Thank you for making this video, I relate to the topics in it, and it helped me put words to what I was going through. I currently have no relationship with my father, whom Ive only recently realized was abusive (both physically and neglectfully) I have since cut him out of my life, and though I am not ready to forgive him for his actions/inaction, because I watched this video, I can start moving in that direction for my own sake. Thank you @Oceaniz for all the videos you make, you make a difference.

@Oceaniz

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story. I am glad my lil anime video could help you in any way! All the best to you on your future endeavours! Be safe and take care :)

@makiroll218

5 жыл бұрын

Oceaniz endeavors in your sentence... I see what you did there ;)

@makiroll218

5 жыл бұрын

Flamingjello I don't feel comfortable about what abuse I went through but I wanted to say you're not alone and you're very brave.

@MushyCat_

5 жыл бұрын

I understand you in a way more mentally then physically and like you I don't have a relationship with my dad and I don't know when I will and honestly doubt I will anytime soon

@forasquem

4 жыл бұрын

Dont, just dont. As a victim of abuse myself, later a abuser in adult life. Do not look for you father now. Get professional help. This is a youtube video, its a kid that knows nothing of life. Get professional help.

The character with the fire quirk causes the biggest flame war, who could have guessed it?

@HxH2011DRA

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine my shock

@MyLittleGreenHairdedMermaid

5 жыл бұрын

A controlled fire can be used for warmth and protection, but left unchecked, it can destroy everything in its path

@jamainegardner4193

5 жыл бұрын

Hellflame war

@yomanyo327

5 жыл бұрын

it's not called hellflame for no reason.

@TheActualMrLink

4 жыл бұрын

HA!

I think Endeavour is so popular because he is a well-written character, not necessarily because people "like" him.

@christophercrafte

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly I love seeing him with his faults and to see him realise hes finally gotten what he wanted for so long and now it means nothing because he didnt earn it and his family is all divided because of the choices he has made. Endeavour realised whats wrong with him and he wants to change and although some people are salty and dont want to see him get better I'm looking forward to the new man he still become.

@SayHiToNyz

5 жыл бұрын

LittleToyBoat that’s what he says. Watch the whole vid

@austinpoor5217

5 жыл бұрын

People "like" his story.

@MomoDearestt

5 жыл бұрын

i just like him, his character design and his arc.

@swiftlynx6700

5 жыл бұрын

Word From The North Thank you, fellow Canadian

I feel people have these very strong feelings towards Endeavor because abuse is a common and realistic problem, where as a mass murderer psychopath isn't. This added to the portrayal of abuse being fairly realistic, and the fact that Endeavor is not a villain like in your examples, but is presented as a hero and a protagonist.... yeah I can see why he is so controversial.

@carrier2823

4 жыл бұрын

How about when funny valentine is a rapist? He is also not controversial

@jamesscott7215

4 жыл бұрын

Roosevelt That’s from JoJo tho, where 1/5 of every character is a horrible person

@jeremiahvaleska8464

4 жыл бұрын

Roosevelt Unlike Endeavor, Funny Valentine is a villain and is presented like one.

@usagi2934

4 жыл бұрын

@@carrier2823 you underestimate the amount of unreported abuse cases there are

@crimsondemon2231

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, he is not a villain but our first viewing of his character is negative like Vegeta who is also later seen by most as a hero/protag.

It's sad that people cant see the nuance in Endeavour's character. Endeavour's ongoing arc really hit close to home for me seeing that I come from a family of 5. My father verbally abused me often as a child and unnecessarily punished and hit me, with my mom not saying anything to interject. I grew up with so much distaste for my parents I moved out at 18 and it wasnt until I turned 20 last year that my father and mother reached and actually had a heart to heart talk with me, and at that I've never spoken with my parents on a personal level. Them trying to be better and openly care for me was difficult to process at first. It doesnt absolve them of how much they scarred me as a child, but I can't bring myself to hate them these days. I actually have a somewhat healthy relationship with them even though I can't forgive them, I understand them and of course I want to seem them better themselves as people even if for a couple of years I refused to accept there actions of change. They're people, people who were scarred as children too and left incomplete so they lost sight of what it was to parent. Just like endeavor. Him not being redeemable is plain wrong, and you're denying some of the strongest writing in recent memory of humanizing a very flawed person who realized his mistakes. I've been watching your videos for a while, but this one earned my sub and it deserves to go viral. Nice work man

@austinpoor5217

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's so much that they can't they just have to ignore it to get all the benefits of their Political Correctness Cult memberships.

@nicholasleclerc1583

5 жыл бұрын

Wha'doyah'now, the mainstream postmodernism of this society can't compute morally complex issues and nuances (* eyeroll *)

@Abdega

5 жыл бұрын

I like watching characters with garbage personalities slowly get better

@byronbrooks6366

4 жыл бұрын

I think it would have worked better if Horikoshi followed the example set by Bojack Horseman in how to start a characters long and difficult journey to redemption and forgiveness, since I am sure he has damaged the lives of those outside his familty as well. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWRnu5R_gJzXmKw.html

@mostlyimpulsive3462

4 жыл бұрын

Oh man finally someone said it... As someone who also grew up in an emotionally abusive household, and finally got out 5 months ago... The case of the Todorokis, and yours, hit real close to home. I couldn't have said it better myself. I used to resent my mother so much. To this day I'm still battling the consequences of what happened to me for 17 years. It's true that time won't erase the amount of nights spent crying myself to sleep, but... I'm finally moving past it. I didn't think I would, and I'm so glad I was wrong. There are more important things I can spend my energy on, anyways.

The whole "You like a problematic character means you're a bad person" debacle has the same energy as the "playing video games means you're a mass shooter" narrative boomers were pushing on millenials way back when. It's very tired

...I'm going to be straight. I like endeavour because I see myself in him. I've been a shit person most of my life. Hurt more people than I think I can say. Left people worse off than I've found them. I can't blame my childhood, my struggles with every substance addiction under the sun, or anyone in my life. I've been a terrible person. Endeavour as a character; doing horrible things, thinking on them, regretting them and trying to solve them. They are what told me 'this is you. This is the scum you are now'. Because I saw myself in Endeavour, I've taken steps to fix my mistakes. I've been drug and alcohol clean for a year now, and I've tried to rebuild my bonds with the people in my life. Some have forgiven me, and others never will. I'm not a good person, but like endeavour, I don't want to stay that way. Edit: thank you for the kind words. It's been two years now, and I've remained completely sober and drug free. I've gotten a paying job in a retail store, and I've started talking to my parents again. I'm getting there Edit 2: I think this is the last time I'll check this comment. My life has gotten as good as I think it should get. I've fixed my relationship with my family, been promoted at my job and I'm in a relationship with a beautiful and smart woman. I know they just seem like comments, but I am so thankful to have gotten so many nice comments from all of you, even though we've never met. Thank you

@jeremiahvaleska8464

4 жыл бұрын

Eryvac *00 keep trying. The fact that you were able to at least attempt to atone for the past has to mean something. This is coming from an abuse victim, by the way.

@eryvac0074

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremiahvaleska8464 thanks for the reinforcement. I hope you've recovered well from your abuser

@jeremiahvaleska8464

4 жыл бұрын

Eryvac *00 no problem, mate. And thanks, I’m alright now. Some days are better than others.

