Enmeshment Types: Narcissist’s, Codependent’s, Borderline’s (Conference on Addiction Psychiatry)

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Video presentation to the 3rd World Conference on Addiction Psychiatry, Paris, October 16-17, 2023.
Enmeshment, engulfment, merger, fusion, symbiosis
Narcissist
Recreation of symbiotic phase in dual mothership
Instrumentalized (leads to separation-individuation)
Temporary but stable
Object inconstancy, separation insecurity (abandonment anxiety) resolved via introjection
Borderline
Separation insecurity (abandonment anxiety) leads to clinging
Engulfment anxiety leads to approach-avoidance repetition compulsion
Instrumentalized (leads to external regulation)
Introject inconstancy
Codependent
Control from the Bottom to allay separation insecurity (abandonment anxiety)
Instrumentalized (renders life meaningful)
Object inconstancy, separation insecurity (abandonment anxiety) lead to clinging
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  • @jonc6463
    @jonc646315 күн бұрын

    Thank you once again 🙏

  • @mmarie6045
    @mmarie604511 ай бұрын

    I appreciate your unique approach to allowing all people to understand the mindset of a person who suffers with narcissistic tendencies or the actual disorder. You’re extremely valuable to the psychology community.

  • @vgzm
    @vgzm11 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much professor Vaknin for speaking about codependency too.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    I have other videos about codependents.

  • @vgzm

    @vgzm

    11 ай бұрын

    I watched all of your videos, including about codependency and I am very thankful for touching this subject too. Respect and love from Romania!

  • @violettaangelababetz4427
    @violettaangelababetz442711 ай бұрын

    I just realised I am not a co dependent, as I thought.😊

  • @ryanromero5398
    @ryanromero539811 ай бұрын

    Professor, thank you for another great video. Would appreciate a video with further elaboration on codependents. It seems to be a grey area that many don’t speak on as a disorder but rather in the vein of victimhood and something that should be championed. The concept of it being an offshoot of cluster B (or perhaps just part of it?) is talked about almost nowhere else. Again, thank you for all your work.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    Would appreciate if you search my channel.

  • @moviesignsol

    @moviesignsol

    11 ай бұрын

    You might want to use the search function. I like to use CTRL F. Different devices use various means to accomplish a search. Press CTRL F then *codependent* when looking at a MASSIVE amounts of videos to locate the precise ones. (If you're in a document or in a web browser, pressing the Ctrl key + the F key will bring up a search box in the top right corner of the screen. ) If you have trouble then try searching (CTRL F) for *Sam* and it will make sense pretty quickly.

  • @Raphael0654
    @Raphael065411 ай бұрын

    That section on codependents at the end makes so much sense; such invaluable info--thank you, Sam. Until now, it was hard for me to ascertain the potential risks of dealing with them.

  • @Christophfarrell
    @Christophfarrell11 ай бұрын

    Thanks Sam. This is 10 times more in depth & nuanced than anything else online regarding dependant PD ;)

  • @imanu558
    @imanu55811 ай бұрын

    Thank you Professor, you just confirmed my observations on co-dependent, they will display the same characteristics of a covert narcissistic personality and indeed Machiavellian's...I really appreciate your work... thank you ❤

  • @777Honeypie
    @777Honeypie11 ай бұрын

    I think it would be a shame to miss diagnose someone with dependent personality disorder, who had just gotten out of a narcissistically abusive relationship. Sometimes there is a lot of reactive abuse. The partner is in a no-win situation and over time may feel out of control. may try harder. I think it would be easy for the Narcissist to Point fingers and say she is the problem. She must be codependent. Well, yes, but maybe not by nature. This is a pet peeve of mine.

  • @ghibilibibili3080

    @ghibilibibili3080

    4 ай бұрын

    It's pretty much because when raised by a narcissist, that's all you know. It's important to see other perspectives too. But of course Narcissists cannot do that.

  • @Petunia3001
    @Petunia30012 ай бұрын

    Well, there is the most perfect description of the 2 people who raised me if ever I heard one. Wow. Grateful for the insights this provides, thank you.

  • @6drk6mrc6
    @6drk6mrc611 ай бұрын

    That intro is awesome Prof. Vaknin :D. You are the man

  • @amam-qq5jc
    @amam-qq5jc11 ай бұрын

    Best videos best intros 😂😂

  • @Deepintent
    @Deepintent11 ай бұрын

    Well put, sir.

  • @dilfuzakhaydarova2859
    @dilfuzakhaydarova285911 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much Dear Professor Sam Vaknin ❤. Very interesting knowledge for me.❤

  • @Fae321boom
    @Fae321boom2 ай бұрын

    Great video💕

  • @i.a.m.17
    @i.a.m.1711 ай бұрын

    Before understanding my codependency, I was always thinking "Am I a narcissist or a borderline?" It's like you said, a "bridge between those two personalities. I can be very narcissistic e really emotionally disregulated depending on the stimulus. I have a significant compatibility with narcissistic people and I tend to fade in relationships. Despite being very controlling and manipulative, empathy blocks me from being abusive. In my researches, codependency is always pointed out as a learned behavior, not a personlality disorder, but my personal experience demonstrates that is not as simple as a behavior that can be reeducated. Do you think that codepedency will be recognized as a personality disorder soon?

  • @marcusreid2470

    @marcusreid2470

    11 ай бұрын

    Isn’t it a cluster c personality disorder?

  • @i.a.m.17

    @i.a.m.17

    11 ай бұрын

    @@marcusreid2470 the dependent personality disorder is. I did not find anything that references codepedency as a personality disorder

  • @_N0_0ne
    @_N0_0ne11 ай бұрын

    Thank you

  • @NostalgicPocket
    @NostalgicPocket11 ай бұрын

    I am dying all while carrying on like a living being. I don’t know what I am but I have most of these Codependent and borderline traits and some narcissism now that I know what it is BUT I’m trying to work on my behaviors so I can’t be a Narcissist right?

