Despite my skepticism, the beta is going well. Two weeks, a hailstorm and a lightning strike later… And we are still enjoying way faster speeds than ever possible before. The cows are finally streaming their favorite Netflix shows in high def.

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

You heard it from the horse's mouth!

@iskandermakhmudov

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha! Keep us updated. How long have you had this slow ADSL speed?

@isobelbjarnson6547

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling imagine calling your cousin a horse 🐴 😝

@jacinthclifton636

2 жыл бұрын

I for one am exstatic that you're sharing a real life example of what this product was made for. OFF grid internet with few compromises. One look at other satellite internet service costs and capabilities and you'll understand why STAR-LINK appears to be a bit revolutionary. But we need the real life EXP Annie, keep us posted!

@deemushroomguy

2 жыл бұрын

Still doesn't compare to the price of cable internet. The price still needs to come down significantly if they want to compete, thus allowing for the freedom they so brag about.

I love how she is saying she's "very skeptical" while wearing a shirt that says "but what does the data say?"

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@nataliegrn17

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment on the Internet this week.

@Bubu567

2 жыл бұрын

The data is generally against all the bullshit that comes out of elon's mouth. I don't blame her for thinking it's all a scam, like almost everything elon has ever done.

@juanmacias5922

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bubu567 TRUTH.

@TheMatthewDMerrill

2 жыл бұрын

The shirt can be taken both ways depending how you think about it

I love how you did your sponsorship. Most Sponsor segments I want to skip over, but your sponsor segment was well integrated. It's something I wont use but you made it seem like a good deal to buy it.

Starlink was NEVER going to be competitive for anyone in an area with high-speed internet. Their customer base should be geared toward rural and remote areas. The question is can they profitably serve that specific low population density niche.

@poolhall9632

2 жыл бұрын

When I was growing up all the people in my Granny’s hometown had satellite dishes because you couldn’t get cable TV any other way. Star link is great if you’re stuck in Africa with no infrastructure.

@jacobp.2024

2 жыл бұрын

Technically? Yes. Remote workers would be their best clientele. High wages in low income areas.

@Dave102693

2 жыл бұрын

Or telecoms can just run fiber to rural areas instead of being el cheapo.

@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dave102693 Do you have any idea how much it cost to lay fiber per mile? How many customers will you have? How long will it take to recoup that cost, much less make a profit? My driveway is 3 miles long. That gets you to an unpaved county road that's another 20 miles to a state highway then another 26 miles to the nearest town (7,000 people). The town doesn't have fiber optic, but let's say they did, to run a fiber optic cable to my farm it would cost $1,350,000.00. It's not really an option in a lot of areas in the U.S..

@andynarain672

2 жыл бұрын

Also they should focus in airlines and sea transportation. There are lots of people that want a better Internet while they are on a flight.

To be fair if I saw Jeff in my living room, I wouldn’t believe it either. Love your content Jeff as always thanks so much

@glen4cindy

2 жыл бұрын

I live in St. Louis and I probably wouldn't believe it either!

@spunkmire2664

2 жыл бұрын

To be fairrrrrr……

@blevenzon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Randrew who hurt you?

@AquaHorizonGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@Randrew lmfao

@JK-zx3go

2 жыл бұрын

@@Randrew you're this guy, "Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the words that come out of it".

Just got this from Starlink: Starlink is excited to announce Portability as an add-on feature for all Starlink customers. Portability enables customers to temporarily move their Starlink to new locations and receive high-speed internet anywhere where Starlink provides active coverage within the same continent... You can enable Portability for $25/month on your account page.... So, not only can Jeff not transfer Starlink to his Cousin, now it looks like Starlink wants to charge more to let her borrow it...

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I just got the same email tonight lol. We'll have to see how it plays out-my guess is I'll get auto-enrolled, maybe? I'll have to chat with my cousin and see what happens.

@xDownSetx

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like Starlink is just getting its feet wet as an ISP, but it's catching on to the tricks of nickel and diming its customers just fine.

@jermwerty

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling It was enabled when Musk sent those Dishys to Ukraine. The demand greatly outweighs the supply on Starlink for better or worse. It will punish users who try to use it in this fashion permanently without changing their address: "Users who stay in the same area outside their service address location for an extended period of time may see a further decrease in performance to accommodate users at their Service Address." So maybe your cousin shouldn't be so miffed about the waitlist - due to demand it still matters.

@evangelosdiamantisjr.9373

2 жыл бұрын

Well that escalated rather rapidly!

@johnkean6852

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling Hi. How do we know its not just picking up a signal from your modem and not a satellite LOL 🤔 Why don't you test this?

Clearest and most honest ad I've ever seen, you should make pace, I'm sick of hidden annoying sponsors. Kudos to you, sure!

Good for you, taking the initiative. Hope it all works out

The biggest problem is lack of transparency. If they would just be honest, people might be disappointed but would be understanding. Instead they just lie: oversell and under deliver- knowingly.

@nathanbanks2354

2 жыл бұрын

They're probably overly optimistic. One person says "I think it may be possible to do this in three months" and Elon thinks "This is definitely happening three week."

@Megatog615

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanbanks2354 famously "overly optimistic" elon

@KameraShy

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes with technology, you just don't know. That they have done as well this early is remarkable.