@eryvac0074

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremiahvaleska8464 good to hear

@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821

4 жыл бұрын

that takes a shitton of strength my man

Commenters: If you like Endeavor you support child abuse! Also KZread Commenters: *Has Itachi Uchiha as their profile picture*

@blank2736

3 жыл бұрын

the irony

@SpaghettiSpine

3 жыл бұрын

All the dabi fan girls

@hyena234thekids7

3 жыл бұрын

Do not disrespect that goddamn legend (I'm joking)

@Rainjojo

3 жыл бұрын

Also KZread commenters: *has a hisoka pfp*

@Jaqui_trades

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah support genocide instead 😅🥲 (Joking)

Endeavour: *works to improve his public image and familial relationships to truly earn the title of Number 1 Hero* Dabi: "I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move."

Horikoshi: Really knows how to write good adult characters. Also Horikoshi: Makes a series about teens.

@IvaHaze

2 жыл бұрын

Why not? It’s not like you can have a shonen without adult characters.

@kennethsatria6607

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much seems like its just what sells and he likes drawing them too, just that by the adult characters he clearly has a talent at the subject.

I'd still say that he's better than Kai Chisaki at the parenting thing.

@benjipixel1438

5 жыл бұрын

true

@carrier2823

4 жыл бұрын

Kai isn’t a bad parent. He is just learning the ropes is all. You gotta give em a chance

@jamesscott7215

4 жыл бұрын

Roosevelt Ok president Roosevelt

@Ryxtou

4 жыл бұрын

@@carrier2823 Yea, like killing a 6 year old kid and reviving her again and again for her blood. He's just learning the ropes. Real funny

@crazykirsch

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ryxtou whoosh

As much as I love this anime, some of the fans are cringy edge lords who really need to get out and get some fresh air.

@educatedguess7416

4 жыл бұрын

Most of the fandom never touched a girl's hand or experience social situations. That's why theyre so edgy

@no-ku6jp

4 жыл бұрын

@@educatedguess7416 "my childhood trauma growing up... i asked a girl out once and she said i smelled." - every edgelord's background story ever.

@TaviiCatniss

3 жыл бұрын

@Maddening Hustle69 xD damn deku is always the bottom ain't he LMFAO

@d1.KT1

3 жыл бұрын

@@educatedguess7416 actually most fans *ARE* women. Do you think egdelords ship TodoDeku?

I was actually heavily abused by my stepdad growing up, but since he has changed and i have forgiven him, and i think a lot of people don't realize this is a thing that happens in the world, and maybe even more often than i think

I never understood how that particular chapter with the family could be interpreted as 'oh now everything's fine. Horikoshi thinks everything is forgivven now' consdering that I think Endeavor ended that chapter saying himself, that he may possible never be nor can he be forgiven, so all he can do is try. None of the characters actually said anything about 'forgiving him' nevermind forgiving him completely. Even Fuyumi I think mostly argues that she doesn't want these things said NOW. She had talked and agreed with her brothers that they wouldn't bring up those things on that particula day, she never demanded of them that Natsuo 'get his shit together and forgive him'. Even when he's gone all she says is that she really hoped they could maybe come together as a family after Endeavor seemingly tryied to reconnect. She doesn't say that Natsuo or Shoto should forgive him nor does she even say that she forgave him herself, I think, she just says that she hoped the family could finally come back together again. In this room there was not a single character not Enji and not the children who actually said or even implied that 'everything was well and forgiven now'.

@nicholasleclerc1583

5 жыл бұрын

Ari33sa I never understood what it TAKES to be forgiven, and I *need* (hyperbolic form of “want”; I don’t mean literal “need”) to know; Many things like social privileges like job opportunities, trust, public safety, the mental state of the criminal, etc., depend on the definition of forgiveness, because of how forgiveness is used in sentences, and in punishment/how we treat those that have “sinned”. We can correct people that say “I’m NEVER gonna forgive you !” with a strong definition, and even help people, if not to “forgive”, at least live with the impacts of this “unforgivable” act, whether they’re victims or regretful criminals [Since the definition might be 2), and for good reasons] And I think we take that too lightly or too much for granted when we use it when a kid hurt another kid in the sandbox, where the victim easily *_FORGIVES_* him What about THAT sort of “hurt” ? If it’s “forgetting the past”, then you can’t forgive, but we use the word to determine how we should feel about that certain event So obviously it can’t be THAT; So is “forgiveness”, specifically for traumatic event A : 1) “Being sure(and confortable with the belief) that he’s never gonna do(be; or think like) what he’s done(been; or thought) before ever again (what’s done being A)” ? 2) “Killing the thoughts of hate, distrust or downright, sadistic, revengeful assassination we‘ve had and still have for this person because of what he’s done (i.e. A)” ? 3) “After the _’CORRECT amount of punishment’_ has been done” ? I need the opinion of someone else, and that’ll be really appreciated 👌

@Ari33sa

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasleclerc1583 well this is late reply but somehow I found that video again and saw your question... I think you need to make a distinction between 'forgiving somebody' on a personal level, and forgiveness in terms of 'mercy' on a judicial/legal level. Those are two entirely separate issues. In a legal sense (of course, depending on the legal system of the individual country) and I think similarly in a religious (christian, don't know enough about other religions tbh) sense people earn forgiveness or mercy by being repentant. In reality though, in that private sense of forgiving somebody who actually hurt you personally, I think it's not so much about EARNING forgiveness, but about giving it. The deciding factor here is not so much the behavior of the criminal but the mindset of the victim. Of course, there is a certain overlap. In a legal sense, the will of the victim can play a role and of course, privately the behavior of the perpetrator can make a bit different in how willing the victim is to forgive. So even though you're mentioning sentencing in your comment, I guess you're mostly talking about forgiveness in a more personal and private way. And I guess there is no way to properly define it... It's something you give willingly, either for yourself (to maybe let go of hate or to find closure) or because you're actually swayed by the perpetrator's effort to change. I think it has little to do with being sure that something won't happen again. For one I think that's absurd. Everytime we open up to a person we also open up to the possiblity of being hurt. That might even be happen if you don't open up at all. On the other hand you can easily forgive somebody but not open yourself up to them. Of course, this is a bit more difficult if it's a family member, but saying 'I do forgive you for your prior actions, but I want to have my own life now in which you play a diminished roll if at all' is an option. You could even go to an unrepentent criminal and forgive them if you do it for your own peace of mind (or maybe some do it for religious reasons). In that case, the forgiveness is not so much for their sake (as an unrepentant criminal won't care) but for your own, but of course, you can't be sure that they wouldn't want to hurt you again. In most cases though, forgiving would be similar to giving somebody a second chance. And you can never be sure they won't disappoint you. As for your second definition, I think that's almost it... But I also think, there is a step between 'hate/revenge' and 'forgiveness'. I actually think you can move past something without 'forgiving'. As I said, forgiving is something you need to give. It's not just something you do in your mind. In a way, it's an absolution. Something you do not just for yourself but for the other's peace of mind. I think there are plenty of people out there who have moved past a wrong-doing committed against them, but who didn't actually go up to the perpetrator to tell him so. I also think there are people who are well on their way healing and getting past something but who are nonetheless glad that whoever did it to them is rotting away in prison. Definition number three also comes fairly close, I guess. But I think there are plenty of people who forgive somebody before he was properly punished who still think, that he has to suffer his just punishment. Imagine a scenario where during the court case the accused (A) asks the victim (V) for forgiveness and V grants it to A. I'm pretty certain that in most cases V does not mean for A to go free thinking they already suffered proper punishment. I think forgiveness is when you not just don't want to 'torture' (trauma) yourself over something that has happened, but you also don't want the perpetrator to torture (guilty conscience) himself over it anymore. That's why while I think many do it 'for themselves' I think the act of forgiving is ultimately 'for the benefit of the perpetrator'. I think it's a very poetic idea...

