I love that this series is bridging some of the innovations in large scale commercial mass timber projects into the residential world.

I’m glad you showed the wide range of products available. Some of us will never be able to justify spending 400 PER hidden beam fastener, but many other products are economical and quality products for any job.

@sparksmcgee6641

Ай бұрын

It does show you what you can fap out of steel if you want to put up a bit of wood.

Face mount Dovetail connectors have been around for a long time in the Mass timber industry. Simpson is newer to the mass timber market. I prefer these Simpson hangers over Sherpa or Rothoblaas concealed face mount hangers. They seem competitive with Knapp, and Pitzl hangers. Simpson does have great whitepapers for their hangers. For timber screws again Simpson is newer to the market. Their options differ from more established brands which make them more difficult to specify when not used with simpson products. Often we say that builders can take their pick between Heco, Assy, GRK, Spax or Schmid, but for Simpson we have to specify specifically. I see them on smaller projects as some of them can be sourced quickly at local hardware stores. A nice point for the Simpson exterior screws is that as they are not galvanized, they can often be used where SS screws might normally be required when in coastal areas or with woods that react and stain with HDG screws.

@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb

Ай бұрын

Yeah, this is obviously a sponsorship deal - one of the major reasons I've all-but stopped watching Risinger.

Great show exploring and explaining the options and uses for today's screws and brackets used for anchoring and joining of wood structual members from Simpson. Thanks for taking the time. Ray Stormont

I discovered GRK structural and timber screws about a decade ago when I was doing a half timber framed deck+porch+ramp addition to a farmhouse, and swiftly adopted them for doing horse fences and corrals, instead of nails that can pull or lags that need pre-drilling and counter-sinking. They’ve become pricey, but well worth it for the things I’m working on these days.

@sparksmcgee6641

Ай бұрын

Space bought Rodenhouse, they were the main custom screw factory in the US. You can still buy directly from rodenhouse if you need 6" on up. Their standard screws are concrete screws also. I got a bunch of 6 and 10" directly from them in about 30-40lb containers

@sparksmcgee6641

Ай бұрын

OH I love GRK also. I switched to Amazon for my screws since neither Spax or GRK do discounts. Same price and EVERY size in stock. Need a square head 1 3/4 stainless? No problem

Love the exterior black powder coated washer/screw combo that looks like lag bolts!!! So cool 🔥🔥🔥

I love Simpson products. They have some really niche stuff that makes life a lot easier. I used their hex head hurricane tie screws on my shed last year (overkill, I know) and they were fantastic. Only slight issue is they basically have a monopoly on these niche things and are priced according. Those hex head screws were $13/box compared to $9/box of a comparable T20 exterior screw, and the box was a bit smaller if I recall. Still, I find myself buying from them more and more

@sparksmcgee6641

Ай бұрын

Read the spec sheet and you'll see they're something like 10-20 times stronger. Worth it for the code documents.

Cool project with nice timber engineers products!

I like this guy. He doesn't clog the B S filter.

How do you deal with uplift using the concealed beam hangers? They look great I can’t imagine a situation where our engineers would allow a beam to just be held down by gravity. Do you have additional fixings on the top side of the beam?

@kellymoses8566

Ай бұрын

The weight of the beam and roof is very large. What would cause uplift?

@daviddorrell5819

Күн бұрын

Weather events such as high velocity windstorms, cyclones, and tornadoes.

Nice now the tornado can lift my roof off and set it back down nicely in that slotted bracket

I love the truss screws. They are so worth it (time to install plates vs cost of screw)

@buildshow

Ай бұрын

Totally agree

Hi Matt. I was reading a recent issue of Fine Homebuilding magazine and they had an article on Holdrite Fixture Outlet Boxes, which are used to install water supply pipes during the rough-in phase of construction. Have you ever heard of them or used them before? They also have some neat fire-stopping products.

@buildshow

Ай бұрын

I have them a bunch and really like them! Great product

Nice job with your channel

After the beam slides into the bracket, what holds it down?

Hi Matt. Do you have a good resource for fastening standards in the narrow edge of LSL/LVL wall framing studs. Weyerhaeuser offers some bulletin information for beams but I don’t see anything with them or versa-studs relating to screw fastening allowances needed exterior insulation details.

Simpson makes great stuff, but man those screws are expensive!!

Can you put some kind of lubricant to ease driving? Soap? Easy Thread?

All good till the boomer building inspector who has never seen it before starts hollering about “them beams ain’t got no hangers on’em”😂

@user-vn6hi2bi3g

Ай бұрын

It's a good point in that how can an inspector verify the brackets unless inspected just prior to installation?

Looking at that Beam to Wall two-piece Leger Simpson Hardware Bracket there is a questionable flaw, One Are they rated for Earthquake and Tornado Zones ? What prevents the roof from lifting off other than hurricane straps if they fail or can't withstand the upward force ? Or an Earthquake causing the beam to jump up and out of the connector ? Sadel and bolts are better even if relatively unsightly

just thinking logically routing the beam double depth at exact dimensions would make it really hard to connect those awesome hidden hangars. wouldnt it be better to route each face?

Dont you use expanding bolts as anchor bolts? We do that here in Denmark.

