I met Peter at a car dealership at a meet and greet after he left KISS. He was autographing glossies of the Out of Control album cover, but no one there had bought it. Everyone was there to meet him without his makeup, I gave him a photo of my KISS tribute band and he thought it was a KISS photo, and signed it and gave it back.

@metaphoria3

5 ай бұрын

Woulda been nice to buy it from him

I was working with Brian Wilson for a studio session (I want to be very respectful about this), and he had a therapist on call 24/7 (common knowledge). Sessions would start and stop quite a bit. So when it comes to Paul Stanley supposedly calling a therapist a lot, or maybe not a lot, I think it's totally 100% cool to have that outlet. It's a personal choice that has to be respected. But as with Kiss, there are several stories of therapists turned manager. It's very tricky business. Interesting to hear Chris talk about it. Thanks guys.

@davidaroberts3175

Ай бұрын

It's weird, but considering Paul was floating the band and Gene was off doing Mr Hollywood, it seems logical you want someone you can trust.

I worked as a photo editor on a KISS project in 2008. At the time, I was head of licensing and photo editing at a large photo agency in Hollywood. Long story short, a guy with the initials KS, took our hi-res images, used them and never paid the license. I worked on/with at least a hundred bands and never got screwed. Only with KS.The reason I care? I never got my commision or credit due. And Im a Huge KISS fan/nerd from way back. Its a shame. You guys are doing a GREAT JOB! Love the show! Cheers!

Lendt is so well spoken. I loved his book, and have read it several times.

Can you imagine the things Chris saw, that he can NEVER talk about, while with KISS????

Another great show guys. Thanks. I probably dont comment enough, but I do appreciate the effort you put into this and look forward to the show each week. Thanks.

@REALTOROLOGY

9 жыл бұрын

Aaron Wright No need to fell like you have to comment, glad you are with us

wow i have that book sitting in a bin, and its in great shape...

I have read Chris' book several times, a brilliant view at least into all the music business. And I met him personally, really a fine guy who exactly knows what he's talking about.

Legendary interview with the amazing Chris Lendt. All Kiss fans should read 'Kiss and Sell' asap!

I love this show. It's all I've been watching the last few days. Keep up the good work fellas. Very entertaining and informative.

Really cool interview this week!!!

Great episode, been listening since ep. 1 and it just gets better and better.

Amazing. I'm reading his Book "kiss and Sell" these days and I love all that minutia

Another great show...we always hear about business stuff from Gene so its always nice to get another perspective of the business side of KISS. I got Chris' book when I was 13 when it first came out and couldn't fully appreciate it at the time but now it's a great read and really interesting to go through and I highly recommend it to any KISS fan

All i can say is you guys are great. You tell it like it is. I like all versions of the band! Keep up the good work!

Regarding attendance averages; On page 134 of Lendt's book the idea of doing what they had done before, playing smaller gigs to fill in dates and hit everywhere they could, was shot down. They were not going with a B show. The Love Gun show by comparison was a "B show". I am not that surprised that the Destroyer tour averaged higher than Love Gun. In '76 the played Anaheim Stadium to 43,000 vs whatever the total amount of 3 LA Forum shows had. An interesting stat that I doubt could be known now is how did all tours compare to the reunion tour in terms of how long it took to sell tickets. I remember being 15th in line when the MSG shows went on sale. By the time it was my turn the first show was sold out and the best seats for the 2nd show were upper levels. Thankfully I began dating a chick that worked at Polygram and got seats for 2 other shows. Best ex ever. Lendt's book is great. Thanks for getting him on again.

What a great show. Thank you guys so much. Love to hear about how we get details regarding Ace & Peter leaving the band. Looking forward to the next episode and Love Gun Deluxe. Keep it up!

"Buy on"......I never would have imagined that....but it makes sense

another great show you guys...as always it was very informative and entertaining!! Thank you guys for the show!

Great episode ,sorry haven't been around lately but life has kept me busy....I have always loved the details just as much as the picture of this great band.I always loved that you guys get great guests and remember the last time you had Chris n..very interesting Thanx for the show

@kissvidking

9 жыл бұрын

psykodj67 Thanks! Means a lot! (Mark)

Great interview with Chris again cheers

They have Kiss and Sell on Amazon used for 4.96. Not bad at all. Great book. Read it when it first came out. Chris is a good guest.