@byronbrooks6366

4 жыл бұрын

I believe it has to do with how it was translated, which made Rei Todoroki sound like Harley Quinn before she left the Joker. Which just felt uncomfortable to a lot of people.

@risacooper

4 жыл бұрын

That chapter felt much more like the beginning of his journey towards redemption than the "oh all is well now".

@abby6215

3 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

I feel like kohei horikoshi is making endeavor gain some redemption and start winning people over to start becoming a true number 1 hero only for dabi to use that as an advantageous time to reveal he's enji's son and the abuse that caused him to go down the path he did to destroy enji's image as a hero and further validate the hero killer stains ideology

@trollfacelotsofshit

4 жыл бұрын

this so much

@cellP8

3 жыл бұрын

oh boy, you dont say xD

@greenpooljama

3 жыл бұрын

DUDE WHAT THE FUCK YOU GOT LIKE BALLS DEEP PREDICTION QUIRK OR SOMETHING

@morgansheepman2403

3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, you're a prophet

@rockettomars1175

3 жыл бұрын

Wow....how right you were

Endeavor is a hard character to like. He is an abuser, the type of abuse he inflicted on his family doesn’t matter. He can’t change that. He can, and does, try to seek redemption for his past actions by being a better man and father while also striving to be the best hero possible(admittedly for his own selfish reasons) though even after All Might retires from being a hero, he does his best to protect and inspire people. Do his good deeds and efforts at redemption outweigh what he did to his wife and children? I don’t know, but I think everyone deserves a chance to be a better person than they were yesterday.

Endeavor is what I hope for. A man struggling to fix what he broke, or even what others have broken. As someone with a personal connection to a fraction of this abuse, I just hope endeavor changes for the better and fixes this around him.

Tbh Enji is most likely the most reliable and understandable character in fiction to people from broken homes who are to blame but seek redemption.

Beautifully put together video overall. Honestly you brought up amazing points but one that stuck out to me was about the 'apologizing part' this is actually brought up quite a lot when it comes to Bakugo too. I see those that despise Bakugo despite his slow progress and say 'Well he hasn't apoligized to Deku so it doesn't matter how he changes' and in my head I think, well it's come to a point that apologizing won't help or change anything, and 2) I don't think Izuku considers himself a victim? And I could be wrong about that but he's never blamed Katsuki...so I dunno, I could be completly off! Anyway great great great stuff! So glad you posted!!

@deltasigma8817

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've noticed that as well. I don't know if it is just me, but for issues that have popped up in my life, I would much rather see a person's intentions to grow and change rather than a string of words that could just as easily be meaningless. Especially for characters like Bakugo and Endeavor, who prefer to let their actions speak for themselves and stay silent otherwise, it would be grossly out of character for them to just say, "Sorry about that. That was real rude wasn't it?". Even in the lead up to the Pro Hero arc, when it was Endeavor's turn to speak at the Top 10 reveal, he just said, "Watch me."

@MyLittleGreenHairdedMermaid

5 жыл бұрын

"I don't think Izuku considers himself a victim?"... to be honest, I don't think Todoroki does either, but he sees the person he cared about the most become a victim, his mother. In Izuku's case it was only him getting hurt and he was hurt by a peer, while Todoroki wasn't the only one hurt and was hurt by his father, an adult, someone who is supposed to protect him

@jasonswan4544

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention Bakugo is still a young teenager.

@lunchbox962

4 жыл бұрын

In the middle of the combat trial arc Izuku states that he hates Bakugou's guts. He just doesn't let it rule him.

@danielola-abidoye1365

4 жыл бұрын

Marcellus Thomas yeah people really forget this but it makes me love Deku as a character that much more this dude is so mature and wholesome he hates a guy but still acknowledges his strong points

Every time Endeavor is fighting I get so emotional. I know he is just a fictional character, but something about him just seems so human and being able to look at him from a perspective that other characters in the show are not able to gives him so much more depth than a lot of other characters in the show imo.

Honestly My Hero Academia is one of the best written manga and the complexities in regard to Endeavor really highlight that fact. Also I have come to question whether or not Endeavor's marriage was based on wealth to get her quirk. Remember that idea was only brought up by Shoto as he most likely believes that is the case. But since Endeavor remembers something as minor as what kind of flower his wife loves it just makes me wonder. I mean what kind of person would go that far for someone? Something to note is that there is another reason I think Endeavor was upset at All Might retiring. And it was because the moment he say All Might in his weaken state it clicked for Endeavor, that he had a chance to surpass All Might all along. He placed All Might so high above himself and others that the idea of outdoing All Might without using the methods Endeavor carried out never crossed his mind. We see in that moment that Endeavor realizes what a waste it was to put his family through all of that when any goal he had was truly in reach. Another thing I enjoy is how the abuse is carried out, after all too often do we see abuse as simply as smacking a kid around and the other case neglecting them but that's it, nothing deeper. Here we see the abuse on Shoto is for training, Endeavor isn't beating him simply cause he likes beating children but rather to toughen Shoto up to be the best. Like it all seems similar to cases of parents who really push things on kids like raising little girls for beauty pageants or for school when parents have their kids study at all hours of the day with no breaks or time to play. All of which is abusive and gives child more than they can handle. Heck I say Endeavor started training Shoto at that young of an age was to get him started way before the age Endeavor starting doing any of that. To finish off this part with the most interesting point, one of the things that really take interest in Endeavor's dynamic with Shoto is that, Endeavor never really cared what Shoto thought of him. Through the story before hand we see that Shoto makes it clear to his dad that he doesn't like him for all the shit he has been through.... and Endeavor's reaction seems to be not giving a damn about it. Where most abusive parents far more often pose this idea that the child should love them no matter what horrible shit they put their kids through, Endeavor doesn't seem to force that idea onto Shoto. Just that he has to be the best hero ever and ultimately overtake All Might so that Endeavor feels like he won. With Shoto disliking his father in such a way with his dad not caring really puts Endeavor on a path of self-destruction that he is fully aware of but if being hated by his family lets him top All Might then it seems Endeavor was willing to do just that. Seeing the date this video came out there was even more development on how the rest of the family sees Endeavor and honestly it is fantastic. With so much of the family seemingly forgiving Endeavor, his son Natsuo is starting to feel bad. With Natsuo being the only one who doesn't want to forgive his dad, Natsuo feels like he is going to be the bad guy in all this and that he might be forced to forgive Endeavor against his will. It is when he confesses those feeling to his dad that Endeavor tells him the most important thing, that it's okay not to forgive him. And that was a moment right there were he confirms with his son that he neglected him for years and that it is okay for Natsuo to feel that way for that reason and that Natsuo doesn't have to be forced into anything.

