This video did not age well with the announcement of the pi 5.

@DataSlayerMedia

8 ай бұрын

My timing was impeccable... =/

@FartSquirel

7 ай бұрын

did not age well? How about dead on arrival? I'm just a curious person on this Pi thing and even I knew there was a Pi 5 on the way 6 months ago.

@Sarge92

7 ай бұрын

no i agree the pi foundations rein is coming to a end and heres why pi launched with a simple and noble goal get afforable computing into the hands of children everywhere so they can learn computing and programming they set in place a series of goals to achieve that the product had to be cheap and affordable that most households regardless of income could afford it they achieved this with the £25-£30 price tag not require any expensive gear to set it up it used phone chargers and tv connections even had composite video just incase the family was poor enough to still have a non hdmi tv be accesible to kids in schools and computer clubs and at home but year on year release upon release they have drifted further and further away by persuing faster and faster soc's instead of cheaper and cheaper ones and by allowing the community to bloat out the specs to suit there every niche desire then they prioritised industyr partners like point of sales manufacturers and industriaol automation suppliers over children as per the foundations mission statement with the remaining production flow trickling to the public to get snatched by scalpers whilst pi foundation did nothing to try and kerb this finally they complicated there product line by introducing several models all with different specs further complicating supply chains now we have a board that in some configurations costs close to 100 dollars uses display connectors most havnt even heard of let alone own unless there tech enthusiats even if the kids families could afford them there getting snatched up so fast there unobtainium then for the rest of the community they also got screwed now companies are cranking out port for port clones many with better specs than the pi so when i go to purchase a pi now for that awesome case i saw its not how do i get a pi its who has the best device pi couldnt ever compete on specs they should have stayed with price and availability now pi is trying to compete on specs and the entire rest of the market has them beat and there supply chains are more stable than pi foundations i apreciate everything pi foundation has done but they ultimatly lost sight of why they did this in the first place

@hanfo420

7 ай бұрын

@@DataSlayerMedia timing? I would say it was more the lack of research and greed 😂

@FoxPlays-roblox

6 ай бұрын

you can buy 3 raspberry pi 5's for the same price

I hate videos like this. Unless the board is in the same price range as a Raspberry Pi, then it's not a "pi killer".

@TheNefastor

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. Otherwise my Core i7 laptop is a Pi killer. It's dumb. I'm thumbing down the video.

@magnushansen6063

9 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more

@VentandInvent

9 ай бұрын

When is your raspberry pi 5 coming to your home at msrp of $80?

@danielpicassomunoz2752

8 ай бұрын

​@@VentandInventcouple of months, though @ $100 USD

@Hornet135

7 ай бұрын

Even the raspberry pi isn’t the same price as the raspberry pi.

$229.99 vs 74.99. So it's 3 times more expensive, but it's better 3x times better? This video still keeps me puzzled.

@0x0081

10 ай бұрын

Touche… lol. Zimaboard don’t have a place anywhere for what it costs. For the money you can get a tiny pc with way more performance. Rpi has its place and is here to stay especially is back in stock everywhere (atlist in Europe)

@kamertonaudiophileplayer847

10 ай бұрын

@@0x0081 Exactly.

@MYtastePT

10 ай бұрын

@@0x0081you can actually get the zima board 842 (the high end one) for 150€ and the mid one for 120€ with shipping included. They do sales/coupons every now and then. It's competitive at that price if you have a use for the sata/PCIE lanes IMO

@luisbperez368

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, when the Pi reached $200, I got a great deal with a tiny Celeron 5105 8Gb 256Gb for $120, no brainer here; I got 4 to supplement my four-node Raspberry Pi cluster. I even set up a 5105 as a 4 Tb RAID NAS, which works like a champ. Now, Pi is returning to its MSRP prices and got two more for $55.00 each. Pi still has a purpose in the present, but if the Pi Foundation does not get back to designing a replacement soon, they will leave too far behind. Stay safe.

@kamertonaudiophileplayer847

9 ай бұрын

@@luisbperez368 I see currently many alternatives and I even jumped to one and has no regrets because it's much better for me than RPi 4, although a little more expensive. Maybe RPi glory days will return, but not in this year.

These paid reviewers have been telling me the Raspberry Pi is dead for many years now. It's boring.

