Awesome content James! Hopefully, rail operations will continue to service the industries. Nice to be able to capture a little part of history. Thank you!

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi George. And thank for visiting and commenting. I would think that there are several possibilities for the future: 1. CN might take over the operations 2. CN might wish to sell the real estate; it is CN owned. 3. Another operator might take over the operations of the Grantham Spur. Have a great weekend. James.

White snow and the movement of freight trains. That's a nice composition. Have a wonderful weekend to you.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

まさくんさん、はじめまして。 今週末もご来店いただきまして誠にありがとうございます。 FFV チャンネルに対するあなたの忠実なサポートにとても感謝しています、友人。 あなたとあなたのご家族が幸せな週末を過ごせることを願っています。 心から、ジェームズ。

my favorite is from 05:11 i really like it. The whole video is great. Winter is always beautiful. Have a nice Sunday, Andrea BRAVO & LIKE

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hello Andrea. It is great to hear from you once more. Thank you for visiting and for the generous comment. 05:11 - the arrival at Yale St seem from the drone. I enjoyed everything about that day; except for the fact that it was the last day, of course. It was a cold one ! Stay safe. James.

1859 is one handsome and rugged power unit. Too bad there isn't a HOSE TECH location nearby to save the day. (Plug for my employer haha). Great captures here, important work, much thanks from Guelph.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hello RCJ. Thanks for coming along with us on this important last day journey. I agree with you about 1859. To me it has a very distinctive audio profile. Perhaps all Alcos of that type sound this way ? I haven't seen that many to be able to know that. But its distinctive rumble is awesome. Your visit reminds me that I must visit the RC this year to attempt to catch some local action. Stay safe. James.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

BTW: I don't know if you the time to check out link to the action the day after this 'Last Day' video. If you haven't, you might enjoy the COLD start up of 1859 that happened there on Yale Crescent after the bad hose was replaced. Cold start videos seem to be everywhere in the UK, but not that often in North America, and maybe even less so here. So it is pretty cool IMHO. I think that you'd like that one. James. 1859 cold startup sequence - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGSXw5arn9XNqrep.htmlN4lI&t=214s

Good morning James, very nicely explained, the history of the little railway. Very nice pictures from the last trip with this train, interesting that the locomotive had an oil leak and needed to be repaired. Which is of course better for the environment. The arrival and the shunting journeys were beautifully filmed from the air. Thank you for the great video, have a nice Sunday to you and your family and warm greetings to Canada. wolfgang

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hallo Wolfgang. Vielen Dank für Ihren erneuten Besuch. Und vielen Dank, dass Sie sich unseren „Last Day“-Film von Trillium auf dem Grantham Spur angesehen haben. Hab einen schönen Sonntag. Ich nehme an, dass ein Leck auftritt, wenn Sie fast fertig sind 70 Jahre alt ist keine Überraschung. Das Erstaunliche ist, dass diese Oldtimer-Lokomotive aus dem Jahr 1958 immer noch in der Lage ist, einen ganzen Tag lang zu arbeiten. Ich bin dankbar, dass ich die Gelegenheit hatte zu sehen, wie es immer noch seinen Lebensunterhalt für die Eisenbahn verdient. James.

Great Video. Sad day for Niagara Region Railroading. Nice to have the railfan community join together for something special.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi Nolan. Thank you for commenting. It was a sad day indeed ! The mood reminded me of the similar day of the OBRY - alsoa sombre occasion. I agree that it was respectful for the group of fans to come and bear witness. Stay safe.. James.

Very cool hopefully there will be more rail service on this line

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi Phillip. Thank you visiting us, and for your comment. At this point in time I am not too optimistic about a resumption of service. We'll just have to wait and see. James.

