Mother come back please I'm not ready to say goodbye

"Flow" destroys me, every time

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

ME TOO. I have probably watched others go through The Mothercrystal dozens of times and I still cry like a big fat baby. Amanda's vocals and Soken's wizardry are absolute magic!

I didn't want her to die. At this point I was in a discord call with friend, playing with them while trying to lead six other randos, with all of us doing this for the first time. I teared up having to see her die. The only words my friend could say were, "What have we done?"

I remember playing it on release, and watching all the big time XIV streamers do it. Basically everyone cracked at calling her Venat one last time, her tearing up from it, and calling us her little pogchamps as she died. Sfia had to cut his camera off and get up for a minute afterwards.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Aw, that's awesome! I'd love to catch someone going through it live! I remember going back and watching the ones posted right after I'd finished Endwalker, and I cried right along with them all over again.

@WeisseningBlitz

7 ай бұрын

@@elibbabats If you/re still keen on catching others progress through Endwalker, the boys over at Grinding Gear ( www.youtube.com/@Amovetv ) just recently got to Elpis. And while the holidays and other RL things have halted their journey for the moment, it could also give you some time to watch their older vids to catch up on their reactions, thoughts on various events, and occasionally humorous speculations about what might come next. Garrett in particular has been pretty sus about Hydaelyn, so it'll be interesting to see his response to this part when they do get there probably sometime in January.

Hydaelyn started out in the story as a benevolent benefactor for us to help the world, and we depended on her blessing to keep us safe, it made us the Warrior of Light. all these years we took it for granted and she faded into the background while the bigger issues with nations and war cropped up, then we ventured to the first to stop a rejoining and learned about how she was a primal just as Zodiark was. We learned about who the Ascians were and what it meant for Emet-Selchs true goal. They masterfully tricked into hating him and then forgiving him, though which is the real trick I am still unsure of. Then Endwalker shows us not only was Hydaelyn not just sitting around doing nothing, she was preparing for this the entire time. She has lived countless millennia, all to make it here. She was our friend, before she was our savior and loving mother figure. She knew all about us, and waited so long to see us again. God it wrenches my heart apart, its written so well. I look forward to seeing how well you handled ultima thule, since I cant go there without crying, I am sure you fared no better.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Gosh, that was all so beautifully put!

When she says her works is finished, takes me back at emmet explaining when people retire to return to the star and then She saying in that conversation scene that as long as people need help she cannot return.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

I'M GONNA CRY ALL OVER AGAIN. ToT I STILL NEED MOM. I take it all back! :P

@criticaljohnson

10 ай бұрын

@@elibbabats Yeah, exactly. Back in Elpis, Emet just sort of thought that her refusing to return to the star was a weird Azem thing. But she explains that she loves the people of the world so much that she can't allow herself to die until she knows we will all be okay without her help. And then, at this moment, when all of her plans have come to fruition and she knows she can entrust the fate of everything to you, she knows her time has finally come. After thousands of years of guiding the fate of the world to this moment, all by herself, her work is finally done. She deserves her rest...

You have no idea how much tears I have shed when I first saw this. You deserve a big hug Bats!

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

You too! We all do! All of Hydaelyn's children. ToT Such a powerfully emotional moment to experience as a community!

I was sus of momma when endwalker began. By the time this scene hit though, I was broken watching her move on. It was heartbreaking, peaceful, and encouraging, all at once.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

I felt the same way!!! There was a BIG part of me that thought they were going to make Hydaelyn the actual bad guy of the story, and I was getting more and more worried as things went on. Once we got to Elpis, and then on to meeting her in the Aetherial Sea, I was an emotional wreck. I love having experienced the absolute rollercoaster that this game is, lol.

@pumpkingamebox

Жыл бұрын

Jebaited us hard they did. Although since the last 2 expansions are dealing with pretty heavy existential and ethical themes. You absolutely can make a case that Venat did a pretty bad thing genociding… sorry, sundering her people. And she did so because of her own self-righteous beliefs. Unlike Emet who was trying to save his people… what I’m saying is Emet’s genocides were more altruistic in nature than that of Venat. I’ve had plenty of debates on these topics. It’s pretty fun.