@ronb6182

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not paying that much for internet that is an open door for thrives. I don't care how fast it is. 73

@davawen9938

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanbanks2354 More like "you better do this in 3 weeks or you're fired" sorry, no syndicate for you, spacex engineer!

The lack of builtin ethernet and the use of a proprietary cable is the most asinine thing they've done with the new revision, especially when Oleg Kutkov reverse engineered the dongle and it's just a passthrough for Dishy and the eth connector + magnetics and few passives IE nothing special. In fact he also designed two versions of a mod board you can install yourself to add eth. Despite these shortcomings at the end of the day Starlink is pretty much the best option for people like your cousin, I can only hope they get better at customer support etc

@jermwerty

2 жыл бұрын

The router lacking an Ethernet port really was a product of the chip shortage mindset.

@Anohaxer

2 жыл бұрын

@@jermwerty It has Ethernet, just not the port. The proprietary connector carries 2 Ethernet lines over it. There's really no point in using it, you could rip it out and plug the wires into two ethernet ports instead and it would work just as well.

@levikemp

2 жыл бұрын

@@sixforks6543 that's not an option for everyone. I live in rural Missouri as well and cellular service is spotty at best. DSL averaged 5 down. Starlink has made working from home so much better for me.

@sixforks6543

2 жыл бұрын

@@levikemp what cell service were you using?

@joshuasimmons2412

2 жыл бұрын

@@levikemp just get external directional antennas even if its spotty on cellphone you find the tower you can reach them miles out with antennas it's what I'm doing at my parents. Lte is pretty good if setup right cheap too.

Love the mini tour of the various locations!

Thank you for that little detour and sharing the landmarks in the park! I appreciate it

I recently got my Starlink, finally - rural eastern TN. I was equally disappointed by the lack of Ethernet hardwire on the router. I have been waiting 6 weeks for the adapter to ship and it just got pushed another week. I'm not hopeful, but will wait since I can't bring myself to spend $200 on the adapter... So, until that happens, I use my existing AT&T Wireless for the home and Starlink wirelessly for my office activity since the wireless doesn't reach the house and I don't know if bridging the Starlink wireless is possible...

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

It is possible but isn't ideal. I'm still amazed they didn't just include a port on the router. The chip shortage can't be blamed here, even-there are thousands of PHYs available in quantity for pennies...

@TheWebstaff

2 жыл бұрын

Just get a WISP type router and use the internet that way, or use DDWRT and build a bridge. If your not using VoIP services or gaming you'd even get away with double NAT. But starlink's wifi won't be any different to any other wireless. And Wifi done right especially as 1:1 works pretty well.

@Average_Geo

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWebstaff thanks for this reply. I thought about it conceptually but since the adapter was expected to ship I didn't pursue it. With this week's delay I may want to dig into it a bit. I have plenty of hardware to firmware flash into a DDWRT solution for a bridge/WISP (repeater) solution.

@gpturismo

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling Yeah, i want to see if it's a usb ethernet adapter and if that effects the speed like on some devices that use a usb controller. I had this issue with comcast biz when they replaced my router once and they wouldn't listen.

@andrewmcewan9145

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWebstaff if you can set a dmz theough the starlink router I would just do double nat. Wifi does not have previsons for using multiple macs over a single link and by using dmz its effectively opping all ports to the inner modem so upnp works. Nvmstarlink is cgnat abusing upnp may work but i have not found a upnp foreworder. In theory it shoud be easy. Capture upnp packet change vars to point to middle router insted of end device foreword on to up stream.

"Remember when we had to stop using the Internet to make a phone call?" Nope. Instead, i remember my connection being suddenly cut off because someone was picking up the phone without telling me first. And sometimes i miss that eerie whistle the modem card did every time it initiated a connection. I also miss the times before the Internet (dare i say even a PC) came into our lives. As always, great video Jeff. I wish i also had so tech-savvy and helpful relatives.

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, also fun times when you'd call a friend whose parents had a fax machine, and they forgot to turn it off. So you call, and after two rings, it's all like "EEEEEEEEE SHSSHSHHHSSSSSSHHHH" :D

@JBoy340a

2 жыл бұрын

And then 9600 kbps was smoking fast.

@IanSlothieRolfe

2 жыл бұрын

@@JBoy340a My first modem was 1200 baud, and I used it to connect to Compuserve, in the late 80s when it was a text service owned by H & R Block. The servers were in the US and I was in the UK using PSS.... those were the days! I later upgraded to 2400 baud and then a ex-GPO 9600 baud modem which seemed like lightspeed at the time. I wasn't able to get ADSL until 2001 or so which was pretty late compared to the rest of the UK but I'd endured years of US forums telling me how great ADSL was :D

@Distriived

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'd be in the middle of a fight in Runescape and someone would call kicking me off the internet. Then when I logged back in learned I had died and lost all my Rune armor. Ah fun times and good memories lol

What's up MO! I live in LA now, but you make me miss my home town! Keep it up Jeff - you and your Dad represent the best of Saint Louis!

I was at Forest Park today, bread co this week and also live right next to Faust. Great timing as a fellow Show Me! I may need to purchase Starlink since you already showed it works in my area. Thanks for the good content and clear presentation. I really thought it would be faster by now, but seems to be improving all the time. This was the honest review of Starlink that I've been waiting for. It really hit close to home.