@philliplee980

3 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo your welcome

This brings me back to your video of the last day of operations on the OBRY, James. This was wonderfully documented. It's sad to see that these customers slowly faded away to the point where the spur was no longer financially viable. I just feel sorry for the crews who ran this job.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi Andrew. Thank you for checking in with us. I sincerely appreciate your very generous comment. I believe that you are correct. In the end it appears that there were just too few customers. Dunn Paper is apparently moving. Trenergy (which made and installed all those hoods for the NSC NS coil cars) reportedly informed Trillium that rail service was not going to be needed in the future. That left only Kemira Chemicals as a customer. Thus for a spur of maybe 7 to 10 km in length, it would be a losing proposition . James.

Awesome capture James great of you to catch it

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi James. Thank you very much indeed. Cold and windy that day; but worth it none the less. James.

Cheers for this, James. Bittersweet even if new loads are being dropped.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Greetings Nik. Sad to see that area that once had a thriving industrial population reduced these days to just a few such enterprises. This is the same pattern we see so many places. The 4 full loads taken in to Grantham Spur were empty and ready to haul back out by the end of the day. I hope that you have a great weekend. James.

I’m glad I was able to experience this moment with other railfans. Truly another end of an Era. Amazing Ariel footage like normal. You can even see myself in a couple of your shots lol

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Good Morning, RofO. We'll have great memories of that cold February day. Thank you for the kind comment. I appreciate it, for sure. Some viewers asked me in their comments what was going to happen to the Grantham service going forward. I couldn't give them any answers, obviously. The 29th was a great opportunity to put some faces to the names I was familiar with from FB. I just wish that I was able to remember them all. James.

@railsofontario3029

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo The Grantham & Canal Spurs have no fate at the moment. So far CN (they were the ones who leased it btw) is just gonna leave it all to rot

My luck to come upon this video. That was killer drone shots of a very cool rail fed neiborhood. Guess im a bit late. Hmmm, last run. Hope theres more to this line. Thanks for the beautiful shots bro. P.j Calif.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hello Patrick. Thank you for visiting FFV channel, and for your comment and kind words. I appreciate your support, my friend. The work of Trillium Railroad continues, just not on the Grantham Spur. Trillium has some large customers in the area south of this spur line. So they will be around for a while. James.

Great video, excellent drone footage! I’m your newest subscriber!

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Greetings Rick. Thank you for your very kind comment. Stay safe. James.

Reminds me the movie "Runaway Train" with that paint scheme on the locomotive and environment!

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hello Eric. Thank you for your visit to FFV, and for commenting. I appreciate it. Now that you mention it, I do see some similarities. I actually had to look back 30+ years to see what was used in the film. Apparently a GP40, two GP7's and an F7 were used. James.

@ericsimmons7716

2 ай бұрын

The part that got me was the locomotive moving long hood forward while Manny sees his train. 4:36

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@ericsimmons7716Good Morning, Eric. It was a great sight to see that. Lots of memories !! James.

Hi James. Excellent video, even if it is sad to still be loosing rail infastucture. I never was lucky enough to catch GIO switching Kemira. Thank you for the link ( Rick )

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi Rick. Thank you very much. That day reminded me a little bit of the mood at the OBRY's last day. In a word - sombre. I hope that you gets lots of views from the link. James.

@mandcsdad1

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo Hi James, I thought the same about OBRY's demise. Orangeville is my wife's hometown so I followed the saga of the Railway closely. Unfortunately the OBRY was forced to fail to serve the agenda of an incompetent, or corrupt Mayor. Anyone with a bit of business / sales ability could have guided the Railway to success, and saved a vital transportation corridor. When railways are the most enviromentally friendly land transportation we have, it makes no sense to abandon lines. ( Rick )

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hi Rick. I heard such reports from some of fans that attended the OBYR last day trip. It made me sick to think that it was possible, and made my opinion of politicians even worse than it already was. Which wasn't good anyway. Thanks for commenting, Rick. James.