I forgot how funny the intro to this episode was!

Just started to watch this episode, Love all the topics and the show. My only complaint is, Mike, please turn up your Microphone. Lol. I seen many post this and its true. I have to adjust the volume throughout your shows. Other than that, Keep up the Great work guys.

i Would love to know the attendance numbers for the 1980 Australian tour....KISS were huge at that time over here

@kissvidking

9 жыл бұрын

antropes Believe it or not...some of the shows did not sell out! (Mark)

@antropes1375

9 жыл бұрын

Kissvidking thanks for the reply Mark......i checked up on the net and found some figures but not sure they are correct...but it said for the 1980 melbourne show said only a few of the 35,000 tickets were left.....they did play at a 75000 seat stadium call VFL park which has since been turned into park land and apartments

Another great episode, guys. I can't wait to see your show from Vegas, especially if you stand in line to see Gene. This could be very interesting...

It seems that some KISS fans have a difficult time grasping just what cultural has-beens the band was from Unmasked until probably Animalize (the first album release I noticed that any kids at my high school cared about, even if they were just a few kids wearing dirty denim jackets). No one loved KISS, and no one hated KISS. It was really complete and utter indifference to the fact that they still existed at all. When hair metal exploded, that's all that saved them from the dustbin, I think.

@EmWarEl

7 жыл бұрын

***** Great point about the 90s bands being willing to name KISS as an influence. Very true.

Grover Jackson suggested Mark Norton to Paul Stanley. I think they kinda made that decision a little too quick.

For Gene to blame a decrease in ticket sales on 'oil and the arabs' in 'Grooves' magazine is incorrect on a number of levels. It wasn't the Arab nations who were behind the huge increase in the price of oil but Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and the Imperial Nation of Iran. Pahlavi was ethnically Persian and he add the agreement of Nixon and Kissinger. Gene's beliefs seem to hint at a little prejudice towards Arabs peoples which he hasn't exactly hidden in some interviews. You can read the book 'The Oil Kings' by Andrew Scott Cooper if you want to know about the oil politics of the mid to late '70s. It's both entertaining and very informative. It isn't guided by personal opinion either....

What was the best tour from the late 1970's? I know they sold out 2 and 3 tours in the late 70's in Atlanta. I went to them and they were full house shows.

I Took your advice and tuned out.

Mike B, Mark and Tommy. Regarding the earnings the band made in the seventies (around 39:00) the songwriters make money by playing their material live through Ascap. (American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers is a performing rights organization which licenses and collects royalties for performance). A huge deal of the money made is through this. Even though Simmons and Stanley wrote most of the stuff, I think they divided that post equally.

Kiss and Sell is absolutely THE playbook for what NOT to do if you are in a band.....

Wouldn't the very first KISS tour that they ever headlined be the least attended? Seeing as how they were still a new band and building their initial fan base? Just wondering.

@MichaelBrandvold

9 жыл бұрын

Yes, we mentioned that when posting the attendance numbers.

I would love to hear you guys talk about why KISS doesn't play less dates, but at larger venues (football stadiums), like the Roling Stones and U2 does.

@MichaelBrandvold

2 жыл бұрын

Easy, because they can’t sell out stadiums.

@bluewhye8832

11 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelBrandvoldReally? You don't think they can't sell out stadiums.

@MichaelBrandvold

11 ай бұрын

@@bluewhye8832 not in the US.

@zippymufo9765

7 ай бұрын

​@@bluewhye8832They haven't sold out a stadium since 1996, and that was because of the excitement of an entire generation who remembered the classic "makeup KISS" from their childhoods but never got to see them live. After that 1996 Reunion Tour the ticket demand went down.

For those of us who failed math; the formula for average is =(average) (Excel)

@REALTOROLOGY

9 жыл бұрын

Frank Patek LOL

Is it true KISS sold 10 million records between 1982 and 1995? Not sure how to verify that figure over their multiple releases in THAT era....

If you haven’t read Kiss and Sell you have no clue about the reality of Kiss vs. rumor and often repeated inaccuracies. A must read if you are into kiss.