My favorite thing is the time Elon retweeted the guy who made a bracket to mount it to his Model X. The guy paid to have it fabricated and he didn’t even know he couldn’t even use it like that once he got too far from his house.

@johnkean6852

2 жыл бұрын

It's probably picking up a signal from your modem not a satellite LOL

@Voyajer.

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnkean6852 k

@antonisautos8704

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnkean6852 that doesn't make sense. Do you know how internet works? An ISP provides service to an address and the modem decodes that signal they send you. It also is assigned an IP thats used by your ISP. Your router then disperses that signal and has its own IP used on your LAN or WLAN. The satellite is connected to a modem router combo and the modem router combo is plugged into wall power only. Your ISP can't send you internet service through power lines. The dish itself receives a signal from a satellite and that signal is decoded and dispersed to the end user via the modem router combo.

Seems like you forgot to say that this videos sponsor is the department of tourism for St. Louis. 😋 the city looks beautiful.

@jordanmalfara1501

2 жыл бұрын

Makes me want to go visit tbh

@RobertKliethermes

2 жыл бұрын

He showed very choice locations, 90% of it is a trash heap. I live just 45 minutes away from STL, so I'm not just blowing smoke. I avoid that city at all costs.

I've got it in a rural section of TN where the only thing we've had for years is 2-3 bars of 4g from Verizon, even worse if you are in the house. Aside from a few outages from network issues and a couple from obstructions, a few limbs from really tall trees that can't be easily pruned back, Starlink is the best I've ever had at that location. Easily good enough that I can over look the few shortcomings.

I'm trying the same at my brother's farm to setup basic internet service. Your StarLink success inspired me to persue the project idea again. Wish me luck.

The roaming being on is both good and bad. It's going to screw people over who live in popular areas when their cells get flooded by roamers dropping speeds. That said, Starlink has been bizarre on what constitutes a "full cell". If your getting 130mbps download, your cell isn't even close to full yet Starlink marks them as full (why!?). Starlink did the same thing with the lower latitude US states, fully serviceable but they refuse to send out dishys and activate service there for over 1+ years after service actually worked there. There is a lot to hate about Starlink's rollout process and policy but if you get it and it works, it is the best thing ever, at a very good price.

So cool to see my hometown (Ålesund, Norway) at the end of the video!

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like a beautiful place. Would love to visit someday!

We love our Starlink setup. It arrived less than a month after ordering, was super easy to set up and it very comfortably runs 3 tv's, 2 laptops, several cell phones and tablets plus around a dozen smart light bulbs.

I ordered mine last week expecting to wait a year or so, it was delivered yesterday. It totally depends where you live. it is NOT the dishes that are limited but how many satelitte spots that are available above the house you live in (hence why you can not move it) so if you are in states yeah you may be waiting, move to canada and have yours next week too :P

Thanks for the impromptu tour of your area. 😁

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

It's not fancy, but it's home :D

Almost spat out my coffee when she said this could all be a deepfake. LMAO!

@michaelterrell

2 жыл бұрын

She seemed fake, to me.

@dh2032

2 жыл бұрын

she was probly think he shooting video to be shown around April 1ST, so yes, it well with in his skill set to do! 🙂

@michaelterrell

2 жыл бұрын

@@dh2032 How is he going to fake a speed test?

@DrewNorthup

2 жыл бұрын

Could have been Red-shirt Jeff…

@joshix833

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelterrell Make a fake website that just displays some random number. That isn't hard

Your Cousin cracked me up. I loved the tour of St. Louis. I’ve Never been there but flown over many times

I live in Mexico and when we ordered our starlink a few months ago it arrived in about 2 weeks. Since then we've had very little problems with it. Download speed is way better than anything else we have had before. The main thing that could be improved alot, at least in my area, is latency. That is so high sometimes that it's not very good for gaming. But the rest is mostly good. But starlink isn't designed for people in urban areas. So if you live in a city you're probably better off getting a good fiber optic or something.

We just got fiber here in West TN. Regularly getting 600 Mbps down AND up. But we are considering moving back to rural MO because of family, so I am keeping an eye on Starlink. Thanks for the update.

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

When you move to MO, just run a fiber line out the back of your car on one of those huge reels.

@JosephFrietze

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling 🤣😂🤣 brilliant! (Guys, Red Shirt Jeff has the keyboard today.)

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling It's pretty much how they run Hacker conferences like HAL2001 (Hackers At Large)

I like the tour of St. Louis too

I really appreciate your cousin's humor. That was a good laugh.

70 W power consumption is still *a lot*. The typical german household uses about 300W on average, getting starlink (and running it 24/7) would increase electricity consumption by a whopping 20% in that case.

STL Represent! Great video Jeff! I hope that Starlink can get their act together.

Meanwhile in Germany: Some streets in cities like munich are getting these exact dsl speeds [8 down at best, under 1 up] with as many dropped link connections as the early starlink service had, having no higher tier to upgrade or any planned installation of fiber in the next 2 years or so…

@MiGujack3

2 жыл бұрын

That's crazy I've seen the smallest of villages getting gigabit in Spain.