@beholdthegoober

8 ай бұрын

What's funny is that he made a short before this shilling for IceWhale/Zima Board and he didn't even say whether or not he is a paid sponsor.

@KangasAri

2 ай бұрын

@@beholdthegoober He said he got 10 of those devices ( = >$2k ) for free.

"I was surprised to find 10 of these at my doorstep." Okay, so this is a paid advertisement. Got it.

My seven-year-old's computer is a Raspberry Pi CM4 mounted to a carrier board in a small enclosure. He follows through the RPi guides aimed at children. Zima doesn't have that level of community, so it is premature to claim RPi is dead.

@jovialcupid9687

7 ай бұрын

Esp32 is way cheaper, magnitude more powerful and capable with so many new features.. yet still Arduino won't die

@Giniek

6 ай бұрын

​@@jovialcupid9687 For a second I thought that you tried to compare the CM4 to the ESP32, luckily you compared it to the Arduino 😂

@Henry-sv3wv

5 ай бұрын

But you can program an ESP32 as an Arduino. The Zima is not community compatible with the raspi.

@unixux

5 ай бұрын

@@jovialcupid9687it won’t die because that’s the appeal of AVR … stale AF, slow 8 bit thing with tiny everything (well the board itself is huge) is its pluses not minuses

@kborak

2 ай бұрын

My 8 year old has a 5800x with a 2070 super. You must like frustrating your kid. Yes, my son runs Arch before you try.

Data Slayer: Raspberry Pi is finally dead. Raspberry Pi: Hold my beer......

@B18bVtec

3 ай бұрын

Boom pi 5

Remember he is being sponsored so he needs to do a clickbait to get viewers... Raspberry Pi 5 is better and cheaper. My advise is to block this dude and report his video for misleading. If more than 60% of the viewers report him he gets a ban and they demonetize his videos.

@bobsmith-qu2oq

Ай бұрын

as if the pi fanboys who ere getting pis during the shortage werent paid off

@thedude2404

Ай бұрын

@@bobsmith-qu2oq Sure karen-kaka whatever makes you feel good... 🤣

Raspberry Pi is NOT about the hardware. It's about the software, the ecosystem, the community, etc... That's what all those "Raspberry Pi Killers" don't understand.

Interesting how fast things change. This video is a month old. As of today I can buy an 8 GB pi4 in stock at Digikey for $75 plus $15 for a power supply that almost everyone already has. The Pi5 8gb with RTC, PCIe2, and 2-3x the Pi4’s performance will ship in October for $80, plus maybe $20 for a 5A power supply. While the N3350 passmark is about equivalent to the pi4, the Pi5 will be much faster. Even with a fan and case it will be $75 cheaper.

@geobot9k

9 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. I was kind of curious to see if anyone has come into this video since the pi5 announcement to say “this video aged like milk”

@rosslomath

8 ай бұрын

Seems the pi 5 is a video killer in this instance 😅

@BogdanOlteanu-profile

6 ай бұрын

I smell paid commercial with this video :-) and just a fancy board :))

@geobot9k

6 ай бұрын

@@BogdanOlteanu-profile For real, so many videos feel like under the table ads now. Slight tangent, I ended up picking up a pi5 and its been pretty fun. It runs 7B large language models with llama.cpp returning around 2 tokens per/second but I am helping the heatsink/fan combo with an extra 40mm noctua to keep temps

@FutureReverberations

6 ай бұрын

Just ordered a pi 5 yesterday, couldnt get the 8gig at any price so had to settle for 4. Got it at MSRP Though, so thats something!

4:26 - Did not know Jason Statham was creator of the Raspberry PI.

Really not a fan of the obnoxious frequent captions in the middle of the frame.

@mellowgeekstudio

2 ай бұрын

Yes! TikTok lack of attention spam generation panderers are the worst.

Error: "It has 4, quad cores." It actually has 4 cores, with 1 thread per core. What you said would make it a 16 thread processor; it's not a 16 thread processor.

The dislike ratio tells me what i need to know

I was learning all about RISC design development in the early 1980s and saw (and used) a few RISC based computers starting in the late 1980s. While ARM is a RISC design, it is not the only RISC design that was created, though sadly, many of those other RISC processors created in the 80s and 90s have either fallen by the wayside, or become niche products over the entire computer market. I seriously doubt that Pi is dead - so many Pi's that are manufactured are finding their way into manufactured products, not just home hobbyists.

