Entire Bomber Squadron Slaughtered in 20 Minutes?

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This is the story of B-24 Georgette and the rest of the 859th Bomb Squadron of the 492nd Bomb Group during the maximum effort raid of July 7th 1944. This tells the story of how their entire squadron was shot down in a matter of minutes. This was made using the World War II flight simulator War Thunder - Download free here: playwt.link/tj3 Hope you enjoy! Please like, comment, and subscribe. #WW2 #WWIIHistory #WarThunder
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  • @TJ3
    @TJ3Ай бұрын

    Join Letters From War and read Captain Jaques' letter today! tj3history.shop/products/lfw

  • @reicherosterreicher3486

    @reicherosterreicher3486

    Ай бұрын

    @TJ3 Why do you use a map of Germany in the borders of 1990??? That realy makes no sense !!!!

  • @schoolofrockcary6625
    @schoolofrockcary6625Ай бұрын

    My grandfather served in this unit. His aircraft was shot down on a mission over Kiel. The surviving airmen of the 492nd used to get together each year (I believe they've all passed away now?) An AMAZING group of men

  • @kimomgaming5778

    @kimomgaming5778

    Ай бұрын

    being a gunner is nothing easy especially trying to get ot a damaged airplane

  • @rickcentore2801

    @rickcentore2801

    Ай бұрын

    You grandfather was either on the Munson or Abernethy crew. The Kiel mission number was 45 and was flown on July, 6, 1944. If you have not already done so, check out the group's website. It's a wealth of information.

  • @davefellhoelter1343

    @davefellhoelter1343

    Ай бұрын

    Grampa Roy was there, mostly B 17's OG! EWO? "I think". Pa pa Paul was Battle of the Atlantinc Cat's, or PBY's, EWO most likely, then NASA RIP! Greatest! I Miss You! ya' All YA"LL!!

  • @verbal_DK

    @verbal_DK

    2 күн бұрын

    so, your grandfather was "hero" (read:terrorist) who bombed and mass murdered women and children?... not exactly something to be proud of.

  • @rafalganowicz1939
    @rafalganowicz1939Ай бұрын

    It is really great to have an actual person narrating instead of some fake AI voice. Thanks TJ3!!

  • @northwestprof60

    @northwestprof60

    3 күн бұрын

    you better watch more closely......

  • @nledaig

    @nledaig

    21 сағат бұрын

    Hmm. He says "reik" instead of "reich". There's a fair amount of AI footage. That bores me.

  • @rickcentore2801
    @rickcentore2801Ай бұрын

    This was an outstanding depiction of the Bern-berg mission. My father was a flight engineer in the 492nd BG. On June 20th, 1944 mission to Politz, the 856th Bomb Squadron put up 12 aircraft. One turned around with engine problems. All the other eleven were shot down. (One made it to Sweden.) They were taken out by ME-410s. The 492nd was the only group to be disbanded due to excessive losses. In 66 missions they lost 55 Liberators. Of those, 34 were lost on just three of those missions. (Brunswick 8, Politz 14, Bernberg 12) Thank you for telling their story.

  • @almartin4
    @almartin4Ай бұрын

    That sounds very similar to our family history: My father, John Allan Martin, enlisted in the Army Air Corps (1942), age 18, and served as a gunner and radio operator on B-17s and B-24s. He was assigned to the 8th Air Force in England and flew 35 combat missions over Europe. Including one shown as "SECRET" on his papers. According to him, later while watching “12 O’clock High” on TV, he thought that it was very well done and he liked the show. He did say that instead of the large letter “A” in the show their planes carried a large letter “P” there. He was in the 387th Bombardment Squadron of 487th Bombardment Group. The records for many crew members were lost during a fire at Fort Benjamin Harrison. His brother, age 20, was a Navy aviator flying in the Pacific area: his plane was shot down . The bad news was wired to the family, who were surprised three months later when he walked in the front door in his Navy uniform. My father had left the service at the end of the war and worked as a TV/Radio engineer. He was called back to duty for the Korean conflict but didn’t have to deploy; and stayed with the new US Air Force. He retired in 1968 after 26 years of active duty and died in 1976. His brother also passed in 2005. Both brothers are buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Regards

  • @lil2nerdy645
    @lil2nerdy645Ай бұрын

    Once again awesome content TJ and this is probably my first time seeing depictions of the ME 410 outside of generic War Thunder vids. Also belated RIP to Bud Anderson. Godspeed Old Crow 🫡

  • @williamallen63
    @williamallen6315 күн бұрын

    Col Jaques was at Barth Germany in the same Stalag Luft I my Uncle Gordon was. HEwas shot down on 24 Feb 44 on a mission to Gotha. All three ships in his block were shot down. He was the CP in Schlossberg crew and all survived. He was captured by farmers and threaten with hanging in Erfurt GE but saved by the local police. He was beaten at Frankfurt am main on his way to Barth. The stalag was liberated on 15 Apr 45 by the Russians. The Battle of Gotha was featured in a couple of 8th AFs films and the 392nd was awarded the Distinguished Unit Citation. I always love your content. I'm a retired USAF Historian, both enlisted and civilian, and have seen volumes of the documents you feature when I worked and the USAF Historical Reasearch Agency. My job was to write those kind of unit histories for current wings and other units.

