I especially liked how you gently wiped the tears from the hook spanner after the deadblow treatment. Sensitivity and empathy are important traits.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

After the video I bought it ice cream.

I injoy the machine tool videos!

Just came across your channel. Good stuff, Wes. Good luck on the reassembly. Looking forward to the results and that first cut.

Great video! You tube has been doing a great job suggesting videos. Im just starting to learn about this stuff and it is incredibly helpful to see some talk through the machine measuring in a logical order with some experience to share. I have that books on machine measuring and it can be overwhelming sot down and read. Bonus points for scraping content as well. Keep up the good work!

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. There will be more to come.

I LIKE THE WARNING AT THE END...WELL DONE WES...

Wow, thank you for explaining how to get the spindle out like that! There is obviously a trick to it, and I just found this video that explains it propperly. And I like your videos, you have an easy to follow way of explaining things. And it comes through that you know what you are doing, in a good way. You explain things in a way it's easy to understand, and at the same time it's clear you know the deatils behind WHY it's like you say. And you do include details that show that you could go in to more details if you had to. Sometime I wish you did og deeper in to the details, and make linger videos. Your audience can clearly take linger videos than this. Just a hind for future videos.... And this one is the one who made me subscribe! Time do dive in to the rest of your videos to look for more like this.

This makes the problem with my lathe even more clear...it must be the bearings. Interesting that in your first video you were almost certain that there was no problem with the spindle bearings. Thanks again!

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

There is no one easier to fool than yourself!

@somebodyelse6673

6 жыл бұрын

There's different symptoms for worn bearings and damaged bearings. I think your first testing for bearing play correctly showed that simple bearing wear wasn't theproblem. Further examination revealed the actual problem, the damaged races. They didn't have excessive wear/play overall, just that uneven surface which let the spindle get jerked around depending on where the bearing balls contacted the races. Troubleshooting is definately a process...

Just wanted to say I like your videos...... Thank you.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone is watching and, hopefully, getting something out of it.

@Steve_Just_Steve

7 жыл бұрын

Wes I wouldn't worry man the channel is still pretty dang new in YT time, if you keep putting out your content the channel will grow no doubt. Your vids are interesting, shot in HD, you are easy to listen to and have a likable demeanor. Just keep being yourself and posting regularly like you have been. YT has made it so much harder to find good channels like yours, they're too busy pushing the latest dumb as fuck fake ass pranks, "how to get laid instantly by any random hot chick you've never met before by saying these two and a half words", miley circus music porn video or buzzfeed's sjw propaganda trash, but with a couple good shoutouts that I'm sure will happen from some the guys then more and more people will find ya buddy. Thanks for taking the time to shoot and post, don't think I could put up with worrying about the cam all the time plus the editing. I'm sure it can be a pain but it is much appreciated and imho time well spent.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

I skip over many steps in the video. I just can't film everything. Also, no one wants to watch me hammer on a bunch of gears for 6 hours, so I try to show the important steps and any little tricks I find that make things easier. Hopefully it works.

After seeing the disassembled state of yours I feel a little better about contending with the minuscule amount of gears by comparison on mine. Reassembly will make for another cool video. Thanks

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Most people are rightfully intimidated when they see a pile of gears and shafts. But, it's really not that hard to get it put back together correctly. In most cases, the engineers work hard to make sure things can only go together one way. They can't afford to hire PhDs to assemble these things.

I have to ask, what drove you from machine tool mechanic to working on automotive problems? You have a vast background in machine tools. You have said your dad works on automotive problems so it may be in the DNA. I do enjoy watching all the different videos.

@9:40 "Do not attempt this work if you are not qualified." Where to go for qualification... Very few places now-a-days. Blocks and wedges of hardwood help hold the shaft and gears firm when breaking loose the large nuts. Keeps the spanner from flying around.

Brinelling is caused by an overload of the bearing which leaves an impingement mark in the race way similar to a brinelle hardness test hense the name. Can be from a crash or improper installation like beating it in with a hammer. The other wear is spalling and/or abrasion and it more normal in an old bearing. It can be caused by a lack of lube, particles etc and time. Clean oil, new quality bearings and it will be better than when you bought it new i would think.

I actually groaned out loud when you spun the input shaft! The cause of all these bearing failure could just be very low quality bearings. Looks and sounds like car wheel bearings that are made of Chinesium which can fail within 10k miles. If there isn't one in there put a decent magnet in the box to slow the repeat of this situation.

Thanks Wes. You come across better than some of these other clowns

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I just try to show things as the really are.

good luck with it wes. look forward to the refit and testing.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Coming soon!

@ShoaibKhan-dv2jb

5 жыл бұрын

Thea.

May be you should have called this video " How to silence an Engine Lathe" I would think that after repair it almost will bee slient compared to what is was before. Nice video, thank you.

