Really interesting talk guys!

@Philosopheckery

23 күн бұрын

Thank you James. Glad you liked it. Please like and subscribe, it helps a lot 🙏

Children like the Freethinker appear to have been born in an Era where Farmers have been eliminated. The Agricultural Commodity Producers who operate Farm Business are different from Farmers who produced Food for those around them, they create Commodities that the Brokers set the prices for. Farmers were a large portion of the Agriculture Community and the voices they had, along with their Votes were difficult to control. Small Farmers and their work went away with the Post Offices in Rural America. After 1967 as they removed the Mail from the Railroads, small shipments of Grain were no longer profitable for Farmers to support. As the Profits shifted to the Large Ag Organizations the small Towns shrivel up and die. We might venture an opinion that a conspiracy to eliminate small Farms, and the Farmers who tended crops, were not something the Oligarchs will allow? The Industrial Agricultural Production facilities are not farms, they are support systems that create massive amounts of Commodities that can create profits. The Economy as Your Conversation indicates has dictated the quality and content of the production of Commodities. The Farmers are long gone.

@daithiflannery583

21 күн бұрын

Thanks for that comment. I agree, the farmers are largely gone. However, the myth of the farmer persists and seems to be a collective delusion in many places.. I'm interested in similar situations where the myth remains bug what it's based on has long disappeared.. Any suggestions would be much appreciated

@JohnPauley-iv9dj

20 күн бұрын

Good point- although how we make a judgment about who is a "farmer" will change with our use of the word. It might be best to say "commodities producer" and see if it catches on (really unlikely)

@danielhutchinson6604

20 күн бұрын

@@JohnPauley-iv9dj The Producers seem happy no matter what you call them, as long as the profits flow.

@JohnPauley-iv9dj

20 күн бұрын

@@danielhutchinson6604 They will not back away from "farmer"- crucial to their identity and role in the culture (however misconstrued)

@danielhutchinson6604

20 күн бұрын

@@JohnPauley-iv9dj I was hauling Can Milk in 1969, I know what a Farmer looks like and smells like. The industrial Farmers driving fingertip control combines in Tube Tops, do not understand how to assemble Shocks, or how to create food for those around them..

I listened to the whole conversation here and will give you some feedback. It provided some interesting insights into Iowa and agriculture. First of all, I regard Trump as a 90s Democrat with followers who are essentially boomer conservatives (in effect culturally only some decades behind the modern left). Regarding the subject of Trump and the Ukraine, it was surprising to hear professor Pauley react with incredulity that many Americans do not wish to support Ukraine. For a man who seemed to be in touch with the people, this comment came across as incredibly arrogant and ill-informed. America has been the world's most violent nation in terms of starting foreign wars ever since WW2. Ukraine is the world's most corrupt regime and it has been used as a proxy by the Global American Empire to poke the Russian Federation for a long time. You guys talk of borders and identities as if they shouldn't exist. Borders and categories are an inextricable and inevitable fact of reality. Peoples have identities. I appreciate your comment about the clown in the middle of the two fighting tribes but did you guys ever consider whether some things worth fighting and dying for? If the answer is yes, then it's not a surprise people will die for their family, kin and tribe. We are not all the same. We worship different Gods. You were speaking of the importance of mythology earlier in the conversation. But then you seem to suggest nationalism is a threat? I agree nationalism in its modern form is manufactured. But the nation is a real thing, and loyalty to it will preserve your people. Your country of Ireland survived centuries of brutal English colonialism only to cuck in the 20th century to the post-WW2 neoliberal order which has now flooded your island, as it has flooded my country (Canada) with legions of brown third worlders. But it's okay with you lefties, I suppose, since all this division is unnecessary and we need to come together and take care of Nature. Yes, we do need to care for nature! Clean the rivers, preserve the forests, stop the monoculture - all sensible - then you make the leap to "Climate Change" - abstract, distant, only existing because the corporations keep the messaging going. I have no doubt that climates change over time. But the current doomsday narrative is told by people so disgusting and removed from the common man that they no longer trust what they are hearing. I believe the climate change narrative that the world is ending is mostly a deception, but even if it were true, there is zero percent trust between the peasant class and the elites. Professor John Pauley is clearly right about a lot of the things he studies, but he seems to be trapped in a bubble that prevents him from understanding the common man in America.

@freethinkersilver2581

23 күн бұрын

And a post script: When we hear in 2024, of the "racism" of Americans (which we implicitly know to be White), we no longer care. That word might have still been effective in 2014 but now it is just a a word that means "bad guy".

@Philosopheckery

21 күн бұрын

Thank you very much for that comment. I don't agree that borders and categories are an inextricable and inevitable fact of reality.. they belong to the human consciousness. If there was no language using humans then there would be no borders or categories. Yes Ireland suffered under colonialism for 800 years, or so the songs tell us. However, Ireland was not a nation before that. Rather a land of tribes and many kings. The Ireland we have today was formed by it's opposition to English rule, with the hell of our own immigrants in US. Nations and identities are most often formed by an idea of what they are not, rather than a positive idea about what they are.. In the 1980's Ireland was considered a third world country. The Irish were the third worlders, the poor, the needy, the drunkards, scrappers, do all the crap jobbers. Now we have a successful economy (for some).. of course we have empathy for people suffering economic hardship, environmental impact causing famine (we had a big one of those), civil war and foreign powers. I'm not sure the brownness of a person's skin should even be part of the conversation.. as Irish we travelled the world and had the lick of being white, we also all spoke English and were politically adept from dealing with our nasty neighbours.. of the Irish were brown it may have been a different story, because of how we would have been treated, not because we would have been less worthy of helping.. I agree neo liberalism is a terrible way for humanity to act in the world.. it's uber competitive and incentivised destruction of the rest of nature is horrendous.. I agree there is a lot of doomsayers that are really often just trying to sell some nonsense green plastic solution.. however simple common sense and some research should help you find that we really have poisoned the oceans and rivers, destroyed the land with chemicals, and thrown out of balance the systems which have provided us with everything we have..

@Philosopheckery

21 күн бұрын

If you'd like to come on the podcast we could discuss our views and maybe enlighten each other.

@danielhutchinson6604

20 күн бұрын

Trump was unable to alter Eastern European Policy while in Office. Why would He do differently now? The effort to overcome Russia was supposedly strong enough in 2021 as NATO presented their mini Operation Barbarossa in Poland and Romania. Russia responded to the threat in the following months. after 8 years of NATO violating Russians in Ukraine with US provided ordinance, Putin Responded. Those who witness Eastern European current events over the last 20 years seem to notice.

@danielhutchinson6604

20 күн бұрын

@@Philosopheckery Russians donated industrial Donbas regions to Kyiv in 1921. The number of Russians who remained after millions sought work in Russia, was still considerable. The Russian Border west of Artemivsk was one indication of aggressive trends as Kyiv renamed the City Bachmut after they were allowed to appoint names. The Citizens appeared to be less than appreciative? East of the Dnipro the amount of Russian heritage individuals was supposedly a majority. The numbers of Russians in Ukraine may indicate one reason that the Bandera crowd is doing badly? I assume Victoria Nuland did not think Her War on Russia through, before spending over $30 trillion?