Great video! Thanks for making a fair, unbiased electric vs petrol video. We need more content like this.

@visordown

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@gmy33

Жыл бұрын

indeed we don't need fanboy vids ..:-)

The versys can easily get you 1000km in a day on nothing but petrol and coffee breaks. The electric one can take you maybe 500 if you are prepared to spend nearly half your day twiddling your thumbs next to a charging station. Yo u need to plan your route to pass charging stations...(the little beautiful mountain villages of Europe aren't known for their fast charger network btw) the capacity and infrastructure of electric bikes aren't even close to sufficient for a long tour through the mountains of Europe. Claiming it even comes close to a versys should require you to do a 1500mile trip with a buddy on the versys and you in the Energica. Spoiler alert it will suck for both off you since the Versys rider will be waiting for you to be road ready for hours a day🤣

@jaytate491

2 жыл бұрын

Ive done 2200 miles while working and visiting a wedding in 5 days on my bmw rt. I would have missed the wedding on an ev.

Long tour? No contest the Versys is the only choice for doing distance.

@OrlandoRick

2 жыл бұрын

It really depends. 500 mile days in remote locales, the Versys gas usage works best. More leisurely touring in areas with CCS chargers (most of USA and lower Canada) doing about 300-450 miles a day - then the Experia offers a real EV alternative. Sure not perfect and route compromises are necessary, but personally, my wife and I, rarely do more than 300 miles a day - like to take it easy and enjoy the locale.

@MaverickAus

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrlandoRick 1000 km in a day, easy on the Versys (I've done it on my ZRX1200 and 900 km on my Versys 650). Being honest how long would it take on the EV? At least 2 days I'm sure. In Australia you would run out of power somewhere and not come across a charging station or it would be out of order, or it would be in use with a line up. Give it 20 years, maybe.

@dennisnl7125

2 жыл бұрын

2 days???? Why? You never take a break while touring? While stopping: charge

@OrlandoRick

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaverickAus 1000 km? That's 621 miles right? Assuming 160 miles that would be four legs. You leave charged, so three charging stops. So about 12-ish hours of riding plus 3 1-hour stops. So 15 hours? Doable, even if I would not want to. My personal comfort limit is about 400 miles a day (Orlando to Key West). My ass can't take much more and I get tired. ;-) But in the Australian wilderness, of course the right vehicle would be gas-powered. The infrastructure isn't there yet. Not sure about 20-years... wasn't Australia the first to test CCS stand-alone diesel-powered charging stations to see how they would setup electric corridors? They seem to be thinking ahead down there.

@jl9161

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennisnl7125 yeah find that charger up in the twisties... More chargers than trees anyways... Point of touring for me is going to beautiful remote mountain areas. I have never seen a charger there... You would find a petrol station about every 200km easily though.

Volts is tension, not power. Absolutely love the instant torque and regen braking...all by the roll of the throttle.....no ice bike can delivery that, which is the reason im very surprised about your engine rating. When travelling with an EV you keep it between 10%-80% because charging above 80% is significantly slower. In that window the Experia charges in 25-30mins.....perfect for a coffee and a pee.

No contest for myself. VERSYS all day long 👍

@ralphwarom2514

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. I don't want to be afraid of range when I'm touring.

@gmy33

Жыл бұрын

for me the other way around . no contest .. finally an electric bike with enough range and fast charging .. I can deal with this .. and it just too much fun too drive !!!

Very good and carefully done comparison! I think your handling and fun factor grades really points out the key secret of electric motorcycles -- they simply ride better and offer more pleasure in the twisters. No heat, no gears, on-demand torque and regen. Good calls overall. I hope to get my Experia (on order) this December. In the U.S. the price difference is less than half than what you have in the U.K. We also have a 10% government rebate on the Energica, making them much closer in price.

@visordown

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, Rick. Enjoy the Experia when you get it in December! Energica did also note that the US market will have the cheapest initial price point for the Experia in the world.

If you do multi-state tours in the US, a 600 - 700 mile day is not unusual. Given the range limitation of the electric, it would be a poor choice with a quick charge taking an hour every 160 miles.

If it wasn’t for price I’d go for the Experia, but nearly £30,000 is a lot of money even if you will save on the Fuel.

@RedBatteryHead

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. Pricing structure is hard. US is better in dollar. But the GBP price is even higher than the EU one.

@majordelays4909

Жыл бұрын

@@RedBatteryHead standard!

I don't like any of them really. If I had to choose it would be the versys

The luggage on the Energica experia is givi, the design is over 6 years old.

