adjust your rates when a game starts feeling like a job something needs to change

@user-ss6gp2gu6r

4 жыл бұрын

Well, youtube is his full time job.

@lukewaltrip1962

4 жыл бұрын

LZ Drake cough cough rust

@omglozza

4 жыл бұрын

How do you adjust rates?

@joshkarl9687

4 жыл бұрын

LZ Drake well like for farming sim I can grind it for awhile but it gets boring after awhile so I cheat in money so I can do whatever

I think using mods to get more resources is a great idea. You’ve been grinding the hell out of this game and the fact that you still have a resource problem shows that the gathering in the game is pretty unbalanced

I enjoy seeing your builds, and I look forward to the ideas you have and seeing them come to being. I don't care how you get the mats, I'd rather you up the rates so it is not such a grind for you, honestly. No reason to burn yourself out. Thanks for the awesome vids :)

@antboy6460

4 жыл бұрын

My name is Anthony as well. :)

@j0hnbane

4 жыл бұрын

Hellu Anthonys!

@PinkFluffyPencil

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. @j0hnbane I honestly think it would be best to adjust the gathering rates. What is the use that you enjoy building and solving problems but have to grond so hard, just to do what you like? I fully back this and would love to see more content.

@judesmithmaddock6200

4 жыл бұрын

Freddie van Rooyen grind* also I completely 110% agree as if I had the games I would probably do this. As I don’t like games that are too grindy. 🐨

@doctorfortcraft6140

4 жыл бұрын

@@antboy6460 my name is not Anthony but i wholeheartedly agree!

I don't fault you for getting bothered with the grind. I've been working on a truck myself, a sizeable vehicle-but still, just a relatively small construction, and the grind already feels overwhelming at times (admittedly that might also be due to being built out of metal 3). An entire base like the one you're building Now I'm perfectly honest, I kinda prefer vanilla, even if the game is overly grindy, but that's personal preference on my part. I think to be able to point at the completed base and being able to say "I built that, with unmodded gathering rates!" is a nice feeling too. (As I had with the wall I built around my tribe's village in Ark.) It might be worthwhile adding your voice to the gathering rate rebalance discussion the devs have put out and seeing what that rebalance brings. I could probably go on a rant about how the game's strength is construction and how the current grind is more of a distraction from that than something that contributes to a sense of accomplishment-or how the current scarcity of resources discourages going for aesthetics in addition to pure functionality-but like you I'd prefer not to be overly negative. That said, as I've stated in an earlier video, I would not mind seeing some more content around grinding resources and the things you run into there. It might be inspiring for many mechanics to see how you manage those more boring aspects of the game. Edit: as for the elevator's speed. Have you considered staggering the piston extension on the controller (so the first piston expands first, then the second, then the third. Rather than all at once?) - I did notice for the controller the strength seems to be tied to the speed in some of my own builds using them)

@mikesheahan6906

4 жыл бұрын

If enough people use a "reasonable" gathering mod, the developers can incorporate it into the game. Why get stuck on vanilla, if what you really want is chocolate.

@krantzjr.6093

4 жыл бұрын

Aecius the Philosopher that elevator idea would be pretty simple to set up with just a sensor, an and gate, and a switch. i honestly think a yeetificator ( a catapult) would work too.

@AeciusthePhilosopher

4 жыл бұрын

@Renzo Paez Thank you for those kind words. Mike Sheahan For me, playing vanilla is part of the fun, similar to how rebalancing mods (both reasonable and unreasonable) or new parts mods might be part of a fun experience for others. You do you, your fun isn't wrong, and neither is mine. I also feel that the argument of enough people playing a mod can go both ways, where the devs can say "well, there's apparently a perfectly good mod out for that. So there's no need for us to add that feature/rebalance anymore." I've seen devs go both ways on that. That said the devs have asked for feedback on rebalancing resource collection recently. Hail Kalashnikov True that. I can even imagine some more advanced logic and sensor systems being used to make the elevator go up and down at different speeds.

