Epic Drifting on Wheel-of-Wheels
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Normally drift carts have powered back wheels with less grip than usual so they can slide sideways, but in my case, I’m using an omni-wheel on the back which is like a normal wheel, but has lots of longboard wheels around its circumference.
That means it can be powered to drift the cart sideways, but drive forwards and backwards under power from the front wheels. The back wheel was originally made for the balancing omni-wheeled bicycle project which you can check out in my channel.
The front wheels are 10” hoverboard wheels which have motors built into the hubs, so this makes building front wheel drive with steering a lot easier.
Last time I got most of the chassis together including the steering assembly, and I got the omni-wheel mounted on the back, along with a motor and belt reduction gear box to drive it.
Altogether it looked pretty good, and I think it’s going to drift around just fine - and under power which should make it super controllable.
This time we need to get the steering column built, but before that I need to put the seat on so I can get the handlebars in the right place, and work out what angle I need the steering column to be at.
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I think Colin furze is going to want a go on this
@wiktorszymczak4760
Жыл бұрын
I mean... He knows where James lives...
@Pooopers
Жыл бұрын
Colin Furze is barely half the builder James is, in my respectful opinion.
@JamesPelicot
Жыл бұрын
@@Pooopers don’t hate on Colin, man made a bunker in his garden
@88njtrigg88
Жыл бұрын
@@JamesPelicotUnfortunately... Engineering, caricature and calculus are unfortunately not three words that should be associated with Colin. He's has some very intriguing projects but if l was human resources for a magalmanac ie sharkes with lasers, Jame would be one of my first choices.. Have a good one. Ciao..!
@JamesPelicot
Жыл бұрын
@@88njtrigg88 true, but Colin is a vibe, but y’a james is brilliant
this is the vehicle with the most chaotic energy i've seen in a while and I love it
Really loving all the projects you've been doing now that you've expanded your materials and tools to include steel and wood working!
an interesting modification (since i don't think you're offroading right?) is flipping the seat brace so it's below the chassis that way you're sitting closer to the ground and hopefully don't flip as much
@vblaas246
Жыл бұрын
And/or lower the center of mass a bit by adding a bit of mass if possible. There seems some room for some extra work (E) to compensate the added mass acceleration? Easier to try out?
It's been wonderful seeing all the things you've managed to build with this omni-wheel! Can"t wait to see what you've got in store next. At the risk of coming off as patronizing, I'd highly recommend elbow pads, it's so easy to break an elbow falling on concrete and elbows do not heal, it just takes one bad hit and you won't ever be able to fully extend your arm or lift heavy weights with that arm again. Take it from someone who broke both.
@MattDunlapCO
Жыл бұрын
Or just a safety tie.
looks like fun :) maybe dropping the seat a few inches might help with easier balance
@andrestricker4118
Жыл бұрын
@@kennyanderson3123 Just go fast enough and that will magically happen by itself :)
@newmonengineering
Жыл бұрын
Maybe just a larger pair of front wheels with the mounts inverted so the cart hangs below the center motor shaft. But over all its a bit too narrow to be stable, it needs another foot in width and larger front wheels to make it more stable
@markturner2561
Жыл бұрын
Came here to say this 😁
@bendingsands87
Жыл бұрын
If he also put some 'training wheels' on casters to either side of the big wheel at the same width as the front wheels, or wider, he should be good. That thing looks like it'd be super fun.
@10:00 you need to add a couple stabilizer wheels on either side of the back drift wheel, to keep from turning over, which is common on Trikes... You dont need 2 drift wheels, just add 2 stabalizer ball wheels on either side of the drift wheel :-D
This is brilliant Suggestions; Lower the seat to improve centre of gravity. Add two trolly wheels either side at the back to improve stability.