3:50 Please don't measure 'power' in volts... That is totally incorrect. (Electrical) power is measured in watts, and is the product of voltage and current. I am also perplexed you just glared over the most obvious issue with electric motorcycles, namely the fueling. Everywhere you go you can find petrol, but good luck finding electric charging points whilst you do your touring, especially in non-northwest European countries, smaller towns, etc. All of the other points just don't matter if you have 'charging anxiety' or have to adjust/plan your route to the availability of fast charging... You lose all the freedom which is exactly what makes motorcycles so great. Additionally, what about that horrendous charging time, especially twice a day. Their '420km range' is quoted at 100% charge (i.e. charging times become even longer than their quoted at 'city' speeds and quickly drops to just about 210ish km with normal riding. Doing 600km in a day is nothing special for true touring, which would mean two times charging during the day (and 1 charge over night wherever you stay). Plus the range will only get worse with time when the batteries degrade. I am an electrical engineer, and I love progress, but the whole concept of electric motorcycles for touring doesnt make sense to me with current technology. Currently I feel electric is doable if you live in a city and use it for commuting, but trying to do touring with an electric motorcycle is quite frankly daft. Unless you count a trip to the next city over as 'touring'. As for the price of electricity, for that 10k pound extra, even with todays terrible gas prices, I can get 5400 liters of petrol. That's enough for roughly 135k km... I am sure if you have driven that many km on the energica, you are way past the 1200 cycles life time of the battery, which is undoubtedly an expensive replacement. So no, versys is still a vastly cheaper option even if you take into account fuel.

@ralphwarom2514

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. In my country power even goes off from time to time. Lol. Petrol is still more reliable than electric for a few decades more.

@DJPTEXAS

2 жыл бұрын

TRUTH......

@georgepelton5645

2 жыл бұрын

While touring with an electric bike is a different experience, it can make sense for some people. Most will want to stick with combustion though. Zero DSR owners have ridden across multiple continents. It is a different experience, allowing more time to see things along the way. Bicycle touring does this as well, to an even greater degree, and of course some people have ridden across continents on their bicycles. I would not consider any of that to be daft. It can be very fun and memorable experience. As for the battery life, note that even at 210 km range, traveling 135,000 km is only 643 cycles of the 1200 cycle rating.

Need to do an actual back to back test, not virtual. Same route, same conditions and preferably swapping bikes.

I'd like to see this compared to the Suzuki GSX-S1000 GT+ and the Yamaha FJR1300 now.

$10000 more for a bike that you can't really for on or drive the roads that you would like to. You forgot to mention a couple of very important things: resale value and insurance cost.

Great review, shame about the annoying music.

What is the point to do electric touring motorbike with all this Battery 🔋 limitations. That's clearly doesn't make sense 😕. Gr8 video thats all

No mention of pollution factor between versys and Experia , a bid factor between ev and ice

@jamesbrown8173

6 ай бұрын

To clarify that for you in 10 years time the ev will be on a heap and all the resources to build shop and supply another one have been used again along with the toxic waste from the battery (that don't get recycled). The verseys will be getting ridden by its 3rd or 4th owner and with propper maintenance will do another couple of decades.

Compare the actual range riding 2-up with luggage at 70 mph. That Experia wouldn't make it more than 100 miles. EV range is like fools gold. It promises way more than it delivers and you better read the fine print disclaimer. Take published EV range and divide in half and that becomes usable range without special restrictions. Unlike EV my Versys does not lose any power as the fuel level approaches reserve and at that point I still have another 40 miles to spare. Rarely is there ever a situation where the next fuel stop is further than 20 miles away. With EV out in rural area if you're not careful you are likely to have to cower up to someone's door to ask permission to plug-in. If approached such homeowner should state. "Sure for $150 or you better call for a tow."

I LOVE MY VERSYS 1000 SE !!!!! ;-))

No thanks. Not enough range, and to much time wasted charging for the touring I do.

Fair play to the electric bike being so close to the Kawasaki. Unfortunately, at £10,000 more it is just too far away on price. Maybe at £5,000 more, it would be a very close call. Still a valiant effort for an EV.

@OrlandoRick

2 жыл бұрын

In the U.S. when you take into account the 10% U.S. tax credit for EV bikes; they are both almost the same price $19k Versys, Energica $23,750 - $10% tax credit or $21,500-ish. That's a $2,500 or so price difference between both bikes. On top of that, some states have additional EV incentives that may lower the effective price difference even more. NOTE: I did this wrong. The Versys is actually closer to $20k w/ Trunk here and the Experia with bags (Launch Edition) is more like $26k. So the price difference is actually more like $4k. Still lower than the UK though.

@mikadavies660

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrlandoRick Wow! Good deals in America.... In the UK the government has pulled all of its EV incentives. No tax credits either. Ferk all...!! It used to me around 2,000 incentive in 2021.... Clearly they know that the infrastructure in UK is totally shit.... So they want to slow down the purchases of all EV's. To late... As car EV's are everywhere. No-one in UK will have money for a £27,000 bike as our petrol prices has nearly doubled in the last 12 months. Gas & Electricity has increased by 300% and is due to hit 400% before Christmas!! Food bills have also doubled in 12 months. So the average person is on their knees heading towards being bankrupt....

