did not expect this video to be this informative, thank you!. I'm definite going to keep watching

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah I'm sure most thought I was going to talk about how low they extend. 😁

I use my towers as surrounds built into cabinetry raised and tilted towards my favorite seat. I love it.

damn, never thought about the towers and their crossover points affecting the vocals like that. you broke that down so that most folks can understand it. Currently watching your series to setup my 5.2 system (all klipsch bookshelf and two RSL subs). I have learned a lot from you. one of your viewers comments was about how the A/V receiver thinks the subs are a mile away and you said, that’s normal... don’t mess with it. made me feel better as it set mine three times as far as my others still diving into the REW and auto EQ. videos trying to comprehend. Really need the miniDSP tho to go full speed ahead. That’s next on the agenda. Thank you for taking the time out for producing all your videos. You are a subject matter expert. 👍🏻

Awesome info. Thank you.

Fantastic video!

@hometheatergurus

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Very informative video. Thanks so much. What are your thoughts on using towers as front wides?

Whoever died and made this guy a guru.... THANK YOU for dying. Best new Home Theater Channel for 2019.

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

That's too funny.. 🤣 I wasn't born knowing this stuff, I learned it too. Just trying to do my part and stop the snake oil from being spread and help people get it right! But damn that made me laugh. 😂

First off I want to thank you for what you are doing on your channel. I have learned more in the past 2 weeks of watching your videos then i have in the past 6 years. So I am looking to upgrade my front sound stage. Right now I have klipsch r-28f towers and a klipsch rp-450c center channel. My debate is to either get rp-600m bookshelf for my mains, keep the center so the tweeters all match and the 1000hz range closer to ear level or... sell them all and get 3-3way towers with a crossover closer to that vocal range but I'm not sure what speakers to go with. My price range is $2000-2500. Any help would be great.

I've got pair of Polk Monitor 70's for my front speakers and I'm adding a pair of Polk XT20's for my surrounds for now, when I have funds I might add a center.

Hi Mr Guru, Is it okay to do center channel in wall speaker 🔊 ie Klipsch THX 8000s with The L/R Klipsch 8000F Tower Speaker. The reason why I ask b/c you are able to toe-in the Towers Speakers vs toe-in of the L/R in wall speakers 🔊. As Always Thanks 😊 for your KZread content. Congratulations 🍾 on your New Theater.👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽

I didn’t see the need for big mains and ran 6.5 bookshelves with 88db sensitivity. However my father bought a 4.1 JBL EON Pro setup with eon 615 with 15” woofers and pro amps and horn tweeters. HOLY MOTHER OF DYNAMICS. Even at the same calibrated volume those big boys have explosive range, it was quite the eye opener. I’m not discounting the difference the sub makes, but proper (read, overkill) headroom above 80hz makes a pretty big difference in my new experience.

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

That's another video. This one is about vocal range and placement.

The good thing about towers is you get more headroom and smoother bass response when crossing over even at 80hz. The AVR has a -24dB/octave slope so knowing the towers can hit that low (say 30 or 40hz) on their own at -3dB means they are very capable for good output and integration with the separate subwoofer.

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

We should always measure the response of the crossover point to see how it looks. You'd be surprised how well a sub crossed to a speaker that is tuned to even 60/70 hz can look on measurements especially with boundary gain.

Hi I heard about home theater will handle the bass and then you said you prefer floorstanding in the living room. What is your opinion on the home theater at the living room area which have 2 sub? Is it overkill to have floorstander or focus on quality bookshelf?

Loving the cahnnel Steve, only gripe (if you can call it that) so far it is very much concentrated on the audio side of home theatre, how bout some more content about the picture side? Some JVC Autocal tutorial would be perfect thanks haha. 😇

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

That would be the blind leading the blind..😄. I'm an audio guy. Video is cut and dry and I always loved the science and challenges of the acoustic side.

@STAiNLESS_CORE

4 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus yer I understand there is HEAPS more to discuss about audio, and you absolutely know your audio stuff, but the video side is far from cut and dry. But yer, people are rutheless if you say something they dont agree with haha

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

@@STAiNLESS_CORE I guess what I mean you pick the video technology you want and call a guy to calibrate your video and it's done in an hour. Audio is where the work and knowledge come into play and where so many fail. That said I'm sure I'll eventually get some guests on the channel to get deep into the video tech side as i know some extremely knowledgeable guys on the video side.