@GamingDad

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiGujack3 they kind of have to to avoid smaller towns losing their younger citizens.

@LNCRFT

2 жыл бұрын

The inconsistency is real. I live in a small village with like 600 people and only get 16 Mbit/s DSL but 7km further in a town with a population of 6000 people or even in my dad‘s village with like 400 people living there, you can get 1Gbit/s down- and upload (optic fiber). It’s absolutely ridiculous in Germany

@LNCRFT

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiGujack3 Same in parts of Germany

@tenkiaqua6131

2 жыл бұрын

It's not only Germany. In many developed country, the infrastructure upgrade is very expensive to convert from DSL/Coaxial cable to fiber optic. In Vietnam(a developing country), they converted all DSL lines to fiber optic 8-10 years ago when I lived there. Now, I lived in a big/rich community in USA, not rual area but there are only two options: DSL line over the old phone line and coaxial over the old TV cable line. Both of them are charging more than Starlink at the same speed. A lot of USA's cities doesn't have fiber optic in their infrastructure. There is no upgrade plan at all. So, I don't believe I will have fiber optic in next 3-5 years. That's suck

Amazing video! You got another sub. And i am on the waiting list for starlink too.

My brother has had his Starlink for 3 months now, and it has been awesome. He is in a van in western US and it has always worked extremely well.

Thank you, Jeff! Good to see your struggles to get it working on the farm finally paid off! Glad the circumstances worked out that roaming works now! Thank you for the update!

"There are no situations where running glass fiber infrastructure is less cost effective than launching thousands of satellites into space."

@daveamies5031

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe not in the contiguous US, but in the rest of the world there defiantly are, don't believe me, just cost out the cheapest fiber run to Pitcairn Island, they people there would consider the ADSL mentioned in this video a significant upgrade. I can give you more examples, but I think this should be enough.

@BrianMelancon

2 жыл бұрын

The biggest impediment to running the fiber is politics. Do you know how expensive politicians are?

@brynyard

2 жыл бұрын

Well, here in Norway it's often quite easy and cheap to get fiber if you live in the countryside, quite simply because we've had robots stretching fiber optics along the power lines since the late 90's. It's actually more difficult to get decent internet and speed in the city center, used to have 1gbs up/down, but now I "only" have 500/25mbps.

@totalermist

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveamies5031 Well, even for those use cases you wouldn't necessarily need a satellite mega constellation in orbit. A much smaller system would do. If you don't care too much about latency, a single satellite in GEO would do the trick.

@AllenLantz

2 жыл бұрын

that's a lot harder to find out then just saying that. falcon 9 launches are about $9 million (or less) + cost of the satellites, half a million each. you can put 40+ into space at once. in the grand scheme of things, that's pretty affordable. you also get the added benefit of less government control (censoring, propaganda, blocking, etc) Then if you wanna run fiber everywhere, you do have the added benefit of there being pre-existing fiber, but fiber cables (for residential use) is about $1-$6 per foot. hundreds more for better cables. add in labor and the sheer amount of people and distance there is to cover and the price quickly adds up. You also need technicians literally everywhere to fix cables and other issues. the biggest issue would be "the last mile" and cost the most. and it would be especially difficult in rough terrain or weather (Siberia, Himalayans, etc) SpaceX says it would take $1 trillion for worldwide coverage, and while I couldn't find an estimate for the same for fiber optics, I'm certain it would be more or similar, but with higher operation costs. SpaceX literally has their own rocket, they can launch at the cheapest price, and usually that's just the cost of fuel. I'm not exactly sure which is more cost effective, but SpaceX obviously can afford it, so it seems like it's that route that works the best.

Exciting that the coverage is getting better, but yes it's taking far too long to rollout. As a remote worker I'm hoping it'll be ready by the time I finish my camper conversion so I can travel and work from anywhere

I live in a rural area of Brazil and immediately signed up for Starlink. It might seem weird, but I work remotely and the latency for me is the biggest issue. Starlink has a lower latency to my work stuff than fiber at my office. Can't wait for it to be available at my place!

What is the best ratio of cream cheese to bagel surface area?

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

100:1

@zambonidriver42

2 жыл бұрын

Product idea: you could do the Griswold non-nutrient cereal varnish on bagels, and then just put diced bagels pre-packaged in cream cheese.

@SylvieTheBagel

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling eh 101:1

What a trip, I worked at stl over the summer and I'd been to all these locations.

At 2:06 you can see the small town I live in called Sullivan. A little unfortunate it's in the wait-list zone but I'm not surprised. Also I noticed you live in StL. Thats pretty rad. I've had a few jobs in the StL area before. Nice city in some parts.

I loved the tours of the parks!

7:06 You're right. They didn't have satellite internet back then. I'm pretty sure they were still on dial up 😛 Anyway, I'm looking forward to the day I can have starlink on my motorhome. Getting 100+Mbps while cruising at a comfortable 65mph or parked somewhere remote would be awesome!! Best I can do right now is use the hotspot on my phone or purchase a 4G/5G router and data plan which is pretty much the same thing.

Starlink will be ready for primetime once at least half the satellites are orbital routers, instead of just ground-orbit-ground relays. Hopefully they'll be able to keep the launches up at their current pace.

