I have to side with elegoo on separating out the heater. My printer sits in a fairly well-regulated room, temperature wise, and I've got nothing to gain from adding a heater to my printer. I'd imagine roughly half of resin printer users are in a similar boat, whether due to their setup or locale. It just makes sense to separate out that functionality, rather than incorporating the cost into every single printer sold. Elegoo's been the primary force driving down costs in hobbyist resin printing since the Mars 1, and I'd have to imagine a lot of careful cuts and consideration went into being able to put the 4 Ultra out at $400.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

That's a fair point... but I have a couple of Australia buddies who have no issues printing in the day, but find falling temperatures a night a big problem. However, I appreciate not everywhere is the same - and I'm a little biased on this particular subject 🤣😂🤣

@TryptychUK

2 ай бұрын

I was getting failed prints for weeks inside my fairly warm house. Thanks to Vogman's heater project, I have rarely had a problem since. Temperature is more critical than a lot of people imagine.

@jasoncombs3232

2 ай бұрын

My printer sits in the garage so a heater is desperately needed in the winter.

@MLaak86

2 ай бұрын

@@vogmanthat’s why I have a mini enclosure with a full on proper heater

@youtubevanced4900

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t buy a printer without a heater. If they wanted to reduce the price they should of got ridden of that useless camera.

Great video.. minor note. The Camera is accessible by Chitu Free (the only chitubox I use), including the resin timelapses

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for clearing that up buddy. I wasn't 100% sure. Now if only I could get it to work 😁😁😁

The Prusa SL1 has been doing the tilt-release thing for years now. About time someone else did it.

what printer would you recommend. what you think it the best at home printer right now. i just ordered the saturn 4 uktra but can cancel my order if you know a better printer around the same price.

Great review! What's the time required on your other machines for the Goblin head? As comparison between different printers I mean, that's more interesting than the specific mm/h calculation imo.

What type of primer would you use on build plates to help prevent failed prints?

How high is the printer itself when flipping up the lid? (I mean the max height)

They definitely seem to have a 2 step forward 1 step back philosophy, but progress is progress nonetheless. Great video as always!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that tilt release is impressive.

Nice review, I preordered one yesterday. Will be upgrading my halot lite.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoy it! 😁

The missing heater is a major oversight. How much of the vat rim remains outside of the chassis when it tilts though? I would be inclined to use one of the belt style vat heating means, but am concerned the belt might interfere with the tilt.

@11:30 I always wondered what you look like... :) Still not built my furnace which is based on yours but without the lift, I will lift the crucible instead. My MYPIN TA4-SNR controller died, shows as power off/on but it never cuts the power to the SSR. It's always switched on. Having trouble finding a new TA4-SNR. :( Not been watching much lately and have an original Elegoo Mars. What would you put your own money on at the current moment in time? Speed not important a bigger platform is a must though. Thanks for all your work..

My worry is the tilt motor, how long will it last? Is there a option to turn the tilt off if the motor fails?

thanks for your last 2 reviews VogMan!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I am secretly in love with the Revo right now, but I try not to let that bias my reviews. As for the M7, I believe I have one on the way, so who knows 😁😁😁

@ozkanmemisoglu9085

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman We are also waiting for a comparison of 3 new printers (:

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Sorry... they all come at once.

@ozkanmemisoglu9085

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman Indeed, companies suddenly launched their products on the market. Things got very confusing(=

I’ve wanted to get into 3D printing for years. This feels like a great machine for first timers 🤔

Great review VogMan appreciate your input and this printer sounds like a winner and I am wondering where would one install the carbon filter and the mini heater ? Thanks for the review.

I'm a little concerned with the additional mechanisms involved in the tilting vat. Just one more integral aspect that could go wrong. Changing out the screen and fep is one thing, how do you feel about this component possibly breaking and needing to be replaced?

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I'm always wary about mechanical moving parts too. Time will tell I guess.

@rossaryrose9337

2 ай бұрын

Use 3d printer to make new one. Jokes aside, its looks quite sturdy.

Been waiting for this one!!!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I hope it was worth the wait 😁

This machine is looking seriously impressive for the price! The Timelapse footage from the AI camera looks great as well from other videos I have watched… I have read a lot of criticisms for the Tilt release being an extra “fail point” but the feature makes sense to me. Great video as always VogMan! I think I’ll be pre-ordering this one.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching 😁

I've seen another revue where resin drops were spilled inside the machine and on the camera (probably because of the tilt mechanism according to the tester)... you didn't have any issue like this?

Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra or anycubic M5S Pro ? the best ?

I had a Formlabs Form 1+. It was similar in that it utilized a tilt feature on the resin tray to “peel” the print from the bedplate. Over time, I noticed the constant peel to one side would throw off the bedplate leveling. In addition, sometimes, the tilt wasn’t “deep” enough to execute the peel. Meaning, the bedplate would twist and deflect over the entire resin tray tilt cycle. It would never actually peel and release. This would always result in failed prints. Do you anticipate these issues with the Saturn 4 Ultra?