Endeavor reminds me a lot of my dad. Both are incredibly strong-willed, capable, serious and determined people, who would not be satisfied until they were the best. The way Enji acts towards Shoto is the same way my dad acted towards me: he wanted me to be better than him, and due to that, he became a very abusive and apathetic person, as he saw me as an extension of himself instead of my own person. He abused me for years both psychologically and physically, and also neglected my feelings a lot in pursue of making me the person he always envisioned me to be, which resulted in me developing psychological and social issues. He was not a good father. But he also was an incredibly strong person. He rose to the top in his industry, founded his own company to thrilling success, and managed to become such an experienced person in his area of expertise that he's constantly being quoted and sought by various other companies for his knowledge and capabilities. Do i hate him for what he did? No, not at all. He's just a human, who did a lot of dumb shit. In the end, he recognized he had done me more hurt than good. He apologized. He changed as a person. If i had decided not to forgive him, i would have been stuck in my own cycle of hatred and disgust that would not end until i saw him dead and out of my life, and that's just not realistic or healthy. He will never be able to restore our relationship the way it used to be before he became so self-centered. But that's not important. He understood his mistakes and tried to make up for them in the best way he could. The same thing is going on here. Each of the siblings has their own issues with Enji and none of them are expected to forgive him the same way. Its okay if they don't even forgive him in the first place. But Enji's a broken man, who was blinded by his own ambition and desires. He's not a bad person who seeks to hurt people as retaliation or for self-satisfaction. Just a misguided asshole who's trying to become less of an asshole, and start to live happily as he realized he never did. He's trying to reclaim that same happiness he took from others and give it back. And that's admirable, because he's being brave enough to face his past actions and learn from them, as much as it burns and stings.

this video is too real man, thank you. love your videos mr oceanman

👏🏽 So well said. I too was abused by a family member when I was young and for a long time I just cut them off. My feelings of hurt and betrayal were all RIGHT but when I started to work through those feelings and realize my abuser was just as broken as I was..it made me look at them like a person again. And once we had a discussion regarding what happened and I saw how much it hurt them that they did it as well..I just realized that working to let it go was the best thing to do. Most of us are broken. It’s hard and it sucks and sometimes broken people break others...and live to regret it and want to be better. Everyone deserves a chance to be more than their greatest mistakes. And seeing people represented as PEOPLE in fictional writing, to me, is SO IMPORTANT. And tell a victim that they are wrong to want to try to forgive is never okay. Forgiveness is the largest form of freedom a person can have. I cannot say that loud enough. Letting go of anger and resentment...was the most powerful thing I’ve ever done. It changed my life. It opened up parts of me I didn’t even know where closed off and allowed me to let more love and understanding in.

*Endeavor gets 8th place in popularity rank* Fans: that’s wrong! let’s make our own pole *Endeavor Gets 2nd place in fan ranks* Fans: •__•

Fan reactions: Endeavor: Abused his kids. - Hated. Vegeta: Slaughtered countless people for "fun." - Loved

@hunterdonner9970

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr people seem to forget that pre buu saga Vegeta was at best an asshole and at worst a mass murderer.

@branhan215124

4 жыл бұрын

The difference is in consequence- no matter how heinous the act of murder, when Dragon Balls exist it doesn't carry anywhere close to the same emotional weight as a grown father physically and psychologically abusing his child.

@hunterdonner9970

4 жыл бұрын

@@branhan215124 it doesn't matter if they bring people back the problem is that they got murdered to begin with. Honestly I think being killed then brought back would have been harder to forgive than being in shoto's situation because Endeavor at least shows regret and is TRYING to make it right. Has Vegeta tried making it right to the untold amount of lives he's taken? No just because they were brought back doesn't mean those murdered people would just be cool with it I know I wouldn't.

@branhan215124

4 жыл бұрын

@@hunterdonner9970 Death without the permanency is just a dreamless sleep, I ain't saying Vegeta is good or even that he's better than Endeavor. I'm saying that, just like in the video, more relatable things like abuse, assault and bullying are way more relatable and thus, emotionally weighty. Unless you live in the more violent places in the third world, widespread genocide or mass murder just isn't relatable. Not to mention, in Dragon Ball heaven definitively exists so honestly- dying just isn't that bad. If I had a choice between getting killed and resurrected in the DBZ universe and getting abused or neglected in the MHA universe- it's death everytime.

@megabladechronicles962

4 жыл бұрын

here's a better example The Joker- literally countless and unspeakably terrible crimes- "He's so funny and likeable"

Does Endeavor deserve redemption? No. I don't think so. Is it a bad thing that he is striving for it? Of course not! He has done terrible things, and his children + wife have no obligation to forgive him, but that fact that he is TRYING is fantastic. He's such a wonderfully realistic and complex character, and deserves to be treated as such. It's understandable that some people don't like him, but it's also understandable why others do. Horikoshi has done a fantastic job at fleshing out his character, and going in depth to display one of the series' main themes: *pushing yourself to be better*

I actually think the first step of Horikoshi trying to humanize Endeavor is as early as Hosu. Of course back then it is only subtle, completely twisted and doesn't really lead anywhere because Endeavor has not yet actually changed ... at all. It's also very sublte because back then the focus of the whole story is not at all on Enji, or even Shoto at that point. But Hosu is in a way an attempt by Endeavor and Shoto to find common ground. The really twisted and awful but also human thing is, that Endeavor in Hosu actually seems to believe that if Shoto just saw him for the great hero he was, he might be able to understand. He brings his son to Hosu not just for them to train and to make Shoto stronger, but as he tells himself (though with different words) so that 'Shoto can see what a hero really is'. It honestly is not all that different to Endeavor then going to shoto much later and essentially telling him, 'watch me (be a hero)'. Of course Endeavor's real developement and humanization only started with All Might's behaviour, but I think Hosu was the first glimpse of Endeavor 'being human' ^^.(Interestingly Hosu was also about a villain fundamentally believing that people DO NOT change)

Endeavor is an amazing character. Him and Izuku are my two favorite characters. These two have had amazing character development. This is definitely one of the greatest shounen.

99.9% of the people that hate Endeavor are Shoto simps.

@randomhalf-mapplesiruphalf1666

3 жыл бұрын

True

Many people don't understand that liking a character as a character =/= liking them as a person Also, most people are probably judging him based on his current state: A person who did horrible things (and this doesn't diminish the gravity of his actions) and is trying to change and atone for them

@A.S._Trunks

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite character is Frieza. I guess I'm basically Space Napo-Hitler 🤷.

YOU DID IT AGAIN!!! AMAZING VIDEO!

Fan base: ENDEAVOR MUST BURN IN HIS OWN HELL FIRE FOR HIS SINS Also the fan base: man Toga is so cute I hope she finds a way in life.... Me: She's a literally blood thirsty murderer Fan base: don't hate on yandere, she's a person too Me: so is endeavor.... Fan base: if endeavor gets redeemed horikoshi should die... Me: well im done

@nihili4196

4 жыл бұрын

Such underrated comment. Although even talking about Toga, Toga's quirk is making her into murderer. She had not too much choice in the matter. She still wants to live normally and have friends. I love how Horikoshi is making every character fleshed out. I hate Endeavour for being abusive parent, but I love Endeavour for trying to change and surpass All Might as symbol of hope for all. I don't like Toga for being fucking psychopath but I love every scene where she's happy while hanging out with league. This manga is so much more character based than any other current shonen.

@metageek7878

4 жыл бұрын

@@nihili4196 exactly, although id argue her quirk isn't making her a murderer more so that society failed her like the rest of the league. Quirk counseling likely told her that her quirk was bad and not to use it but like any teen with super powers she wanted to test it and it's limits and likely gives her a taste for human blood, it's like an extreme case of shinso only she rebelled by actually becoming a villain instead of trying to prove others wring at least that's my head cannon Also thanks but 15 likes isn't half bad in the sea of comments

@nihili4196

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I simplified it a bit, but I agree overall. Lack of proper consulting as well as lack of understanding on teachers and parents behalf lead to Toga being Toga. But if I'm not mistaken there was a flashback where it was revealed that Toga was naturally craving blood. It's the same thing as La Brava's quirk. I'm not saying that Toga is not responsible for her actions, just that there are cases where person can be more prone to dangerous actions

@metageek7878

4 жыл бұрын

@@nihili4196 yeah blood quirk crave blood love quirk needs love Reminds me of Demi chans Vampires exist as a mutation of humans so in modern day the state gives monthly blood packets to said individuals That and the vampire girl likes nibbling without puncturing Lot more light hearted but still there ya go great solution That being said point is as cool as hero's are societal failure is what created the majority of villains and I love that the spectrum is as deep as murderers like toga and dabi and as surface level anti villain like gentle and la brava

@metageek7878

4 жыл бұрын

@Lily Moua or at least the vocal not fans I hope most people are actually decent

For me the best part about his arc is that he chooses atonement over forgiveness. Even telling Shoto he doesn't want him to forgive him. Horikoshi expresses a good grasp on the concept of abuse and that the victim is never under any obligation to forgive their abuser. Instead of having him plea for forgiveness. He instead rejects the idea out of self-awareness of his actions. Understanding and accepting that may be an impossibility at this point. But that doesn't mean he still can't do his best to make up for it via atonement. Trying to argue in favor of forgiveness without atonement is gaslighting the victim. No matter what anyone says.