@fuzzywzhe

4 ай бұрын

PI isn't dead. We're moving toward ARM, not away from it. ARM was the best RISC to survive, I don't cry for the lack of PPC or Sparc. If you've ever coded in ARM assembly, it's just a pleasure.

@RetroDawn

2 ай бұрын

​@@fuzzywzhe ARM 32-bit (thus v7 and prior) assembly is a pain in the butt to program optimally, due to nearly all instructions being conditional (unlike *every* other ISA I'm familiar with) and the fact that that slows down execution on newer still-32-bit ARM CPUs as opposed to using standard branching instructions (due to branch prediction units and other enhancements). Also, there's the separate Thumb instruction set to learn, and the different versions of that. And the IT (If-Then) instruction(s), which were added to Thumb-2 to provide analogous functionality to conditional instructions, are, even according to ARM themselves, usually only generated by the assembler, rather than being hand-coded, as they are fairly complex and awkward to use. I haven't programmed in ARM 64-bit (v8.x) assembly. I understand that it has been given a substantial overhaul. I commend ARM for taking that leap in the move to 64-bit. Sadly x86-64 did not get anything remotely close to an overhaul over x86-32, mostly just a doubling of the number of registers in the paltry general purpose and SSE register files (both from 8 to 16) and an extension of the general purpose register file and the instruction pointer (eip) and flags register to 64-bits.

@fuzzywzhe

2 ай бұрын

@@RetroDawn The conditional execution allowed the pipeline NOT to be invalidated, that was it's power. You knew when you wrote the code that 99.9% of the time it would repeat, as a result, you could code it in such a way that the pipe wouldn't be dumped. This is why the ARM was so energy efficient, unlike x86, it didn't do multiple POTENTIAL branches. I've not worked on 64 bit ARM, I'm told they've dropped the conditional execution. Learning assembly is a waste of time now, unless you want to understand just how a chip works.

£\$230? House brick size? Not a chance is this taking over. Not for me anyway.

The best thing I find is the support you get along with the huge knowledge base

as someone with an extension to return the dislike button stuff, the like to dislike ratio on this video is hilarious, 1/4th is likes and the rest is dislikes lollllll

I prefer the Orange PI 5 Plus: 8 cores (4x Cortex-A76, 4x Cortex-A55), up to 16GB RAM and 256GB eMMC, etc... around 92 to 135 USD.

@trevorberridge6079

9 ай бұрын

The Orange Pi 5 Plus is a great board. Orange Pi do really good SBCs. However, they also charge more than you pay for the equivalent Raspberry Pi.

i swear all the naysayers of the Raspberry Pi 5 are the people who DIDN'T get one to test...we shall see what you say when you buy your own.

The answer to every question inside a content title: No. x86 is convenient, but it's double the price.

@gordonhill8164

11 ай бұрын

More than double the price.

@lovemadeinjapan

4 ай бұрын

Half the price. You can get a i5 with HD630 graphics, 8GB RAM, PSU, 256GB SSD and built in screen for 50€ It's even more power efficient as it has a 14nm chip.

Raspberry Pi 5 has just been released and spanks most micro PC's...your move, chief.

You are definitely in favour for that Zima...

I’ll definitely buy one when they come up with a N95 CPU (not N100) model.

Pi 5 is immortal, kinda like Obi-Wan. Everyone builds for it and there are millions of them.

I was shocked when I saw the Australian price of the ZimaBoard AU$441 compare for a complete PI5 AU$160.

I like the pie and I think there’s such a community around it I think it will reign supreme for a long time BUT I’m like you mentioned in the beginning of the video it’s nice to see alternatives and new ideas and more

@stevebolton8471

8 ай бұрын

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How does emulation compare on the Zima boards compared to the pi 4/5?

