It is dismaying to read the deeply visceral hatred in many of the comments here - the more so because they are from people who call themselves Christians. Have some perspective: take heart, it is I, do not be afraid.

@AntPDC

8 жыл бұрын

+Nova Critter Oh I know, but censorship doesn't appeal.

@happyuk06

8 жыл бұрын

+AntPDC Wake up and take a cold shower. Saintliness is not dumbness. Welby is not a Christian and actively works with the Woolf Institute, a George Soros backed organization that claims Britain is no longer a Christian country. Aside from Welby's grubby links to Soros corporate funding, he is gross hypocrite - a Patron of the Woolf Institute which had commissioned a 'report' saying Britain is not longer a Christian country, yet when he was interviewed for the 'report' he acted as though he was an independent bystander. I don't trust Welby as far as I could throw a piano.

@patrickshaneomarra5162

7 жыл бұрын

Catholics are liberal hypocrites with a global agenda and stopped being Christians years ago. Be prepared to be called what you are and stop whining.

@aahlstrom93

7 жыл бұрын

I'm Orthodox but I kind of agree with the flak this denomination gets. They marry gay people and care more about liberal progressive politics than Tradition of the Apostles. Episcopalianism in USA is almost dead and Anglican show up rate is abyssmal. Something 9%. A heavy price to pay for gay sex, women priests, Qur'an readings in churches, etc. etc.

@jackd4194

6 жыл бұрын

>deeply visceral hatred >people who call themselves Christians. >Have some perspective: take heart, it is I, do not be afraid. Why do you think that people who have legitimate issues & criticisms with non-biblical and non-traditional behavior by Anglicanism and this Primate are "visceral" and ought to be characterized as "hatred"? There is no question that Anglicanism has changed and departed from many of the tenets it once held - shouldn't such change be questioned? Or is only orthodoxy to be questioned? I for one feel these departures are mistakes and are errors. My expression of same isn't "hatred" - or even "deeply visceral"; it is an intellectual statement as a result of questioning the wisdom of these acts and changes. Saying that something is wrong or that one thinks some change or position is an error, and expressing dismay at it is NOT the same thing as "hatred." Although, accusing us of "deeply visceral hatred" is a sure-fire way of dismissing us not taking our objections seriously, or honestly. Just because someone says "...it is I...", claiming to be Jesus, doesn't mean they are Jesus, or even speak in his name. Have some perspective: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

As a Dutch (Reformed) Protestant, I congratulate the Anglican Communion and I wish the new Archbishop and the Church of England the blessing of our God almighty. May this Church be blessed and happy in Christ.

GOD ALMIGHTY BLESS YOU ARCHBISHOP .. NICE SERMON .. I WAS STRENGTHENED ... AMEN AND AMEN ... GOD BLESS THE ANGLICAN CHURCH

I'm not Anglican, but Archbishop Welby is a hero of mine. He is a gifted preacher, and seems very humble.

Beautiful. thank you for the upload!

I'm just here to see a true Christian blessed by God, namely Doctor Robert Williss...we all miss him dearly!

The English For Centuries Have Had The Greatest Choirs ON THE PLANET !!! IN THIS MAGNIFICENT CEREMONY WE SEE THEM RISING TO THE OCCASION ONCE AGAIN !!!...

@SoundtheTrumpet2023

2 жыл бұрын

Felly hefyd y Cymry

@michaelj5168

2 жыл бұрын

That’s great. All form. Where’s the substance

Thanks for posting.

Well I'm Roman Catholic as well indeed, and I love the Pomp and Pageantry of High Church ceremonies, and the music and singing and the Organ, and maybe even Brass Fanfare, fabulous, and these Anglican High Church Ceremonies are fabulous, with the Vestments, the Processions and the Pageantry, and the Music and singing, the Organ, and Brass Fanfare, fabulous, Donie xxx xxx

@adolfoherrera3147

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful but fake

@colinlavelle7806

2 жыл бұрын

This ceremony is not 'High Church' at all. The vestments are very 'Low Church' copes surplices etc and the very ghastly choir garb worn by the CofE bishops, not to mention the preaching scalf and those dreadful gathered sleaves........eeeekkk!!! Not a chausable in sight.