  • @daniemotioninsound

    @daniemotioninsound

    11 ай бұрын

    If you want to be better for yourself and others, I suppose you're not a narcissist, but if you're trying to be better just as a tool to manipulate others better, then it might be narcissism. There ARE narcissists who go to therapy, but I'm questioning their intentions though.

  • @hineinindeinsein3362

    @hineinindeinsein3362

    5 ай бұрын

    It is not only the changing of behaviour. You need to develop a will to be your true self. You have to understand that you behave, react and think unconsciously just like your own self-image, you developed as a child. It's a process that is life changing. You are not really who you are. You cannot imagine how it will be to to get to the stage of pure joy to get to know that you are not your coping strategies you are a soul full of love and bliss. And there are so many moments where you hear yourself saying: Wow, what a feeling, this is me? You need to get to know your deepest fears to explore that there is nothing behind. You will be able to feel your deepest pain to get to know that there is relief if you feel it and cry like a baby. You will open your heart just to know that there is a wall and you need time and trust to open and close your heart until it is really open. You will see that there is real love and everything you thought is love isn't. Maybe you will experience energy leaving your body that is trauma that was stored in your cells. 3-4 years and a good investment in yourself and then you're living according to your soul and your heart and you are and feel connected to yourself and you begin to encounter the world unconditionally.

  • @hineinindeinsein3362

    @hineinindeinsein3362

    5 ай бұрын

    And yes I was shocked to get to know that I also had narcissistic patterns, but I wanted to change.

  • @user-fs3it1tm8u
    @user-fs3it1tm8u5 ай бұрын

    So what saves a codependent?

  • @mmmjh1
    @mmmjh110 ай бұрын

    Doesn't society/capatilism perpetuate such behaviour. (codependency)

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes. Search the channel.

  • @mozhganrafiee6373
    @mozhganrafiee637311 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much professor Sam Vaknin. Is it possible someone with Meningitis (inflammation in brain), epilepsy or brain tumor become psychopath or Narcissist with psychopath tried?

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    Yes. Watch my videos on the brain and especially brain trauma and injury.

  • @mozhganrafiee6373

    @mozhganrafiee6373

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and your work, you are making difference in people’s life. Your work is priceless. 🙏♥️

  • @hineinindeinsein3362

    @hineinindeinsein3362

    5 ай бұрын

    My mother had epilepsy until I was born. Before she was powerless and with me she had someone with whom she was able to get a big amount of power. I wasn't allowed to have needs and I became the invisible child. Now I healed the consequences of an emotionless mother. Last time she showed her disappointment like a child and I wrapped my arms around her and I said that I hold her and she can feel the disappointment. I had to let go a lot of resistance and anger towards her and now I only feel love no matter how she behaves.

  • @alexander_b132
    @alexander_b13211 ай бұрын

    Thank you, Prof. Vaknin! Have you considered adding a donation option to your channel via an external service?

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    No. Why would I seek donations?

  • @alexander_b132

    @alexander_b132

    11 ай бұрын

    @@samvaknin Please don't get me wrong. I am thinking it more as a token of appreciation.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    @@alexander_b132 I know. My question was sincere, I was not offended.

  • @alexander_b132

    @alexander_b132

    11 ай бұрын

    @@samvaknin It seems that I am that kind of person who likes to support other people/organizations for the work they do that benefit the community (according to my limited abilities when the organization/person allows it - volunteering and/or small donations). Your videos are very, very informative and well-structured. As a person with a psychoanalytical and computer science background, I find a wealth of precious information in them and wanted to show my support. Of course, I give a like and share your videos among my friends, but I was also wondering if you are considering opening such option for your channel. Options for supporting channels and other open-source work (mostly software) are so common on the Internet that I didn't think it was unusual to ask.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    @@alexander_b132 Thank you. I would rather avoid all contact with people, however lucrative it may prove to be.

  • @josefinhaggstrom9705
    @josefinhaggstrom970511 ай бұрын

    Does the introject inconsistency of a borderline versus her partner apply to her children (out of sight, out of mind) as well?

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    Less so, but yes.

  • @dmdm9232
    @dmdm92323 ай бұрын

    Hello, thank you for these deep insights. Do you think codependents dislike themselves? How can a codependent free themselves of their abandonment anxiety completely? Thank you.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    3 ай бұрын

    Search the comorbidities playlist.

  • @gergofuri2334
    @gergofuri233411 ай бұрын

    If codependency is a combination of borderline and narcissism is it still can be effectively treated with dbt?

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    11 ай бұрын

    No need for DBT. Even CBT, TA, EMDR or Schema therapy would do.

  • @Kris81815
    @Kris8181511 ай бұрын

    Prof Vaknin, do you think the narcissist is capable of real connection to a romantic partner? Real bonding beside the traumabond?

  • @majalovric6920

    @majalovric6920

    10 ай бұрын

    No...

  • @HerbertGoldstein-gy3gy
    @HerbertGoldstein-gy3gy7 ай бұрын

    So Codependents somewhat behave like covert narcissists dont they, at least i see many similarities.

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    7 ай бұрын

    Search the comorbidities playlist.

  • @flowboostmarketing7687
    @flowboostmarketing76873 ай бұрын

    Professor, which is the difference between intimacy and symbiotic fusion (feeling one with two heads?). Any recommended book to understand all this?

  • @samvaknin

    @samvaknin

    3 ай бұрын

    Search the life's wisdom playlist and search the channel for "love" and for "intimacy".