@Hex-Mas

2 жыл бұрын

Trash in orbit lol

@CharlesVanNoland

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hex-Mas Is that just a feeling or a conclusion resulting from logical deduction?

@godofnothing520

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so cause Wired Internet Fiber will always be faster than Starlink. Starlink was made for internet accessibility if you are in a remote area. But if you are looking for speed, Internet home cable will always be faster. Every wireless device always has a delay.

@CharlesVanNoland

2 жыл бұрын

@@godofnothing520 In many places it's getting harder to get broadband - and fiber has been out of the question all the while. My friend had to back out of buying a house 2 doors down from his existing place because ATT is no longer allowing new DSL accounts. They wouldn't even just move his existing account. The house already has a copper phone line, they just don't want to deal with the overhead of providing broadband to rural areas anymore - telling them to switch to their hot new wireless internet access point, except that they don't even provide cell service out there. Starlink is the only option for my friend out there and he'll have to wait for another year at least the way things are going. Yes, fiber on the ground is faster, but it also requires that it exists. Starlink will exist virtually everywhere on the globe you could find yourself, no wires or fiber required. No ground routers to maintain, just pure data transfer through the sky. The delay of transmitting to low earth orbit is only milliseconds more. This isn't geosynchronous satellite internet we're talking about where there's 500+ millisecond round trip time.

The fact you said 88Mbps was disappointing, shows how different life is for people who live in smaller towns is compared to bigger more “techy?” city’s are

Ayyy you showed my town on the map! Edwardsville

I've had Starlink for about 4 months now. I finally received the ethernet kit. I don't need the super kit. On average I get 30-40 Mbps to my computer. Way better than the local ADSL at an average 3 Mbps. I meets all of our needs just fine.

@brettcombs774

2 жыл бұрын

How's the uptime. I've got ~8mbps adsl. Ordered SL back in Jan for Eastern NC. No word yet.

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Did you order the Ethernet kit when you ordered the dish originally? That would be a long time to ship!

@jhill4874

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling When I ordered my Starlink they were still selling the round version. It took over a year to get my kit and we got the smaller square version. I realized that we would need the ethernet cable capability, so I immediately ordered the additional kit. Took about 2 months. Not too bad for Starlink. We have a large 2 story house so a single wireless router doesn't cut it, and the Starlink wireless router capabilities leave something to be desired. Also the total lack of any technical details. The ethernet adapter allows for only one IP address, so don't hook up a switch to it and hope to connect multiple wireless routers. My current configuration is the WAN connection from my third party wireless router connected to the Starlink ethernet and two access points wired connected to the router LAN ports.

@jhill4874

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettcombs774 My old ADSL downlink was maxed at 12 Mbps and 900kbps. The SL raw to the ethernet port is 160 to over 200 Mbps and uplink over 40. With the wired/wireless setup I have my devices get 40-80 Mbps downlink and up to 20 Mbps (more likely around 5-8 Mbps) uplink. Considering we usually got 5-6 Mbps downlink with ADSL and questionable reliability, the SL is a godsend.

@RAndrewNeal

2 жыл бұрын

While we struggle to get high-speed internet connection in rural areas of the country, Arabs are sitting in caves with gigabit connections. Thanks, bureaucracy and red tape.

Elon not delivering is pretty much a meme. Or it should be.

@CarbonPanther

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the meme's arrival date has also been pushed back.

@TheWebstaff

2 жыл бұрын

Cyber truck, The truck, hyperloop, moon by some number of years ago mars by now. BFG already in space and preparing to take millions to mars etc etc.. He's just a dreamer.

@advocatusdiaboli1588

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWebstaff Yeah Dreamer, thats another Word for it.

@Antti_Nannimus

2 жыл бұрын

The sooner we can get Elon Musk on his way to Mars, the better it will be for everybody. Hell, he might not even make it there.

@helloeverything496

2 жыл бұрын

vaporware salesman

I ordered mine pretty close to announcement so happy when it came on time. Didn't even know there were issues now. Nothing but good for me

Just an FYI, you may be able to get rural home internet through Verizon or T-Mobile. We were running on Rise Broadband for several years, but the service couldn't run a single 1080p video without several buffering sessions. T-mobile was available in our area for $50/mo, and now we're getting (on average) 100mbps down, and 25mbps up. The latency is all over the place (20-100ms), but we were able to dump DISH Network ($120/mo) and Rise Broadband ($80/mo), and get KZread TV for $65/mo. It's not the best, but it's far better than anything else in our area.

My parents need starlink so bad. There is no form of High-speed internet. They do have old Pots line that's about it. If I can ever afford this setup I will get it for them.

@yarpenzigrin1893

2 жыл бұрын

They're probably better off not connected to the internet. It's full of degenerates and leftist NPCs.

@LadyDewBuild

2 жыл бұрын

The microwave radio networks are more reliable, and cost much less then starlink. The local phone companies are installing them everywhere.

@henderstech

2 жыл бұрын

@@LadyDewBuild If by that you mean Fixed wireless. There is 0 LTE signal 0 5G signal..well actually a bit down the road some neighbors can pick up At&t 4glte but its 1-2 bars and unstable. They have a large antenna w/booster. At&t and verizon both will not sell fixed wireless service to my parents address aswell.