@eugeniomorais7041

Жыл бұрын

@@adolfoherrera3147 , why "fake"?

Thanks very much for posting, btw! Warmest greetings from Germany!

A team members spotted Brexit instigator,you make Jesus so proud.

I ran out of space in my earlier post, but I also wanted to congratulate you on your achievement. Well done indeed!

Makes you think how far we have come in understanding that all are one in Christ.

Thanks Daniel. How stupendously proud I'd have been to be a member of Canterbury Cathedral Choir, even if I'd had the talent, which I didn't - not remotely haha! It's a great shame I couldn't post much of the music you and the rest of the choir sang for this inspiring service - had I done so the BBC would have been very cross with me indeed, I suspect. Warmest wishes and a Happy Easter to you and all at Canterbury - you guys have got a busy schedule of Easter worship I know!

watching 7 years later but message of hope through jesus is fresh He is man of God. I thank father God for Archibishop Justin.

Am a catholic but I have liked the Liturgy looking at it for the first time. May the Lord be blessed.

@regionalmusicheritagecente6108

4 жыл бұрын

As are all Christians.

Beautiful service. The Church of England, Anglicans really know how to do it. Respect for God. Love given to men. For you non believers, try finding perfect human beings, just one. People will always let you down.

@fr.jamesjohnson1567

6 жыл бұрын

Welby needs to learn how to dress! Away with those wretched moderne, circa 1970's Eucharistic vestments the baby boomers seem to love...and can we please have the 1662 Ordinal?

@colinlavelle7806

2 жыл бұрын

@@fr.jamesjohnson1567 They need to do away with that pre reformation choir dress and the gathered sleaves....and the ridiculous designs of their copes and mitres!!! What Justin Welby wore at Harry and Meagan's wedding was ghasly. The sacristan should have said....NO that will not do!!!

this was BEAUTIFUL

Thanks for the info Kirrie.

Thanks for posting. Wish all have a happy Easter. Warmest greetings from Hong Kong! P.M. Tam

I was confirmed by the Archbishop of Burundi of this video's successor. I love that I was confirmed by a bishop not of my province. It emphasizes the universality of the Anglican Church.

Peace, grace and happiness in all your endeavours, and a happy Easter!

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner...

My belated thanks for your kind comments father Fergus, and my warmest wishes to you..

this is an awesome post .. would love to see it complete with all of the music

I kept searching as well, but even BBC has only put up highlights and not the whole thing!

Who was the fabulous trumpeter in the last verse of @How Can It Be'?

I hope that you will overcome your troubles and find happiness and contentment in your life soon. All good wishes to you and your family.

I'm no expert on this, but "The Anglican Journal"reports: "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is always invited to the enthronement of a new Archbishop of Canterbury. She does not attend, however, and instead sends a member of the Royal Family in her place. “She’s invited, but it’s really the Archbishop’s day,” explained the Dean of Canterbury Robert Willis, when asked why the Queen does not attend the historic event"". Hope this clears up any doubt.

Same here. Would love to watch the full video, if possible.

It's understandable that the Queen (as Sovereign and Defender of the Faith) doesn't attend enthronements because the focus would move away from the Archbishop to the Monarch, and thus become a distraction from proceedings which are essentially religious, not secular. As can be seen in this video, on this occasion the Queen was represented by the Prince of Wales, as heir to the throne. Best wishes.

@michaelj5168

2 жыл бұрын

As Head of the church she should be there. But her absence is telling no?

Thank you - I'm ashamed to say I've never visited your wonderful country, and I must set that right very soon! Paschal good wishes.

Please search for Archbishop of Canterbury enthronement BBC highlights. I can't post web addresses!

What kind of people exist in this world.... By critisiging each other will won't make you good Christian ...remember God has never favoured any particular church ....therefore no particular church is good or bad.... Instead we should learn good things what our own particular church teaches us, and love each other respect other equally ...we shouldn't criticise any church ...we all are his children.... Because God lives everyones heart....we all are his sacred temple...do not waste precious time Christ our Lord is coming.... God bless everyone... यीशु सहाय 🙏🙏🙏

Link to the full unedited version?