@judesmithmaddock6200

4 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. +100 likes

@yourdadtimelost1376

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think there should be a major rebalance just for things like oil that are annoying and difficult to get not like metal where if you build a mediocre vehicle then it’s fine to farm a decent amount of it.

have a nice day :)

@enderedgeyt

4 жыл бұрын

You too!!!

@joshuapettersson2623

4 жыл бұрын

:D

@kayagorzan

4 жыл бұрын

You too

@starlight5ky

4 жыл бұрын

you too!

@anklebiter4172

4 жыл бұрын

You too, friend!

i'd say put the gather rate up, you cut most of it out anyway, so it only costs you time to prepare time you could spent on making another video

@kirihitiana

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, he's already proven his skills and determination in terms of resource collection. No shame making it a bit more manageable to keep sane, so he can focus on "creative survival".

@Meowstick

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

Yes!!!! A John Bane vid! You have just cured my boredom. Thank you!!!

@prasannapalla4189

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah!

you have already proven yourself so if you want to up the drop rates or even enable cheats I say go for it.

@bennettbeans4137

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely I know I am amazed at how much you have done if you want to take it a little easier it sounds like a great idea

@omglozza

4 жыл бұрын

How do you up the drop rates?

@Loaderdani

2 жыл бұрын

@@omglozza There are mods in the steam workshop that you can download, or if you are good at coding, you can find the yields in the steam files and swap out/multiply the yield numbers.

If there is a mod that allows you to trade fruit for mats, that would be a balanced tradeoff. You still need to work for it, but you can focus on building, and only go shopping if you need it.

@renvolt

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I edited my game files to add the ability to trade fruit for materials and my life got so much better. Much more fun defending my farm from raids to get mats then spending hours grinding rocks.

@SpeedingSideway

4 жыл бұрын

Renvolt I do the same thing

@corbinclark1770

4 жыл бұрын

What are mats

@kuhljager2429

4 жыл бұрын

@@corbinclark1770 Materials, supplies, resources, and other such items. I used shorthand without really thinking about it.

I think piston speed is also strength, that is why it is slacking. Try upping the speed but use the controller to have the postons go in different order, not at the same time.

@kintrix007

4 жыл бұрын

And then he would immediately die from the impact with that speed...?

@fatty2408

4 жыл бұрын

Not to be rude but you typed poston. I just that that was funny.

@thenullprofessor5442

4 жыл бұрын

@@fatty2408 Not to be rude but you typed that. I just belavved it was funny

@Meowstick

4 жыл бұрын

KaDaBe are you trying to make it continue or are we all dumb

@AverageJoe610

4 жыл бұрын

Meowstick Gaming I think he might be saying that the other dude is being rude or something

John has plenty of patient!!! Amazed

Man that is a cool elevator!

Grinding resources is borderline a waste of time, we'd rather see what amazing ideas you can come up with and build! Turn them up!

@PizzaCat1732

4 жыл бұрын

the grinding part is the survival aspect of the game you can watch some sm creative

@texag1517

4 жыл бұрын

@@PizzaCat1732 creative doesn't have all the other survival aspects such as raid defense and poi exploration. If the physics were better and the game didn't get wonky with complex harvesting builds, I'd say leave it. But since that greatly limits what you can do, I think turning up the material harvested is the best option. It shouldn't take 4 hours of grinding for 30 mins of content. Creators are going to get burned by that and turn away from the game.

@IRMentat

4 жыл бұрын

@@texag1517 game tend to get wonky with over-complex builds and a lot of the builds I see are putting absurd amounts of strain on single "rod"/pivot points with no backups/redundancies. it's a fairly good physics system overall, the math on some of the functions (pivots under high-load, bearings under high-torque, suspension under any non-fixed object) just doesn't seem to cap out or reduce the calculation cycle time so it's over-calculating numbers that should be hit a cut-off/fixed maximum value (functionally, component unusable) at that point. simply put, people are applying 6-15 multiplicative/exponential calculations on objects most likely designed for 3-4 and the engine is handling it remarkably well. how many other games allow for a single hinge you can essentially pivot your entire base upon while maintaining a real time physics sim?

