6 day/3 session version of it, and realize more strength improvement, at least in the beginning. if the workout becomes too stressful, then we can stretch out the 3 session cycle to 7, 8, 9 days and milk out more of LP. Glad to hear some other explanation and reason why that wouldn't work.

The partial pressure would go down because as we elevate past sea level the atmospheric pressure exerted on an object reduces.

You both are doing great job to the world. People do not understand, moreover doctors around the world do not focus on barbell as a medicine. Really appreciate the effort. Question I have is, does non-veg diet may reverse barbell medicine? I understood its all about balance but what is it that you guys really found out from training real people data. Heard somuch about food industry here in our country adding crap to meat ruining our health. Cancer is just unknown and thats where I am really going to. Answer to a person who dont smoke, drink, live in less pollutant area (air and radiation) and do barbell training. Thanks again for all these free information.

Please advise if there is a possibility to put in your general strength training template that you have on your site instead of the bench press the ohp.

Will you guys ever come to Ontario Canada? Toronto or any other major city?

So since you mentioned not wanting to let your weight to go too high or your body composition to get too out of control, here's the thing I've had the most trouble figuring out during the SSLP. So I am a 31 y/o male, 6' tall, 211 lbs, 25% bf (at least as of a couple weeks ago when I had it tested). I used to weigh a whole lot more, up around the 290 mark, before I decided to make a concerted effort to lose weight, getting down to where I'm at just through normal diet changes long before starting the SSLP. The reason I mention that is that, while I'm enjoying the results I'm seeing in strength from the SSLP, I'm worried about putting on too much weight again. I'm only a month in, so I'm still getting adjusted to everything. I'm still putting the 10lbs on squat and deadlift and 5lbs on everything else at the moment, although I can definitely feel that those leaps every single workout will be slowing down soon, based on the difficulty of my recent deadlifts and squats. My question is how much of a calorie surplus should I be eating? I highly doubt that, at the level I'm at, that the 6000 calorie/day with a gallon of milk each day would be the best idea for me right now. I'm hovering more around 3200 on training days, about 2700 on rest days. I realize this is probably still too light, but at my weight and size, I'm not sure how far to go. I'm definitely nervous about getting to an unhealthy weight again. Even at my current weight and height I know I could still afford to shed pounds. Something I'll probably do after wearing out the SSLP and moving on to something else with more of a focus on my bf%. I know this is a couple months later, but if you still check these old comments, I'd love to hear an opinion on this!

@SirKaji

5 жыл бұрын

If you want to lose bodyfat, a caloric deficit is always the answer, regardless of your training.

Keep these coming! Tendinopathy podcast next please.

"that being said"....lol

O.k. what's the volume threshold for diabetes? I have diabetes and knowing that would be very helpful.

People have been asking for GPP footage and there we go: rustling jimmies AMRAP for 53 min

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

haha!

I'm 21 and each session of the Bridge takes around 2 hours to complete. Can't imagine how long I will have to train by the time I'm 30

Can you address pivot weeks and deloading?

So, would you then NOT insert the light day in Starting Strength?

When is your novice program coming out?

What do you guys think about the differences that Nuckols laid out in his "Complete Guide to Strength Trainning" on regards to what's the most important factor that makes someone strong in certain movements? Specially when he talks about that the most important factor for strength potential in a person lays in their segments length (ie a short femur squatter vs a long femur squater) and muscle insertions since a muscle that attaches further from a joint is capable of producing more torque at that joint. This to me seems to be the primary cause of differences in athletes that don't seem to have any super outlying genetic trait (like ultra wide shoulders), since we see that a lot of world record holders don't necessarily have them. Nuckols himself admits that he has wide hips (hence his weird squat stance), and his shoulders don't seem wider than your average folk, same with someone like Candito, both lifters with elite numbers, but without any super evident genetic trait. I would love to hear your opinion on this. Keep these vids coming, they are truly very informative and helpful. I'll leave a link in the specific segment that he talks about this in a couple of paragraphs: www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training-guide/#Segment_Lengths Grats from Argentina

@tzqrr

6 жыл бұрын

Emilianus These anthropometric factors certainly have a huge impact on performance - I haven’t read that specific argument, but we find it a bit less interesting because they’re non-modifiable factors. In other words, you can’t do anything about your segment lengths or attachments, so we’d rather focus on the important MODIFIABLE determinants of performance, because we can then make training decisions towards optimizing those factors.