Very beutiful ceremony, a perferct blend of sobriety and tradition

@colinlavelle7806

2 жыл бұрын

But very reformed and protestant.

Do you have a copy that included the music as well. Thanks from Canada.

God has waited patiently a long time for this moment in time.Helluliaha Helluliaha Helluliaha all PRAISE to God alone.

@25:30 Charles Wesley - And Can It be That Should Gain… beautiful!

Thank you George. The entire service is not accessible across the World, so I thought it best to give precedence to the spiritual (whatever one's calling) lest the entire upload be taken down for reasons of which we are all aware. I'm conscious that this was not a concert.

I would hope that you check with them -- since they live-streamed the whole thing, but at least last I checked, did not archive it anywhere accessible. Perhaps you could do another post of just the music (since that is obviously a passion of yours, even if the choices for this service aren't).

AMEN🙏🏼❤️

Amen om jay ho prabhu jesus

Actually, you're incorrect on this. Her Majesty was in fact unwell leading up to this occasion, so she was represented by the Prince of Wales. I think she would have very much wanted to be there.

Please can you provide the URL where the BBC has "put up highlights"

God Bless you dearest Archbishop and Caroline. You are the best. xo Psalm 105 is yours. xo

Msza święta w Canterbury Catedral jest super. Chciałbym jeszcze do tej katedry pojechać i uczestniczyć w takiej mszy Brytyjskiej jeszcze raz.

@michaelj5168

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not a Mass

@eugeniomorais7041

Жыл бұрын

It's not "mass". Anglican Church there is SERVICE.

I saw an Indian lady in green saree welcoming the archbishop.Long live Indian church,long live christanity

What song is in 0:53?

@thabomotaung8464

3 жыл бұрын

Come down o love divine

Helluliaha Helluliaha all praise to God alone Helluliaha may this special son be protected and covered in the blood of our Saviour Jesus Christ.

I have no complaint about what you said. There are many troubles in the church which must set right, I think. It's an absolute shame it has come to this level of alienation. Thank you for commenting and opening eyes.

We must, however start from where we are

Thanks Bosco. Well, I'm no copyright expert by any means, but in terms of re-broadcasting content, it's to do with the BBC being funded by UK TV license-payers, and other copyright reasons. I do sympathise with your point of view, especially in relation to this kind of programme. Perhaps someone more qualified than I could elucidate?

Has the High Altar in Canterbury Cathedral always been free standing? I see no "old" altar or reredos.

@hectordanielsanchezcobo7713

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@colinlavelle7806

2 жыл бұрын

The original High Atlar would heve been destroyed at the reformation as was the shrine of Thomas A'Becket. Free standing altars were introduced by the protestants and later in catholic churches as part of the reforms of Vatican II.

@michaelj5168

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinlavelle7806 but they still contain saints’ relics in the RC church altars

Although a Baptist I love the pomp and high church padgentry its so beautiful. I'm a little English I guess, not bad

ell said, indeed!

Archbishop looks like a Cross between ‘Liberace and a shepherd .

The QUESTIONS from the lady makes a lot of meaning now that the Archbishop is enchanted by LGBTQI

Thank you, but I think the BBC would be very cross with me had I uploaded the entire service. Best wishes.

@AntPDC

4 жыл бұрын

@Michael John Dennis Likewise Michael. My sister-in-law, a Roman Catholic, had her children baptised in Anglican church. The church in question is of the Anglo-Catholic tradition in the Church of England it has to be said!

I agree - it's a pretty unsatisfactory state of affairs :(

I need your Address to join with you. Will you help me please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Thanks for uploading this to KZread and shame that I completely forgot about the enthronement of new Archbishop of Canterbury on 21 Mar after big fireworks in Rome in the name of St. Francis completely wiped clean my memory. Well, dispute between Rome and Anglican is a minor argument when we all forget about the ancient churches of Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople who once stood firmly next to Rome. And Roman Empire is long gone.

@michaelj5168

2 жыл бұрын

The Church is built on Cephas (Peter). I’m Rome

thanks! Can't get this in Canada without spoofing the IP address. Of course, I would be willing to pay a few bucks to download this legitimately, sigh.