"Having an abusive character say sorry changes nothing" Yeah...cofcofSASUKEcofcof

@brandonlyon730

5 жыл бұрын

*cough*Vegeta*cough

@Abdega

4 жыл бұрын

Sasuke is easily the best character in the series With a name like that I have to take your argument with a grain of salt

@Djsjaid

4 жыл бұрын

Cough cough vegeta cough cough.

@machina5

4 жыл бұрын

Sasuke was abusive? News to me

@dr.calibrations7984

4 жыл бұрын

@@machina5 Well he isn't abusive per say, but his daughter literally doesn't recognize him and he doesn't recognize her and it's so bad he almost killed her, and then doesn't really go out of his way to apologize either.

I get what you're saying when you point out that a simple verbal apology wouldn't change anything. And you're right, it wouldn't. And it really shouldn't. Most abuse is so much bigger than just a simple "I'm sorry". However, and I do *NOT* speak for everyone when I say this, but as someone who has been on the receiving end of abuse, apologies can be really helpful on the road to begin healing. It's not a cop out and shouldn't be treated like one, but rather it should be treated as a step in the road to change and healing. To me, in that situation, an apology is an important admission of wrong-doing, a direct acknowledgement that the abuser did something bad _and they know it._ A (good) apology is an important verbal recognition of wrong doing that also takes responsibility for it. That can be really vindicating for the person who has been wronged. Again, it doesn't fix anything, and it's often too little too late, but for people who felt like change in their abuser was never possible, and thought they would always be pushed down by them, it's a powerful way of sort of breaking one of the multiple chains holding the abused down. I'm not sure if that makes sense, so I'm sorry if it doesn't. Again, I *do not* speak for anyone but myself with this comment, I just wanted to let you know a different perspective. I really appreciate the video though, and it helped me think through my own feelings regarding Endeavor and realize what was me projecting feelings from my own experiences with abuse on him when that's not fair. Great video!

@lucennastryker9093

4 жыл бұрын

Oh just to add, I'm not trying to say a person can't try to be better and atone for their abuse without issuing a verbal apology. It isn't always necessary, and it isn't always wanted. I just wanted to point out that it _can_ be a powerful tool of healing for _some_ people. Endeavor not verbally apologizing does not invalidate his attempts to atone.

Quality content we needed but don't deserve. Thanks as always man👍

@JanizMakudomaru

5 жыл бұрын

You are here as I should've expected.

@HxH2011DRA

5 жыл бұрын

@@JanizMakudomaru YE

@nicholasleclerc1583

5 жыл бұрын

@@HxH2011DRA Hey, test of your self-control: Hunter x Hunter *SUCKS, AAAAAAASS !!!* : P

@A.S._Trunks

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasleclerc1583 Looks like he passed

Fyumi reminds me of my mom. My dad is abusive and most of his abuse is targeted towards her. Yet when i call him out or argue with him like natsuo or todoroki, she tries to defuse the situation, tells me to apologize and that he's right and just trying his best etc. And it's not because she actually thinks he is a good person, but like fyumi, she wants to avoid conflict and gets anxious when tension happens. Sometimes when we're alone she says "you should know him by now, just avoid trouble" Its a very natural response. Abuse victims are also in some cases unaware of how toxic a person is to them and their family. Or even cope by denial or learn that trying to please the abuser and keep them calm results in the best outcome (less abuse and conflict). I think that fyumi's way of dealing with abuse is completely valid.

I appreciate how Shoto has had trouble with remembering. Until Deku made him remember his mother’s guidance and Yoarashi made him remember his behavior at the entrance exam. I have experienced not recalling much of my childhood. It’s so accurate. Great analysis.

Oceaniz Rei’s ability to forgive is a tad bit easier to believe because at the end of the day, and most people gloss over this fact, she poured boiling water over her sons face. She poured BOILING water over her sons face!!! Shoto’s forgiveness of Rei would have impacted her ability to forgive as she had been forgiven in her own sins...

You talking about the types of abuse took me back. I had no clue for years why I had a lot of emotional issues and depression but when I was stuck writing a speech about abuse in college I discovered what emotional abuse was. It's really hard to realize the way you were brought up wasn't normal and to see the symptoms of the treatment just flat out describe you. I'm 100% glad I went through the heartache of discovering what happened to me though. The relief knowing that I wasn't the one who was in the wrong can't be put into words. I really feel for Shoto in MHA and Kaneki in Tokyo Ghoul since I can see pieces of myself in them due to them being survivors. The flashbacks showing Endeavor as a monster are too accurate. To a child their parents can easily be seen as a monster. Love your videos, you have a new sub.

Honestly I still don't like Endeavour but man do I love his arc. Also If I may interject, in anime/manga parental abuse gets forgiven a bit too easily for me (there are sooooo many awful parents in this media), but even then that arc is pretty clear that even with what Endeavour's accomplished he's not there yet.

@crowravencorvenrow

5 жыл бұрын

I think the best part is that Endeavor himself realizes that. He specifically said that he knows full well that he doesn't deserve to be forgiven, so he won't ask for it.

@b.l.b8036

5 жыл бұрын

For me its like this if i can forgive vegeta a mass murderer then I can forgive endeavor

@ObaREX

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like, I feel like Endeavor's arc feels way more real than the likes of Itachi from Naruto. The guy clearly abused his little brother way beyond reasonable cause, but everyone is so quick to defend him as a hero.

@moonyollie6977

5 жыл бұрын

That's the hing that gets me with this series, is that it could go full shonen manga with it's storylines, but it's closer to a mash of comics and manga instead. You get the shonen tropes, but you also get some very finely tuned storylines that you can find in certain comics (and not just the big comic series). I feel the same way about Endeavor, he's that character I love to hate but also hate to love

@enotsnavdier6867

5 жыл бұрын

It's probably because Japan has a much less severe view on parental abuse

Endeavor is liked because of his interesting character dynamic and the way his introduction helps to build the world. People who say that liking him makes you an abusive parent or some bullshit are just the cancerous part of the fan base.

completely agree with the "abusers can be human too". both of my abusers weren't evil monsters but humans that were abused themselves and struggled greatly with how to deal with this abuse. they didn't seek help, but we're left broken by the abuse at the hands of others and took that pain out on me. i have understood this for a long time, both my mother and my sister are humans. my sister and I even have a good relationship now and what happened is very much past us. my mother, however, is very much stuck in the past and sees herself as broken and irredeemable, and thus doesn't even try to be better, much to all her children's dismay. i wish she was like endeavor and actively took it upon herself to be a better person. that's why I actually admire endeavor. i fully recognize what he did, but the past is something we can't change, yet what we do with the future is fully up to us. it can be hard to see all the horrible things you've done and actually do something about it instead of being buried under the weight of your sins. he's by no means a saint, but atleast he's trying

I am not necessarily an Enji fan, but I do find him fascinating. He has come home to the fact that all his passions and efforts were all in vain. His life's work was all a waste. So what now? That kind of character is not often explored. And his step in a positive direction is admirable. Also people need to realise that forgiveness is not for the perpetrator. It is for the victim.