  • @raymondyee2008
    @raymondyee2008Ай бұрын

    That’s one story of the B-24s that I didn’t know of.

  • @chrisw8417
    @chrisw8417Ай бұрын

    Have you heard of the Kassel mission? It was the worst AF loss of a group in one mission just a couple of months after this. Also a B-24 group. Good job with this story and great visuals.

  • @nickmitsialis

    @nickmitsialis

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah, didn't the Group run afoul of an attack by multiple sturmgruppen (IV/JG3, II/JG4, and perhaps II/JG300)?

  • @chrisw8417

    @chrisw8417

    Ай бұрын

    @@nickmitsialis yes the group was attacked by 100-150 EA. JG 300 I, Sturmgruppe II, JG 4 Sturmgruppe II and JG 3 IV Sturmgruppe. There might have been others but these were the ones that had KIAs. All happened in about 5 minutes.

  • @papalegba6796

    @papalegba6796

    17 күн бұрын

    B24 was a very vulnerable design structurally. Should not have been approved for daylight raids. British Halifax bomber another Deathtrap, totally inadequate. Heavy bombers were very new technology, many mistakes were made in their introduction, arguably all 4 engine bombers were flawed by design.

  • @TJ3
    @TJ3Ай бұрын

    Historical notes: First off - very few of these aircraft have surviving photos. The only one with photos of the nose art I believe Super Wolf. Georgette, I'll be Around, BO II, and Oonie Doonie had only names. So I took the liberty to recreate their nose art. Then - Steneman and Jack's crews had no photos, nor names. Thanks everyone!

  • @nomadpi1

    @nomadpi1

    Ай бұрын

    You contaminatde the source. That's arrogant and unprofessional behavior.

  • @TJ3

    @TJ3

    Ай бұрын

    @@nomadpi1 What are you talking about?

  • @artawhirler

    @artawhirler

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for telling us!

  • @user-wx8nq9xh1p

    @user-wx8nq9xh1p

    Ай бұрын

    ​​@@nomadpi1shut up dude you don't know how hard TJ3 tried to find such information and you are a history hater so go womp womp.

  • @user-wx8nq9xh1p

    @user-wx8nq9xh1p

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@TJ3don't feel bad there a number of people that likes to assault or insult history channels and @nomadpi1 is one of them so ignore his insults.

  • @aidenbrennan7871
    @aidenbrennan787127 күн бұрын

    The 859th were based at North Pickenham in Norfolk, the airfield is 1 mile from my house. It has had a turkey farm there for many years and in recent years wind turbines have been installed, these turbines are visible from my back garden. To watch these huge turbines gently turning on what was once a bomber base, almost seems like a silent tribute to those who flew from there.

  • @carycoller3140
    @carycoller3140Ай бұрын

    The more I listen to these stories the more depressed and angry I become at the fact that the people who made the decisions, like sending these men on a trip without escort, never suffered any consequences for their f-cked up decisions.

  • @papalegba6796

    @papalegba6796

    17 күн бұрын

    My family has a ton of connections to WW2 RAF bomber command, apparently when the Americans first turned up their crews were totally misinformed as to what they were up against, as well as the quality of their equipment. Unescorted daylight bombing was disastrous when we tried it, but the American pilots had been convinced their planes, guns & bomb sights were so superior to ours it would be easy. We were just glad to have the support cos we were in a losing battle at the time & desperate, but our more experienced pilots knew they were in for a hard wake up call.

  • @None-zc5vg

    @None-zc5vg

    5 күн бұрын

    B24s were death-traps , carrying fuel in the centre-fuselage that would incinerate most of the plane's crew in seconds if ignited

  • @johnsondylan7515
    @johnsondylan75158 күн бұрын

    Whoa!! My Grandfather was Andrew Jackson he was the bombardier on Bo II !! He was a POW in a Germany. My dad was shocked when he found this video, then he showed it to me. So much detail in this video.