Although the entire ceremony is currently available via BBC iPlayer, copyright and TV-licensing reasons prevent its being made available outside the UK. In this particular case, one wonders why the rules couldn't have been relaxed in recognition of the fact that this event was of deep interest to the worldwide Anglican Communion. Perhaps in future the BBC and the Anglican Church might agree on a more accessible approach to such content, judging by the interest expressed here. Warm wishes.

Yes we must, and set aside the worldly things which distract us.

Thank you for making this video available, and for your intelligent and gracious replies to the various comments. I pray for the love of our Risen Lord ever to thrill, sustain, and empower you.

Also, why at the end of prayers, they say "ah-men" instead of "ey-men" in those churches like the Anglican church, Methodist church, Presbyterian church, Lutheran church, and other Mainline Protestant churches? Just to ask.... Thanks.

@AntPDC

3 жыл бұрын

It's mostly only Americans and Irish Protestants who pronounce amen "ey-men". Not sure why; something to do I think with the Great Vowel Shift. I'm sure some linguistics expert could enlighten us all.

LOL. You know, Christ's entreaty to us all about loving one another has ever been a challenge - and it's easy to see why. Thank you for your Eastertide wishes, and I wish you and yours the same. The weather here stubbornly dissents!

I don't know why I never got around to watching this, it is very interesting. Are you an Anglican? I am a Catholic and have always been intrigued by them. When I was in the UK I got to see the chapel at Kings College Cambridge and watch Evensong at Westminster Abbey. I do like this Archbishop, Rowan Williams was great too!

@CardinalConky

4 жыл бұрын

Marc Cardenas I’m Catholic too

@joshuaabraham3712

4 жыл бұрын

Dear brothers I am a believer in Jesus christ, and I believe salvation is found only in Lord jesus christ not in any denomination. Lets confess our weakness before Lord Jesus and be follower of him. He has broken the wall and torn apart the veil. We are new creation in Lord Jesus. There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call- one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:4‭-‬6 ESV God bless you all

🎶🎶 Theres no business like show business,like no business i know - everything about it is appealing............🎶🎶

I think the word you missed in your comment is "Christian". But I thank you for taking the trouble to comment, and my very best wishes.

Thank you for your comment. Science knows much, but is as yet silent about even fundamental phenomena such as gravity; dark matter - so I'd not myself allow science to circumscribe my entire world view. Warm wishes.

According to some, religion "manages to spoil absolutely everything". To others, religion is the saviour of man. Even a cursory glance at many of the comments here tends to support the former sentiment. Discuss, with dignity, mutual respect, and good manners please.

@jamesbarlow4878

6 жыл бұрын

"He who is in communion with a heretic is himself one." --St. Cyril

While in my opinion, it is a pity that the Church of England is no longer in complete communion either with the Orthodox Church of Constantinople or with the See of Rome, I am happy to see that they continue the old customs and traditions found in the music and the liturgical celebrations in their churches and commend them for it; something that many have found rather lacking in the majority of Roman Catholic churches (particularly in North America), which seems to have forgotten so much of its rich heritage. I also hope that as the servant of Christ, the the Archbishop of Canterbury, along with those in communion with him will continue to commit themselves to the true service of the poorest of the poor and the oppressed throughout the world (including animals).

@metta108

9 жыл бұрын

Nice comment. lol I said nothing wrong, and you......just sad.

@unknownunkniwn1217

6 жыл бұрын

AMEN!

@jamesbarlow4878

6 жыл бұрын

Pure bs

@colinlavelle7806

2 жыл бұрын

The old customs are not continued.....prior to the Protestant Reformation the Archbishop of Caterbury would have been anointed with chrism and a High Mass would have been celebrated.

~💜💜💜~

I'm Rev. D. Devagnanam suresh jayakumar. I need your guidance place, And to join with you in your flock 🌸🙏💮🙏🌸🙏💮🙏🌸

Your middle name is Portal?

Interesting video. I do hope in the reunification of Anglicanism and Rome. Do you mind explaining the ritual a bit? Why did he hit with his crosier the door 3 times to be opened?