@ExumTV

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the answer. And yeah I agree with that, and that's exactly what Nuckols says too. His stance on long term strength progress lays on adding as much muscle as possible (within your weight class if you compete), since that's the only way to drive progress after the neural addaptations have finished, and that's really the only thing we can change besides neural efficiency (but that comes anyway I guess). Would you agree with this point of view?

Seminar in New Orleans would be great?

At around 29:45 - relative intensity.

Repeated bout effect, “you get better at tolerating the stress you’ve seen before” yeah but how? By becoming stronger and adding muscle?

I realise I'm late with this one and I'll ask it on the forums too, but I wonder if the following would work... If a lifter plateaus on NLP (3x5) after 3 months, would reducing intensity (say, 10-15% on all lifts), and switching to 5x5 (perhaps 2-3x5 on deadlifts) to add stress via volume allow for continued gainz?

@TheLouisianan

4 жыл бұрын

This problem is solved by programming change. According to Rip, a novice can recover in 48-72 hours fully while an intermediate recovers in roughly 1 week. HLM is an "intermediate" program because it keeps the concept of progressing volume and intensity gradually on a weekly basis rater than a 2-3 day basis. So HLM is like an advanced version of an LP. I'd recommend looking into HLM (Andy Baker, BBM) have some good programs for it. Edit: If you didn't know, HLM = Heavy-Light-Medium

I hope you will do a segment specific to senior lifters, those that started in their 50s or 60s after a few decades of no training. Timeline? Expected results (BW multiple/absolutes)? Programming after LP? Should seniors gain weight? A 280# 65yr old may not be the best target goal for overall health.

@martinsnedgewick3488

6 жыл бұрын

Steven Muncy obviously I don’t speak for BM; but I think the message of this podcast is that there are no _prima facie_ prescriptions that should be made for a lifter simply because they fit this or that age group, gender, etc. Some people are super responsive to training, others the opposite. So, an appropriate analysis of what training a person needs will look primarily at how much stress needs to be imparted to generate a strength adaptation, and less at the specific, unchanging factors in a lifter that determine this.

@tzqrr

6 жыл бұрын

Martin Snedgewick holy shit! People are getting it !!!

@stevenmuncy491

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with your statement. But as you segment the population, certain constraints will narrow the outcomes. Should PRs remain the only goal for senior lifters? Fifty or sixty years of joint wear and tear may become a limiting (risk) factor. Is gaining 40# of BW to add 100# to your squat an acceptable balance? I am not disputing anything in the video, I'm just asking the questions. I am finding that I'm not the boy I once was.

When I started the SSLP I was 18. I was completely untrained at 130lbs at 5'8". When I quit I was stalled at 135lbs on the squat and equally unimpressive numbers on the bench, press and deadlift. I did however gain 20lbs of pretty much pure muscle while eating less than 2k calories a day on average. Would be interesting to see my progress if I had understood the importance of nutrition and been in a nice surplus at 3500kcal or more for the duration of the LP. Oh well.

@user-hc5pi5zh5j

6 жыл бұрын

I also had a decent vertical as I was able to grab the rim on a 10' net with a running start. Gotta assume my results were so shabby because of the way I ate I guess. I know my genetics aren't terrible, but looking at where I stalled it would seem they are extremely subpar, idk.

Guys, I feel like you need to circle this all back to some practical training recommendations for an average Joe like me. I mean, this is all interesting and nuanced, and I like understanding the WHY but I’m having trouble seeing the WHAT behind the theory. Edit: sorry, commented before listening till the end. Looking forward to pt. 3!