The best connection Mark has ever had. :D

Listening Mark bring up Hurricane (I know this has nothing to do with KISS or the show but bear with me) makes me remember a story about them. After my parents got divorced, she managed a restaurant, and during a phone call she said she met these guys that came in. She had told me something like "they look like those long haired rocker guys you listen too. But I can't remember their name" About 6 months ago, I'm doing some housecleaning for her and found a Polaroid of her and Hurricane and a signed company letterhead. I just kept thinking "My mother. I buy the albums and this happens to her!!"

@sammithomas3011

9 жыл бұрын

That doesn't surprise me! ;)

@kissvidking

9 жыл бұрын

Austin L. Campbell Cool story...

Took 47 min to get there..

@MichaelBrandvold

3 жыл бұрын

So?

Isn't it funny that pro athletes salary contracts are very much publicized but, when a fan asked Bruce Kulick about his salary in 1995, he just said, it's none of your business. We later found out Ace and Peter were getting $50,000 a show for the reunion tour then of course we all found our Peter was getting $10,000 less per night than Ace on the farewell tour according to him. I would think Eric and Bruce were very well compensated as time went on for their work ethic and loyalty. Bill Aucoin had an entire floor of a high rise in Manhattan. That was an expensive deal. Throwing extravagant parties and charging them to the band, a thing pretty common in those days. Van Halen were furious when Warner Brothers and managers did that.

I've listened to about half of your podcasts and for the most part enjoy them. I have to say that when you (Michael) consistently spit out "...well KISS fans think..." this or that, I certainly hope that you are including yourselves in that (overused) comment. Otherwise, it comes off as very condescending at the very least. Otherwise, you guys find very cools guest and do a nice job of asking interesting questions. Peace!~

touring was invented to promote the new lp

Rochester, N.Y. Jan 20th 1982 Paul Stanleys' birthday. 1/2 of War Memorial Auditorium curtained off.

Great show as usual guys. Really loving the addition of Mark. Very interesting stuff. Cheers

Would you offer $200 if a listener can prove that Vinnie Vincent saved KISS? Btw - enjoy your show guys, please keep it up

Hey 3 Sides, if a rookie comes up in September and has 85 At Bats and gets 45 hits he does indeed have a .529 average...he doesn't win the batting title though because he didn't have a commensurate amount of at bats to the rest of the league...this argument is like that to a point, you said the discrepancy between the 40th anniversary tour and the reunion tour was 103 v 192...the fact that they got 89 more dates indicates 'more popularity' in some way. I think that's what you're sorta driving at here. Again though, if on the 40th tour they were playing bigger venues they may have played to a similar amount of fans with less shows. Taking mean averages here isn't exactly fair in the statistical sense. I enjoy your show a lot.

they move the stage and always have around here in the places they could,Some shows would be full seating or 3/4 seating or half seating.Some just don't keep up with that or understand what goes on,in the arenas and shows they have seen.

I like the idea of doing the solo albums on the Kruise, but I think all 4 is asking a bit much. Just do all of Ace's album with Eric singing.

I agree with Mark...

to be fair, even by 89 the alternative revolution was starting to murmur and the 70s generation in those bands were starting to acknowledge Kiss as an influence, fully coming to fruition with the Grunge guys. In 86, they were just not cool. Same thing happened with Iron Maiden. 1995 they were playing CLUBS and by 1999 they were reuniting with Bruce and Adrian because the climate had changed by then

Great episode! I love , love , love the guest episodes. Chris Lendt is a wealth of information but he always sound a little bored and sleepy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------Gene has spent decades misinterpreting KISS wealth and drawing power. He has been doing it to great effect in the press as far back as the 1970s. Gene was spouting off about KISS being as popular as The Stones during the Dynasty tour. I think that is why so many confused fans spam up your Facebook page with crazy nonfactual comments. Some fans really believe all the hype about KISS' amazing drawing power from back in the day. In the 1970s Zeppelin sold more than seventy thousand seats to the Silverdome in a matter of hours. KISS never did singular shows like that in America , not during the 70s , not during the reunion tour , not now. They were never in that league. Gene and Paul should be paying you guys extra for all the drama .It's all their fault Kisstards are blasting you with mental comments. They must really believe the Love Gun tour was the biggest of the big. KISS are gonna show us how the big boys do it........

@REALTOROLOGY

9 жыл бұрын

BentBrent69 LOL, All great points.