@AntPDC

9 жыл бұрын

As I understand it, it is a bit of historical mummery. At the great west door of the cathedral, he is the Archbishop-elect, and is asking permission to enter, as a courtesy, and to perpetuate the idea (to the faithful) that the church by then had any freedom in the matter. The reality is that he is "elected" by the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury Cathedral by command of the Sovereign. King Henry VIII's Reformation made the Church of England an "established" church, bound up by law in the civil polity of the Realm, under the Crown. Happy for others more knowledgeable than I to inform this thread!

@Grmario85

9 жыл бұрын

AntPDC Thank you very much. Are you a clergyman or anglican youth member or something similar? I'm a Roman Catholic from Greece but have been living in England for 7 years since i was a teen. Recently returned but i still got lovely memories from the Anglican church.

@AntPDC

9 жыл бұрын

Grboy85 Thank you Grboy85. I am neither of those things - just a wobbly Christian, baptised and raised in the CofE. I must say I loved the times I have spent in Greece. My best wishes for 2015.

@Grmario85

9 жыл бұрын

Dude that's quite random and offensive. The actual statistics show a lower percentage of paedophiles in the clergy compared to the other professions (teachers etc). You're an Anglican don't be brainwashed by atheistic media and propaganda. All churches will united one day it is their official goal there is no other way.

@webz3589

Жыл бұрын

I would dearly love to see the whole church united. I am not content to be only united with rome but the one true church founded on pentacaust, anything less is simply not good enough.

Why does he knocks just like the usher of the blackrod ?

@mscott3918

3 жыл бұрын

It's a part of a very old tradition.

Angels are rejoicing that finally our son has come home to guide His LORD'S flock. Lead only the Holy Spirit does ALWAYS as our beloved St John writes in the power of God John 6 :45. "They will all be taught by God"May we all believe that it was ,is and in Christ ALONE that we rise.

How can the term 'enthronement' apply to a Christian minister? Paul asked "Have begun ruling as kings before us?" 1 Cor 4:8. They sit on thrones, live in 'palaces,' have servants.,wear distinctive robes e.t.c. Where in the gospels is this justified?

Thank you Frasquito, and I heartily share your sentiments. At this Eastertide, I hope we all look beyond our respective traditions (or none) and reflect upon the simple truths: there is bad, and there is good, and the difference is readily plain for us all to see if we choose to look.

--and it wasn't intended to be a concert! The pastor where I'm organist proposed that the congregation remain seated while I play the postlude, then maybe they'd applaud (the way they did in seminary). I pooh poohed that idea, believing that there's a difference between a mass and a concert. If I wanted to concertize, I'd schedule a concert and maybe make some money taking it on the road!

In Christ there is no East or West, In Him no South or North; But one great fellowship of love Throughout the whole wide earth In Christ now meet both East and West, In Him meet North and South; All Christly souls are one in Him Throughout the whole wide earth. oh ... and there is also no condemnation for all who are in Christ .. FYI.

@jamesbarlow4878

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus never said that

@samguria6439

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.... God bless you.... I'm really happy by reading your positive comment ...that you see every one in Christ.... Some are haters of each because of separations in churches....

What is the origin and purpose of a new bishop being questioned by a layperson?

@AntPDC

7 жыл бұрын

I believe it was ++ Welby's innovation. I rather like it. And I wouldn't myself use the word "layperson" in this context because it is suggestive of lofty Pharisaical pride. Here, Archbishop Justin is being questioned by a member of his flock as their shepherd. I'm pretty sure that Jesus Christ himself would approve.

@DannyEastVillage

7 жыл бұрын

As shepherd of the laity as well as to the clergy, a bishop is answerable to both. In the Orthodox churches, the laity are asked in the consecration ceremony to give the patriarch permission to proceed. One dissenting voice - whether from another bishop, a priest, or a layperson - can be enough to railroad the entire proceedings at least until an investigation is completed.

Why would the BBC "be very cross with" you?

My question in the midst of all these exchanges would be......why does the Christian Church find itself in this situation? If there was union, there would be no need to have to repair damage done with 'ecumenism'

In the context of an occasion such as this, not only do you disrespect your former church and the 80 million Christians who belong to it, but you embarrass the one you currently belong to by your absence of Christian fellowship and simple good manners. This is the year 2013: you might find it helpful to talk to your priest or bishop about the meaning of "ecumenism" and why it is eg that the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches actively strive to achieve it, despite obstacles. Best wishes.