  • @scottessery100
    @scottessery100Ай бұрын

    The number of bomber crews lost in ww2 is awful Roughly between 1943 and 1945 the USAAF lost 8,000 heavy bombers-each of which typically carried ten crewmen-in combat during the strategic bombing campaign over Europe.

  • @doomhippie6673

    @doomhippie6673

    Ай бұрын

    About 500 000 civilians were killed in the bombing.

  • @Jagshemasher

    @Jagshemasher

    Ай бұрын

    @@doomhippie6673 - yep - shit happens when people don't oppose an evil regime. Sew the wind, reap the whirlwind. Give me a second while I shed a tear - probably about as long as the Germans gave to the Polish, Czecks and others that they rode roughshod over - okay second over.

  • @DL-hh1cq

    @DL-hh1cq

    Ай бұрын

    So what.

  • @jeffreyhagelin3672

    @jeffreyhagelin3672

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@DL-hh1cqGet lost.

  • @PAS_2020

    @PAS_2020

    Ай бұрын

    @@doomhippie6673 the civilians should’ve voted differently. They get another chance in 2024!🤣🤣🤣

  • @TimoDaKeed
    @TimoDaKeedАй бұрын

    It's quite insane on how much human lives were taken away in the matter of minutes

  • @christosvoskresye

    @christosvoskresye

    Ай бұрын

    And it's ironic, given the fact that they were trying to air-drop food and medicine.

  • @ronpartainxrp

    @ronpartainxrp

    Ай бұрын

    @@christosvoskresye hahahaha touché… love the dripping sarcasm! Delicious.

  • @norberthofer5830

    @norberthofer5830

    Ай бұрын

    There are no winners in war.

  • @guaporeturns9472

    @guaporeturns9472

    Ай бұрын

    Check out the first day of The Battle of The Somme😱

  • @Grant80

    @Grant80

    Ай бұрын

    @@guaporeturns9472that’s the poms for you thry ordered thousands to their deaths

  • @HenryThree
    @HenryThreeАй бұрын

    Don't you hate it when your escort abandons you? I mean I'm already self-conscious enough about having to hire one in the first place...

  • @jprules2578

    @jprules2578

    29 күн бұрын

    Yeah, never mention recent doctor visits, and carry breath mints.

  • @chrishoman3928

    @chrishoman3928

    28 күн бұрын

    Lmmfao

  • @conradnelson5283

    @conradnelson5283

    10 күн бұрын

    Ikr

  • @JGCR59
    @JGCR5919 күн бұрын

    It's Bernburg not Bernberg. Bernberg is in Westphalia while Bernburg is in Saxony-Anhalt

  • @nomadpi1
    @nomadpi1Ай бұрын

    Re: "enemy planes shot down...' "Kill' claims were vastly over stated by returning Allied bomber crews. The only way to determine "kill" claims is to search German records to see what type, how many, place and date to be correct in reading Allied AARs kill-claims. My father was a crew chief on a B-24 called "Smooth Sue,"

  • @patm111

    @patm111

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed. I believe a good example is the raid on Schweinfurt, where I believe the overclaiming was something like 15 or 20 to 1. It's somewhat understandable of how this could happen given the chaos of aerial combat that existed with likely numerous machine guns from the same and adjacent planes firing at the same fighter plane. However, I'm sure it wasn't nearly as easy to hit an incoming fighter coming in at several hundred miles per hour as it is portrayed in movies, especially head on when the closing speed is even higher.

  • @stewartmillen7708

    @stewartmillen7708

    6 күн бұрын

    No. German records are also inaccurate. The Germans only admitted to a fighter loss in Reich defense only if its pilot was killed (from postwar interviews with Luftwaffe officers done by the Americans). Those officers also said that American estimates of German fighters shot down by bomber gunners (the adjusted claims, not the raw) were very close to actual losses. So...4 to 6 actual losses for 10-15 claimed is about right. How the Luftwaffe hid their losses that didn't result in a pilot death was was likely classifying it as a 'noncombat' loss. Almost half of Luftwaffe fighter losses were supposedly due noncombat causes, which should raise eyebrows (yes, air forces do lose planes due to noncombat reasons, but by comparison the 8th lost 12% of its heavy bombers that way, not almost half). Interestingly enough, some scholars say the US air force pulled the same paperwork trick in Korea, and that the exchange ratio between F-86s and MiG-15s was far closer to 1:1 instead of the 8:1 or 10:1 claimed.

  • @billyray8062
    @billyray8062Ай бұрын

    TJ3 you do an outstanding job on your videos!!

  • @markpaul-ym5wg
    @markpaul-ym5wgАй бұрын

    A lot of crews could not get out because of the G force,which kept them pinned in the aircraft while it was spinning to the earth.