I really dig having Mark's musician perspective on the show now. Great job, Mark! Another great interview with Chris. Excellent. This show made me think about something: I wish somehow we could do the math and add up all the net income Peter and Ace earned with Kiss. Then we could look at the percentage they have left as an example of what not to do financially as a musician. Young musicians need to know about this stuff. I suspect neither Ace or Peter would have no interest in Kiss or badmouthing them if they had invested their money wisely. Just sayin...

@kissvidking

9 жыл бұрын

Ken May Thanks Ken! I greatly appreciate that! (Mark)

@kenamay

9 жыл бұрын

Kissvidking Well Mark, I'm almost 47. I fell in love with Kiss in 3rd grade, ended up playing drums in the Detroit Hard Rock / Metal circuit from the 80's til 2013. Then I moved up north near Cadillac. But I heard you talking about the old Ritz, Blondies, Harpo's The Token, and I've played all those places multiple times over the years. Small world. Keep up the good work, and thanks for your time and sharing your awesome collection with us!!! Peace

LOVE THE SHOW ! Thanks for bringing my friend Mark onto the lineup.

Great show fellas...Love getting lost in the world of Kiss every once in awhile. This is hard core geek stuff, impossible to be disappointed with. While the post Creatures versions of Kiss hold no interest for me whatsoever, there's nothing like an in depth look at the hottest band in the land.

Now KISS is accepted by the rock establishment.

It kills me how folks put KISS down that that they were/are has-beens and should just give it up. I've been a fan since I walked by our local record store in our little downtown and saw KISS Alive in the window and picked it up strictly because I thought it looked cool. Granted it was 1975 and I was 12 years old but what a day that was, they were my first concert in 1977 on the KISS Alive II tour (saw Rush Hemiphere's just a few months later) and was just blown away. I was a die-hard fan until about '81 but that was reborn when they dropped the makeup in '83 and thought they adapted well in the 80's and 90's. I've seen them numerous times in the 70's, 80's, 90's and into the 2000's and they've always put on a great show. I never worry about those that don't get them or put them down, I don't define what I listen to by what others like and it was actually a badge of honor walking around with my KISS Army patch on in school before they really broke big. I'll always be a die-hard fan and love your show guys. My brother and I are heading out to the KISS convention in May in Indianapolis and my brother is also buying a Vault from Gene in a few weeks in Chicago, maybe we'll run into you guys!! Rock on and keep the show going!!

Look..they needed a guitarist! Basically made a call and said send me the best..shows they (Paul) wasn't looking at the long term, so there definitely was no "plan"

There was talk around 1989 90 of a reunion with Ace only keeping Eric Carr according to Ace. Ace suggested they do a big show and put it out on video tape. He had someone in the room chiming in while he was on the phone with Gene and Gene got tired of this guy throwing his suggestions in and hung up.

Great episode Michael, Mark & Tommy. Your civility & humor is 1st class. Your comments regarding KISS fans, especially those exclusively of the original 4 & no other version of KISS, appears to me to be quite accurate unfortunately. Some people would argue about the time of day or anything else according to their opinion (& because it's their opinion is truth). I'm so glad that 3 Sides Of The Coin reveals not just your opinions but give us figures & facts rather than conceited nonsense that far too many people dish up. Some people ought to go & pull out a dictionary & understand what the correct meaning of the words that pour out of their mouths & not some digital opinion or meaningless 'truth' they pull out their used tissue. Great stuff 3 Sides Of The Coin. Absolutely enjoyable KISS discussions. Keep up the solid work. Luv it.

People get so worked up about concert numbers. We are all KISS fans(hard to tell from some comments) I hope they keep drawing enough to keep the band touring! Another great show fellas!

This might be apples and oranges (slightly), but Jethro Tull, in a ten-year period, '71-'81, sold Madison Square Garden out more times than Kiss did during their entire career. These are straight numbers and not doctored in anyway.

Chris Lendt was with KISS for many years and I am sure he has much insight and knowledge of his time spent with the band. However, I rarely hear or see his name mentioned by any of the band members or others associated with the band. I take Chris's knowledge as limited to what his perceptions were.