@crazy13alex

10 ай бұрын

​​​@@pumpkingamebox Altruistic to his people, not to the lives newly born. By the end of Elpis, it was clear that Emet-Selch was never getting that world back even without Hydaelyn's meddling. At least Venat was altruistic to life on Etheirys as a whole, no matter what form it took. While Emet-Selch couldn't or didn't care to even acknowledge his hypocrisy, Venat owned up to her mistakes. Although he did acknowledge at the end, that he wouldn't have gotten as far as Ultima Thule even with Zodiark and Etheirys whole.

@pumpkingamebox

10 ай бұрын

@@crazy13alex Is being more altruistic to your people a bad thing? Every (good) politician MUST look out for his people more. And if another country suffers for the happiness of your people, that’s only wrong from the sufferers point of view. We also don’t know if Emet would have truly failed in returning back his world. They did already come up with mass genocide of lesser life before the sundering. We’re doing the same irl with our entire food sector. Sure, going to the edge of the universe could have been hard, and impossible if Venat wouldn’t disclose the mark she left on Metion. But they could have Zodiark continue protecting them without any more sacrifices. As he has done being imprisoned for millennia after the sundering. So I completely disagree with you on what could and could not have been done if Venat didn’t interfere. Didn’t acknowledge his hypocrisy? Lmao! You played through ShB right? He absolutely knew his hypocrisy, that’s why he was in such deep denial about it. Making excuses that we are such lesser life forms that we aren’t even alive, and so on. But even if he did fully acknowledge it, would that have stopped him from killing us to return his people? I think not. Leaders and soldiers of different nations can be sympathetic to each other despite going to war. To Emet, his old friends were more important to him than this low level cancer Hydelyn has spread. To WoL the scions and the new life was more important than Emet’s boomers. And so we have this ethically fair clash at the end of ShB. Oh, and he could completely return people. Since all 3 unsundered were trying so hard to bring back Zodiark, it stands to reason they had a way of extracting souls from Zodiark to be among the living once more. Therefore half of all Asians ever was essentially in a coma inside Zodiark. WoL defeating the 3 unsundered in that way was technically genocide, since were dooming the Ascians to be forever stuck inside Zodiark. Venat owned up to her mistakes? She owned up to the fact that she ended a civilization against its own will? I don’t remember that sentiment. She was honestly a weirdly written character. They meant for her to be super likable, to the point that the player should just accept her actions that followed. But that instead would be hypocritical of us and WoL as a character. It feels more like the writers wrote themselves into a corner in ShB and had to bend many rules in EW to get out of it and finish the story, come hell or high water. I discovered a lot of video essays on the subject of her actions and the writing. I’m interested in what they might say, and maybe you’d be interested too. Though, disclaimer, they naturally skew more to my opinion. Since it’s controversial to think of Venat being in the wrong.

@sarietdiaz3913

10 ай бұрын

I never doubted hydaelyn idk why but I always believe in her specially after we found out her true name I always knew she was guiding us like there was no way she had played us the whole time

Every time fourchenault asks if we're prepared, the characters say yes, but the players say noooo

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Collectively, we as a player-base were NOT OKAY, lmao. You could just feel that something monumental was going to happen! And happen it did... :'(

since we veteran players are literally emotional vampires this was good eatin :D hope you get well soon and have a blast of a time further ingame! (and keep feedin us well :3 )

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

It is my pleasure to provide, as I too am a feaster of MSQ emotional turmoil, haha! I looove watching other people go through it! Honestly, The Mothercrystal doesn't even compare to the ugly-crying-waterfalls that Ultima Thule produced. I hope all the fellow vampires will enjoy, lol.

Let me drop some extra context using info from Shadowbringers for Hydaelyns final words, about the "words of the crystals original bearer." We know from Hythlo's shade in Amourot that the crystal was made in secret, after Azem defected. That's why it only contains 1 spell that embodies their spirit, and no memories. So the words could only come from the one who created crystal, and that was more than likely Emet. It makes the line hit a little harder for me.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Ohhhhhhhh my gosh, that's got me tearin' UP RIGHT NOW. ;-; I never really thought of it that way! I really would like to go back and replay all of MSQ with post-Endwalker eyes. I know for a fact that I missed so much/things went over my head because of Streamer-Brain. AHHHH. I love this story SO much. ToT Thanks for sharing!