This is beautiful. I agree with this.

Horikoshi is honestly an amazing writer and is really good at coming up with realistic encounters, conversations, and characters. I honestly can't wait to see how Endeavor evolves as a character, and how his past will affect him currently. As well as how his family will cope with his change in personality.

I just discovered this channel watched 3 videos and you upload new one POG

I like Endeavor cause he's well written, i like Bakugou because of his redemption and complex mindset, and I admittedly like Mineta because it's funny to watch him cry and get hurt and freak out over nothing

@empyre9768

3 жыл бұрын

@Pixel Smile his character development. Actually notice him in the story as more then a bully and then you’ll understand.

@Nassit-Gnuoy

3 жыл бұрын

@Pixel Smile That happened seasons ago and even Deku himself got over that pretty much since he still went out of his way to rescue him when he got kidnapped by the League. And the story actually does address Bakugo bullying him. Him and All Might have a conversation about it implying that Bakugo is helping him train OFA as his way to make amends or to at least try. Besides, getting targeted and kidnapped by the League was a consequence for his behavior because they thought they could make him a villain and it ended up indirectly causing All Might’s retirement. Nothing about his character was brushed aside.

@Kai-cr1ix

3 жыл бұрын

@Pixel Smile even after his first battle with deku, he hyperventilates at the thought of his loss against deku's new power, is criticized by Momo, and feels outclassed as he watches the likes of Todoroki, who did Deku's job in a matter of minutes, all without going out of his way to be needlessly violent. His instant reliance on violence also caused him to fail the Provisional License exam, while every other "damn extra" in his class passed, meaning they were more heroic than he was at the time, which would surely hurt his confidence, considering he strives to be at the top. Things like these make you realize that his actions would almost always lead to him not only inconveniencing himself, but others around him too, especially when he refused to be protected by his classmates at camp. When he reflects on the Kamino incident, and takes his first step to being an actual rival to Deku, he begins to become more of a leader than a lone wolf, and remains strong and confident without having to commit corrupt deeds or hurt his own teammates. His negative traits are realized, progressively fixed, and translate into a positive variant over time; he DOES learn from his mistakes, and it's becoming apparent that he feels remorse for his past actions. I recommend that you try and reflect on every character's actions, motivations, and improvements. All your reply has shown is that you've completely disregarded the deeper meaning of his interactions, his gradual growth, and anything that isn't explicitly told to you. Learn to read between the lines.

@Strawberry_1183

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I also love Bakugo's funny/stupid moments.

@dandywaysofliving

2 жыл бұрын

I like mineta because I like the perv character. It all started with Ranma 1/2. With paposigh. The old man. Tbh he was the og to me. Stealing up panties and being a pimp. Not even jiraiya can compare. There's just something sad about paposigh that I love. Maybe i enjoy their unrivaled confidence.

I think you started the analysis to late the character starts to change from almost we first see him. When at the festival he is saying to himself not that he has done anything wrong but that Shoto is just going through a stage. This can be seen through his conversations with All-Might and Deku. After Deku's fight with Shoto, he is seen approaching Shoto about the use of the flames but when Shoto responds with its not my mindset about you that's changed, it's I forgot about you. Endeavor is visibly shaken which I believe is the true catalyst for his change. As the person who he put all this time and effort the make the strongest hero ever completely rejects him on every level.

@ileonardoi3791

4 жыл бұрын

The fact is that until recent events, Endeavor didn't think of his acts as something bad and more of a mean to reach his objective, because he was completely blind of everything outside of his hero work, shown at how before the retirement of All Might, he never stopped using his quirk.

@monarch6662

4 жыл бұрын

I Leonardo I all of mha is in one year Endeavor was getting hit with ideological challenge after challenge

Thank you for this eloquent video.

I have an abusive father and Endevor development is 100% accurate and is in no way condoning abuse and your analysis is 100% on point. Many of the things relate to me on a personal level, even the way the 3 brothers react to he wanting to apologize its the same way me and my sisters reacted to it, I don't want to forgive him and while they didn't wanted to hold any grudge against him because it's the healthier thing to do.

Never forgive, never forget.

I really like Endeavor. And not because of who he is. I love him because of who he's trying to become. And trying to fix himself, and correct the things he did. Yes. He was horrid. The things he did? Unforgivable. But to recognize these wrongs, and to see and acknowledge that he himself was the source of it? That's development. True Development. And it's a long road to walk. I'm interested to see how it turns out.

endeavor is the most real character in MHA and he is my favorite

i think what makes Endeavor such a good character is that he was just a passionate dude. he wasn't a bad person initally, BUT its because his greed took over that he became a monster. and since he was humanized, it made his downfall into abusing his family even more realistic and monstrous. His story shows that even "good" people will become monsters if they become disillusioned enough. That's why it was important that he wasnt just an asshole to be an asshole. He was a regular dude who became an asshole, which makes his actions even worse than monsters. at least monsters dont have anything to lose. if we're on a graph, monsters are already on the line, every bad action just goes farther. they don't have much to fall. But people who are regular, they fall even farther than pre-established monsters. their actions are worse than monsters because they have so much to loose. thats why i think that it was good that horikoshi established that before shoto was born, endeavor was just a dude.

_MANGA SPOILERS_ He is written much like the Firelord from A.T.L.A he's an abusive Bastard and a terrible father but thats why endeavours redemption is so important. I should hate him because my father used to beat my mum and i despise him for it he's never even tried to redeem himself for his actions he just says he didnt do it, but with endevour he's acknowledged what hes done and he dosent expect instant forgiveness but he is now trying to be there for his children but as i said he doesnt expect them to forgive him, that is why endevour is enjoyable to read because he shows that people can change without everyone having to forgive and forget.

When people sent death threats to horikoshi i was honestly DISGUSTED

I hate that people pick on me for liking Endeavor and disliking Bakugo

I lowkey want a Endeavor childhood backstory so I could understand why he wants to be number 1 so bad.

@vishaalmalolan4428

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly think it might be because of his quirk everybody's quirk affects their personality a little bit in mha so endeavor being a hothead and a mess might be bcoz of his quirk and I could see that running in the family with if u know his son who has his quirk as well

@jajagaming3602

3 жыл бұрын

@@vishaalmalolan4428 I mean..... the quirk matching your personality is just a theory. I mean it would be cool if it is true. They are things to back it up like with Bakugou and his explosive personality but it could be just Horikoshi just making the quirks match the user's personalities just because.

@fernandourrea6738

3 жыл бұрын

@@jajagaming3602 there's a bunch of proof though, Toga's love for blood explicitely came because of her quirk affecting her personality

@jajagaming3602

3 жыл бұрын

@@fernandourrea6738 That is true.

