This was wonderfully done! You hit all the major issues I've learned on the topic that frustrate me so much, and even a few things I didn't know. That Delbert Stapely letter to Gov Romney was one of my biggest shocks. Romney became very close to many Black people as he served in Michigan and was fighting for their civil rights. Stapely insisted that anyone who fought against "God's" law on this was going to face God's wrath and threatened Romney that God may smite him if he didn't change course. He also sent the book, "Mormonism and the Negro", which is an absolutely appalling book which I have a couple copies in my library just to show the kinds of things the church taught. You can find PDFs of it online as well if you want to read it, it's a pretty small book. One key piece of this story is that at the end of McKay's presidency as all the senior apostles are fighting against McKay's attempt to overturn the ban as 'policy', the apostles were gathering support among the quorum to declare this a doctrine that must be overturned by revelation. Shortly after McKay died, they had the consensus they needed and sent out a letter to all bishops informing them of this. The book David O McKay and the rise of Modern Mormonism covers all the political intrigue in amazing detail, and is highly recommended!

Great presentation. Thanks

Just started watching. As one who was born and raised LDS, but in Brazil, this 'revelation' really defined me and my family. Though as you can most likely see from my picture, I'm white, but I'm Brazilian of mixed ancestry. This didn't just affect blacks but anyone who had black ancestry. I was born in early '79, and my parents were concerned about my being a boy, bc it would've meant that I couldn't have received the priesthood. They were, of course, elated when Kimball announced that all worthy members could now receive the priesthood and participate fully as members. My dad had helped build the São Paulo Temple, and both my parents were some of the first members to go through the temple and turn around and help others go through for their endowments (as I was in the womb). Can't wait to see what you guys have here. I've learned about some of the political (financial etc) pressure they had an looking forward to learning more. This whole thing has been 'explained' to me my whole life, but it never completely sat well, especially after learning, in seminary/institute that JS had actually ordained blacks to the priesthood and that it was BY who instituted the ban (never liked him much, and now I know he's just pure evil... And I know what it all conclusively leads). Let's just say the last 3 years have been an incredible spiritual journey for me and my family.

I remember my family being upset by South Pacific because of the interacial romances and the point being made that we don't do that. "You have to be carefully taught!"

In 1971 I was serving in the Indiana Michigan Mission. In one particular zone conference our mission President read us a letter from the first presidency. The letter instructed all missionaries to stop teaching and seeking future members among the Black/African American population. If we we’re currently in the process of teaching blacks we were to stop. The only exception to that would be if the (Black) investigator made the appointment. If we tracked out black people we were to leave a scripture or a short message and not return. I was absolutely blown away because, the night before we (believe it or not) found a “golden” Black Family. I know, hard to believe…but true. I questioned what the hell I was doing on this mission.

@sheliabryant3997

10 ай бұрын

@craig. Wow. What an experience! That must have been 🤯. Want to say, "So sorry," but really, WHAT AN HISTORICALLY important event to have in one's lifetime, both despite the very awfulness of it and BECAUSE of the awfulness. And then, further on to witness the tap-dancing that (if being truly honest) is still going on about it.

Yes! It was all about Brazil and it's explosive growth!

I was 13 years old in a small Mormon community in New Mexico. We were told it was revelation and voted to sustain it. I recall people voting against it and others very supportive. Dated a biracial girl in college in 1983 and it was considered taboo. In 1985 I serve a mission in Brazil.

My dad, as a missionary back then, was taught to look at a line on the hand, as he shook it. It was awful!

Great podcast--very informational.

I was a missionary in Brasil 1976-1978. Elder Faust of the quorum of the 70s was in charge of Brasil since he spoke Portuguese. I was in the mission home practically my entire mission due to some financial fraud that I told to SLC and they sent an auditor down, who spent more than a year with me as we tracked down and stopped the rampant fraud. I had lots of interactions with Elder Faust as a result. Elder Faust implemented a policy that we were to teach a genealogy lesson first in an attempt to find out if an investigator had African heritage and to abandon them if we found any. I dumbly took the policy seriously and never found someone eligible to be taught, so I never baptized anyone. I found no Brazilian without some African heritage if you dug hard enough. I even found African heritage in all my Brazilian companions and in my Brazilian mission president. The Sao Paulo temple was about to be dedicated, and in reality, virtually no Brazilian should have been allowed to go. Just before the Sao Paulo temple was to be dedicated, the African priesthood ban was lifted. I talked to Faust about it. I got no indication that he was against the ban, but he told me how he was relieved it had been lifted. I now think Faust, who was a 70 at the time, implemented his policy in Brasil begrudgingly, and I was one of the few suckers to follow it closely. Soon thereafter Faust was made an apostle. It's slightly possible Faust convinced Kimball, and got rewarded by Kimball for helping to convince the others. I always hated myself for having strictly followed Faust's instructions when others in Brasil clearly ignored it and were not reprimanded by Faust for doing so. I think Faust saw no way to have a Sao Paulo temple with the policy. However, Faust DID have that African heritage exclusionary policy in Brasil, so he is not blameless. PS: Many of us were told the ban had been lifted because the Blacks had finally become righteous enough. I know, that's a horrible thing to think or to be told. But that rumor fits with the story I just told. The Brazilians were told to sacrifice a lot to pay for the temple. I know many who gave their all to funds to help build the temple. It's slightly possible Faust convinced Kimball and the others that the time had come to lift the ban because the Blacks had proven their righteousness in their sacrifices to build the Sao Paulo temple.