Can't use aluminum with treated wood. We'll wait for the galvanized or stainless version for decks.

@markmyers4573

Ай бұрын

Check out Simpson CJT concealed joist ties with a Z-max finish for light duty, or their new HSKP Heavy seated knife plate available in powder coated or hot-dip galvanized for heavy loads.

@tysonb.7773

Ай бұрын

I built my deck with Simpson hardware. Using structural screws. Here in Alaska with record snow loads and large loads of snow falling off the roof. the strength of Simpson is shining through. we'll worth the price for the peace of mind. deck was engineered for snow loads.

I've used a lot of Simpson hardware, and they make great hangers and screws. I like all of this hardware except those concealed aluminum hangers. I don't like the fact that you cannot inspect the structural properties of the connection to see if enough screws were used and if the right screws were used. Once that connection is made, it seems like it would be impossible to modify or repair. With external connectors, you could always shore up a beam in 50 years if needed, remove the hardware, realign anything that might have moved, and then replace the hardware. I would not be comfortable using a concealed aluminum connector in an earthquake zone. If there's an earthquake, a fire, a tornado, a roof leak or differential building settlement, you cannot inspect if the connection hasn't been damaged. It just doesn't seem worth it. I'd much rather use external connectors that can be serviced.

@JeremeyHowlett

Ай бұрын

Great point, I was thinking the same thing. Also, Aluminum is not as strong as steel, the beam is basically being supported by the beveled edge on the two brackets, seems like a bad design.

@clutteredchicagogarage2720

Ай бұрын

@@JeremeyHowlett i would guess that those thick aluminum brackets are strong enough. However, aluminum is much more brittle than steel. If the structure doesn’t shift then I would not necessarily be concerned about strength, but I would be quite concerned about how they could hold up in an earthquake. Timber framing is popular on the west coast, but i would not trust using those anywhere on the west coast where there could be an earthquake.

@JeremeyHowlett

Ай бұрын

@@clutteredchicagogarage2720 yeah, there seems to be a disturbing trend of infrastructure, buildings and houses falling apart or blowing up lately. Seems like people are pushing engineering limits for esthetics. Maybe people need to go back to over engineering things and being extra extra cautious when it comes to building things.

I know they test it, but not sure I like the beams relying on those two aluminum lips per side. Seems like you could integrate more concealed hardware to account for a long span beam contracting and not riding up the lips. Again I know they test it, and I'm describe a very unlikely scenario.

And all those expensive hidden aluminum rafter hangers are just screwed into plywood end grain which is weak and tears out very easily. It would have been cheaper and stronger to just frame a pocket for the rafter to sit in. I really don't think this type of construction can be called "timber framing" maybe post and beam would be more accurate, but even that doesn't seem right.

I cannot imagine that the SDWC screw would have anywhere near the shear strength of multiple nails at 90 degrees from each other on a hurricane strap. And, to make matters worse, the fact of the head diameter being so small that the pull through resistance would be negligible.

Matt, I’m sure your architect (stevebaczek?) might say something, but I’ve watched enough post frame structures to say this is a modified post frame Barndo! I wonder what Kyle Stumpenhorst may say. ❤️👌🏻❤️‍🔥👍🤷🏻

Not a problem to screw the beam hanger right into the "end grain" ?

@1014p

Ай бұрын

Probably screw from the outside wall.

@l00se8

Ай бұрын

@@1014p what about the connection the the beam?

@TonyRule

Ай бұрын

Absolutely a problem even with an engineered beam.

What about snow loads in the northeast?

Those beam hangers are ~$350 each! CNC aluminum like that isn't cheap, usually reserved for race cars and aerospace for a reason. I'm sure it's the perfect solution for someone but man I'd be wondering about pricing out steel beams for a project if I had more than a handful of those.

@justtestingonce

Ай бұрын

Yep, very unnecessary!

@TonyRule

Ай бұрын

Haha I just sarcastically posted "I bet they're cheap...". If you're paying that much for a bit of hardware, you'd want it visible even if it's only so your friends can mock you!

Putting windows in at that stage seems a little premature

I bet they're nice and cheap too, all that machining and aluminium. Another solution looking for a problem. No, thanks. I'll wait for the stamped galvanised one or better still just use a notched doubler trim to eliminate or conceal a normal hanger.

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3:15 means over $500 each, that's what it means.

Why are the windows already installed?

Boy I tell you what this country has money

Okay how many of us clicked on this because of the THATS NOT GOING ANYWHERE tag? 👇🏻Vote for it below while I hold your beer

Dont feel bad Matt, everyone looks like a dork in a hard hat

@timrxn5414

Ай бұрын

Okay THAT made me actually laugh out loud. Don’t worry Matt

😅😅😅old stuff. Nothing new. More than 15 years on german market. Simpson strong tie

Ya, I can see this in a custom home but not necessarily for the masses like housing developments etc... maybe a small Mc Mansion. Simpson Hardware has gotten overly expensive OHA and increasing Code Enforcement in Local and State is really driving the new housing market crazy, while older home prices are skyrocketing, and with the current political climate we are headed for a crash.

How do you like those new shot bus hard hats?

@suspicionofdeceit

Ай бұрын

They have been around in other parts of the world for decades.

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