@henderstech

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me I have explored every option for the last 15 years and Starlink is my best shot. Its sad because we are about a mile from my local High school and elementary school that has a 911 dispatch center next to it. They have Fiber and cable broadband that close and we cannot get any company to bring it closer. I thought we would have some luck since our state government said they would basically pay to have internet expanded for these companies since that is their biggest reason. Well that was a few years ago.

@LadyDewBuild

2 жыл бұрын

@@henderstech Naw there are other options, Cambium puts out some great PMP gear, and local rural phone companies are staying in business because of it. 100mb down, 25 up up ~$100 across the country.

If only we could assemble a team of individuals such as yourself, the content you produce and the insights you have are so valuable. We need more knowledgeably people like you Jeff, amazing content as normal :)

I live in San diego and my internet speeds were just like hers before fiber was installed to my neighborhood about a year ago. I love fiber so much

I thought the hexagons on the map were just for show. Then I saw the pan over at the end and LMAO

This is great information, I also Live in Saint Louis, and our farm is off Highway 19 in Audrain County. I found out The small town Montgomery City on the way to our farm has fiber internet in the town, but cell service out on our farm is limited.

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

If the distance is right, it's possible you could get point-to-point wireless running with pretty good speeds. Would need to find a place willing to do that with you.

This comment section is going to be completely balanced and without hyperbole - I can feel it

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, just wait until the Elon [lovers|haters] flood in once YT's algorithm starts recommending it outside the normal channel audience!

@dmacpher

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffGeerling RIP

We ordered ours, got in a week. I set it up and it works wonderfully.

That was really great thank you. Now I'm curious how it aligns and the type of servo motor that it's using with omni direction? 2 servos or 1?

I signed my parents up for Starlink two years ago, and they've been using it for over a year. The actual internet connectivity improved over the first 6 months, and now they have great internet. Before they were using Xplornet: satellite internet with excruciatingly slow upload like your cousin's connection but with 700ms latency due to the geostationary orbit. I'm glad your cousin's connected!

Makes sense that they don't allow transfers. If they did then their system would be even more rife with scalpers.

This was cool to watch. I live with family in rural Southern Illinois across the river from St. Louis. We have tried DSL and Satelite. But, found the T-Mobile Home Internet is great speed wise.

I’m more or less just happy to see a KZreadr from my area. 😂

I want more content about how cool St Louis is.

I got vanced, and people like you with actual informative sponsor segments that fit in the video are the reason I disabled autoskip, keep up the good work!

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

I always try to make sure the sponsor is more or less integral to the video. Thanks :)

I was in the same shoes as your cousin. My internet was 6mbs Down and less than 1 up and less than that for years. I preordered Starlink and kept getting the run around for a couple years. Luckily for me, my Electric company begin rolling out Fiber to underserved areas. Now I have a 1Gb service for about 80 a month. No issues. I just keep my modem and router on a dedicated UPS backup and am always good.

A thought on your cousin not getting her dish yet. I pre-ordered days after they opened the public beta. Several months later (a little after they a had projected I would get it) started seeing them around (I'm on the road most days so I noticed them), including some people I knew who had signed up quite late. So I started looking into how to contact support and one of the things I did was finish setting up my Starlink account. Never figured out how to contact Starlink, but about week later I got a notice that it would be shipping on a certain date. It may have just been a fluke, but it can't hurt to make sure her Starlink account is all setup.

I would love to see if I could get Starlink working on my private jet, but I don’t have Starlink, and I don’t have a private jet.😉

The Bread Co bread sliced bagel is soooo amazing. Before my last road trip, I bought a dozen and shared with the friends I was visiting. Forest Park is amazing and so underused. Glad the dish is working properly. I also wonder if in Forest Park with the prevalence of wifi noise, if that wasn’t a factor in slower speeds (IE was the graph measuring the dish or your phone’s connectivity.).

@MizzurWalrus

2 жыл бұрын

for people who were unaware, “St. Louis Bread Co.” is Panera in the rest of the country, and they’ll bread slice your bagels if you ask for it

@TheHsan22

Жыл бұрын

Was it really a Bread Co bread sliced bagel and was it soooo amazing? It could be a deep fake…. I want to eat it for myself.

Youre getting better speeds on that than my spectrum commercial connection

"Do you remember the age when we had to interrupt internet if we would like to make a phone call?" Well, actually at the time VoLTE was not supported by my mobile phone carrier (Telenor (ex Yettel), Hungary), I had to switch from LTE to HSDPA+ while making phone calls, which is really slow.

Pre-ordered last March, initially said i'd have it around September last year, still not here and now says late 2022. Wish Elon would spend more on rolling this out instead of buying Twitter.

@CelluloidRacer2

2 жыл бұрын

Would be nice if there was something that Elon could do about it, but business processes in the space industry tend to be limited by a lot of other things and not the CEO

@librab103

2 жыл бұрын

You would think.

@librab103

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelluloidRacer2 I love how it is never Musk's fault.

@Ignacio.Romero

2 жыл бұрын

@@librab103 I love how hypocritical elon hater are. When one of his companies does something good, it's the engineers or the team that did all the work. But when they do something bad, it's always Elon's fault

@librab103

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ignacio.Romero none of his companies have done any good. It amazes me the number of people who come to defense of a guy who should be in jail for fraud.