@starofaetherius

Жыл бұрын

@@elibbabats when everything is said and done i highly recommend seeing clips from other playthroughs or even doing New Game+ yourself for that experience. Its what i did and now all of the story and lore is burned into my noggin lol

I love how they left clues to doubt Hydaelyn in Shadowbringers, maybe she had ulterior motives? Maybe she was evil? No, the answer was simple: she has always loved us like no other

@1337penguinman

2 ай бұрын

After you kill Zodiark that flash where Meteon says "at last" all evil like? I legit thought that was Hydalyn's voice. Especially since Shadowbringers kinda made you think that maybe light isn't all good and darkness isn't all evil.

Exact same reaction for the end. I had been crying immediately after you beat her but started sobbing at "we will find our way Venat" I completely lost it at "of this I have no doubt, for yours is a light brilliant beyond measure." and was just unable to do anything afterwards despite the fact I had to go to work. My heart hurt. :'D I still cry at that scene everytime I see it, my god. :'D Of course Flow didn't help any, that song is crazy powerful. That scene.... The pain we all felt to see our mother die was immeasurable. 😢

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Mom just has a way with words, doesn't she ToT

I feel ya Bats I saw that part a couple of times now and it still makes me tear up

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

It's like every part of your journey came full circle at that point. It hit me so hard in the feels when I thought about my first days playing FFXIV and meeting all the awesome people through streaming it on Twitch. Venat is genuinely one of my favorite characters in this game. I loved the story-telling the crafter with her/Hydaelyn.

"Has your journey been good? Has it been worthwhile?" 😭

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

WAAAAAAAAAAAAH :'( :'( :'(

Watching this part again makes me cry again and then you crying too makes me cry even more about it. Endwalker by far the best part of the story of 14

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

It is totally the most emotional story in a game I've ever experienced in my life. Thank you for watching! We cry together, haha!

Aww, picked "gloating" Amon option haha. If you're interested, you should check out #3 at the inn. No one I've seen has picked #2. I might have to check it out to see what he says, since the other two are choice specific.

I usually don't cry at media, and didn't cry when I didn't the trial. BUT, seeing your reaction made my cry a little. excited to see the rest :)

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Wow! That's an honor to read, truly! I'm glad to share my journey just as much as I am to watch other people go through theirs. Thank you so much for watching!

I lost my mom a year before Endwalker came out. This part DESTROYED me.

It was gratifying. That she finally felt ready to go back to the star. After so long, she's earned her rest. It was up to us now.

@tenjenk

6 ай бұрын

Yeah a key point was what she said back on the parapits in the ancient world, why she still stuck around after being expected to return to the star was her worries about whether "man can find their own way" when shes gone and how she cannot let go until she is sure. Thats our final words to her, one of true solace for her and her chosen purpose, why she remained for so long helping and helping

That one dialogue option is the only time in the game where I'll ever say there's really only one right option to pick. Imagine consigning yourself to a dozen millennia of loneliness and pain, forced to watch the people you love go through strife and misery that you know that you have subjected them to, all because you cannot let go and rest until you are *sure* that they have found their way. Time and time again, you put your faith in adventurers and now and again a reflection of Azem is among them and you ask yourself if *this* is the one you made a promise to all those long years ago, only for them to simply pass by or fail. Then finally--*finally*--one of them shows up and proves themselves to possess the power to move forward. Then they call you not by your divine title, but by your name and they tell you that it's okay; that they'll find their way. And you believe them. After uncountable lifetimes of solitude and solemn duty, you can finally just rest. Emet also went through something similar, though a bit different. You know the walk at the end of Ultima Thule? Where you're so tired but you keep moving forwards out of duty and necessity anyways, both haunted and encouraged in equal measure by voices of the past--voices from people that you have both failed to save or that you are trying to save. Now imagine doing that for more than ten thousand years and you've got what Emet went through. The mere idea of such a thing horrifies me. And yet at the end of it all, he can rest easy. Because of you.