Thumbs up 👍 even the last note Warning!

Thanks for sharing. I have a CVA 1A English-made lathe (Monarch 10EE inspired). I will use your video to figure out if the bearings are problematic or not. Daniel

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Hopefully they are OK.

hi wes great video,i just did the same job on a dsg lathe of mine 2 months ago,be prepared them spindle bearings cost me more than i paid for the machine in the first place.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm prepared for that. List price is close to $3,000 for the three spindle bearings.

@mickocallaghan4896

7 жыл бұрын

yep their not cheap but if you have a friendly bearing supplier ask him to check other suppliers stock data base to see if there might be one lurking on a forgotten shelf somewhere in the world and try for a discount,my mantra is if you dont ask you wont get.

If you have an air needle gun to remove welding slag, when you had this apart I believe I would have put new needles in it and went around this paint lightly and any spot that flaked off i would have spent some time in that area removing paint flakes. No need to get carried away and needle all the paint off just the loose spots.

Wes in my last rebuild I put a Neodymium Magnet to to make sure that all the possible metals in the gearbox will be trap and could clean it every so often, just a thought. Have a good day.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

That's a really good idea. I ordered some magnets and will install one.

How did your main drive pulley wheel come off ? Im using the same puller you have @ 9:01 and bent the yoke. did you have to heat it or......?

I did a similar refurb on an older TOS lathe years ago. The new spindle bearings (aerospace grade) were $700 each then. Ouch. Hate to think what the price would be now. Second guessing the way it all goes together from just a sectional view drawing is always fun ;)

@WatchWesWork

6 жыл бұрын

New cost on good bearings is about twice that much now.

I’m having a hell of a time getting the spindle out of my Victor 20X40. It’s hard to tell if the bearings inner races are tapered or pressed on. Is there any way to tell?

good vid, i am looking at buying a lathe so at least i know i need to spend the money and buy one that is in perfect condition instead of the time rebuilding a worn one, unless its cheap as chips.

@WatchWesWork

6 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a used machine is perfect condition. But, most are better than this one...

A cool trick Wes, for loosening spanner nuts on geared shafts like you had to do. If there are any gears still in mesh? Put a penny between them. It will lock the shaft up, without hurting anything. Maybe you didn't have any gears meshing? And, that is why it was free-wheeling. Couldn't tell. Your way worked fine. But, I have been up against a few that fought a little harder. The penny worked every time.

@WatchWesWork

5 жыл бұрын

I wish I had that kind of money to throw around...

@wheelieking71

5 жыл бұрын

@@WatchWesWork I hear ya!!!

Thanks for the vid! Nasty looking bearings. Did they make any noises while spinning? Do you still think the headstock is out of align causing the taper? If the bearings were still tight they should not cause the taper. Interesting if they still did, however?

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, the bearings did make some noise. It was hard to know what the cause of the noise was until I removed all the gears that contact the spindle. Once I isolated the spindle in the last video, it was obvious that there was a problem with the bearings. I think the taper is just a matter of adjusting the headstock. It's adjustable like a CNC lathe.

Very nice job Wes, when I did mine just the front spindle bearings got replaced and they were also damaged due to the machine setting and condensation build up in the head stock, at least that is what it looks like to me.Had any luck finding replacement?

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, new bearings are on the way. I found all of them NOS on ebay. We should be able to put things back together next week. I'm not sure if there was contamination or they were just poor quality bearings. Probably a bit of both.

@SteveSummers

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, the front one looked as if it was crash damage/ poor quality and worn but that rear one in the bottom race looked like it had some corrosion issues, like you said probably both. Keep up the good work, your channel looks like it is doing good. all the best Steve Summers

Now this channel look promising hands down! I am sure +Abom79 will upload something my morning time to start my day with and after that I will binge watch your channel. Like it already, thumbs up :o)

Don't overlook an electrical problem. Bad ground from the motor or to the mains or maybe using a welder on the lathe. I would look into grounding the motor shaft especially if your using a VFD. I know it's a little late but good luck.

That's so funny You mentioned Chinese bearings...most likely they were made and installed either out of spec or contaminated with silica. From either casting sand or just a lack of a clean room ....I've purchased common bearing sizes in China but they never hold up like other countries bearings....you get what you pay for...rings true.

Dang this thing is as bad or worse than our Sidney. I wish you were there to help.

So my clausing 5900 15x48 uses micro precision gamet tappered roller bearings. The way everything looks. It looks just like your lather from the outside. I’m guessing it uses a ground spacer as well to set the preload. If I wanted to tighten up that bearing set (since they are tapered and not roller) could I get that ring ground a couple thou shorter ?