@WalterEskuche
Жыл бұрын
I didn't see your comment before mine, same idea, fewer word, brilliant
@nou5440
Жыл бұрын
i was thinking about the castor wheels too
The channel turned from mostly 3D printed with a quite high plastic throughput to heavy metal construction quite fast ^^. Both are cool :). Just watching some win compilations lately felt like watching old TV series, which were repeated :D
wait for the weld to stop glowing before removing the tig torch - allow the shielding gas to do it’s job (post flow gas)
@creamofbotulismsoup9900
Жыл бұрын
Those welds are better than most of the crap we buy from China. I really wouldn't worry about it for something like this.
@eliotmansfield
Жыл бұрын
@@creamofbotulismsoup9900 sure - it’s more relevant to welding ally to be fair, but it’s a good practice to learn early on. I also assume he doesn’t have high frequency start because he appears to lift the torch off the job when starting.
@ManifoldSky
Жыл бұрын
@@creamofbotulismsoup9900 As opposed to where, exactly? You think the stuff manufactured in the U.S. is universally well-made?!? The Chrysler K-Car says: "hold my beer ('cause I don't even have cup holders!)".
@creamofbotulismsoup9900
Жыл бұрын
@@ManifoldSky Have you not seen any of the cheap consumer grade metal products that are manufactured in China? The K was made BEFORE cup holders became common place, they were at least a mediocre quality vehicle and don't look like they were welded together by a toddler.
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589
Жыл бұрын
@@creamofbotulismsoup9900 porosity in welds makes them fail suddenly & unpredictably. It's what shielding gas was invented to prevent, brainiac.
James dress this up a bit like a vintage bumper car, put some caster wheels under the back corners for stability (hidden by the dress up body work) and it would be a sellable product! It's wicked! Well done!
Definitely make a version with two back wheels. This has got to be so fun to drive.
I just want to test out the things you make. Just so cool. Could you ever make an omniwheel for a walker and/or cane? The front wheels on walkers are normally casters, but terrible ones, and something like this would make navigating much easier. And having a wheel on a cane or walking stick is a great options for those going through rehabilitation and just need a point of reference for balance.
sweet build! time to add a yaw / tilt gyro sensor based stability control to power the rear wheel into the tilt to keep from flipping up / over
@ghossamer
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see that. Or gyroscopic stabilization!
It is almost like a big "Crazy Kart". Wonderful Work!
Wow!!! Looks soo cool. Its so fun watching you build cool stuff with irregular things like omni-wheels, as well as mixing steel, ply and 3d printed parts!
That thing looks like a lot of fun to drive, and simultaneously a nightmare to drive.
NOW YOU'RE COOKIN' WITH GAS! Cool drift cart!
MAN!!! This, but a giant BB8 sphere wheel on the back. I've been wanting to comment that idea for a while but didn't want to write a whole thing about it. But yeah, please put a sphere wheel on the back of this setup. Thank you for your content.
There needs to be a cart race with things like this. Where engineers can build wacky carts like this and compete. The cart has to have something different than a typical driving system and maybe has a limited maximum speed for safety purposes.
Amazing! 2 spinning casters mounted on either side of the omni wheel about an inch from the ground could give you a safety and prevent tipping. cant wait to see what you make next!
"Turn right to go left! Turn right to go left!"
i love all these new projects! super cool that you use non printed things now and he careful with that vehicle
That was a real fun one James! I love watching you use your R&D and pushing new projects / ideas. Keep up the great work!
Your welding skills have improved so much! Great job! 💪 I also really appreciate the mix of 3d printing and welding
Watching you cut those bars with the super high rpm chopsaw is terrifying. A horizontal bandsaw has made my life easier and retired my metal cutting disc.
I'd suggest having a sloped wedge for your left foot. Perhaps have a button on the left and right of the wedge, so when you pivot your ankle left and right, you can switch between reverse and forwards. Also perhaps some stabiliser bars on the left and right with castor wheels? (Like people put on Reliant Robins)
you sir, deserve many thumbs up. love the crash montage at the end, great entertainment! Thanks James!
Kudos on taking so many spills and keeping on! Good stuff man this is an amazing project!
This channel has been giving me last of the summer wine vibes lately
You are the man every child with any sort of interest in STEM dreams to be
Cool. Been excited to see this. Also, I'm stoked about your welding montages. The music reminds me of the old school 80s Transformers movie soundtrack.