Great video, James, nice to watch this well-planned day of shunting work! Probably it was a wise decision to repair the oil leakage first. I was wondering why the box cars left the paper factory empty. So I looked up the website of the firm. As they are producing fine papers, it makes it clearer. They are probably distributed on the road. (Had they been producing large rolls of paper for newspaper printing, it would have been an ideal load for the railway.) Have a nice Sunday. Dirk

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Guten Morgen, Dirk. Ich freue mich über Ihren heutigen Besuch. Ich glaube, dass Sie mit dem Dunn-Papier genau Recht haben. Was ich von ihnen nicht weiß, ist, in welcher Form das hergestellte Papier ankommt - große Rollen oder flach auf Paletten gestapelt. Ich werde es vielleicht nie erfahren. Lol. Hab einen schönen Sonntag. James.

Pretty sad, so are they just abandoning this line James? (Dave).

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi Dave. Thank you for visiting again. GIO (which owns Trillium) had leased the Grantham Spur from CN for a number of years and so control reverts to CN. Possible options, as I understand it right now: 1/ CN finds a new operator to replace Trillium 2/ CN takes over the operations 3/ CN offers the trackage for sale 4/ CN could apply to the government to close the spur permanently Apparently, one of the customers (Kemira Chemicals) on the spur is 'seeking options' to get rail service resumed. Trillium itself continues it operations south of the Thorold Spur, however. Trillium has a number of large customers on those other areas of trackage . I wish you and everyone else at SSRP to have a great weekend, Dave. Stay safe. James.

Damn I almost forgot about trillium. I remember trillium back in 2020, and now I heard it's going to be gone

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hi Brendan; Yeah, I'm afraid Trillium's days on the Grantham Spur are over now. But - Trillium carries on work everywhere else, just not the Grantham Spur. James.

@matttherailfan

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideoyou probably wont see them north of Daimler parkway in welland again, no real need for them to go past there with st catharines being gone

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@matttherailfanYes. By going that far north, and no further, they still get access to SLM Recycling. Which would seem to be the most northerly remaining customer. Here's a question for you: When I did the SLM flyover some months ago there were railcars stored on the siding just adjacent to the SLM property. Do you think that these are waiting be be scrapped ? Or alternatively are stored by Trillium for customers? Just kind of wondering about it. Thank you. James.

@matttherailfan

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo majority would be for storage. Trillium is crammed full with cars on every siding and yard

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@matttherailfanThanks Matt. cheers. James.

This is my first time watching the channel, and I was wondering what will happen to the locomotive ?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hello Brenda. Welcome to Frog and Flange Video. I am very happy to have you visit us. At this time there are more questions than there are answers. Trillium Railroad will carry on operations as usual on it other trackage, just not on the Grantham Spur. Alco 1859 will very likely be absorbed into the other Trillium operations. Maybe it will be stored as a back up unit ? Stay safe. James.

Kid @ 19:10 needs to get his head on straight! He caused that automotive traffic to have to stop in front of the locomotive creating a very close call!

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hi Rick. It looks like that . Thanks for commenting. James.

23:42 - did I miss something? Totally different day?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Greetings to you HouseofMasks. No-you did not miss anything. All of the action in this video happened on the same day. I think what might appear confusing is that due to having to land and do a battery changes for the drone, not every last movement could be captured. This perhaps led to the flow of the activity seeming discontinuous at times. Also, due to the cold temperatures, I had to put the drone inside the car from time to time to warm it up. The cold actually caused the settings of the drone's camera to go out of adjustment at one point which required a reset causing some lost film chances. James.

@TheHouseOfMasks

3 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo well it goes from snow covered roads and grass to very dry roads and very exposed grass 🤔

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@TheHouseOfMasksindeed it does.

@TheHouseOfMasks

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo how?? lol

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@TheHouseOfMasksOoohh. I think I see what you're asking about. If it is the weather-then it varied throughout the day. It was not too bad to begin with; then quickly turned gusty and colder by the time we travelled from Merritton up to the customer area around Yale Cres. It was not a great day for flying. James.