  • @mgweible8162
    @mgweible8162Ай бұрын

    An awesome TJ3 video to make today great! Thanks for the great content and all the hard work to bring it to us with such high quality. Stay awesome TJ

  • @rob7633
    @rob7633Ай бұрын

    It's great that you can find this, When I try to find my dad records when he faught in chosen korea, they tell me records were lost in the fire. I'm seeing alot of people saying the same thing.

  • @jllucci

    @jllucci

    Ай бұрын

    Yes it true in '73. If you know your dad's unit it might be possible roughly rebuild where he was through mentions in the company records. Doing so can and will get expensive.

  • @SNP-1999
    @SNP-1999Ай бұрын

    Compared to the B17 Flying Fortress, the B24 Liberator had a bad reputation for catching fire and exploding, despite being an overall rugged aircraft that could take quite a beating before being shot down.

  • @nickmitsialis

    @nickmitsialis

    Ай бұрын

    Not just that but even though a Liberator had longer range and better bomb load, it was VERY hard to fly in tight formation (this per Donald Caldwell, an American WW2 Aviation Historian); while a B17, once trimmed could literally 'fly itself' in formation, a "24" had to be controlled at all times by the pilots, which got very fatiguing; as such, Liberator formations tended to drift apart during missions--and well all know that poor formations always attracted the Luftwaffe fighters. It's also said that the the B24's best altitude was also the FW 190's best altitude, but I'm not entirely sure if that's true or not.

  • @SNP-1999

    @SNP-1999

    Ай бұрын

    @@nickmitsialis Well said and very informative - thanks very much for your insights.

  • @nickmitsialis

    @nickmitsialis

    Ай бұрын

    @@SNP-1999 All thanks to Don Caldwell's superlative histories.

  • @michaelmazowiecki9195

    @michaelmazowiecki9195

    29 күн бұрын

    Over 42% of all Liberators were destroyed in crashes and combat, the worst stats of WW2.

  • @marklongway1906
    @marklongway190629 күн бұрын

    Enjoy you work. I have been watching your videos for a few years now. Unfortunately I knew a bit about this mission from family history. My grandmother’s first husband was a member of “I’ll Be Around “. He was one of the crew that didn’t make it off the plane as it went down. Thanks for telling part of their story.

  • @JUNKERS488
    @JUNKERS488Ай бұрын

    It's always a great day when you see a new TJ Video. Still batting 1000 TJ. you have become a master of your craft. Thanks for all your hard work and amazing research BTW: When I started this post you had 2782 views and in this short time it changed to 2875 views so I guess I'm not the only one who loves your videos. LOl. Please Keep 'em Flyin. We got your six. Have a great week end TJ.

  • @LMyrski
    @LMyrskiАй бұрын

    The German troops or perhaps novice home guard may have mistook the crews for paratroops. It was generally not their practice to shoot aircrew in parachutes, and they were very much appalled at the idea. If you read Scharff's The Interrogator, a German ace, Josef "Pips" Priller, approached Scharff to find out whether some of his men had been intentionally shot in their parachutes. Scharff, known for his effective use of conversational interrogation, came away thinking the Americans could never be so underhanded. As it turned out, Scharff admitted he was wrong. Scharff was friends with many US fighter pilots post war and they told him they received those orders but few followed them. One of which appears to be a certain American ace who there are videos about where he claims he killed a German pilot who had done it. He apparently made the story up, according to his squadron mates, but everyone hears it on youtube, so it must be true. As for beatings, British civilians and home guard were also guilty of this at times, even in London, and sometimes with deadly results. One of the General Erich Manstein's relatives was a flier murdered by Belgian civilians in 1940. I'm not excusing, just saying there were people guilty of this on both sides.

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    Ай бұрын

    Just because everyone hears something does make it true.

  • @ColinFreeman-kh9us
    @ColinFreeman-kh9us29 күн бұрын

    TJ great work as usual. You have a great ability to draw the viewer in to the story, making it very real .

  • @micheldaubigne7629
    @micheldaubigne7629Ай бұрын

    YOUR ART WORK / ANIMATION IS TOP SHELF👍...Some really professional work man ...nice job! ~M

  • @michaelmazowiecki9195
    @michaelmazowiecki919529 күн бұрын

    Over 6,000 of 14,000 B24 Liberators produced during WW2 were lost in combat and accidents. Those are the worst stats for US produced bombers.

  • @americanpatriot2422
    @americanpatriot2422Ай бұрын

    Outstanding video and presentation.