John you’re the best

@dtheguy

4 жыл бұрын

exactly

Just what I needed after a restless night. Keep up the great work John and I'm looking forward to the next one

@ONERR4RF

4 жыл бұрын

I’d sub but you’re prof pic is a furry

I am using a light gathering mod. It just gives random amounts between 1 and 3 of certain items like oil, clams, and milk. I'm also using a mod that lets you craft component kits. Might sound broken, but you still have to grind for the mats to make them, which requires circuit boards. With as rare as component kits are, the amount of them you need is way too high. The amount of materials needed to build anything in this game is excessive. The small blocks make for pretty builds, but you need thousands of them to do anything. And the game does not make resource collection easy, what with the wonky slippery tires, and goofy game breaking physics glitches that cause builds to explode whenever there is a bit of lag. If somebody makes a mod that makes pistons and bearings actually hold together and be as strong as they SHOULD be, I'm going to be all over that. I say, mod away. The game requires it until the devs fix the issues.

A few things are holding the game back right now. 1. The inability to pump oil (which they are working on). 2. The sketchy physics around bearings and pistons. (And other things). 3. The insane lag (poor optimization). 4. Resources like trees and rocks don't respawn. Still a lot if work to be done on the game, so I doubt anybody will mind using mods to supplement your mats.

It should be more rewarding 😂 The amount of time spent on this game and you still battle with getting enough MATs shows its not rewarding enough

@FenrirYT13

4 жыл бұрын

Can't really on this game yet

@logiarhythm6285

4 жыл бұрын

That's just why I think cheating is legit in this game. I don't wanna waste my time with all that humdrum farming.

@yuckno1984

4 жыл бұрын

Are you related to Danny duncan

You make the best most aesthetically pleasing creations out of all the survival mode youtubers

I like how to elevator is going, looks industrial. I like the locking mechanism too.

Build a mega lift to bring your cars and trucks up and down the mountain with ease

Hi. I don't mine that you use mods to ease the endgame gathering. I will still watch!

I got to the point where I had all the guns, 5 good vehicles, all the food I could eat, and can do everything easily. I changed some script stuff to give me unlimited materials, and I'm having a blast building a cool house in the middle of a lake. This game's end-game is "grind forever to build any cool shit", and that's straight up not fun for me. Imagine if you didn't have to grind mats. You could have done the bridge in a day. I can't speak for everyone else, but if you want to "cheat" in a non-competitive game, I'm not gonna be mad.

I’m really enjoying this series. If you’re still playing, totally get a mod. I understand not enjoying the grind and I think most of your viewers will too. Anyone who stops watching because it’s not quite Vanilla isn’t worth keeping.

I think upping the collection rate is a great idea and I think another great addition is upping stack sizes for the mats you collect.

have a good day john :)

I think adding the resource mod will make things a little more interesting with you being able to do more

Can't get enough of it more longer videos

High John I think you should get some mods because you’ve worked hard to make good content and with some mods you could save some time and make even better content :)

Ok, I have a lot of things to say. 1 On the controller you can put a betting that swings a bar underneath the elevator when it is in the up position.2 as someone who plays survival, I completely understand and support you get a mod to make resources faster to collect. 3 you can replace the floor of the elevator with mesh to cut down on some weight. And 4 I love the vids, and I for one feel like you should go for quality over quantity when making your vids, take your time and do not drive yourself mad doing these things. Disclaimer, I wrote this half way through the video.

GET SOME SLEEP

@THESLlCK

4 жыл бұрын

No

@zealousdoggo

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

I think you should increase the speed of the pistons, so that they will be less flappy.It works last time on your bridge with the mini-elevator.

You probably should make it a hybrid elevator, like using bearings on the bottom to push it while the pistons pull it, may work better

I hope you have a good day and keep up your good work

If you use the small chairs, you don't pass out if the elevator moves to fast, and it even doesnt look that bad. I love all your series, and you deserve so much more subs

woohoo!