Nice shot. Thanks and mainly, mainly, m a i n l y the super good sound of that 251. No non stop horn and bell to cover it. Just 251 !!!! Do you know reason of line shut down ? We can see that a part is already without rails but are these customers leaving railroad service or trackage rigjt or ???? Thanks if you can answer.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hi Daniel. I could not agree more with you. This MLW/AlCO (probably like other ALCO's) seems to have a unique audio signature. It has a growl that is wonderful to listen to. Thank you for mentioning that aspect of the video because we spend a lot of time working to build an audio track that reflects the on-ground action as closely as we can make it. Stay safe. James.

WHAT A DAMN FOOL! 19:05

@ericsimmons7716

2 ай бұрын

The knuckle coupler alone is MIKE TYSON!

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hi Eric. Without rewatching to see 19:05, I am going to guess that it was the young kid running across the street without looking when 1859 was pulling tanks out of Kemira Chemicals for the last time ever. I think that excitement overcame common sense a little bit. Hi is a very lucky young lad that the car driver was on the ball. James.

Great catch. I've always wondered about this line. What is the reason for the cease in operations? Will the customers remain, or be served by someone else?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

These are excellent questions. And at this time I do not have any answers. CN owns the spur and leased it out to Trillium because it was not an economical operation for them. I image that Trillium is ceasing operation there for the same reasons. One reason that I heard was that Dunn Paper was planning to move and would not need rail service on the spur after that move. Another customer, Trenergy, had reportedly told Trillium that no future railway service would be needed. That left only Kemira Chemicals as the sole customer. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Thanks for the great questions. James.

I appreciated this video. I just have a question, if I may. You may or may not know the answer. A caption at the start indicated that the four box cars are paper for Dunn Paper. The crew sets the cars into Dunn’s siding, even though they can only unload one car at a time. When the engine comes back from picking up the tank cars, they pull all four of those box cars out. What was up with that? Did Dunn Paper refuse them?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Good morning Donald. Please understand that due to changing drone batteries from time to time (and also the fact that the action portrayed happened over a good portion of the day) the action filmed may sometimes appear discontinuous. Here is what happened. 1859 arrived with the 4 full boxes of paper. 1859 lifted the 2 empties from Dunn. They pushed the 4 loads into Dunn. 1859 went north to lift 2 empty tanks from Kemira. Over the course of many hours - they spotted the 4 loads at Dunn, one at a time, at Dunn's single loading door. The loads all now empty, 1859 lifted them from Dunn and made up the train for the return trip out of the Grantham Spur. I hope that this make some sense. James.

@TPW900GP35

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo OK, yeah, that’s better. Some of us need flow charts, pie graphs, etc., especially as we get older, lol!

Who is the kid running across Weland avenue? I remember when CN switched that place with SW1200s in the 1990s

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

I do not know his name. There was small crowd there with many coming from some distance. I did not get the chance to meet everyone there by name, unfortunately. He is, perhaps, lucky that he did not get run down by the car. Thanks to the quick reaction by the driver he did not. James.

It looks like there used to be a yard across from Dunn Paper and the line used to continue further. Was this a through line at one time?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hi Chris. Thank you for visiting FFV today, and for commenting. I appreciate it my friend. There was an additional track that once ran parallel to Yale Crescent, but further away from the street than the Grantham tracks. Both that track and the Grantham Spur once extended well past the current end of rail in that direction. Not being from St Catharines and thus not highly familiar with the local history there, I'll have to look that up for you and get back to you tomorrow. Stay safe. James.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Good Morning Chris. The map associated with this link ( www.niagararails.com/cgi-bin/img.cgi?/maps/nsti.jpg ) shows some additional trackage, now disused, that extends out from where we filmed. If you up near the top of the map where the red, blue and yellow tracks converge (where it says St Catharines), this is where we filmed. That is basically where the Yale Crescent Yard is. Neither of the tracks extending to Lake Ontario, nor the one to the Niagara River exist these days. There was a further track, not shown in this map, which went left towards Hamilton, but I could not find a map of it. That is the one that was taken out many years ago, and which ran along next the backyards of the houses along Yale Crescent. James.