@ddennis669

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrlandoRick I agree the price in the states is closer. Energica lists the Experia Launch Model at $25,880 and the Versys is $18399 (without the $298 rear trunk, so $18,697). This puts the pre-freight/delivery charge and pre-tax price difference at $7,183. Much less than the £10,000 GBP listed in the video (I think that would be over $12,000 USD at this time). For those not in the USA and curious, delivery costs and taxes can vary significantly in the USA, based on locality. Regarding the Incentives, I believe the US Federal Tax Credit ended after 2021 and the renewal was included in the never passed "Build Back Better" legislation, having been rejected by Senator Manchin. However, if you are in California you may still be able to find an after tax reduction of $2500. I think we still have the California Clean Fuel Reward of $750 and the Clean Vehicle Rebate Program may bring the price down by another $750 (although the Experia is not specifically listed yet). Some local utilities have a $1000 tax rebate for EV motorcycles (in the San Joaquin Valley, the Central Coast and possibly others regions). For me and some other Californians, that makes the difference only $4,683. Additionally we have really expensive gasoline prices and DC Fast Chargers are generally within range. Depending on the the cost of electricity vs. gasoline and the savings in maintenance costs, I could anticipate a break even point on the total cost of ownership somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000 miles. This puts more weight on the other performance based issues the video address. I am looking forward to the adventure of seeing where I can go with an EV.

The Electrics are similar to the early PC age. What you bought this morning was obsolete by noon. Given time they’ll be fantastic. I just wonder how hard it’ll be to give up the combustion life.

@gmy33

Жыл бұрын

i ve been riding electric mx for 7 years now ..and finally can commute and travel on this Expedia .. will never drive ice again !! finally !!! I just like electric .. and I know others don't .. so each to their own I guess .. just sayin ..

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Love the concept of electric bikes and I'm all for helping with the environment but they need to price these more competitively to conventional bikes.

@dennisnl7125

2 жыл бұрын

Talk to the battery makers.... The bikes are normal priced, the batteries are expensive.

@loconinja7046

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennisnl7125 Good point 👍

There is NO sensible case for an ev especially as a ^touring^ vehicle.

Sees the price of the Versys 1000: Way too expensive for what it is. Sees the price of the Experia: WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!???? 😱

@OrlandoRick

2 жыл бұрын

Far gone are the days of the $7,999 touring bike fully loaded.

$33g's American for the Energica?!?!?!? Not a chance, don't care how competent it is.

You wouldn't need government incentives If the product was better then the former but it's not

Your statement about minimal price difference if paid in monthly statements is completely false. A 10K difference in price equates to 800 per year in payments at at 8% finance rate. That difference will buy you about 500 liters of fuel that equals about 10K km per year on the Versys. Then the added depreciation expense of the Experia considering the battery warranty is only 3 years. Who in right mind will buy one used except at enormous discount. EV motorcycles are for those who can't ride much more than an hour before they start craving more soy and quality time on their mobile device to falsely pronounce how they are saving the world from global climate change catastrophe.

That skewed fisheye camera angle from above the top box. made me want to turn off the video. Adds no value at all. Cant see the bike, its jerky. No thanks

You can only charge electrics to 80 percent safely without major battery degradation. This means your actual normal range isnt near as high as listed. Its marketing. Once solid state batteries get out in bikes the script will flip for range plus price and performance.

@visordown

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite true... from talking to the company, the battery range that Eneriga claim is based on an 80% charge - not 100%

@RH-xm5uk

Жыл бұрын

You can safely charge the Energica's to 100%. The battery is actually larger than 100%. There's no degradation from fully charging.

@kannermw

Жыл бұрын

Lithium ion tech dates back to 1960s and not commercialized until 1990's. Solid state batteries are not likely to be commercially practical for at least another 10-20 years so it is pointless to suggest such nonsense.

Can't understand a word of it, sounds like they are under water

Why are people so stupid and ignorant when it comes to the production of batteries and how damaging lithium mines are to the environment

@DJPTEXAS

2 жыл бұрын

Because they are brainwashed sheeple.......

Kawasaki all the way, electrical is nothing to even think about. We already have to much waste to handle in the world, we dont need more battery to recycle. The Kawasaki will be around for years.

The Versys 1000 is one of the best motorcycles you can ride, only the weight and size can place some people aside, but hey it's a big adventure bike. It's got a smooth powerful engine and a huge range. The electric one has a range that's enough to ride for what? 2 hours? And then? Sit and wait all day for it to recharge? Is that something fun? Ride 2 hours and sit all day? And what about the price? Do you really find it worthwhile? Honestly, wouldn't be much easier to say you was paid or forced to say good things about the electric bike.

Radar assisted Cruise control; ? ? ? ? Don't we all have a brain for driving ? ? ?

Electric vehicles are all proprietary and you can't mob them yourself you don't even really own your own vehicle

I like the visual design of the Energica to be honest..would prefer hybrid for now if possible. Willatick to regular engines though , but even I feel the change in the wind for electric engines.

Energica easy win