As a never-mo historian and an avid listener of ex- and prog-Mo content who is currently finishing a master's degree in cultural heritage protection, it makes me so angry to hear that the church has built a temple next to a UNESCO World Heritage site that is already endangered. They seem to have absolutely no regard for the protection of ancient sites and it is infuriating... And not just the church's but also the government's disregard for the protection of these incredible ancient, one-of-a-kind sites is just awful. Thanks for talking about this topic!

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your perspective! I'm not sure people understand how awful this is to endanger and disrespect a site like this.. Very sad..

This is so sad. I wish, really wish, that the national news would jump on these temple stories and all of the deceit that goes into building them.

I feel my heart ache over the sadness that is being felt by so many people all for DEAD people and handshakes. I am so grateful Rebecca you and Landon are peeling back the veil to show the layers of lies , power and money. This is not my church.😢😢

@paulamortensen36

Ай бұрын

Temple ordinance are not just for the dead

This is the most depressing temple episode yet. The world needs to know about these horrific practices.

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

As they said at the end of the GI Joe cartoons, “Knowing is half the battle”! Thanks for the comment.

I love your "Temple Series" R & L, Jason is very eloquent and intriguing..I can't wait to read his book, please have him back soon! Great Episode!

Great episode!

How fitting that the temple has spanish colonial architectural style.

The UK High Court has ruled that road expansion can't take place adjacent to Stone Henge because it will bi-sect a area of historical importance. The LDS church would build a temple right next to the standing stones given half the chance. (This episode made me really sad).

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

If you look at Doug Vincent's temple pictures on the Mormonish FB page, he has one of a temple by Stonehenge! Scary to think they would probably have no problem actually doing that!

@debbieshrubb1222

2 ай бұрын

@@mormonishpodcast1036 additionally acres of land around Stonehenge are continually yielding archeological information. It's ridiculous to say the sights around the Peruvian temples yielded nothing.

1:14:57 I really like Landon’s point. This would be akin to the Mormon church trying to build a temple next to a US Native American cultural site (e.g. Chaco Canyon, Acoma Pueblo, or Taos Pueblo) or National Park/Monument (e.g. Zion, Bryce, Capitol Reef). To the Mormon church, local, state, and national protections are irrelevant because in their mind, the temple supersedes anything nonbelievers want to do with the land. 1:15:40 one would think that if someone was going to build a house of worship were these temples are built now, the Catholic Church would have done so when the native population was subjugated by Spanish colonizers and padres in the 1500s. There are examples of the Catholic Church building missions, chapels, churches, and cathedrals in the Pueblos and elsewhere throughout the Americas, but they generally didn’t build those over existing cultural sites. The arrogance of the Mormon church in building these temples next to or on local cultural sites reinforces the nonbeliever perspective that Mormons are aggressively working to impose their unproven beliefs regarding indigenous history of the Americas on everybody.

4 minutes and 50 second in Landon made me laugh so hard that I cramped my cheeks. Anyways, great insights and hopefully you can get hold of a Filipino LDS/ExMo/NuancedMo who is informed about temple building and whatnot since temple building here is like that Oprah's "you all get cars" moment.

I was just saying "Zarahemla" when you did [of the UNESCO- protected monument]! Lots of opportunity for "sowing and reaping," if you catch the drift. And don't be surprised ...

Plus NO ONE will use it but Temple recommend paying Mormons!!!! It is not an open church or school!!

1:10:21 Colin-izer

Thanks!

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!!! You're awesome! We really appreciate this!

…I need an adult beverage to continue listening to this very sad and same old story.

@luckydog7226

2 ай бұрын

Make mine an Irish Coffee. If you are going to “apostate” then go all the way😂

@suedemers8631

2 ай бұрын

@@luckydog7226 I am a never Mormon, but I my son and his family are Mormon. He dated a Mormon in high school…My mother’s side of family (Dunbar) are all Scottish and were all raised Presbyterian, as I was.

@rmj4978

2 ай бұрын

Count me in! I need a couple of drinks after this podcast! This is sad… how to reconcile all this info!!???

Nothing shocks me anymore

@jenlebel617

2 ай бұрын

I just messaged my sister-in-law, who’s watching along as well, to express that I feel like I have shock fatigue - there’s just too much shady business done by the church.

1:01:50 Russel Marion Nelson in the voice of Palpatine: “I will make it legal.”