I have mixed feeling for endeavor but ultimately I like that he realizes his wrongs and tries to make amends. As someone who has been in a long term abusive relationship, I understand all of his family and their positions, but also him. I never got the closure of my abuser trying to make amends, so in my head, I see endeavor at least trying and say, “well look at that”. I have the position of all of endeavors kids right now combined. I’ve been so confused on what to think about her. To hate her, to forgive her, to understand her, nothing really worked out yet. My point is, it’s a fairly realistic look at abuse victims and how they deal with the aftermath, and shows that yes, while abusers are very unlikely to change, there is a very very teeny tiny percentage of them that come to understand their wrongdoings and change. Im all for that

As a person who had to deal with abuse from both parents and my ex in small ways, I read this chapter and felt how everyone in the family felt. My dad and mom abused me but after I started middle school my dad realized his mistakes and acted differently. He never said sorry, but instead changed how he treated me and started to be more kind to me instead of hard and stuff like that. So I felt how some of the family felt when they saw that Endeavor was trying to be better as a dad. I also felt how the one brother who just gave Endeavor a lot of hate because my mom never stopped and my dad couldn’t do anything or else he would get into more trouble. So I’m glad my mother finally left because she couldn’t and will never understand how to change. But I’m glad Endeavor is trying just like how my dad is trying.

I think the manga itself does bring up the question of if Endeavor is worth redeeming based on the reactions of his children. The fact that none of his children are willing to immediately forgive him from the start shows that they appreciate the sensitivity of the topic. They even paint Fuyumi's feelings out as the desire to have a real family than just instantly forgiving Endeavor. That said, the ending for this type of arc has to be carefully pulled off if it wants to leave many people happy. For now, it seems Endeavor has decided that he doesn't need his children to forgive him to improve himself. He knows it's possible they might never forgive him. In the end, all he can do is better himself to the best of his ability, regardless of if he gets the fairy tale ending or not.

the sister would fit into parentification, she is the parent in those situations.

From my personal perspective, I do think everything that has gone on with the character and story wise has been incredibly well written and executed, and remains very interesting to see what happens next for him. And while I'm not on the "Can never be forgiven" extremist side of the opinions, I do understand the people who still don't really like him, I'm currently just in a middling phase. I think with all the discussion regarding forgiving and recognition between his family, I think one important factor they haven't really dealt completely is with Endeavor recognizing why he did his actions. At least from my experience reading, what I understand is that he just knows what he did was wrong and wants to redeem himself, but I think exploring the "why" of what led him down this path could lead to much greater sense of clarity for the character. That his selfishness and obsession with being "number 1" and being "the best" basically led to him breeding children like cattle (and treating them like cattle) just to surpass All Might's title. That all the good he did in the world and everyone he saved didn't matter just because he wasn't at the top of a list, and in turn ended up doing some truly non-heroic deeds. I think recognizing how dangerous and toxic this way of thinking is, and maybe fighting to ensure something like that could not happen again, could go a long way for the character. Ultimately, at least in my opinion, My Hero Academia is story about defining what it means to be a hero, in a world that has forgotten what that means. That working to be the best for others, is better than trying to be the best for yourself. And I am very interested in seeing how Endeavor deals with that issue head on. Still overall, really good and well done video.

@nicholasleclerc1583

5 жыл бұрын

gamesEnlisted I don’t think the “I want to be the very best” thought is EVER as toxic as Endeavour’s version in real life, since we’re all... taught to... respect people (we’re not exactly “taught”, and it’s not specifically “respecting” others, but it’s smth around those that I can’t get my finger on; but anyways, you’ve NEVER heard of a real life Endeavour, and that’s for a good reason; and those that ARE obviously have been educated differently)

@monarch6662

4 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Leclerc false and kinda true we don’t see this in real people the media shows us but we see it in real people earlier in life like the kids who would cry when they had their card moved from green to yellow in their card colors or the kid who had a 3.9 gpa mad at himself for not getting a 4.0 and refusing to celebrate the good grade

@metageek7878

3 жыл бұрын

I really respect this opinion and view point my main point of contention is how freaking toxic some "fans" have been towards Horikoshi on the matter, like there are real life monsters to be mad at but people are picking on a man writing one of the best shonen of the decade for a character's redemption arc, its kind of sickening, And I still see comments complaining about Endeavor on Funimation's comments section of Ep 88 "His Start" saying stuff like, endeavor should just retire cause he doesn't deserve his spot and such things ignoring that ya know, High End would have claimed many many lives if Endeavor had not been there, and of course shout out to Hawks for a major assist, I could rant for hours tbh but in short each action he had done should be judged on its own merits imo

I don't really like endover like at all but I do agree with your point.

I instantly started crying when you talked about Fuyumi's role as mediator because what you described fits to my upbringing completely. I didn't suffer any kind of abuse, but there was a period during my middle school years when my parents were on so bad terms with each other that divorce looked almost inevitable. One day my mom just left and took his stuff and my younger sister with her. She was still too young to grasp the situation, at least in my eyes so I took it upon myself to fix our family's problems and chose to stay with my dad, even though I had much easier time with my mother. During next few months I did my best to try to make my parents to settle their differences and forgive each other and whether that was my doing or not, everything worked out. I however was completely burned out at that point and my social life in and out of school hadn't been pleasant either but since I lived in very backwater and conservative countryside, there were nobody with interest or knowledge to recognize my situation and offer any help, because no direct abuse had happened and I was still doing better at school than most of my peers. Middle school ended, my parents reunited and my problems seemingly disappeared but of course they were just dormant and kept fermenting over years and during the next major hardship in my life it all resurfaced and instead of just regular burnout I now had severe depression, anxiety disorder, trust issues and all kinds of other shit that made me completely dysfunctional human being. And while there was much else than just my role as a mediator, it definitely played important part messing my head up. Receiving outside validation for that problem feels so relieving. Thanks!

29:49 Everyone, wear headphones for the end of this video, and please listen to the background music ! It gave me chills I swear, you won't be disappointed !

A wise man once said that holding a grudge is like letting someone live in your head rent-free.

Endevour is a character that is probably one of my favorites simply because he's very real. Endevor's and Shoto's story arc together is one that is very close to home for me; I've expereinced a similiar relationship with my mother, not nearly as bad, but it's been something thats impacted my family. We're currently on our way to building a positive relationship thank goodness and we have a bright future ahead of us. I think this subject and arc is being handled way better then I've seen in a lot of media and portrays both the abuser and the victims in a very real, human ways and people seem to have a hard time grasping how a lot of these situations are actually handled in real life and what families go through when in a process of healing. All of these character responses are completely realistic and have a level of understanding to them regardling the situaiton! I don't see how people don't get that! The process of healing is easier for others, forgiveness isn't a cop out for absolbing past mistakes. At the same time healing is much harder for others, those whe have suffered the longest or the worst, and yes, even for the abuser. The abuser has to look back on all there past mistakes, come to terms to why they did the things they did, confront past demons they've never wanted to for the sake of change and become a better person their children can look up to. For an abuser I would say in some cases, definitly not all, it's incredably brave to trudge through denial from both themselves and those they're seeking forgiveness from without evening knowing if it's possible. This doesn't make their actions go away. This doesn't make what they did right. But for a parent and a child to reconcile after abuse is something you don't see a lot of media and sort of perpetuates this hopeless narrtive that things will never get better and people can never change. The fact the author of MHA hasn't imeditially made things better between characters is a good sign of self awareness and an understanding of the subject matter he's dealing with. Some people just have no IDEA what they're talking about. It isn't just something thats going to go away; I predict that as time goes on Shoto and Endevor may be able to build a positive, yet tentive relationship with established boundries that will be good for them in the long run.

I think the deeper reason why I like Endeavor is the fact that at no point (so far) has he tried to force forgiveness. He’s patient and understands how he’s harmed his children. So even though he’s trying to change and do better, he’s understands that his family may never forgive him. And he even has trouble forgiving himself.

I am a firm believer that almost everyone can be redeemed. There are of course people that do things to heinous but more often than not I believe in redemption. It does not condone or even forgive their actions but I hold to the idea that hate breeds hate.