@bestboy007

3 жыл бұрын

so what is the what in this boring video? what even is the why? why = shitty genetics and no eugenics? with eugenics we would all be great easygainers.

Was arguing not long ago with SSCs in FB about how could you make progress if you start doing less work per week when you decide you're an intermediate. I just got to hear how I'm 'confused'. They're the ones who are confused.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Mikko Tourunen indeed

Sounds like part 3 will have the meat and potatoes of training variables. Just curious how would the average person know when to start worrying about body fat? Is the percentage enough? What is too much?

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

If someone has a medical conditioned exacerbated or caused by obesity, if their waist is too large, or if they're carrying lots of abdominal fat then I would consider making changes based on their body fat.

@vteam02

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying, seems simpler than I expected

@tzqrr

6 жыл бұрын

vteam02 we also did podcasts on this topic, I think ep. 16/17 maybe?

It's here!

I love the content !! But how do you make shure that there is an quantifyable increase in stress ? I mean doing this retroperspective (single rpe 8) makes it kind of hard to programm. It is hard to manipulate a multi variable system to get a soecific outcome but there has to be a way to do so ..

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Training can only be evaluated retrospectively with respect to adaptations.

@En1Gm4A

6 жыл бұрын

Barbell Medicine ah ok. But how do you attempt to design a training session ?

Hey guys I need some clarification on the overtraining aspect. Does evidence support over training doesn't exist at all or just specifically to strength training? In PPST they get into pretty elaborate detail of the negative health effects of it and it seemed like they had data to back up their claim based on how well it was written. Does it exist in other forms of training such as endurance and maybe explosive athletics and they were using that data? Or were they just pulling stuff out of their ass when they wrote about it?

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

In strength training overtraining likely does not exist.

Quick question -- When you are discussing linear progression and the average trainee achieving an upper 200 lbs squat, do you mean an upper 200 lbs squat for 3 sets of 5 repetitions, or the inferred "maximum" weight squatted for 1 repetition? Thank you.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

3 sets of 5.

@Mdigi1982

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I've been training for 14 years and just recently got into powerlifting, i havent maxed anything out, but right now my numbers have been 420lbs squat for 6 reps, 315 close grip bench for 2, and a 405 deficit deadlift for 6. this is all very vague, but my question ultimately is, am i choosing a beginner, intermediate, or advanced program? i go to a powerlifting gym so form checks and things of that nature are all around me, but as far as programming goes, i've just been winging it. everyone keeps telling me to stop winging it and get onto a program but there's a million of them to choose from and i'm a broke college kid, what the heck would you guys at barbell medicine recommend? Although i have been making very good progress lifting at my own discretion, the thought of a program is becoming more intriguing.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

You're probably not a novice any longer so we would classify you as "post novice."

Just started reading 3rd ed. of Practical Programming for Strength Training. Does the book follow principles outlined in these two podcasts or am I wasting my time?

@logicalveganlifts9521

6 жыл бұрын

reignator the book follows the complete opposite. I would look up Greg Nichols improving novice training article to give you practical advice on applying the topics discussed here

Why isn’t this in a hotel room? Love the videos.

@robbyhoffmann2975

6 жыл бұрын

Your guitar needs a strap and a stand.

i haven't seen "lower volume" advocating anywhere except on 5x5 StrongLifts. I followed their kinda dumb advice of switching from 5x5 to 5x3, to 3x3, to 1x3 as weight gets heavier. Yeah, you can lift more on 1x3 than 5x5, but what's the purpose for novices

@tzqrr

6 жыл бұрын

Andrey Andreev that is the question, isn’t it

@Jmack7861

3 жыл бұрын

The way I was taught (did SL 5x5 also but had a more experienced lifter walking me through any issues I had with it) was to alternate 5x5 days and 3x3 days which ended up working for a short period of time

Wait a second, are you suggesting 3 sets of 5 rather than 4 sets of 8?