What about size of speakers in large rooms? Air displacement, can a bookshelf be enough

Amazing explanation! Thank you for the info! Since it's 2020 black friday period, I'm considering Klipsch tower speakers (love the looks of them). What do you think about R-820F vs R-620F?

@hometheatergurus

3 жыл бұрын

Be careful with that brand. They have some decent stuff and some not so good stuff. This is the best non biased site I know of showing the issues and he also fixes them. kzread.info/head/PLv9fK2dmpIVbf15IoSoW8CR95e_8H3Smu

@imip.1252

3 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus Nice one! Unfortunately he doesn't have a video about the R-820F's :(

@hometheatergurus

3 жыл бұрын

@@imip.1252 If your wanting good budget stuff I'd look into something like Elac.

I'm using AT screen. Can bookshelves fill my 4000cuft theater room with loud undistorted sound? I'm planning to use bookshelf speakers as my LCR.

My question to you is, is having a 7 channel system that includes 7 towers around the box overkill?

Hey man svs prime towers or ultra bookself are better speaker sound quality? Please little help

I changed my klipsch floorstanders with upgraded 2.5way crossovers to bring the acoustic center up to just between the tweeter and upper woofer. Lower woofer only plays 400&below. If I had to do it again, I would go DIY. I will go DIY eventually, and because I upgraded a lot on these mains, I'd imagine they would be better utilized as my side surrounds. I'm not sure i would want to sell them, as I just put $600 in crossover parts, damping, bracing, etc into my rp6000s&rp504c. They sound incredible now though, but it really was a poor design

So with my JBL 590 fronts looks like I am better off getting four JBL 530 as sides and rears instead of 580 for rears and 530 for sides as I had plan. Agree?

Anyone - I have 7.2.2 Atmos set up with all Klipsch. I got new Anthem Avm 70 that allows Front wide speakers. Is it worth buying and doing Front wides? Thinking of getting some used cheap Klipsch but not sure if Bookshelf vs Tower - worth it or not?

Hey man please little help svs pb2000 pro or klipsch r115 is better sub or spl150 vs pb2000 pro i want your honest advice and opinion 🙏🙏🙏 waiting unswer

Great video .... need advice is it worth going towers the same as my fronts or bookshelves from the same line of speakers as I have room for both ... ok have read where people use towers say there great and others say overkill ,.. I don't know which way to go to Finnish it off ...

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

So you need mains and you're not sure if you should go towers or bookshelves?

@shaneshane723

4 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus .. thanks for reply .. I have front ..left..centre..right speakers in place.... just don't know which way to go for back surround .. towers or bookshelves .. would towers be overkill ...I have room for both types of these speakers ... what would you recommend as best option thanks ....

Fantastic videos! I used to think I knew a lot about the hobby, and I suppose those of us who watch your videos know far more than the average person, but you cut through a lot of misconceptions like a hot knife through butter. So many pro tips in your video series! Thanks for making these! Given episode 18's topic of chest slam and this episode's comparison of bookshelves and towers, would you consider doing a video on crossover points? I believe Brent Butterworth measured my SVS Ultra Towers to be equivalent to decent 12" subwoofers and wonder now about the pros and cons of different crossover points.

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Ep 9 and 10 touch on crossover points. 7 does too near the end. I could just tell you set it for 80 or higher but those really explain why and show you why. I like to know why and see it rather that just being told. I question everything as we all should especially in a hobby full of false information. That's why I try and demonstrate as much as possible. Most of us learn better and it clicks better visually.

@simontse1171

4 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus Thanks for referring me to the videos I need. I ask about a specific crossover video because I'm wondering now - thanks to your videos - whether there's any common sense issues worth discussing specifically, or whether there may be specific exceptions to the rule. It's also a common enough topic that maybe it's worth its own video. Like I said, I have some robust towers, so would a lower crossover point permit better blending with my sub? I only have the one sub, so would different crossover points have different room or modal interactions? Everyone knows a sub is more dynamic than even the best towers in bass, but does one run the risk of outpacing your main speakers at certain crossover points more than others? I'm not expecting you to answer these in a reply, but these are the kinds of questions that would be great to address. That said, you're the expert, and if you believe you've said everything worth discussing about the topic, then I'm sure that's all there is to it. I'll check out those videos soon. And again, because it's worth repeating, you and your content are fantastic. Thanks for doing what you do.