  • @lenyfreeman3807
    @lenyfreeman3807Ай бұрын

    4:06 Interesting the lady Georgette is wearing a Playboy Bunny outfit but the Bunnies did not debut until 1960. What's up with that?

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    Ай бұрын

    It's probably a Vargas Girl.

  • @sergiogregorat1830

    @sergiogregorat1830

    Ай бұрын

    @@neiloflongbeck5705 It's not Vargas' style, the girl looks too human, not like a blow-up doll.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347Ай бұрын

    What a very sad day for 859th Bomb Squadron.......Thanks Trent for all of your amazing research in making TJ3 History excellent WW2 video videos....... Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸

  • @TJ3

    @TJ3

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for your continued support Shoe!

  • @arthurrobertsoniii6073
    @arthurrobertsoniii60736 күн бұрын

    I am really sad that the producer of this video flubbed his job. B-24Ds are shown here. They were outdated by this date. Nose turreted model Hs, like that of my dad, were in action in '44.

  • @gibson617ajg
    @gibson617ajgАй бұрын

    The CGI in this video is superb.

  • @BullGator-kd6ge

    @BullGator-kd6ge

    Ай бұрын

    Appears to be from the video game War Thunder

  • @Bugsworth
    @BugsworthАй бұрын

    Good naration but sorry i had to hit stop cus the music is too loud and distracting. Any chance of a re post without the din please?!

  • @JAEUFM
    @JAEUFMАй бұрын

    Seems like most other 'disasters' that happen. Just a series of small mistakes, that on their own, would amount to nothing, but, put all together, are catastrophic.

  • @TurboMountTV
    @TurboMountTV24 күн бұрын

    B-24 doesn't seem nearly as resilient as B-17

  • @jeffreywright4656
    @jeffreywright4656Ай бұрын

    "One night after D-Day, July 7th" - Really??

  • @josefhorndl3469

    @josefhorndl3469

    Ай бұрын

    At about 0:50 he said: "It is one month after D-Day, July 7th of 1944"!

  • @davezemba9109

    @davezemba9109

    Ай бұрын

    The calendar he shows in the beginning is also wrong. July 7th was a Friday not Saturday.

  • @Springbok295
    @Springbok295Ай бұрын

    Are those B-24Js?

  • @troygroomes104
    @troygroomes104Ай бұрын

    To bad i know of 1 worse mission for bomber crews , the biggest raids for the b-17's before d-day lost 5 whole squadrons during the Swinefurt & Reganburg raids of 1942 or 1943

  • @1168PJ

    @1168PJ

    Ай бұрын

    Those were the raids in August and October 1943. In the first one they lost 60 B17s. That's 600 men. The second one in October was equally bad.

  • @jimreilly9749
    @jimreilly9749Ай бұрын

    Great watch but I didn't know Buddy Holly was still alive.

  • @LancelotChan
    @LancelotChanАй бұрын

    Which was the plane that got crashed by the ghost bomber from the other group?

  • @filippopulitano-kk6gu

    @filippopulitano-kk6gu

    Ай бұрын

    That plane wasn’t part of the 859th so we cannot know.

  • @SS-rz1oc
    @SS-rz1ocАй бұрын

    Do you have a crew list of names on each plane? Specifically the I’ll be Around?

  • @grahamlowe7388
    @grahamlowe7388Ай бұрын

    the luftwaffe was supposedly beaten by june 44. who had them there unescorted should have faced a court martial.

  • @mylinbirguelles1032
    @mylinbirguelles1032Ай бұрын

    Great work again TJ3 HISTORY ,sad sad very sad for those men who gave their lives in the name of freedom and justice,all brave souls gone in a matter of minutes,the whole bomb squadron,these men should be always remembered in the annals of air war of ETO,oh almighty god the father bless their brave souls

  • @TJ3

    @TJ3

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @paulwiggins183
    @paulwiggins183Ай бұрын

    These were D model 24's?

  • @arthurrobertsoniii6073

    @arthurrobertsoniii6073

    6 күн бұрын

    Exactly Paul, my question too. We did not use Ds in '44, they were Hs mostly, maybe so Js too.

  • @Paui-yb2cp
    @Paui-yb2cp2 күн бұрын

    When it goes wrong, it's goes wrong.

  • @davef.2329
    @davef.2329Ай бұрын

    Your presentation, especially the CGI is awesome. Thanks.

  • @michaelnaven213
    @michaelnaven213Ай бұрын

    Flying B-24Ds in 1944? Would not there B-24Hs or Gs or even Js? Just asking.