Is it more useful to compare total tonnage or number of sets when determining if you are in fact training more over time?

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Neither would be better than the other without context, e.g. what specific goal are we discussing and in whom specifically?

@dustinclark9622

6 жыл бұрын

Barbell Medicine I see your point. Let’s say the ultimate goal is increased strength for powerlifting. The context would be comparing two back to back similar rep scheme blocks to ensure that the total volume is either equal to or greater than the previous block.

6:25 *Apart from killing someone.

I have question about birth control and if it is something that when on your training needs more of a response or less?

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Depends on the person, but no clear answer at this time.

What time frame is allowed to recognize that a training program is working or not?

@PinataOblongata

6 жыл бұрын

12 weeks, then test! ;)

@Rhye_

6 жыл бұрын

Depends, but give at least a month or two, unless something really obviously wrong happens

Can I look forward to the explanation of why the PPST old guy post novice worked for me (less volume) for a nice long run? Why did my LP stall out (after progressing when I switched to 2x/week for a decent period) if I needed more stress? No points for "placebo effect" (because 10+ years of Nautilus circuits failed to give ANY placebo effect).

@johnnysquiretube

6 жыл бұрын

Serious questions, not trolling, BTW.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Give more specifics, eg time frames, weight increases, and changes in other training variables. To be clear, I probably wouldn’t have you train 2x per week indefinitely under the guise that more recovery is what you need. However, the correct stress may not have been Stock SSLP for you

@johnnysquiretube

6 жыл бұрын

Specifics - I managed 3 months of SSLP (3x5) @ 3 days/week (48 yo, 190lbs 6'0") weights went 105/95/125/95 to 205/175/235/120, stalled hard after a reset, then I did 2 days/week SSLP to 260/235/320/135 over 4 months (@ 200 lbs) no stall. Had a year off squats and DLs (managing a little bench/press for the latter part) with a smashed tibia+pelvis and ortho revision, and then did 2 days/week from scratch to 280/250/320/155 over 8 months. That part probably isn't too relevant. That stalled just as PPST3 came out and I started p233 old guy post-novice 2 day/week and ran it over a year. Got a 1045 PL meet total at 6 months, followed by a month or so break, and ended the year at (1x5) 345/275/380/170 (@210 lbs, 51 yo). Looking at logs, when I missed a top set rep or two, I made progress the next week almost every time, so "more stress" didn't seem like a better answer than more recovery.

What Strat do you have Jordan?

@Barkotek

6 жыл бұрын

Monxoboyo looks like the Texas Nuance edition

6:38 What about withholding oxygen for 3 hours?

@Jmack7861

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

Question: soooo "running" out the rep ranges would increase weight on the bar in the short term but would decrease overall "stress" which would be counterproductive and could lead to detraining, making it a less optimal choice? Thank you sir!!!

@Cin9999

6 жыл бұрын

Cody Dodd Yes they said that in earlier podcasts as well I mean maybe you could argue that 3x5 and 5x3 are the same Volume at least but as soon as you go under 15 total reps it is less stress than before The brigde is there so I dont ger why anybody would want to trash themselves squeezing the last lbs out of ss

If more stress is necessary for continued progress, then it's backwards thinking to start squatting 80% on Wednesdays to try and run out LP longer. Correct?

@korbyn49

6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Gardner Not a doctor but I did this in the SSLP. I started having knee pain because form was lacking and I couldn’t recover. I got up to 340 before dropping the weight down and slowly moving back. I got up to 325 before my hips were just THROBBING. All lifts but deadlifts had stalled and so I moved into the BRIDGE program.

@nathanhenderson3533

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are essentially decreasing your work capacity by lowering stress and are peaking.

So I get the thinking behind adding 'more stress' to force adaptations, but if we analyze this with the 'ad infinitam' argument that was used to criticize the 'more recovery' method, wouldn't the 'more stress' idea break down eventually? I'm just asking if there is a point where more stress becomes too much stress? Or would there be a reason to add more stress AND more recovery?