Here are my towers I use for surround and back surround. Is that an issue? (fonts are pretty much the same specs but with 6.5s instead of 5.25 drivers) SPEAKER TYPE 3-way, bass reflex FREQUENCY RESPONSE 42 to 35,000 Hz NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 6 Ω SENSITIVITY 86 dB at 2.83 v/1m CROSSOVER FREQUENCIES 90 Hz / 2,200 Hz MAXIMUM POWER INPUT 140 Watts TWEETER 1-inch cloth dome

I've been using bookshelf speakers for my front. When I eventually get a man cave I will upgrade to some tower speakers. My question is can I use bookshelf speakers as surrounds?

@rand0m918

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

I have Infinity towers and the woofers cross over internally at 80hz. So if I have the subs handling 80hz and below, my towers woofers do absolutely nothing. Seems like a waste?

Hi great video, I have the RP 600m paired with the RP-504C on a Denon 3300w with SVS Sb2000 sub( Mini Dsp Eq) with surrounds and front heights. I currently only use a single sub as there is only one sweet spot i care about. I have created my own curve on Audyssey to bring more boost in the bass the front stage. When i have the speakers at 80hz the bass is good but when I have at 40hz its to my ears even better, it's a lot tighter and less bloated and more detail. I have tried multiple different setups as i know i should be crossing them a lot higher, but at the same time my ears are telling me otherwise. My sub has a really good flat response to 120hz with some dips occuring after that I didn't correct measured through REW. The only way 80hz is somewhat better is when I turn off Audyssey completely and increase the bass in tone control. Perhaps trying your Sub EQ curve on episode 7 rather than flat might yield better results and forgetting about Audyssey altogether. I would like to know your thoughts on Audyssey and the target curves they use, I feel like they make my klipsch underperform, also any suggestions would be welcome, I was also looking to upgrade to the Onkyo TXRZ840 or even going with a Diarc Receiver instead, but something tells me I not going to solve the issue with a new receiver. Thanks in advance Jim

@CrimsonJR83

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds like Dynamic EQ is disabled. Make sure it's ON and set the Reference Level Offset to "0". This will boost the low-end that you're missing when Audyssey on.

@jimmy2shoes75

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrimsonJR83 Thanks for the reply, ya I've tried Dynamic Eq on different offsets including 0. The thing about Dynamic EQ is that is boosts all the other speakers too at lower volumes and set to "0" sounds too bloated compared to Audyssey being off. I tried "-15" for a while but I feel it's more of what Audyssey is doing to the speakers. I going to try having no correction on Audyssey using the Multi EQ App to see if that would make a difference

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't swap AVRs. I'd suspect you have negative summation at the crossover point when at 80hz and its not as bad when you drop down to 40hz. Measure with REW like we did in episode 7 or at a minimum follow ep 10 and see what it looks like. If you have a dip at or around the crossover adjust sub distance in the avr for best response.

@jimmy2shoes75

4 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus Hi thanks for the reply, So I went back to the basics deleting all profiles, and starting fresh, and went on a Tweak Binge😂, Currently I have all speakers crossed at 90hz and with a small increase in sub distance the graphs are looking a lot better and more importantly it sounds good too, I'm going to leave it at this for a few weeks for now, I might go dual subs down the road as my room is irregular and would probably help even out the bass even more, thanks for the help 👍

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmy2shoes75 awesome. Glad it helped!

Ok so i shouldnt feel guilty that i bought MA bronze 2 bookshelfs to acompany my woofer instead of MA bronze 6 towers?

This is one of the reasons why MK sound dont have woofers for LCR. These are one of if not the beat home theater speakers you can buy for cinema. Those S150/S300 are impressive.

@taxi615

4 жыл бұрын

They also do audio very well. You do need to have the money for them great things don't come cheap.

How did you select the name of your channel...? Guru is a Hindi word...

I like this one. I do wonder though, I have 7 towers, my front stage are 40" tall 2 ways (dual 12s, compression horn), my surround sides are 3-ways dual 10, 6.5" mid, compression tweeter, and my rears are 3-ways as well. My towers are all elevated. My surround sides are lifted roughly 12 to 15 inches off of the ground, my rears are about 36 inches off of the ground (my second row is elevated). I can see the point of bookshelves but I just don't think, in terms of SPL, that a bookshelf is keeping up with a comparable tower. Or am I looking at it all wrong. There aren't many bookshelves with 2 10s, a 6.5" mid and tweeter or a side-firing 8, dual 7" mids and compression tweeters. I've paid super close attention so far and have my crossovers at 80Hz, but even with that, 80Hz has to hit WAY harder in my towers than any bookshelf can dream of doing. When I was running full range on my towers (before my Steveducation) it was no contest, a bookshelf simply can't hit 28Hz (great when listening to music) like a tower can. I guess I wrote all of that to say, while I see why bookshelves can prove preferable and why the award winning home theaters use them, towers simply have more drivers and more area moving more air. They can generally take more watts to give more output across more drivers. When it comes to breath taking sound, more is more, no? Thoughts?