  • @Rain-uc4ru

    @Rain-uc4ru

    Ай бұрын

    = TJ royally "F&&KED UP" on this one due to showing N.M.F x B.24 D's from North Pickenham They should ALL be B.24 J's or H's etc, but NOT "Birdcage Nosed" D's, nor in "Natural Metal Finish Historically what he's done here is "a howler" (mistake), but his video in my view is SUPERB I have before, pulled up TJ on a previous video he made, with 8th & 15th B.24's in the same formation !! Actually when I pointed out to him that Italy & Norfolk, England B.24's would NEVER be in same formation... He took it really well & even apologised, which I told him was "unnecessary" & most folks wouldn't know I live down the road from North Pickenham (Airfield these crews in TJ's video lived, flew & fought from) Hence my knowledge & high level of interest in the 492nd & 491st B.G's local to me.... This next article might interest you (?) as it's THE Pub on the Airfield boundary where these crews used www.edp24.co.uk/news/24193097.blue-lion-pub-north-pickenham-turned-housing/ When I used to go drinking there (10-15 yrs ago) they had LOADS of memorabilia inside the Pub Another link mentions "BEATRICE LEAH NICHOLS" being THE landlady from 1940-1950... So SHE would be the one (& her husband) serving pints to the USAAF crewmen seen in TJ's video www.norfolkpubs.co.uk/norfolkn/northpickenham/npicbl.htm Back in 2008 my mate Wayne had his birthday at the Pub & "Go Kart" track inside the old B.24 base !!

  • @schoolofrockcary6625

    @schoolofrockcary6625

    Ай бұрын

    ​@Rain-uc4ru My grandfather was a nose gunner in the 492nd, and for the record by this stage of the war they were flying the B-24J series. Great video otherwise!

  • @Rain-uc4ru

    @Rain-uc4ru

    Ай бұрын

    @@schoolofrockcary6625 = Your Grandad no doubt too went drinking Beer down @ "The Blue Lion" Pub (it's the Pub on the edge of the base, in the Norfolk Village of North Pickenham where they were based My favourite North Pickenham B.24 Liberator is the beautiful nose art B.24 named "Ark Angel" Again, another stunner who was sadly shot-down on a later mission.... Her photo's tho' look really fresh, like they taken after 2015

  • @arthurrobertsoniii6073

    @arthurrobertsoniii6073

    6 күн бұрын

    U r right michael. This is all wrong. By '44 we had gone to Hs. I know, dad flew the all Ds in the sates, in '43 and Hs in Italy, 1944. Sad that the illustrator did not do a better 'recon job on this topic. Ruins it for those who know.

  • @Rain-uc4ru

    @Rain-uc4ru

    6 күн бұрын

    @@arthurrobertsoniii6073 = I agree somewhat TJ made an absolute howler in one of his other B.24 videos (earlier) I pulled him up on it, as it showed 15th & 8th AF B.24's in formation That's a joke, as England & Italy are at least 1,370 miles apart** **I'm giving you the mileage between North Pickenham & Foggia He did apologise & at that time, didn't realise his catastrophic error I told him "𝗜𝘁'𝘀 𝗼𝗸, 𝗺𝗼𝘀𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗹𝗸𝘀 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱𝗻'𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗲 𝗶𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗵𝗼𝘄, 𝘀𝗮𝗱𝗹𝘆" You DO have to make allowances when folks make a 2020's video The correct types & variants are not always available at the time. The worst howler is that rubbish HBO series "Masters of the Air" They show FULL 100th B.G formations on a Bombing Raid in 1945 B.17-F's (long since retired), in FAKE "N.M.F" silver over Berlin 1945 Wouldn't happen & NEVER happened - Wrong timeline , totally. Bit like showing a 'Mach.1' Mustang in Steve McQueen film "Bullitt" Or British soldiers @ Waterloo 1815 using mobile phones w/muskets "Masters of the Air" staff got VERY sloppy inaccurate over that one ( I'm told Covid interrupted, then, they got VERY sloppy !! )

  • @clarencesammah5443
    @clarencesammah5443Ай бұрын

    Will it be at all possible to get the writing, memories of the men and women from the then British Caribbean colonies. Who volunteered and fought on behalf of the U.K?

  • @jimholloman4457
    @jimholloman4457Ай бұрын

    Would have been a good video without the extremely loud background music that competes with the dialog.

  • @alfred3844
    @alfred38448 күн бұрын

    It starts with an error: July 7th is NOT 1 day after D-Day.

  • @Steeler-wg5zo
    @Steeler-wg5zoАй бұрын

    poor map of 'former' Germany anyway...

  • @christopheglachet5760
    @christopheglachet5760Ай бұрын

    Le B24 était plus vulnérable et encaissait moins bien les tirs que le B17 pourtant plus ancien de conception..