The Raspberry Pi sales, demand and huge support all put the lie to this ridiculous premise. This has to be a click bait title. In the list of things the Zima board can do I can't see anything that the Raspberry Pi can't also do. I use it as my main computer over and above my desktop Windows 10 PC, which may be a bit old now but it's the most powerful computer I've ever owned and it comes second to my Pi. Unless speed is an absolute necessity when executing complex tasks like high end video editing or 3D graphic rendering, a PC has no advantage over an SBC like the Pi. I run Kdenlive, GIMP, LibreOffice, Plex, KZread at 1440HD, a screen recorder, screen capture, console emulation, Windows PC emulation, Steam... There's nothing I want to do that I haven't been able to do and the Pi inspires me to do so much more than I ever have. And the Raspberry Pi 5 steps it up even higher.

Thanks for making the effort and noting the potential difference in electricity costs between US vs EU. It's worth noting and is sometimes overlooked when covering this topic.

When I think of a Raspberry Pi replacement, I don't think of a tank like that.

8 months later, and they are out of stock literally everywhere 💀

I like the video! Where can i find the 10 cluster k8s zima board video?

The only reason why the raspberry pi is getting challenged is because no one can buy one at msrp. 💀

Raspberry Pi 5 has entered the chat.

Lmao the price isn't even in the same ballpark.

Dude, you are correct. The elephant in the room is price. Your link wants $229 for this. Raspberry pi5 complete kit with a case, power supply and 64gb sd card is only $160.

The Raspberry Pi was really never intended to be a good SBC, it's intended to be fully open-source hardware that can be used for education, or for various electronics hobbies via GPIO pins. If you just want a low-power, single-board computer that doesn't cost a lot of money, the Pi hasn't been a good deal since COVID. They also made some really awful decisions over the years that would make the product totally unviable for anything other than education/hobbyist use, like I believe one of the Pi models introduced a 64-bit processor while sticking with only 1GB of RAM. That was a really stupid move, simply because a 64-bit OS will take up more space in RAM... 1GB is just not enough for a 64-bit OS. There's a reason why Microsoft requires 1GB for 32-bit Windows 10, but 2GB for 64-bit Windows 10. It's probably better for both the Pi and everyone else if the Pi is left to its niche, and we get alternatives that are aimed mainly at being the low-cost, low-power SBCs people wanted the Pi to be.

@jankomuzykant1844

3 ай бұрын

RPi was never fully open source neither open hardware

Raspberry pie That things once costed 4000-6000 INR 50-80$ Now costs 17000 INR 200$ something

It only took 2 minutes for this video to morph into a commercial.

A $50 i5-6500T 16GB ram hp mini PC on ebay is the game changer.😂

lololol. I don't see any "zimaboards" for under $50. Still finding plenty of Pi's for that. Not every application needs a Full Pi 5 to function, which means the lower versions of Pi will ALWAYS be needed. So unless Zimaboard starts popping out boards for $50 or less, I doubt Pi is going anywhere.

Where are the GPIO pins? I can't do my electronics projects without those. The pi was never meant to be a server.

Was this a pie five gets a lot more than 16 mb per second... I might be interested in this new board if you can run omada controller software because that's some pretty impressive power consumption

the raspberry pi board is 60 to 80 dollars for the new pi 5 on their website

You have no idea how annoying that individual word text in the middle of the screen can be... Maybe I missed it, but which model of Pi 4 did you use, and how much RAM did it have, compared to the Zima? The Pi 5 knocks the socks off the Pi 4, and availability has returned to normal. So the Zima needs to be compared with it. Maybe it needs a Zimmer now? 😉

I don’t understand. Is the zima board a raspberry pi except it doesn’t have a hdmi cord?

as inaccurate as announcing a platform that costs like gold but no one ever got one.

raspberry PI is very expensive in other countries, especially here in Brazil, the proposal for a cheap computer simply failed, at least here in Brazil

@hiteck007

7 ай бұрын

Same problem in australia

What's the name of the software, which lets you draw somewhere on the screen while recording it? btw. Chappie and Transcendence are good movies :P

I am in pain thinking about the dumbing down of hobby computers. People that buy a Pi buy it to tinker, not as a canned complete products. Both the charm and the functionality rely on its simplicity.

I have my new raspberry Pi 5 but if i run my cnn or yolov5 model it shuts down can yu say what would be the reason

A few things turn me off about the Zima - the giant brick design (can’t build around it like a raw PCB), no GPIO, and the cost for what you get. Seems like it only fills the “OS host” niche where raspberry PIs you can use to run a robot AND host a plex server lol. Additionally, there are cheaper rockchip based boards that blow it out of the water with features/performance/power.