So cool!!! To make things a bit less jerky, I might suggest putting in a smoothing algorithm for engaging/disengaging the drift.
Sweet tunes! Cool build!
That looks so cool and slightly terrifying.
Love it! Great job!!
Great video. Loved the project. Very cool indeed.
Bloody excellent.
This is such a cool idea, it works really well
You look like you're having so much fun!!
Amazing project... lots of fun! With two rear omni-wheels it would make it more stable, yes... but it would lose the quirky cool three-wheel look. Maybe if you make the chassis a little longer and put the seat as close to the floor as possible... it would be less cheating on cheating! hahah
Awesome engineering James. I would love to see you take an EGO zero turn riding mower and convert it to 4 wheel steering using the existing lap bars. Basically converting the front caster wheels to steer along with the lap bars position. Maybe add a windshield wiper motor to each caster fork spindle. Main issue with zero turn mowers is the front caster wheels are not part of the lap bar steering, so they suck on slopes.
truly awesome
This looks such a fun thing to play around !
Every project I have seen on this channel has been a wonder of innovation and imagination. I hope you refine this one. If the seat was mounted on a slider that moved it to the side of the direction the cart was turning as well as tilted the driver that would help with the problem of rollover. I would work the design up from pivoting the driver and steering column together left to right, loosing the accelerator pedal for twist grips on the steering handle and just having blocks the driver can brace their feet on.
I'd love to see a video of this being driven on a go kart track with hairpin turns to really show off its drifting
I think this would work really well if you turned the omniwheel 90 degrees so that it points in the direction you are going and make it the driving wheel, removing the front wheel drive and then adding some resistance to the tiny wheels on the omni so they don't spin as easily but only under load. That way it's RWD but can still skid sideways with the tiny wheels and you won't need the extra "drift buttons" at the steering wheel! I think it would drive really well as long as you adjust the resistance of the tiny wheels so that you don't spin out instantly but can also skid some.
@Delibro
Жыл бұрын
Could also mount the omni-wheel at 45 degree ... So funny that that is even possible.
I love how James make's his projects look like nothing, absolute LEGEND
Jump Jacks next? JK, well done! Cool project.
You should make a cart with the ball wheels I love to see that
That looks super fun
you could also have a couple of passive wheels on the back like training wheels to help prevent tipping. love this! it looks like it's a blast to ride!
Looks like your welding skills really improve with this kind pf projects keep marking it!
I'd say you were crabbing, either way it looks pretty nuts!
Next assignment, programming automatic drifting so you only need to turn the one wheel and look like a drifting pro.
So cool , that backwards drifting looked strange but fun
Very crazy looking thing - I love it!😍 Stability could be much better by just lovering seat into frame and then move feet in front of front wheels, so whole body would be closer to the ground 🤓 Really cool steering wheel, smart to use 3d print and cheap of the shelf thumb throttles. Super idea 🤯👌
Awesome. :D Would it be possible to stabilise the kart by making the omni wheel slow down more smoothly (or even reversing)?
Hey James, where do you get all of your amazing ideas from? Having the idea for an Omni Drift wheel. Do you spent time on engineering forums or do they come from your expert knowledge in robotics?
Legend!
This is amazing, this could be a product
I'm wondering how much of the stability is just your high CG.. Most 'drift trikes' have the riders rear just about running on the ground. But it's an impressive concept!
@richards7909
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he should lay on it like the Skeleton bobsleighers :D
My biggest recommendation would be getting a pair of wrist protectors. That way when you tip over you don't get hurt using your hands to catch yourself!
Nice onboard video on this one!
I'd love to see a race of a perfected design of this. Probably the closest to Mario Kart style drifting you'd be able to get.
Seems like a really good platform for a battle bot!
That's some serious progress, you made a functioning vehicle! I think maybe next you should focus on stability.
Holly crap! You need to commercialize this!
When he originally said drift kart I thought the back wheel would be driven and it look like a reverse trike but this is so cool
That is awesome
You should pass the easiest doctorate you can find so you can call yourself Dr. James Bruton. Kinda has a nice ring to it.