Enthronement? I thought that was only for the Queen or King? They are above the Archbishop and are mentioned in the Anglican maas. That is how they say it. Like 14 hundred yaars. The Church of England is an adjunct of the state, since the reformation.

@AntPDC

8 жыл бұрын

+JLipnicki Bishop's throne (cathedra) is the seat of a bishop. It is a symbol of the bishop's teaching authority in the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, and in the Anglican Communion churches.

@AntPDC

8 жыл бұрын

+Nova Critter Yes I know. But it's so prosaic, so dull, so banal. People want to see a glimpse of God here on earth, not a bunch of corporate churchmen in lounge suits, sitting in even more banal buildings...

@colinlavelle7806

2 жыл бұрын

@@AntPDC Exactly!!!

"for reasons of which we are all aware". I'm clearly not one of those "all". Why are we down in the colonies not able to watch a service which we are told was highly conscious of its significance for the whole Anglican Communion?

Proude to be sri lanakan

may God richly use you to propagate the gospel of jesus in all areas of the earth i believe their will be revival in the body of christ and anglican church will be on fire of the holy ghost

The liturgy and music is wholly English.

I am grateful, if disappointed, by your comment. As to the notion of "apostolic succession", and other man-made sillinesses however, I ask: would Christ himself have paid even a millisecond of attention? As a matter of perspective, and even if you are correct (there's much argument here) it's a minuscule, irrelevant fragment of trivia when compared with the massive challenges, as Christians, we must all focus upon today together. My best wishes to you and your family.

History will be made on Sunday when our new Bishop will be knocking on the doors of the Cathedral Church of St Mark as she will be seated and investitured as the 12th Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Utah

@AntPDC

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations Russell, and best wishes both to your new bishop and to your Diocese of Utah.

To: imbonnie I am grateful, if disappointed, by your comment. As to the notion of "apostolic succession", and other man-made sillinesses however, I ask: would Christ himself have paid even a millisecond of attention? As a matter of perspective, and even if you are correct (there's much argument here) it's a minuscule, irrelevant fragment of trivia when compared with the massive challenges, as Christians, we must all focus upon today together. My best wishes to you and your family.

@michaelj5168

2 жыл бұрын

The “notion” of apostolic succession is integral to the very soul of the Church. I would encourage you to read the Early Church Fathers

3:00... OMG, this whole thing is just screaming NERD !!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I would most indubitably invite the Archbishop to a D&D game night. 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

@AntPDC

Жыл бұрын

Keep taking the tablets...

ON THIS DAY The Anglican church got robbed by LGBTQI and we UGANDANS have decided to keep our distance from sinners while calling them for REPENTANCE

@AntPDC

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget to close the door on your way out. Oh, and there'll be no more aid.

@webz3589

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@AntPDCyes i find it funny how these people seem to think we are all like "oh no the hateful bigots who have abused christ for centuries to justify their hatred have left". When the spirit moved the church from the flawed morality of man to the perfect morality of God and all Anglicans who fail to capitualte are cast out deservedly.

I love the Roman Church, and continously pray that she will someday be truly catholic and open her rails to all Christians. That said, I remain constantly offended and amazed at those brainwashed indivduals who make such comments about their fellow Christians. I suggest Eusebius, the Didache, and perhaps even the words of our Lord Himself to set one straight. Especially His definition of church: "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst"

@guynungagap4617

4 жыл бұрын

Especially His definition of church: "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst" That is not the definition of the church.

@regionalmusicheritagecente6108

4 жыл бұрын

@@guynungagap4617 Then clearly He had no idea. I know of no other definitions. Is there or is there not a church?

I feel bad for anyone who would discriminate against anyone else. I know that I am a hypocrite and I don't pretend to be perfect but why the hostility sir or madam? I am not a fan of any religion that does not require education before turning its parishioners loose on the world to preach. I find it sad how many people think the devil or satan was a fallen angel cast out of heaven by God.