Low level bands make money and mid level bands make minimal ., big level bands make the bank

I love Kiss. And I love in this line-up. I Just wish that Paul would sound like the 90's. I don't care about Gene. He's just a cartoon.

dressed to kill is when they started filling arenas and that made them decideto do alive1

Very very cool episode! Btw I got a B for the paper! so here I go again wasting time... ;)

@REALTOROLOGY

9 жыл бұрын

seaba89 B is respectable

@kissvidking

9 жыл бұрын

seaba89 A "B" is good but c'mon, I expect "A"'s! Go seaba! Go! (Mark)

@seaba89

9 жыл бұрын

Kissvidking haha maybe if I quit watching you guys! ;)

I like all eras.I believe the only reason the numbers were not high on the 10th Anniversary tour is probably because a good amount of the old school fans didn't like the new era of the band and KISS was not really drawing in too many new fans of the band back then.It was there first tour of the US in 4 years.KISS had lost some of there fans being away so long and not touring here and releasing to what most KISS fans thought were not great albums at the time.I believe the fans that showed up for the Creatures tour were some hardcore fans and some hardcore fans like me,who never got to see the band in the 70's(for whatever reason) and was finally getting to see the band live finally.

@REALTOROLOGY

9 жыл бұрын

Rockforevermusic I would agree with that assessment. But many fans did not know Ace had left

@Rockforevermusic

9 жыл бұрын

Tom Sommers if they were not paying attention,yea they would not of known,but I knew Ace was not in the band and I am just your average rocker who tried to keep up by reading Rock mags back then.It was the only way to find out about Rock News back then.

@pitcommander6668

9 жыл бұрын

i went to the creatures tour and almost didn't because i did not like unmasked or the elder and did not know creatures kicked ass til i bought it the day after the concert,just like seeing and hearing priest for the first time on the dynasty tour and was in awe of them and have been one of my favorite bands since i was blown away and just mesmerized by wendy o williams,i was the same way with the revenge album, since i hated crazy nights and hot in the shade i did not buy revenge until after the concert, i did know ace was not with them any more

the alive 35 tour they played in the arenas and this past tour they are playing the outside amphitheaters so smaller venues with def leppers,let alone the tours 10 years ago with aerosmith i did not stay for aerosmtih and did not go in until poison was over and did not go in until def lepard was over and i am sure it was the same in a lot of the cities,the asylum tour they came here twice, the first time with black and blue and the stage was in the middle and then they came back to a smaller venue later in the year with wasp and it was pretty much full, they have not had a good opening band since animalize with queensryche, now look at all the people complaining about tommy for the last 10 years and how ace and peter should still be getting paid more money and aces new album being the best selling album of any kiss member outside of kiss but ace is playing holes in the wall in the new york area and texas and the texas tickets are half the price as the new york shows so if all these ace fan idiots were supporting him like they should be he would be playing halls as big as kiss is

@pitcommander6668

9 жыл бұрын

mistersister707 that was wasps second album which was not great,i actually saw wasp twice for their first album, once headlining and then with maiden on the power slave tour which both were awesome

@kissvidking

9 жыл бұрын

pit commander666 I never saw KISS with WASP but I have seen WASP many times and my band opened for them too. I have an incredible WASP story that I hope to share on the show one day. Blackie did an incredible thing for me...and it's a story I think ALL fans of rock and roll will dig-(Mark)

Originals only fans are obnoxious. They'd rather Kiss had died in a plane crash after Peter was fired than acknowledge anything after Ace left, but they still hang on to the records Peter's face was on, but didn't even play on.

No offense to anyone, but I've always felt this would work better with just Michael. He has a nice, engaging voice and personality. This would be better if he was the only host.

@CelestialWoodway

6 жыл бұрын

No it would get boring.

Why are there so many ignorant people who watch your show who have stupid theories, can't accept facts and just hate your show to hate. I wish you guys wouldn't pay so much attention to them. There are plenty who enjoy your show but you only give the "haters" attention.

@MichaelBrandvold

9 жыл бұрын

We talk about ALL KISS fans not just haters. But, we will always call them out for their lies, that is the only way you can stop. Ignoring them won't make them go away.

@REALTOROLOGY

9 жыл бұрын

alexdynasty Mike is right. They have to be confronted or they just hang around. You along with many other listeners will benefit from this, just trust us.

this interview is lame. Chris lendt is captain obvious.

Kiss...the greatest backstories in rock history Van Halen is right behind them Followed by the Eagles