That looks like funnn
Epic!
You should totally add regenerative braking to the rear wheel and make it a free spinning wheel so that when you're drifting without powering it you're recharging the batteries
Legend
Looks like it could use some optimization in the algorithm. Fun build!
This is probably a production ready idea.. Some company should make it and put them in a kids park.. It will be awesome..
A 2 rear drift wheel version would be nice to see!
The front wheels skid allot, I think the Ackermann angle is wrong when drifting. considering it is only going to be "drifting" to turn then it is probably worth using a zero or negative Ackermann angle. Also, you need to mix the wheel speeds to account for the turning otherwise it will try to skid like a fixed axle drive.
@xaytana
Жыл бұрын
AntiAckermann would work for typical drifting, no grip under the rear axle with front guiding wheels, but would not work for this due to the setup. The problem is, you have a perpendicularly driven omni-wheel that only allows for two axes of movement, forward passively and horizontally actively, which means it does not have a turning circle itself; mixed with the front wheels, it does have a turning circle somewhere, but the center will be in-line with the center of the kart. Mix this with the more typical front axle's steering, and you'll get a turning circle somewhere between the two, due to stupid amounts of skid and slip; and I can almost guarantee you that James has not gone down that rabbit hole to figure out where the turning circle's center actually is throughout the entire steering throw or how to optimize the mixing to maximize efficiency during turning, either normally or drifting. Honestly, this is a bad design, and designs like this will always be bad, because they do not work for the purpose they're made to do. The rear wheel should be based on an active omni-wheel, the kind where both axes of motion on a singular wheel are powered, except this should be inversed to where instead of powering these axes they should instead be passive and braked, that way one axis can be locked out to passively allow full movement to the other axis, vice versa, and variable mixing. But even with this, the best you'll achieve is poor emulation of actual drifting, it'd better emulate fwd drifting (also known as ass-dragging) but even then it'd poorly do it; this is because in actual drifting you'll actually have a ton of energy in the rear wheels and the fact that there is still some grip, this is what causes rear ends to sway to one side under burnouts and drifting has similar characteristics, whereas in any omni-wheel setup the rear wheels will be dead and passive or poorly driven, the various dynamics are just not there. Overall, it's a characteristics issue, and omni-wheels just cannot replicate these characteristics while attempting to emulate drifting. This is also just poor use of omni-wheels anyways, they're meant to allow for omni-directional movement under proper mixing of multiple axles (parallel or non-parallel) with omni-wheels on each axle, not give weird handling characteristics to a hybrid setup; they're meant for a movement platform, not a typical vehicle. The bike was a better concept, though it should've had the omni-wheel in the back, that way you can use your hips to swing it from side to side, similar to the swing bikes Swing King produces.
@NegussugeN
Жыл бұрын
@@xaytana have you ever made your own omni wheel?
@xaytana
Жыл бұрын
@@NegussugeN Oh look, a logical fallacy. Honestly, get out of here with that shit. Have enough logical thought and comprehension to understand what I've described goes far beyond if I've made my own omni-wheel or not. Fun fact, you don't even have to construct your own wheel to understand how they work, especially when they're already in abundant supply at certain scales, and the scale disparity really doesn't change my argument at all, which further invalidates your fallacy. If you had any comprehension skills, you'd understand that I clearly have a deeper understanding of what's going on here than the vast majority of the other comments, do you see anyone else talking about the actual dynamics of drifting and why those dynamics do not mate the dynamics of this build, or explaining why these kind of faux-drifting vehicles do not work as intended? So kindly, piss off with your logical fallacies, and learn how to contribute to a conversation, and while you're at it learn some basic comprehension and logical thought, and learn how to have intelligent arguments. But congratulations at being entirely unintelligent within a forum that otherwise should be intelligent conversation; but here we are, with your idiocy, and someone having to explain why you're an idiot. Honestly, go back to Twitter if logical fallacies are your best counterargument. In case you don't get it, building something similar is entirely irrelevant when we're discussing the math and physics behind it, and building something similar with no accounting for improvements doesn't actually move the conversation along, you can better refine a design on-paper before having a physical variant anyways, so you also clearly don't understand anything about the processes of design or production. I also do have credentials that go far beyond just making an omni-wheel, but again they're irrelevant outside the fact that I do understand physics and the dynamics of various systems, so honestly just stop with the logical fallacy bullshit. And to further expose your ignorance, if you're talking about the kart build, that's an omni-wheel _vehicle,_ and an omni-_wheel_ itself. A literal toddler could tell you the difference between a wheel and a vehicle. If you also had any basic comprehension skills, you'd also notice that I have an issue with omni-wheel _vehicles_ themselves as their dynamics and characteristics just don't make sense, as omni-wheels are better for _omni-directional platforms,_ as that's the intended use of omni-wheels. It's so easy to not be an idiot, I suggest you try it sometime.