@WatchWesWork

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you could. You might want to find a manual for your machine and see if it has any information on spindle bearing setup. Most tapered roller bearing sets have an adjustment procedure.

i see KZreadrs using dead blow hammers to set stock in the chuck.. i seem to recall seeing people tap the chuck spin lock ring levers with hammers to snug them up or get them loose.. Super Magnets in the headstock oil to keep any metal particles out of the oil. and out of the circulation system. you won't believe the lack of color change of the oil when you do it. there won't be much as the super fine metal particles will all be stuck to the super magnets. you might want to have a dial type inch pound torque wrench to set the bearing preload when reassembling and adjusting the machine.. too much preload and you will overheat the bearings as no oil can get between the rollers.. too little and the bearings get sloppy.. there may be settings for break away from a stop torque.. and rotating torque. too little and it deflects.. just thinking there is another reason the bearings are torn up... excessive time with the cutting tool Howling.. can't think of what they call it.. gets into harmonics.. leaves a chatter pattern on the work piece.. please be sure that you do all your cleaning before you start to reassemble. there is a video of an asian engine builder that during assembly they use stones to debur some of the surfaces ... i just cringed.. well theres a motor that will probably fail horribly..

Sometime tools need to be shown who’s boss 😂

Hi sir, can i ask a question, what is the name of the above machine?

What if *you* are the tool?

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think any authority can help me...

This thing ain't a tool room anything, its a jobbing lathe. 3 thou wear in the bed? How did you figure that one? By the looks of it, it is pretty good condition mid age machine. Put your new bearings in, adjust the gibs and use it. Oh and stop telling me how great American machinery is, I have worked on lots of it and in a lot of cases it is pretty ordinary.

i may be 3 months lathe to the party (pun intended) but you have to sandblast the headstock and epoxy coat it. That shit paint on the inside is planned obsolescence my friend. good luck and keep us updated!

@WatchWesWork

6 жыл бұрын

I used a needle scaler to clean out the old paint. It worked OK.

Is it hard to find these bearings that aren't Chinese?

@WatchWesWork

6 жыл бұрын

No. You can buy good quality bearings from Timken, SKF, Fafnir, NSK, etc that are made in USA, Italy, Sweden, France, Japan, etc. You get what your pay for with bearings.

Gulp !

Saturday Night live skit

You are supposed to hold the spanner with your hand when you wack it with a hammer. Real men do :-)

If I see something dirty I don't believe in good job. Looks like You you are a messy guy.

first AND second !!

I'd already had it apart and back together.

Great video, your lathe is the first I've seen of a Chinese lathe in this size. What a pile of $#!T, the craftsmanship is horrible. Thanks for showing, makes me appreciate the lathe I have...Hopefully the bearings aren't too costly, and lucky you can do the work yourself, cause that would cost a bundle if you were paying by the hour...wait, actually I guess you're paying with time...(plus materials).

@Steve_Just_Steve

7 жыл бұрын

If it was a complete pile of shit I don't think he would be working on it in hopes to possibly keep for himself even if just temporarily. He seems pretty competent as far as the condition and capabilities of machine tools. He went over his overall thoughts on this lathe in the last vid. It's a chinese lathe, but seems rather ridgid. I have 2 Leblond servo shifts, a 15x54 and a 19" HD "tool room" model and being a 64' it's got a few of it's own corks as most lathes do.

@TraditionalToolworks

7 жыл бұрын

I certainly didn't mean to imply Wes is not competent, he certainly is. What does that have to do with the quality of this lathe? After enough time invested even if you do the work yourself, it still costs you time. Wouldn't take long if he was billing his time out to just buy another lathe. And you're probably right, if it was a complete pile of $#!T it would be hard for him to justify his time that he's investing. We can agree to disagree on the quality, but my guess is you would see quite a difference in your Leblond Lathes when you open the headstock. Quirks and craftsmanship are 2 different things.

@WatchWesWork

7 жыл бұрын

You certainly get what you pay for. As I said in the original video, this machine has some nice features. It's just worn out and needs to be repaired. It's never going to be a Monarch or Schaublin, but there's no reason to scrap it. Buying another used machine is a total crap shoot. When this machine is repaired, I'll know exactly what I have.

@Steve_Just_Steve

7 жыл бұрын

TraditionalToolworks, I wasn't saying that you were talking Wes down and I for sure wasn't saying that anything from china can compare with old American iron, but it would dumb to say good parts cannot be made on this lathe in good working order. I just wanted to point out that he made a video with his assessment of this lathe in which he was kinda thinking out loud in order to share with us his "debate with himself" on whether or not this machine was worth his time and effort to repair.

@TraditionalToolworks

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with making it better. I was merely commenting on the quality of the machine in general. I commend you on the diagnostic and repair work you're doing, and hope it's cost effective for the bearings. I know some get pricey. Certainly didn't mean anything condescending, and appreciate the exposure to such a machine in case I come across one first hand at some point. Although if I do it won't be mine, that much I can say with certainty.