Thank you 4 giving endevor the justice he deserves

I do think everyone’s view of endeavour is affected by the way his story was told, we first heard about him through shoto and he obviously will paint him as the worst man ever and him and his mother as victims (they are- I’m not saying they aren’t ) but then Shotos mother doesn’t see him as a monster but a more complex character and this is reflected in endeavour’s 2 other child 1 who hates him and the other who is closer to forgiveness Maybe if the series was about endeavour and we saw everything through his eyes he’d be more popular- you’d see why he did what he did and his rationale behind everything, even if his reasons were unjust we’d understand him and get the bigger picture from the beginning

@citrusangel9488

3 жыл бұрын

@@VeWatchesVideos shoto was never lying, though

Endeavor is basically what happens when their own obsession and ambition goes too far

I have seen a few of your videos and I have to say that you've earned another subscriber! I absolutely love your detailed, but easy to understand approach to analyzing characters. My favorite one so far is Bakugou's. That one almost made me cry. Other KZreadr's had done a character analysis on him before, but not quite like you did. It also helps that Psychology is your field! I also have similar feelings about Endeavor, but didn't know how to put my opinions about him into words, but you took them right out of my mouth! Great job! Looking forward to the next character analysis video!

In my disappointment at the lack of puns in this comment section, I endeavored to make one myself. And of you hated that, calm down, no need to start a flame war.

Watching this after chapter 300 really hits even harder...

Oceaniz, all i have to say is that your videos are accurate, beautifully written and very intellectual. You are an amazing video creator, good job.

Amazing video, really well written, and thought provoking

This video would be a lot longer if this was made a year ago with Dabi.

Imma have to disagree with you at 13:20. Endeavor's true reflection was when he saw the pitiful form of All Might. This man saw him as a flawless hero. He thought about how hard he worked to surpass him only to discover that he too (All Might) was flawed. The monologue he gives speaks for itself as he was well aware of his actions and the result it let him to. Hence why he went to Toshinori for advice.

Endeavor: gets eight place on popularity pole Fans: disagree and makes their own pole Endeavor: *gets even more votes*

See who ever is out there try learning from endeavor its never too late to turn around. and leave the man alone he made a ton of mistakes but shame on the pepole who are trying to demoralize his change for the better.

@deathglock496

3 жыл бұрын

There are just people that are too traumatized to ever liking the character and acknowledging him. I can understand that I never experienced abuse but I can sympathize with what they're going through.

Epic vid and analysis, my dude. Your subscribers are about to increase. I want Nux Taku to watch this!

This.. Gives me an insane amount of closure. I'm still young, 17 and well.. My father's kind of a shithead. Sometimes? I wish my father was Endeavour. He knows his mistakes, and he's trying his best.

This is hands down the best Endeavour video on youtube. I loved your academic take on the subject.

I know this video is pretty old, but I had an interesting experience connected to "abuse". I never thought that I went through abuse but, BUT! My mom died in 2016 and I was super sad, I cried, I mourned, I felt guilt. Then a few months passed and I started having nightmares. What were the nightmares about? Well, in my nightmare my mom was alive. That's it, she was alive. I went home and she was there and all I felt was terror, not relief, not happiness. The feelings in my dream were/are so intense that I woke/wake up crying, frequently. Kinda freaky.

Watching the quality of this video, I was expecting way more subscribers. I haven't watched a video so well made and pleasing to watch, while being both informative and fair. Subscribing was my only option. Keep them coming

I think his kids were cold towards Endeavor when he came home, even though he said he wanted to do better, is because words have no meaning if action isn't taken. They didn't want to believe it until they actually saw change in him. Kids don't own forgiveness to their parents, the parent has to deserve forgiveness. Which is why I like this representation of abuse so much, it's not like Endeavor drastically changed and all the kids forgive him instantly, it takes time. Endeavor's character development is great, and I want the Todorokis to have peaceful lives together.

so, my grand-father. A man who sinned, and regretted those sins; a man who knows the past can't be changed, but the future can be.

as a person with a similar family dynamic, I appreciate the realism with which this family is written interfamily abuse is not always as black and white as it seems

ive always liked endeavour

I like Endeavor even more now after this video! You are 100% right!

I am a huge fan of endeavor

A child got immolated because of his actions? A line is crossed when violence extends to children regardless, he had a redemption yes but looking back at what it causes I don't see myself liking him unless the manga tries to make me, Dabi is the best reason or consequence of these actions, for a person to be that broken, for your tears to never be there because you eyelids were burnt off, it is extremely hard for me to forgive a person who caused that much strife

People seem to not realize that there's a difference between forgivable and excusable, and forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean that "everything's fine" or that you have to trust someone again, or that you're no longer hurt from their actions. There's a difference between forgiving someone and reconciling with someone. None of Endeavor's horrible actions were excusable. Regardless of his intentions and insecurities behind them all, abuse is NEVER okay and NEVER excusable, EVER. Forgiving someone means deciding that they don't owe you anything in return, you release them from their debt. If Natsuo, Shoto, or any of the Todoroki children forgave Endeavor, that doesn't necessarily have to mean that they would trust their father again or have a relationship with him, or that they're no longer hurt from all the pain he caused them. They just aren't desperate for their father to "prove" anything to them anymore. When Natsuo was in trouble and Endeavor made that speech to him to atone for what he did, if Natsuo forgave him, that doesn't mean he has to hug his dad and say "thank you dad, you're the best!" but I could see him saying more of a "thanks dad" and walking away without saying another word (whereas the things he said in the actual show clearly showed that he was still holding a grudge). Personally, I think Shoto has forgiven his father, but clearly hasn't reconciled with him. He's willing to put his issues with his dad aside in order to learn from him to become a better hero. He's obviously still hurt from what his father did to him, but he's not letting it hold him back from being the best hero he can be. Shoto is mature and acts like a professional adult around him, whereas Natsuo would probably shout at him in an instant, bringing up everything we already know again, and then run away. To put it more simply, forgiveness is one-way, while reconciling is two-ways. It seems to me that Shoto has forgiven his father, and so has Fuyumi (the dinner was her idea after all, she wanted to bring the family together again), but Natsuo hasn't, and obviously Touya hasn't either. But while 2/4 have FORGIVEN him, 0/4 have RECONCILED with him. Am I making any sense here? I know I'm rambling a lot lol but this is a topic I'm really passionate about.

As child, i was abused, realy badly. But still, I kinda like Endeavor, even if I see my father in him, I was realy happy seeing Endevor become better person, Great video

Endeavour is my favorite character in MHA, I do not care what anybody else says.

Pretty much a lot of what he said in this video really resonates with me. My father thought out the two decades my mother's relationship with him to and 15 years of it, between me and my sister. We were all mental abused by him. And it's been 4 years ever since we left him, during that time, I started thinking about what do I think about my father? Well came to the conclusion that yeah, I will never forgive a lot of what he is done to me, me, my sister and my mother, but do I believe that keeping that anger towards him will solve anything, no it won't. But I definitely would want to have at least one good memory with him before I won't be able to. What you said about forgiveness at 22:02 - 23:12, definitely resonated with how I feel about my father now. It also reminded me Scar's and the antiviolence advice. In Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood "I know the animosity you feel.... A State Alchemist as responsible for the burning of our village and death of our loved ones.... But, your vengeance will only sow the seeds of further violence. What you're doing is senseless revenge and it's feeding a fruitless cycle of death.... You must end this cycle once and for all. " Scar's Master So, yeah, I don't know if you will be able to see this at all because of how KZread is and probably are busy urself, but hopefully you'll be able to see it some time. And if you do Thank you.