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

More stress that is not needed to drive progress does not produce useful fatigue and would be a waste of recovery resources, but training too much (with intelligent load, volume and exercise selection) runs the bigger risk of making you too strong and too jacked. I'd avoid it and just hand waive about stuff instead.

@kevinheld8912

6 жыл бұрын

im not really sure what you are saying. i sense some kind of sarcasm, i was hoping for a clearer and more concise answer honestly. I think you are saying that you need enough stress to drive progress. but more stress than is necessary will not be as productive. but then you say that "training too much runs the risk of making you too strong..." so ignoring the sarcasm, arent you saying you want to train as much as possible? so are you saying you want to "train as much as possible, but not more than necessary". im still just a little confused. how much is enough and how much is more than necessary? im not trying to disagree or criticize, just trying to understand.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Kevin Held it is kind of a joke, as many people think they’re overtrained or doing too much when the opposite is usually true. There aren’t many concise answers in the land of programming. I am sorry my response was not to your liking.

@kevinheld8912

6 жыл бұрын

Barbell Medicine I think I just took it personally when I didn't need too. I know what you mean about people think they are over training tho

Can you desensitize yourself of training with a deload as some people say?

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

If anything you'd resensitize yourself to certain stimuli during a lower stress week.

ahaha @46:00

Awesome video. This is very specific to your target audience. Consult Mr. thrall for intro music.

So youre saying my genetic make up isn't modifiable?

@Sealed_Chamber

5 жыл бұрын

Have patience. Give it some time.

@bestboy007

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sealed_Chamber are you dumb on purpose? waiting 20 years until youre allowed to grow muscles by your fuckbody is nothing anybody wants.

So I’m a little confused so please excuse me but do you guys not believe in starting strength anymore it seems like your slowly pulling away and changing what you use to preach and it’s kind of sending me into a frenzy here because I got into starting strength because I believed in you guys so if that’s the case let me know if not also let me know so I can continue learning starting strength. If you guys don’t believe in it anymore you think you will have your own type of “credential” like starting strength does for becoming a strength coach

@sumsar01

6 жыл бұрын

Starting Strength is a novice program. Barbell Medicine is, at least right now, focused on intermediate training and beyond and that is where they at least currently differ in their opinion. SS is still a great novice program, but anyone who has tried TM will know that it is not a sustainable way to train and at least in my opinion the form of training that is introduced on "The Bridge" is much more enjoyable and effective.

@Nickmano17

6 жыл бұрын

sumsar01 so do you think going after a starting strength coaching credential would be not a great idea now ? I feel like almost a follower saying it that way but BBM got me into SS because I believe in them and there theory now I do not do the starting strength method my self I done it a while ago but I’m no novice so I don’t do it any longer but I saw this as a great way to become a credible strength coach in which people would listen but now there basically contradicting a lot about it. I have not tried the bridge yet I would love to be coached by them. So you think they would have a credential one day? And if so you think it be credible if I had the starting strength credential first or would they be like no this isn’t us it’s completely different? Sorry to bombard you with all this I’m just super confused what I should put my time into haha

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Good question. It's hard to say we "believe" in any certain entity that represents a lot of different topics. Rather, we think Starting Strength is a fantastic resource for coaching the lifts. It used to be a place where people were open to discuss different ideas, but that seems to be less and less of the case. If you're asking whether or not we disagree with them on programming explicitly then the answer is yes.

@Nickmano17

6 жыл бұрын

Barbell Medicine thank you for answering. I’ll admit the news had me sweating cuz like I said I believe in you guys and your beliefs strictly. So starting strength is a great way to learn the lifts and teach them but once out of the novice phase it becomes a bit obsolete? Which is kind of how I always saw it to be anyway. So do you recommend becoming certified through them anymore or not so much ? My goal is to be a strength coach but SS was my kind of way to be in the same type of “group” I guess you could say as you guys. I’m young and ambitious I spent alot of time putting in my effort to SS to get that credential and now idk if it would be worth it to much. Sorry for the long response just want to know if I could be guided in a direction that would help me get a credible certification to train those who want to get stronger and succeed. I’ll be seeing you guys in Brooklyn so I wouldn’t want to bring this question up then hahah. Thank you guys!