I had a different experience here in Australia. Dish shipped in about a week and adaptor shipped almost immediately after I found no ethernet connection. So far everything is working but I'm concerned/sceptical of the starlink business model so we will see how long it lasts.

Damn that sucks. I got my starklink in 4 months. It’s been a week now and it’s awesome!

Thanks for the tour of Forest Park. That was IMPRESSIVE. Nope, St Louisans are not too proud of Forest Park. Truly IMPRESSIVE.

I enjoyed this video! We moved away from St Louis in 2015, still miss a lot of things about it. I sure hope Elon puts more effort into Starlink, because they sound a lot like a cable company! 😒

@gavinjayasmr

Жыл бұрын

I saw a Ad for Starlink, Here for Ireland they wants e495 for a Kit and e85 a Month, That is very costly, I think.💰💰💰

If only they were more transparent and embraced good standards instead of locking customers to some weird proprietary solutions Custom connectors instead of PoE, configuration requiring a special app, blocking access because it "might not work", etc. are all user-hostile practices. I wonder how would Elon respond if someone high-profile called him out on Twitter

Just had 2 comment, you showed my hometown, when you said boats👍Ålesund, Norway

Love the SCSI shirt, Jeff!

15 months since I made my $99 deposit and still waiting. Currently with Centurylink's DSL which is so slow (1.5mb/s down and 600kb/s up) that I have 3 circuits and I split the traffic between them. (no bonding allowed with Centurylink). So yea, to me Starlink will be welcomed at any speed, if it ever gets here.

@user-dr6oe1ki6x

Жыл бұрын

Im in the same situation, made the deposit and its been nearly 2 years with nothing heard back.

I was thinking, if it is possible to use a router in bridge mode to connect to starlink wifi-only router, then you could have three or so ethernet ports. Just place the routers as close as you can and the signal quality should not be bad, considering most of the people who have to use starlink are in rural areas with only a few neighbors, might not even fill the 13 or so 2.4Ghz channels.

@YourMJK

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? If you already have a router just plug Dishy into the WAN port!

@amnottabs

2 жыл бұрын

@@YourMJK iirc it powers the dish using that same cable

@stehlajz

2 жыл бұрын

@@YourMJK He is talking about using another "router" as wifi client with bridge mode so you do not have to pay the 200USD scalper price for eth adapter. Will it work? Sure. Is it stupid? Probably, but not including even one eth port on the new version is even more stupid.

@chrisb9319

2 жыл бұрын

@@amnottabs There is a power brick with two RJ45 ports. One goes to the dish and supplies it with PoE and the other goes to the router. So no, not really using the same cable.

@YourMJK

2 жыл бұрын

@@stehlajz EDIT: I was wrong, the new rectangular dish doesn't have an RJ-45 connector at the end and also requires the included router for PoE. You will need the adapter to plug it into your own router. -Yeah, I understood the idea but why would you ever want to do that when you can just plug Dishy directly into your other router using Ethernet?- -You don't have to use the included Starlink router, that's just a bonus.-

never realized you were from STL! small world...I'm nearby in STC. my brother has starlink up near Elsberry for a year now and it's a lifesaver for those in rural areas.

Ordered and got my starlink in a week including the ethernet adapter. I live in rural illinois and our property has lots of tall trees near the house so I have it mounted on my barn roof where it has no obstructions and then shoot the signal with a 5.8 point to point setup to my house. Works good. Speeds vary a lot. I previously had fixed wireless wtih a dish pointed at a corn silo 3 miles away where the ISP has their equipment. I had 50 down 10 up from it but at night it would drop possibly from too many subscribers and not enough hardware. I am a few days in with starlink and I would say its very usable but because the speeds go up and down so much I am not sure its actually better. However, I am on the fringe of their coverage area and I am hoping as more satelites launch the service will smooth out.

@JeffGeerling

2 жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed it improves!

Idk how you could be on the fence about Starlings long term prospects? Global satellite internet is an awesome thing they're definitely going to achieve and also very lucrative. They may be pushing back dates but the progress is still extremely fast.

@fitmotheyap

Жыл бұрын

"Global" You mean just the USA? Business it's better to use fiber, normal people.. just use fiber, if they can't afford fiber they can't afford starlink Unless they plan to reduce the monthly price to $30 or less then it's not going global

I calculated the capacity versus the footprint of each satellite a year or so ago. I can't remember the exact figures but it was something like starlink can handle one customer per two square miles of land..

@marcogenovesi8570

2 жыл бұрын

perfect for farmland

@GilmerJohn

2 жыл бұрын

I live in a semi-rural place with no cable. We now get wifi from the cell provider. I have a neighbor in the same boat. We're kicking around getting a starlink setup and "share" the wifi and split the costs. We shall see.

@GilmerJohn

2 жыл бұрын

@Racheed Mahewolf -- On the order of 100 yards. I could see his house except for the trees.

@GilmerJohn

2 жыл бұрын

@Racheed Mahewolf -- Oh, it would have to be Wifi because there is a public road and a vacant lot between our two homes.

@JBoy340a

2 жыл бұрын

That would be fine in most rural area. Starlink is not designed for urban use.