The trader's hill is a popular base building spot XD thought I was the only one building here

Love it :)

Wanted to make a pitch for your consideration. I’m not building my base on any sort of cliff but you sparked an idea; a Ferris wheel style elevator. Having 2 cabins on opposite ends of a bearing would allow there to always be ride waiting for you at either end. They would also counter balance each other making the effort put to create rotation wouldn’t be as intense. It would also mean there aren’t 10 individual pistons creating 10 separate structures that slow the game down. Food for thought, keep up the good work.

As far as I tested controllers get stronger with their speed set higher. So what you could do is in each phase of the controller you only extend one single-piston, but then set the controller speed to max. That should solve your loss piston issue.

I pretty new to your vids and iv been really enjoying your stuff I was watch slip and he changed something in the lua I think it was called just to up the gather rate slightly if you done that it’s still vanilla if anythin is technically truer to life on a lot of stuff you could do that to lessen the grind for you but you should do what you want to do people come here for you and will support you decisions anyway love you videos keep going

I think you should up the rates. At the scale of the buildings you are making, I think it would help to double the drop rates of components from hay bots and double the amount of mats gotten from refining. Play with those amounts for a bit and adjust however you feel afterwards.

I agree. End game gathering rates should be adjusted. Especially glue and fuel. The game should allow you to eventually farm and the trade for resources. Adjust your rates and keep the contraptions coming!

You should definitely up the rates for sure, John! as you said, you'll still put the work, just gonna save tons of time, so go for it! Your builds are always fantastic!

I love the mod for harvest gathering increase, it doesn't make it feel broken or too easy. Also I love the crafting recipe mod. They both made the game easier but not too easy, plus if you're building on this scale i think you need some help!

improved gathering rates would be a good thing for everyone i believe. less grind and therefore less time and less stress for you, meaning better (simply due to less grind and stress from the grind) and or more videos for us! sounds like a win win to me.

Love it j0hn ban3

this game NEEDS gears, Toothed track segments, and hydraulic pistons rather than pneumatic ones. Also some way to kill weeds

please make a huge ship to transport the semi it would be cool

If it helps keeping the vids coming then why not. You're much more creative than me in this game and having played just a few hours of survival I can appreciate the pain it is to collect mats for your videos.

So cool

16:26 nice in a good way

Unrueal elevator man! And in regards to the MATS ... the faster you can get them, the more sick guy stuff like this you et to show us !

BLESS YOU JOHN!

John, Im pretty sure you can change piston strength in the configs, just something to note if you do some modded rates. Personally I think the rates in the vanilla are WAAAY too low, comparable to base ark survival evolved before they added the ability to increase resource gathering.

love your video john.... keep up the good work

John, you should ABSOLUTELY up the rates, early games that artificially slow down progression irritate me. I've upped my rates a little and it's so worth it.

I've heavily increased the drop rate, stack sizes, and crafting recipe output amounts. I don't mind grind, but it feels awful to grind a whole day for barely anything. It's made exploring actually enjoyable rather than a necessity. I also want to mine and cut trees now. The base game is definitely not balanced properly

Awesome 👏

I haven't finished the video so you might have done this, but I would add a sensor-activated block on the bottom of the elevator when it's at the top to prevent sagging. Edit: Oh, you did that!

John how do you cope with the constant grinding for mats and tedious building or constantly falling to your death? John: It iss what it iss

I'm playing with the two mods DieselDesign uses. Buffs gathering and allows you to craft a lot more: e.g. Component Kits

Try putting suspension at bottom for smooth slowdown at end!

Great video

Youre completely right about the resource thing, i dont really like to use mods in these kinds of game, but SM is just too grindy, i've always liked this in games, but this game its just ridiculous. Oh, and actually, idk if it'd work, but maybe try divide the pistons, like, 5 on the top of the elevator and 5 on the bottom, maybe it'll help with the support, idk, just an idea!