@riflemanm16a2

6 жыл бұрын

I've had similar feelings. I'm not even close to an expert, but I agree with BBM that SS is still great for coaching lifts and getting form down. Their main difference, as I see it, is just post-novice programming. It's weird to me that "Starting" Strength prescribes post novice programming since it's counter to the brand name. It was a relief to hear that Austin's LP ended at a 285 lb squat and that it's different for everyone. I was having a terrible time trying to get to 300 lb, missing reps 2 out of 3 workouts every jump in weight, thinking I was just doing something wrong (like not grinding out reps hard enough) because SS usually indicates that LP shouldn't end until the mid-300s or even 405 lb on the squat. I think SS misses some "nuance" by assuming everyone is either non-compliant or thinks he's a special case (which is maybe a decent assumption in most cases). If you want to get the SSC credential, go for it. It's valuable in that it will get you clients and you'll learn to coach the lifts.

Maybe I'm just lucky but many many people I train, people I train with, and myself, have seen huge long term results off of texas method. Again, it's possible I'm just lucky, but I've been making continual progress on all of my lifts with only 1 reset (unrelated knee injury) for nearly 6 months now. I wish they did a whole lecture on why its sub optimal so o can prove myself wrong but I just cant see why it's such a bad program. Huge love for these guys but rip has it right with the texas method.

the sad part is when you cite "Rip" like he's some kind of guru.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

I think Rip would take offense to the term "guru", but we certainly hold Rip in high regard for his contributions to our careers and the industry at large.

A bit surpising you did not mention overtraining.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

We did and it's still not a "thing" in resistance training.

I wanna comment on a few things as a new aspiring coach and power/strength lifter. I will add comments to this as I watch somewhat critical of the content. This is for my own critical thinking development as a coach, feel free to disagree as a lot of what I’ll be doing is expressing points of disagreement with men obviously more qualified than me as I find I learn the most when I question the people I respect the most.

@mrdrsir3781

3 жыл бұрын

1. I wonder if the large disparities in training outcomes of intermediates has more to do with variables other than programming, like nutrition, sleep and life stress. In other words, maybe you are overrating how much programming matters and if other variables are accounted for their’d be less of a difference between the outcomes of your programming and the methods coming out of the starting strength community.

@mrdrsir3781

3 жыл бұрын

2. This is more of a point of contention from the last video between you and Matt Reynolds, but I have a hard time, as Matt Reynolds does, believing 5rm are not a good training stimulus. Volume work is usually done in SS intermediate programs in the ranges you recommend and I see 5rm prs both as reasonably good high effort work and a real indicator that your 1rm has gone up. I think you can’t get much more specific than 5-2 rep maxes on the main lifts, for the main lifts, other than just maxing out of course. I see the texas method and variants of the texas method as pretty solid concurrent training.

@mrdrsir3781

3 жыл бұрын

3. I also see you and Starting strength as having fundamentally different goals and because of that some of your critiques fall flat. You seem to care about peak performance(as do I as a competitor in the strength sports) and starting strength is selling a product to people who care less about that. So SS Factors that in, caring about things like efficiency(limiting time in the gym) and simplicity, as simplicity is attractive to the narrow cast of customers SS is building. You might well be right that more volume might be better for even grandma Josephine, but most grandmas don’t want to spend 2-3 hours in the gym pumping out sets to get the last bit of optimum training. Grandma Josephine just wants to be able to carry her groceries and hold her grandkids. Great, but not optimal is fine for her if it means the time in the gym is moderate so she can go play bingo in the evening and go on her midday stroll. So I’m saying both of yours and SS’s ideas are right and wrong. It just depends on the goals of the client.