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

This is strictly home theater where we cross to subs. When that's done the subs will always sound better if they're properly setup and it's the only way to get a similar seat to seat response. When crossed to subs we don't need the mains to move that air. As seen in the chest kick video the demand in the mains is minimal even when cranked. Other videos covered that. This one is really about how the handling of vocals and ease of placement differs.

@budgetaudiophile6048

4 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus I know you're right! HAHA! My theater is absolutely INSANE right now because I listen to your advice. I just feel like, even at 90Hz or 100Hz, that a 12" cone is going to do a better job than a 6.5" one. That's just me thinking out loud, though.

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

@@budgetaudiophile6048 if you can produce 90hz cleanly ar your levels with an 8 inch driver...what's a 12 inch gonna do different? 90hz at a given output doesn't change with the driver. You can either hit the level needed cleanly or you can't. Remember I've had mains with dual 15s in them at one time. Then I got smart and started learning more about the acoustics and quit following fads and learned about high end room acoustics. Did i ever tell you about the time a buddy snuck a small JBL 305 into a get together where they were blind testing 1099 and JTR and other heavy hitters? The guys were blindly picking this little 305 . Not cranked to high levels of course but good levels while judging for overall quality sound and sound stage. But I get it. It's hard to get over the bigger is better mindset. Now with subs where they're asked to move lots of air it's different but at these frequencies it's not the case. Keep in mind a speaker meant for a huge cinema is designer for that huge cinema. Now look at your room. Output needs are light years less.

Very informative videos. I have one question, will it be a good idea to put klipsch rc64 iii center as LCR?

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You mean use 3 of them as lcr?

@jonesgeorge1990

4 жыл бұрын

Home Theater Gurus yes

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonesgeorge1990 no definitely don't do that. Horizontal centers have issues off axis which we will later cover. If you need some mains and want to stay with klipch look at the rp line or rf 7.

@jonesgeorge1990

4 жыл бұрын

Home Theater Gurus I don’t want to put towers as my main speakers. I need powerful bookshelf speaker as an alternative to towers. So I thought rc64iii might do that.

@jonesgeorge1990

4 жыл бұрын

Home Theater Gurus I don’t want to put towers as my main speakers. I need powerful bookshelf speaker as an alternative to towers. So I thought rc64iii might do that.

Cara memperbaiki kualitas suara speaker...centre...agar..datangnya..suara vocal...betul betul....dari tengah..thanks 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

How long until the next video drops?

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

A few hours.. ;)

Looks like I screwed up I use Klipsch RP 6000 towers for my sides and rears

@hometheatergurus

4 жыл бұрын

If I could list all the mistakes I've made and money I've blown on this hobby.. Haha. Don't feel bad you're not alone.. 😉

@JDuBz815

3 жыл бұрын

Just make risers for the surround towers if you like them.

Take a vodka shot everytime he says you know

Hi

Dude you know a lot about speakers and home theater but you are craazy critical. You actually think that your feet reclined make that much of a difference in your speaker sound? Thats nuts! Thats why i said it before, you need a ONE man home theater for yourself ; )

@hometheatergurus

3 жыл бұрын

What can I say I'm after perfection. Many of us have families and friends that also enjoy our rooms so we need to pay attention to more than one seat. If you only care about one seat than thats cool too. Make as few compromises as possible. Sometimes we have to make them but it's important to understand them when we do. This hobby is too expensive to not learn the compromises. But of course you can choose to just rock on and ignore them.

Yo, wtf is that intro sound?!

@hometheatergurus

3 жыл бұрын

😁... It's pink noise. The sound your avr outputs during speaker level adjustments.

@SeekoGT

3 жыл бұрын

@@hometheatergurus ahhhhh!

So if I am sitting 8-9' from my towers am I to close and need bookshelves? Thank for all the great info!

@hometheatergurus

2 жыл бұрын

Towers are great as long as aren't blocking drivers with reclined feet, seat backs etc. Especially the drivers that are producing vocals.