  • @RaizalAJalil-zc5iu
    @RaizalAJalil-zc5iuАй бұрын

    Always 2 sides to a fight. One side come to bomb. The other side desperately tried to prevent the bombing. But with the same results. Young men and women on both sides die. Family suffered and some will also even die, such as those who were bombed. Not all targets were military.

  • @Edelwulf
    @Edelwulf5 күн бұрын

    Please use maps of the period.

  • @rogercarbonell3696
    @rogercarbonell36963 күн бұрын

    The fighter aircrafts were the defenders, the bombers were the attackers.

  • @falconinflight6235
    @falconinflight6235Ай бұрын

    "Thank you for serving." What, because you didn't have to go to the war???

  • @harbleflarb1087
    @harbleflarb1087Ай бұрын

    did you create an AI voice based off the medal of honor winning b17 gunner?

  • @dontall71
    @dontall7124 күн бұрын

    Awesome video with lots of research involved in making it. It's nice to not have to listen to an AI voice, thanks.

  • @Joe-bx4wn
    @Joe-bx4wnАй бұрын

    Jimmy Stewart was a flight leader. After 20 missions they had to transfer him cause HE WAS LOSING IT.

  • @ottovonbismarck2443

    @ottovonbismarck2443

    13 күн бұрын

    CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow, eeeeh, James Stuart ... He indeed suffered a great deal from PTSD

  • @silentwhale42
    @silentwhale42Ай бұрын

    No closed captions! I’m disappointed.

  • @MrAbhix7
    @MrAbhix728 күн бұрын

    As a pilot if you land in enemy territory your at their mercy in most cases they kill you straight away

  • @BlazingShackles
    @BlazingShackles7 күн бұрын

    WTH is "the like"?

  • @Paulftate
    @PaulftateАй бұрын

    🤘

  • @joelhiltz3329
    @joelhiltz3329Ай бұрын

    Enjoyed the straight forward story telling presentation. Good delivery excellent graphics. Kudos.

  • @Patriot-hz8xk
    @Patriot-hz8xkАй бұрын

    How could the US Army Air Force allow this to happen?

  • @AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq
    @AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq14 күн бұрын

    "" nites "" ???

  • @user-rr1lt1hs5m
    @user-rr1lt1hs5mАй бұрын

    are you trying not to look at the camera...Because it just looks weird. Or people might think your blind. Doesn't look natural.

  • @paul-andrelarose3389
    @paul-andrelarose33896 күн бұрын

    The general Society of today cannot even begin to fathom the courage and sacrifices of those who fought to make possible our current privileged situation. This is made possible by the collective ignorance of History, thus failing to develop the critical mind that is necessary to avoid deception by opportunistic politicians. 2024/07/23. Ontario, Canada.

  • @HerrDocktor23

    @HerrDocktor23

    2 күн бұрын

    Thank you , so true. The news media spews a constant stream of propaganda advancing perversion, crime and globalism

  • @josephinadelamartiniquemin5448
    @josephinadelamartiniquemin5448Ай бұрын

    Those escorts only.abandond you when you don't pay them, cutie?

  • @danny42044
    @danny42044Ай бұрын

    TJ, your content rocks. Thanks for the great vid.

  • @TJ3

    @TJ3

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @peddersoldchap
    @peddersoldchapАй бұрын

    Thank you for not calling the Germans the N-word (the other one), and treating all sides with respect.

  • @hansgruber650

    @hansgruber650

    Ай бұрын

    Their Immigrants played a big role in developing early America.

  • @LEON4PRES
    @LEON4PRES5 күн бұрын

    Europe, you're welcome. Now, GROW SOME BALL'S!!! and take care of your self's.

  • @Tyrone-hq6dr
    @Tyrone-hq6drАй бұрын

    How many lives (Woman and Children ) where saved Hmmm ?

  • @johnberger2851
    @johnberger2851Ай бұрын

    Please note that the map of Europe is incorrect. It shows the post-war borders of Germany and Poland, and NOT the borders that existed during the war. THE PRODUCERS OF THIS POST NEED TO CORRECT THIS ERROR. ASAP, please! LIKE, NOW!

  • @flypawels
    @flypawelsАй бұрын

    👍

  • @kw19193
    @kw19193Ай бұрын

    The number of 'kills' claimed by bomber gunners were ridiculous, they were so over the moon high that the Luftwaffe would have been severely hampered if they were true. The real purpose of the gunners in a bomb group was to break up the ability of the German aircraft to maintain a stable attack run on the bombers. In this they were indeed highly successful - limiting the time fighters had to hit a targeted bomber to a matter of a few seconds. But in the age of Spielberg and KZread the Luftwaffe lost scores of fighters on every single mission, after all, the Americans were near-mythical superheroes, the Germans just a clump of incompetent chumps. Cheers!