@mrdrsir3781

3 жыл бұрын

4. If I’m not misunderstanding, which I very well could be, you seemed to think LP fails because the stress isn’t high enough. I feel like that’s blatantly false. It fails because the stress is too high. That’s why MED changes like adding a light day and adding back off sets can keep the LP going past were the traditional LP would stall. Because they act as a small deload, reliving stress. LP fails because the level of stress outstrips the ability to recover. You seemed to imply later that ability to recover improves at the same level as your stress increases, but then, logically, we’d have to conclude that overtraining is impossible. In a world where overtraining exists, we’d have to conclude that we can increase stress at a faster rate than we can improve our ability to recover. And I’d argue that it’s not stress that causes adaptation, it’s recovery from the appropriate amount of stress. And that LP stalls because the level stress overtrains and overwhelms the ability to recover from it. From this conceptual bases I’d assume we’d signs of overtraining if an advanced lifter ever did something as crazy as running the SS LP. Could you imagine Ray Williams doing 800 for a 3x5 and adding 5 pounds 3 times a week? He’d overtrain himself way faster than any novice. The LP is an insanely quick increase in stress adding 45 pounds of tonnage to the squat and dead a week.

@mrdrsir3781

3 жыл бұрын

5. In your critique of MED programming around minute 35 is valid but somewhat misunderstood. First, the E in MED is very important. As someone who’s studied MED for a year, done some programming with it and taken a 6 month formal class on it I have an elementary understanding of MED programming. I myself have gotten to a 365 bench in part to MED programming (the MED part being the last 100 pounds in 6 months) after just 1 and a half training years. No one would MED program how you describe. Because it’s not EFFECTIVE. It’s just minimal. Now you could defending MED in this way is circular, and I’m just arguing from definition. Frankly I think this is a very fair criticism of MED and one I’ve made myself. It’s kind of vage. In the end, MED is just a kind of Texas based case for professional expensive coaching by coaches that, for the most part, have been very well picked. That in a sense, MED isn’t a so much a novel thing. Most individualized programming will make small changes that they think will be effective in achieving PRs. In fact, I think you could MED the starting strength LP all the way into a program that looks like Chad Wesley Smith wrote it. Having listened to about 500 hours of Matt Reynolds talking on his podcast, I’ve heard him say many times he’s not wedded to intensity over volume. He just prefers to use it until it doesn’t work anymore. Then he adds volume. And having read through dozens of programs that have used MED in the SS forums for lifting logs, they almost always use volume percentages around the 70-80 range and often will break away from 5s at later levels if intensity. So if you critique Matt Reynold’s method, look at what he actually does for the love of goodness. You probably agree way more than you think! I’m getting flustered now so I think I’m going to take a break. But I’ll continue tomorrow.

Cute dinosaur :) I don't want to assume gender, but what's his name? Mr. T? Rex?

But easy doesn't work. It's just math. Add weight to the bar every time. Squat 1000lbs in one year by doing that. Set world records. Make millions of dollars. Drown in women. Become drunk on fame. Start doing drugs. Go to rehab. Reflect on life. Realize there is more to it than just lifting weights. Find a higher power. Help humanity. Make a positive impact. Leave a legacy.

@Creamy6oodness

5 жыл бұрын

It's been 11 months. How's that 1000lb squat coming along?

Just because it doesn't work for 100% of people doesn't mean it can't work for 99% of people. Ibuprofen works for 99% of people in reducing pain and inflammation. So should you have to just recommend it on an individual basis? Obviously not. Gravity is a natural phenomenon that works the same on 99.9% of objects. Natural phenomenons can have near 100% accuracy. No reason muscle building or strength training should be any different.

Training resistant. What a way to describe someone who sucks.. I'm not bad at football I'm just football resistant

@Sealed_Chamber

5 жыл бұрын

That's the way.

This one seemed like it took 53 minutes to say things that could have been said in 20 minutes.

@BarbellMedicine

6 жыл бұрын

Couldn't leave out the nuance, dude.