When he said he wanted the cost to come down he probably meant his acquisition cost, not the consumer price.

I pre-ordered Starlink for my mother's address and recently went active in April. Hooked it up and when it has a good lock on a satellite, it's BLAZING but I've seen it go down to 10mbps down too so I have a feeling her area isn't fully saturated with enough satellites but I think average I see 80-100 down and 10 up. The ping times are all over the place too. From 60ms to 110ms, per the app. HOWEVER, it stomps Windstream's 5Mbps/0.4Mbps DSL connection since they refuse to run fiber on her road despite being given tons of money to do so...

I am still waiting on starlink, but in reality with price increases and the time it's taking, 4g lte may be my opinion . I use it now with one of the RV plans which I bought for 65 a month and my 100 gig TMobile hotspot which is 50, and I have useable internet , not 100 meg, average 30 meg down and 11 meg up. it's enought to work and watch TV. tmobile just added new towers so my 5g signal , is there, and with my booster my 4g is max.. I may switch to tmobiles internet next year if starlink does not deliver , I could cancel the hotspot and the RV plan and it's 50$ a month. I tested it here, and since it has priority I get 80mb down and 15mb up. plus it has hardwired ports .

@johnkean6852

2 жыл бұрын

Tmobile are thieves keep an eye on your bill: they take money out of your account with your permission

@johnkean6852

2 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with youtube its free🤔 you're throwing your money away.

@iccaros

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnkean6852 i have had TMobile since eitneas voice stream.. never had a issue with billing.

@jcnash02

2 жыл бұрын

The main issue with T-mobile fixed wireless is that it only supports IPv6…so if you work from home and use a corporate VPN or VOIP, you will never get a connection.

@iccaros

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcnash02 not had this issue, but I use my own router between, and so no issues with ip6 between

I can see the roaming fee coming soon. Maybe a convenience fee too.

Thanks for this, I haven't seen ANYTHING on mobile yet.

When the IT nerds in the family over deliver lol Really cool video and good info about Starlink.

I hope you setup a raspberry pi and collect up/download speeds over time. I’m worried that Starlink will throttle the speed over time for roaming connections. They’ll treat roaming connections as a lower class service giving preference to people who are subscribe to that geographical area. QOS type rules. Say at 6pm everyone in that area sits down to watch some Netflix. Any roaming connections could get throttled or even disconnected.

@dwild92

2 жыл бұрын

They are treating roaming connections as less priority one, it's part of their user agreement: > Service at Secondary Locations will be best effort and users may see slower speeds during times of network congestion. Obviously they aren't getting priority, that's for the people that bought the service at that location, not for the ones that bypass the waitlist. There's a finite amount of bandwidth they can provide at every location and that's a good way to handle this situation.

@boomertsfx1

2 жыл бұрын

Constant speed tests are dumb, especially on satellite.... You're just wasting real bandwidth.

@featherpony

2 жыл бұрын

Today Starlink started sending out roaming bills for Starlink.

@subagon

2 жыл бұрын

@@featherpony I thought this was a joke and then I saw this, kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3tm1ahrfs7Hado.html

I wish Starlink would provide at least monthly updates. I've been waiting over a year to try to get access in Mid Missouri and have seen it go from Mid/Late 2021 to Mid 2022.I have a feeling the Mid 2022 is not going to happen.

@Fetidaf

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard it got pushed back to 2023 now but I haven’t checked the email I have with Starlink. I just want something that’s more than 2mpbs down and I’ve been waiting a year and a half and looks like I’ll need to wait another year…

"Until next time, I'm Jeff Geerling" Sir, you're still going to be Jeff Geerling after that!

@JeffGeerling

Жыл бұрын

Oh, shoot!

The preorder is not chip shortage related as in the UK I ordered one 3 weeks ago and got it a week later.

I got my Starlink back in March and it's been working great. I get anywhere from 50-180Mb/s download. (It fluctuates a lot, which is to be expected with satellite.) Ping times are usually around 25-35ms. We've had about 6 devices streaming Netflix and KZread for hours, and never had any problem. It completely quit working for a little while one day, but I imagine that was network maintenance or some such. Overall, it's been great. I can finally play games online. I can download a many-gig file in less than an hour, as opposed to the several weeks it would've taken with the 4G hotspot we were using before. The price increase sucks, but it's worth it, because we simply don't have any other option. (Weirdly, my account says my bill due this month is $25. Don't know what that's about.)

Enjoyed the video as usual, the interesting take away was slicing bagels. I'll try this, but strong judgement might happen -- like people who cut sandwiches on the horizontal or vertical rather than the correct diagonal.

8:56 --- lmaoooo you may not even be here, i dont know.

Wow... Writing this on September 21 2022. I am in Spain, I live in a rural area, and I ordered Starlink last Friday (4 business days ago) and it is arriving tomorrow. I just had to pay 390€ as a one time fee and I will be paying 70€/month for the service. Where I live I have no fiber, ADSL is rudimentary, and 4G is weak and 5G non-existent; Starlink is by far the best option. The whole ordering experience has been completely flawless and quite pleasant. It is shocking to see how bad it was, and how far Starlink has come since. I guess I will see how the product and service actually are on the practical side tomorrow. Might give an update here