  • @raptorhacker599

    @raptorhacker599

    29 күн бұрын

    well the germans barely had flying aircraft after 43.

  • @Andy-co6pn

    @Andy-co6pn

    4 күн бұрын

    I'm sure the exaggerated claims came from multiple gunners shooting at the same aircraft and all claiming the kill

  • @carycoller3140
    @carycoller3140Ай бұрын

    I hate when he says "The Reich" in that horrible way. I cringe every time I hear him say it.

  • @conveyor2
    @conveyor212 күн бұрын

    Using maps with present day borders is just incompetent and misleading.

  • @ValleyProud916
    @ValleyProud916Ай бұрын

    Why does the BF-109 take off carrying a bomb?

  • @marcel5675

    @marcel5675

    4 күн бұрын

    Fuel tank I guess...

  • @TacticalMania-xe1xh
    @TacticalMania-xe1xhАй бұрын

    any where i go it is HOT! you could hear peoples butts melting in the sun! do you know that air fryer noise? just like that! meanwhile our bro right here is in a hoodie and a freagin jacket!!! 😄😆

  • @albertnalut426
    @albertnalut426Ай бұрын

    The map of Germany is false

  • @fahey5719
    @fahey5719Күн бұрын

    Good video but the high intensity music is very annoying and completely opposite to your measured and calm narration. Absolutely destroys focus and intelligibility. Sorry.

  • @ronpartainxrp
    @ronpartainxrpАй бұрын

    Good video, well researched and well done. But watching these videos you do. Knowing these brave men fought and died for a bullshit cause, the cause of furthering worldwide communism, which Germany was trying to stand up against, makes me sick to my stomach. Not saying Germany was innocent, but this war should have strictly been a European war without any American assets deployed. It pains me to see young American lives, snuffed out for no good reason. These men should have lived long and prosperous lives with children and grandchildren, but we’re robbed of that life by fucks who just wanted to enrich themselves further and establish global governance. What was the final result of the aftermath of World War II? The communistic United Nations (American representative Alger Hiss (communist) presiding in San Francisco of its inception), the beginnings of the European Union, the creation of the state of Israel, the World Bank, the CIA, followed by the Eisenhower administration who was grand RINO of all RINOS! Eisenhower destroyed the conservative republican (and Democrat) to the furtherance of communist promulgation in the United States. We see the results today in the form of DEI, inclusivity, cultural Marxism, and so many other negatives. Forgive the rant, not trying to take away from the video, just expressing my frustration of watching 60+ men either lose their lives or become captive as POWs… as they say, all wars are banker wars, or as Smedley Butler said, war is a racket.

  • @willdodd1038

    @willdodd1038

    Ай бұрын

    You sir are obviously UN-dis-and mis informed about the Reasons for our (American/US) DECLARED entry into the whole of the 2nd world war. You would probably just yawn and rollover in bed on the beach at Waikiki Beach Hawaii the morning of Dec 7 1941, or sit and continue mindlessly playing a video game (if one was to be had then) in England’s Channel Islands until One of Germany’s Wehrmacht, kicked in your front door, only to let you live because they had encountered a land version of the worlds first intellectual spineless jellyfish.

  • @willdodd1038

    @willdodd1038

    Ай бұрын

    “The Appeaser” : “the last to be eaten by the lion” W. Churchill.

  • @lowellwhite1603

    @lowellwhite1603

    Ай бұрын

    “Not saying that Germany was innocent “. Really?

  • @Andy-co6pn

    @Andy-co6pn

    4 күн бұрын

    Japan and Germany declared war on the USA

  • @jameswebb4593
    @jameswebb4593Ай бұрын

    Terrible Navigators the Americans , Not a rant from a biased Brit but the truth. Up to 1942 Bomber command couldn't find a target at night , but technology then changed all of that. The same advancements in navigation was used by the 8th . Switzerland received a number of assaults , one by B-24's when the mission target was 125 km to the north. Holland ,Belgium all received bombs from groups hopelessly lost in a bit of cloud. The weather also exposed the worthlessness of the Norden bombsight. After DDay the 8th adopted area bombing ,with only the lead bombardier responsible for dropping the bombs . Another problem was the bombs themselves ,, not powerful enough to totally destroy factories ability to operate again within a short time . The 4000 lb cookies carried by the Lancasters created a huge crater which wiped out everything. The biggest contribution by the 8th was the fighter wings that gained mastery of the skies over Europe.

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