What makes the pi so valuable isn’t its performance, it’s the documentation and compatibility. Sure, other SBCs are more powerful and theoretically cheaper. But lord they are not practical or often even functional.

Like to Dislike ratio: 690/2,052 For anyone who was wondering

I think Zima has only one-way concept; like it actually is only for servers or gaming stuff etc. like only being as computers and computing it also this way. But Raspberry Pi(s) are actually combinable, you can literally do anything with your Raspberry Pi, not only servering but also some mini or bigger projects.

Trying to find a platform to develop a mountain webcam on a PI base with Sim card for under 100$ .... there used to be orange pi, but they don't produce it any more. any idea?

I made 114.45 MiB/sec on an Argon one M.2 Case with RPi4. That beats the ZimaBoard internal eMMC storage.

I have to ask: why is the title asserting that the pi is dead, yet at the end of the video, you say the pi is still the top choice (so not dead?) for most people?

As a owner of both Pi4 and Zimaboard I can say the Raspberry series will and not be dead for a long time. Zimaboard is just another generic x86 board, that we allready have millions of variations of. The fact that Zimaboard comes in a "hackable" form factor means only it has interesting case design and a PCI-E on its side. Other than that - any generic aliexpress miniPC in on par or even better than the Zima.

In a world dominated by arm and driven by arm, you say goodbye to raspberry pi?

My RPi3 with bmc64 is the best C64 C128 emulation so far. I don't expect any RPi to replace any of my Intel Core or AMD64 pc

Hi, sorry to comment negative stuff, but god damn it is the mrbeast style subtitle text word for word while you talk annoying! please consider using that much more sparingly

SOOooooo... no *floating-point* hardware?

Did your ARM’s get tired?

The Raspberry pi products are for learning with a boat load of working examples. 😎 🐬

I think both products have two different focus. The zima is a I/O powerhouse when compared to PI. It is a much better nas product or network product. The review should have cover these features in the review better. Zima can have two m.2 cards at up to 2GB/s bandwidth, 7 SATA drives at 3.5GB/s bandwidth, 10Gb network card or WIFI 6e card. While the PI has support for specialized i/o that the Zima does not have. I have a PI and now ordered a Zima to build a TrueNas server.

they named it zima, but the branding is orange. this saddens me

NOT Sponsored ? , but kudos not delting the video

There have been 100s of SBCs who claim to kill RPi, but Raspberry Pi is still there, with ARM picking up stake in Raspberry Pi foundation, the position is further solidified. The key is eco-system, none of these default SBC wannabes, lack that. Besides Raspberry Pi foundation has not yet shot themselves in the foot, they have not increased the price substantially, neither they have stopped innovation, if in fact they have started to develop own silicon, which many smaller companies cannot afford. So Raspberry Pi is here to stay at least for a decade.

@lovemadeinjapan

4 ай бұрын

I do not agree. OK, the Pi will be kept alive by fanboys, but as a computing solution for most uses it was once popular for it is obsolete. When the Pi was new, it had steller price/performance, unseen in the industry. Today the average retired school/banking laptop is better on every aspect: faster, more RAM/storage, cheaper, more energy efficient. OK, it is not sexy to use a beaten up laptop for things like emulation of home servers compared to getting a fresh new Pi, but it is better for your wallet, better for you applications in terms of performance/watt, and it is better to use something that already exists instead of creating new eWaste. Also that laptop runs proper OSes as well. Leaving Debian behind is a godsend.

200$ and 100$ price comparison? Pi users + support + projects + different OS =/= Zima

the zima board is literraly 148$ and the raspberry pi 5 with 8 gigs is only 80$

If they want to be considered a "server" 2mb cache won't do it. The processor is powerful enough, but it needs to be more beefy.

I made a NAS with a Pi4B and a 18TB USB HDD. But I couldn't get any system monitor graphs or graphs from Mission Center. I have ordered a celeron based nuc, so I can get back to mainstream, and ditch the toy Raspberries and their immature/unstable linux distros. I've had enough of Arm junk. The new nuc has 4 3.0 usb ports, a 2.5 GB LAN, and an NVME SSD. I'll be able to run makeMKV directly on it, avoiding the time to copy movies over ethernet.