Maybe you could make a Ripstik style robot, using the back and forth motion of a tilted cast wheel to generate forward momentum.
Looks like fun! Maybe add a fake pedal on the left side for you to brace that foot against better, and for those rare umbles, some elbow pads ;)
Thanks
As a practical matter, isn't an omniwheel functionally similar to a caster?
It would be great fun to see a large, over-engineered version of this vehicle made at great expense for our entertainment
😎 awesome 👍🏻
Maybe add some casters in the back, så you cant tip over? Very cool build!
1 kart, 4 omni-wheels!!! 😁
Where did you get that freaky seat?! Love it! Three wheelers are normally a bit tippy, just make sure that the end with the higher center of gravity is the end with two wheels. Looks like a fun ride. Kudos
Why on earth did you make the CoG so high? If you flipped the seat mount bars 180 and we'll it underneath you could drop the seat height massively. Put a 360 knuckle joint in the steering column and you would have a much lower CoG with out having to put a forth wheel in. Also I noticed that the drift wheel is quite jerky, you could code in an Euler function to smooth out the throttle off jerks
I would’ve personally made the rear wheel controlled by two separate pedals for both feet, something similar to rudder pedals on a plane. Then you can put a throttle on the wheel, maybe like a brake lever on a bicycle? Very cool however, awesome work
Two angle controlled caster wheels at the rear may also be interesting. With some combination of throttle input and steering angle, simulate breaking traction by turning the casters. Maybe if I start now I can have something ready before my nephews are old enough to get their actual drivers licenses... some 12-ish years should be enough :o Though this was of course an exercise in omni-wheel applications, and a very cool one at that!
I you should put two SMALL OMNI-DIRECTIONAL "wheels" on the rear corners to keep it from tipping over... that would be a GREAT V2 !!!!! :D
You could also use the wheel as an auto-balancer with an IMU, like in your bike, and the kart should be a lot more stable
saludos desde argentina!!
I find it much easier to control the TIG torch by holding it palm up and to rest my elbow holding the torch on the table/frame/my leg or something stable. It is kind of like holding a drum stick traditional style. I tend to get straighter more consistent weld beads compared to palm down the way you seem to be welding. I think a lot of the stability comes from being able to rest my elbow on something stable, so I can pivot the torch around my elbow. Once I am ready to weld the bead, I do one test pass without turning on the TIG and just make sure I can reach the entire weld, or at least make a good length bead on longer welds.
maybe with 2 omnidirectional wheels on the back for stability you could avoid capsizing, like helper wheels for bikes but the kind that's used for office chairs and follow the direction of movement
The next obvious step is to reverse the steering linkage, and add a potentiometer to the steering shaft for drifting. When you turn right, the front wheels should turn left and the rear omniwheel should start to drift you right. Take the human element right out of it. You'll need some speed data too I suppose so the omniwheel only turns at an appropriate rate for your forward speed.
There was a great deal on that evolution chopsaw at Screwfix recently could still be there
I think if you flipped the mounting brackets for the seat this thing would be great. Try to get that center of gravity a bit lower.
Maybe it would be a good idea to put a couple of caster wheels on the rear as well just off the ground to act like stabilisers.