Fill the outside sides with glass, so you can see the mechanism

Overall, I'd say do what makes you feel best. Don't get burnt out. I can see and understand both sides, but it's up to you and how you want to manage your content. You can't and won't please each and every one of us, unfortunately. I just enjoy watching your videos and taking inspiration from them. How you get the mats is of no concern to me. Cheers, and thanks, J0hn!

24:32 yeah definitely going to wait for some balancing on component kits before i really get into a playthrough.

Nice elevator ;)

Johnbane, you might've well made a skybase with that XD

While you were building, I remembered the Lacerda Elevator here in Salvador

mod it up, you already did the work vanilla, now we want to see your creativity unleashed!!!

Kan did a Video about a binary system elevator using bearings. It’s pretty old but if you change the multiple bit part into just one bit it would fit perfectly for your needs.

The simplest way to make the elevator slower is stagger the piston firing sequence. They do have a push/pull force which when they all fire at the same time stacks up to create the anti-gravity velocity you are experiencing.

I’ve seen other episodes where u used it but it looked so cool that I wanted to see the episode u made it

nice video [:

Yeah, up the gather rates by maybe 2 to 3 times I'd say is quite reasonable. And the elevator, perhaps doors that could open somehow so you don't fall out during the trip up or down, however it would work. Its good tho :)

If u change around the drops on haybots it's pretty good to get kits

Some suggestions, replace the elevator carriage with a low weight high friction material, add suspension and ad a braking system in the middle

John you are the best sms player ever you got the best idea and logic damnnn....something in you is rare and that makes you the best, I watch so many player playing sms but non like you still...

Ok John listen my dude..... Stagger the pistons to reduce the overall speed

Your doing grate mate keep going and experimenting

@xandermulligan7543

4 жыл бұрын

Great ***

Oof real mentol breakdown in this episode

I think you should adjust the rates. we did just the basics because even for two guys its super grindy just to make basic things. be basically did like X's 3-5 depending on what it is.

Do the same on the top, as you do on the Bottom, let the pistons pull your elevator 1 block more up, but make a solid stopper that prevents it from doing, so it should stay at the exact level you want.

keep it up. mr and my grandson love watching your videos. would even like to see grinding mats as well, this is a super cool game

Put a seat in the elevator and you will be able to accelerate it without falling, very nice elevator by the way

Dude, you put in more work and time in this game and it pays off cause your content is a joy to watch, but seriously mod the collections! The mod on the workshop that adds some crafting lets you craft components, I understand some people might see it as OP or whatever, but come on, it's a game and should be fun. If doing that makes it fun then by all means, do it! We're here for the joy of watching you enjoy the awesome building you do and fun you have with the game. Mod it up man!

Amazing work as always John! As I'm sure you're aware, pistons IRL are used in compression, not tension, hence the sag. If you could put all of them in the base of the elevator you wouldn't have that problem. Hopefully some day they will include a cable & winch system. Keep up the great work and take care!

Noice

You've done way more than most with the vanilla rates man. You've put in the grind, it is time for the reward... Mod your rates! Your community knows how much time you've put in, and you deserve a bit of a break from the grind.

You can slow the elevator down by having the pistons extend one or two at a time instead of all together.

Please do whatever makes your life easier so that you can enjoy what you are doing and be able to make stuff the way you want

Go mods, made the same decision after clearing my first couple warehouses, the grinding just takes way to much time.

Love the vids 😎 please keep uploading sms

Make a miner with a big "fly swatter" type arm on the front to mine the rocks form the top down, even at an angle, and it will be able to get the loose ones on the ground as well. I think that would be the easiest way for mining the rocks in the game, since they are on mounds most of the time.

Noti gang

I don’t see any problem installing some kind of resource collection mod, especially since you’re taking time to make giant beautiful creations.

Probably someone else already mentioned it, but you should only need two XOR gates to make it be callable from the floor. First gate takes as input two switches and the other takes as input the first gate and another switch.

Hi JohnBane love your vids!