@lovemadeinjapan

4 ай бұрын

A Pi with a 18TB HDD over USB, yikes! The Pi has some inferior USB3 controller, not up to this kind of stuff.

I miss the thumbs-down counter…l

Get rid of the stupid one word subtitles in the middle of the screen. If I need subtitles, I'll turn them on myself.

1 year later P still alive and prospering. Bet that 200 $ thing is nowhere near the now Pi5 sales 😂

I use a Raspberry PI 5 to run a laser engraver in the garage, not sure how a Zimmer board is going to end a PI, there is a major price difference and I am pretty sure not everyone uses a PI for sever applications.

Didn't get a quarter through the video. Unfortunately the cc overlay is more of a distraction than informative especially since you speak clear enough to not need it. Maybe I'll watch this later as it seems like it could be interesting.

please dont do that text in the middle its so hard to focus on the video

lol bro. Did you just roll outta bed?

The Pi stands it's ground because of software sells hardware. Just ask us emulation guys.

For 200$ You can get a amd ryzen 5600u apu + 16 ram + 500gb mini pc with hdmi $ usb and adapter etc etc

Completely different price market

Great rage bait title and thumbnail. I love how all the top comments clearly didn't watch the video.

Actual engineer here. I celebrate any affordable tech because i can see past my self centered world view.

found the idiot in the room

Double the physical size plus heating included. An unbiased review would have been comparing two Pi’s with a heat sync to one Zima. And the Pi would be still cheaper. 😀

Not yet as 2024 April Broh! Raspberry Pi got big community, which means fast developments and more supports.

This wasn't fair, I think he just hates the pi

I use my zima board with my raspberry pi 5. They work well together. I prefer pi over zima because zimaboard is powerful but the user base of pi is much much greater. I do like casaos need some improvements and the ability to reach it like home assistant..

clickbait punished you love to see it

Good video itself, but the title ruins it. Clickbait. And the author literally showed the most basic, bland use case. Pi hole is not the primary reason people get a Pi. They get a Pi for IoT projects and the 3rd party kits made for Pi, such as those made by RetroFlag. And yes it's clickbait. When the content itself contradicts the title, it's clickbait. And it's sad really, it's not a poorly made video, it's a video with no useful information. It's an Ad for a new sbc.

whats a CSS three cluster?

The raspberry pi 5 has 2x the performance of the Zima board. This video is a little old!

"the zimaboard does seem to come out ahead.." like its not 5x the price lmao ???

Voice did my head in after 4 seconds.

I personally just like having Android 14,Windows 11 Pro with Libreoffice in safe mode with the Graphics Acceleration turned off. I also have all my Berryboot OS's for Games and Linux OS's and I have another SD for FydeOS with Chrome and Android all in a Vilros Keyboard TouchPad Hub for a Stealthy Black C64 looking device that works with my Uperfect 15.6 " touch screen monitor. The support for Raspberry Pi is too great. Sorry. I love it. More than my Dell Latitude i7.

The Raspberry Pi shares the same bus between the usb and the network, which gives horrible performance for NAS. I wonder if the Zima is setup the same way?

@sylveswe

11 ай бұрын

Didn't they change that for the Pi4?

@theelectricmonk3909

9 ай бұрын

@@sylveswe Even if they did (and I don't know the answer), and even with the newly released Pi5 coming in at 2x (or better) performance than the Pi4 - it seems to me the Zima board would still make a better NAS - because it's got SATA and M.2 support, which the Pi does not. For pretty much every other use case, it seems to me the Pi has the Zima comprehensively beaten. I'd buy a Zima to make a NAS, but I'd buy 5 Raspberry Pi's just to play around with stuff.

@quademasters249

9 ай бұрын

@@theelectricmonk3909 PI5 has an exposed PCI-E lane so it can do NVME M.2. You just need a daughter card.

@theelectricmonk3909

9 ай бұрын

@@quademasters249 Oh, cool, didn't know that... RPi5 availability is almost nil here, so I've not looked into it much yet

@quademasters249

9 ай бұрын

@@theelectricmonk3909 Yeah it's not out yet. Lots of reviews on YT. Looks exciting.

This video didn't age well now that the Pi 5 specs and reviews are out.