@chrisduprey7283

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for all the interesting information and map. It really helped me understand the layout of the area you filmed. I'm grateful you took the time to film this event and share it with us. We can only hope another industry locates along the line and requires frequent rail service. We had a line that was abandoned by the Milwaukee Road coming into my hometown and the state ended up buying it. Fast forward 30 years and the line abandoned by the Milwaukee is now a very busy Oshkosh subdivision on the Wisconsin & Southern and the jointed Milwaukee rail was replaced 2 years ago with new welded rail. @@FrogandFlangeVideo

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisduprey7283Hi Chris. Perhaps there is hope for the Grantham Spur yet ?

Sad….Anybody taking over the Route for the Customers?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

3 ай бұрын

Hello doublediamondrr. Thank you for visiting and commenting. I have not heard and news in that regard, yet. As I see them, the options are: 1.CN (which owns the trackage) may resume the service , 2. Another contractor may take over the operations, 3. CN may apply to the government to abandon the line permanently and, if successful, rip out the tracks and sell the land. There might be other possibilities of course. We'll just have to wait for further news. I read that one customer (Kemira Chemicals) has already made a representation to some level of government to try to get serviced resumed. It could be the City of St Catharines. Having a local railroad line end up being owned by a city is not unheard of. James.

@doublediamondrailroad5949

3 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo Sounds good. I’m sure some Entity will pick it up if the Chem Company still needs Service. I’m sure you stay abreast and be out there for the new Operator’s Switching. Thanks!

So is it officially done running trains on that line or is it now just "as needed" trains

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

Hi Randall. It's over for now. Whether CN (who owns the spur) will take over is an unanswered question. As far as I understand it 'as needed' trains have not been discussed. Thanks for your comment. James.

@randallmeadows9568

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo thanks I got lucky once while I was on a trip to the falls and caught it and it's been one of my favorite little lines ever since

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

@@randallmeadows9568np; glad to hear from you , James

I didn’t see in the comments but will this line be abandoned or is the line being taken over by a larger railroad?

@FrogandFlangeVideo

Ай бұрын

Hello Kevin. I don't have any info on that at the moment. The Grantham Spur is owned by CN, with Trillium having leased it for a few years. The answer to your question is in CN's hands. It is possible that some other railroad operator will take over. Thanks for the comment. Stay safe. James.

@kevinkearney6847

Ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo still a shame to see a company cease operations…. I love that loco too

@FrogandFlangeVideo

Ай бұрын

@@kevinkearney6847 Yeah; totally agree. I expect that this loco will see duty on Trillium's other operations in the Niagara region - just not on the Grantham Spur. I haven't been able to get down there since I did that last day film work, so I cannot say what is really going there right now. I hope that Trillium does not scrap it. It has a really cool audio signature. James.

@kevinkearney6847

Ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo oh so they aren’t quitting operations all together, just that spur! I didn’t understand what was going on then. It was my impression that the trillium is ceasing operations all together. I still hate to see stoppage of anything on the railroad personally.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

Ай бұрын

@@kevinkearney6847 Me too Kevin. I could have explained that better I think. Thankfully the Grantham Spur part of Trillium's operations were not that significant at the end. So Trillium carries on, and hopefully the Alco carries on too. I hope to film some more of Trillium's actions this summer. Stay safe. James.

Whats with that Annoying clicking sound through out the whole video. Goodbye.

@FrogandFlangeVideo

2 ай бұрын

I believe that the noise you are hearing is the pressure relief valves popping open to relieve excess air pressure from the system.

@GMCGUY-

2 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo definitely not