Helvécio Martins! My parents talked about him! Probably met him.

At around 10:45 you talk about the statement. Just a reminder, back then, these things weren't accessible to many members, especially outside of the US. They were really good at explaining things away. And not questioning. Brazil was exploding in membership, especially in the NE of Brazil, where my dad served. Brazil only abolished slavery in 1888. BUT, there was no segregation or Jim Crow etc afterwards. Brazilians in the NE intermarried etc. Post Civil War US has always puzzled me with its lawful racial discrimination. Anyway, back to watching lol

I have never been a LDS member but am interested in its history . I was born in 67 ‘ and raised in Hawaii we had Mormons move in next door in 74’. We were the only white family in the neighborhood besides them . All my friends were at least 2-3 nationalities mixed Japanese /Chinese/Filipino/ Hawaiian I remember some kind of problem happened when my friends 15 year old brother was talking to the 17 Mormon girl in front of her house . What I was told she was laughing and enjoying what ever they were talking about when her older brother came out and made her go in the house . Her brother was trying to to polite about it but basically “stay away from my sister “. when I was older my brother laid it out .” We thought oh older brother protecting sister but it came out they do not want her dating anyone who is not white …it’s their religion.. that’s when the whole neighborhood stopped talking to them “ after a year they moved out Related or not I don’t know . But after watching this i can see a much bigger picture .

I served a mission in Brazil from 1973 to 1075. We were trained to "interrogate" prospective members (investigators) under the guise of discussing the valuation and commitment to family so as to surreptitiously discover any black ancestor of the investigator. If a black family member was discovered, we were instructed to politely withdraw, offer a tepid invitation to visit the local ward and leave it be. If the investigators in question pushed the issue we could continue according to the investigator's interest but not offering any perceptible encouragement. I can't now believe I did that. Young and dumb.

@mormonishpodcast1036

6 ай бұрын

Isn’t that what Jesus taught in. The gospels? Geez, this is really hard to hear. We’ve all done dumb things in the name of God. Thank you for sharing this!

In Brazil no one ever thought about it being a ban on eternal families. Just priesthood. But, at the same time, I guess bc my parents were technically interracial (though in Brazil my mom looks white too) and they got married in the temple.

@mormonishpodcast1036

9 ай бұрын

Really appreciate your insight into this issue! The information is more meaningful from people with personal connections to the story!

Landon and Rebecca, good episode. Landon just a couple things - it’s LGBTQ, not LBGTQ as the correct abbreviation. Also sometimes you made some references that sounded insensitive. You called African Americans ‘colored’ at one point early in the podcast and also referred to lower income African Brazilians in a way that seemed a bit offensive. Rebecca you did amazing !

@richardprice5978

Жыл бұрын

i liked most of it 👍 but the polygamy/group marriage commentary was a turnoff for me and some-others that i know, discrimination against it is wrong but limiting it to 5-linked licenses would do aka changing the marriage license laws and fraud-law's would help a lot as there enforced and written wonderfully including being racist and homophobic ect gay male ( and cronosexual/pedo/rape is sin and jail time-usa ) in the biblical/Abraham and lds-core can't be changed that im awareness of but USA 🇺🇸 legally im not going to stop gay-sex/it or open-swingers ( not sure religion wise on fidelity swingers group-marriage in lds faith/belief's if its a sin or not assuming that male-gay-sex wasn't happening ), it's just not my thing as a scientific mindset aka im not super religious in 2022~ i do much better with bi sexual female marriage aka 2 or 3 women, and im a terrible batchualer/monogamy husband

Brazil Superpower with BRICS and China ahead of the economy !!!

Mormons 🙈🙉🙈

1:00:11 Disagree with your observation on the gay community. Not the same as race.

This is an anti mormon podcast that rubbish the latterday Saints with lies and misunderstandings