I’m a non-Mormon who grew up in Mexico but some of this really pissed me off for some reason, after reading the BoM I got the impression that this church basically teaches that my ancestors were cursed with dark skin (and I was told in another video that that’s still the case but they’re trying to get around it) and then they have the audacity to build these things in impoverished areas and near archaeological areas! What surprised me was how cozy the archbishop was with the church, growing up I had the impression that Mexican Catholics didn’t like Mormons at all (and Protestants in general) so I wonder if he got paid quite a handsome amount to get all of a sudden cozy with them. I was wondering at one point why he doesn’t just convert if he likes Mormons so much but then I remembered that he might end up losing all of the privileges the Catholic Church has given him if he does so.

@paulamortensen36

Ай бұрын

That so called curse doesn’t include Mexicans

I notify or not it's up to you.. your free.

I feel so war torn psychologically because it always feels like Goliath is winning. Landon & Rebecca, please tell me this isn’t true.

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

We don’t need a David to bring down this Goliath! Goliath’s behavior will bring down Goliath. We just need to make sure people see how Goliath behaves!

@oliveoilchic

2 ай бұрын

I live in a rural area with no temple within 50 miles one way and a few hundred miles in any other direction. And it breaks my heart that they will find a way to out one of their great and spacious bindings in the middle of my paradise.

Maybe, just maybe it’s because “there’s” something coming….. that the “church” knows say combining about the ancestry of “natives” and LDS and tribes gathering from many continents….DNA is amazing…. So is patriarchal lineages …… Mines wonderful…. Time will tell…. I know I know my DNA is lit.

Just a reminder: don't forget that the second "m" is always silent.

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

The Book of Moron? That is very offensive.

@hrh4961

2 ай бұрын

@@mormonishpodcast1036But you know its totally true.

In order stop people from serving “false gods”… let’s build a temple next a beautiful creation important for local people. The Arequipa temple looks so out of place and knowing the background story, makes me feel so sad. I wish the church had more common sense, integrity and respect for other cultures. I wasn’t aware of this case…Thanks Mormonish you do a wonderful job ❤

Hey Kalypso Media this is an ideal scenario for the Tropico video games: have one of Jonathan Streeter's apostle caricature appear and offer millions of dollars and illegally fixing an election to build a temple (Crystal Palace) right inside a UN archeological site, as the project progresses your rating with the intellectual, religious, environmental and communist parties. The intellectual party always gets bent out of shape due to religion getting special treatment, religious is bent out of shape due to the site being closed to anyone coming to worship at the site except for wealthy American tourists, environmental is mad because the Americans are polluting and littering, and the communist party is mad because no local workers were aloud to participate in the construction. Many European countries stop funding because of the flagrant disrespect for the UN archeological site. Also Kalypso Media needs to make a game called Deseret. Make the game just like Tropico but set during the settling of Utah. Include plenty of scenarios including giving the first nation/Lamanite peoples flour with glass mixed in, Mountain Meadows Massacre, bribing the US government with soldiers for fighting the Spanish American war for the privilege's to squat on first nation land, polygamy raids, Danite killings, etc.

The Smithfield Utah temple construction workers get homemade cookies from the wards. Cookies make the indoctrination more palatable.😂😂

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

You can buy anything in this world…with cookies!

So much insinuation WOW You keep saying “I am assuming…”

@jasoncharlespalmer

2 ай бұрын

Correct. It is all assumption. However, when you overlap this with many other temple stories, a pattern emerges. It becomes less and less likely a coincidence and more and more likely that church leadership used unethical tactics to get temples built.

@mormonishpodcast1036

2 ай бұрын

That’s because we are assuming…if only the church was transparent so people could know!

@TalismanianDevil

2 ай бұрын

You do know that the Masonic blood oaths in Mormonism curse your family right? Jesus tore the veil of Judaism on the cross and clearly told us to abandon all Levitical temple rituals and priesthoods in the Epistle to the Hebrews. Mormons claim to be Christian, but do everything Jesus told us NOT to do.

@paysonstudios

2 ай бұрын

IT'S A MIRACLE! Never underestimate the power of the almighty dollar!

@Marianne-px1bk

2 ай бұрын

@@paysonstudios are they saying the mayor lied? Interview her now

You know, all this "miracle" business is smelling like rotting mackerel. And it reads a very great deal like the "signs and wonders" attributed to "the BEAST" in The Revelation of St. John. [NO irony AT ALL in this statement. Completely serious.]. 👽👽👽 Yes, sir!! IT IS INDEED Z I O N I S M. Just as intended from the Dartmouth get-go. Now we've said it OUT LOUD. 🪳🤢🪳🤢 [Still, Thank you, all three. 🌹]