@elibbabats

11 ай бұрын

WAAAAAAAH 😭😭😭😭 Oh my gosh reading your comment just brought another wave of feels for these characters! They’re my favorite!!! If I could just shake Ishikawa’s and the thre rest of the writers hands… the writing is just SO good. I freaking adore the parallel with Emet. 😭

When I saw her and realized she had a working framework I gasped. “They’re really gonna make us kill Momma Hydie!” I was upset

Yet another! Keep it up! Love your videos!

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!! That means a lot to me! I'm so happy to share my experience with whoever wants to watch!

I liked the third option for Fandaniel, it gave me closure with the dialogue afterwards.

Crystal Mom been playing the 4d chess long game, just so we'd have the chance to stop the Final Days.

for all of allies in the Aitiascope, all but Minfillia are "memories" their souls had moved on, yet their memories of us remain to help us and Minfillia waits here to help us one last time. and for Hydaelyn either we passed her test and she died while entrusting the power to reach the Meteia to us or we failed, the rest of people had to evaculate, and she dies along with Etheirys there is no outcome that she would live pass this disaster

PRELUDE THE SONG WE'VE HEARD A HUNDRED TIMES IN THIS SERIES BUT THE ONE TIME IT MADE ME CRY

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

RIGHT?! LIke DAMN, the timing of that song and the full circle it made… 😭😭😭😭

the LTTP intro had me triple-take as I was walking away for a second of my binge watching to get some water, just throwing out that at least one person immediately recognized it!

@elibbabats

11 ай бұрын

Lol!!! I’ve been waiting for some kindred soul to point that out! 😂 Alttp is one of my favorite games EVER so if there’s an opportunity for a good alttp sound effect, I’m gonna use it!

It was so epic to be able to do this fight with your trust buddies.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

It was! It just felt extremely right! After all the battles we fought over the years, it was only right to do such an important one together! :D

As a guy i just pushed through. Only broke down till about the half way through the final map.

after all these years, was this answer i was hoping for?

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

OOF. That line hit me so hard in Ultima Thule, too! ;-;

Such a fun ride. ^^

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

THE BEST RIDE. I can't wait to see where the ride takes us next! :D

I did the same but quietly inside. I just tried to shrug it off and continue with the next quest but I couldn't. I just turned off the game lmfao

Have you listened to the live version of flow yet? Only in emergency, break that glass.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

I have. I sobbed. 😂

I am once again come - asking you for your tears strummer.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

Well, you're in luck for there are PLENTY. And this is just a taste of what is to come in future videos, lmao. Ty for watching!

This is what vexes me. Venat used up all her soul to serve as Hydelyn, she will never be reborn. But Hermes? Who caused so many problems in many of his lifetimes will continue to be reborn to cause further chaos? Bruh.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

I didn't realize, or hadn't heard that Hydaelyn's soul couldn't be reborn until I read this, so I looked it up and now I'm devastated all over again. :'( THIS IS THE MOST TRAGIC THING EVER.

@pumpkingamebox

Жыл бұрын

@@elibbabats Elidibus as well. He used up his soul to send us to Elpis. Sigh. At least Emet and Hythlodaeus will be able to.

I really hope you took a break before Ultima Thule because you were emotionally broken by this point.

@elibbabats

Жыл бұрын

I did, haha! streamed two more times after the stream featured in this video on two separate days. Enough time to recover between each. :B

One of THE moments of EW.

Little note: The Cover art for Final Fantasy is all done by Yoshitaka Amano. Amano is known also for drawing for such things as Vampire Hunter D and Angels Egg, and you can see the influence of his works in the characters in FFXIV for both Hydaelyn and the fight against Elidibus when he transforms into the 'Warrior of Light.' I'd suggest taking a look at the VaatiVidya video on youtube titled "Dark Souls 3 Lore ► Angel's Egg & Filianore" for not only an interesting video in itself, but also to get a glimpse of the anime and how Amano's artwork looks. You'll definitely see the similarity. Likewise, I would suggest the Vampire Hunter D movie from 1985. It's a personal favorite from my childhood.

You killed mom.