All power and USB accessories should be in the front. Why they place it on the sides or the back is beyond my thinking. People want easy access. Great review mate. All the best.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely!

@Jstubbs104

2 ай бұрын

Until you get a drip down the front and ruin a port

@LSCModels

2 ай бұрын

@@Jstubbs104 Well UNTILL that happens, will worry about it at that time.

@janhib4712

2 ай бұрын

​@@LSCModels It also becomes inconvenient when you count for being in front of your printer.

@TheMechanix78900

2 ай бұрын

Elegoo had the usb ports and other accessories up front, but resin dripping and fep failure the ports were getting damaged. They moved them because they learned from people before. I have a mars pro and an og saturn and I see exactly why they did what they did.

Any word on the ACF release on this one? I was watching some old videos from Fauxhammer where he complained about the ACF smoothing details but then it wasn't the case on the Saturn 3 ultra

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Well from my observations ACF liners were producing vertical lines on prints, and I've noticed that manufacturers have stopped fitting them, so I'm not sure.

do you have any plans to review the formlabs 4 printer? also there is a new Micron Desktop SLS 3D Printer. 3,000$. in june.

@julythrunov

2 ай бұрын

I have a form 3, and a Saturn s. I had the form 3 first and used it regularly until I got the saturn s. My prints are sharper, faster and use cheaper resin than the expensive proprietary resins from Formlabs. My point is I ‘m not sure what the heck Formlabs is thinking charging what they charge for their products. With other companies doing better than them at a fraction of the cost, I am wondering how many of those $4500 form 4’s they will be able to sell.

@thedabblingwarlock

2 ай бұрын

@@julythrunov They're targeting corporations, I think. Hobbyist want cheap and open. Corporations generally want reliability and support. Tinkering around to get a printer working is a waste of money to a corporation when that employee can be doing other things that make the corporation money.

Today would you buy the Saturn 4 ultra, or anycubic m5s pro? I read some people complaining about problems with anycubics, and I'm worried 😬😬

@forrestegan

2 ай бұрын

Saturn 3 Ultra

Great review! Between the Saturn 4 Ultra and the Anycubic M5s Pro , which do you think is a better option?

@vogman

Ай бұрын

This might help 😁 www.vegoilguy.co.uk/3d-resin-best-midrange-printer.php

Saturn 4 Ultra, What type of screw do you use on the main plate movement feed? Ball bearing screw and nut or plastic slide nut and regular trapezoidal screw?

What a treat!!! Sitting at work mindlessly doing reports when this beauty shows up! Literally the video I’ve been looking for! It was either this, the A1(in may) or the p1p. Eased my mind a little but still not sure where to pull the trigger.

@cenciende9401

2 ай бұрын

You're comparing FDM to resin, which do you need first as the higher priority is the question, the other comes later, because they are not comparable.

@ThatGathererGuy-nj2qo

2 ай бұрын

@@cenciende9401 I am not comparing them, it’s simply a quandary of a decision. I’d honestly love to have a resin printer but with such a small room that I have to work with, the fumes are a big concern for me. It might be my deciding factor honestly. I’m strongly considering the p1p or s because I want to make pieces for cosplay and the bigger platform surely would help.

The lack of a heater is no deal breaker for me. I do all my printing in an unheated garage, so I put my printers in insulated grow boxes with a ceramic heater inside. I was able to print all winter long with temperatures sometimes in the 20s F with no problems. A quick trip to the local hardware will take care of the lack of a handle on the flip lid. I plan on adding a Saturn 4 Ultra to my "factory".

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

There's nothing wrong with fixes and workarounds - that's something I love doing. But my job here is to observe potential issues so folks know exactly what to expect when their purchase arrives 😁

@davethepak

2 ай бұрын

That and the heater is $55 on their website - you can by one and still save hundreds from a GK two.

I wanna ask can this machine use phrozen castable resin ?

Ordered mine the minute it went live. The LCD screen on my S2 went out a few months back, and I never replaced it.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Enjoy!

What about debris detection for not breaking the lcd

Will you also be reviewing the regular one?

is there an easy way to lube those bearings for the tilt mechanism? seems like something that should be addressed.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Not that I'm aware of.

Will you be making the top contenders for this kind of printers, aka this printer, Phrozen Revo, Anycubic Photon Mono M5S/PRO, GKTwo, etc? Sounds like they all use the same screen, just differing in the features.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Most of these printers use the same tech, though Elegoo stuck wit the 12K here where the others went 14. I guess the real issue is how well then put this tech to use. I have my own preferences listed here www.vegoilguy.co.uk/3d-resin-best-midrange-printer.php but I keep the videos as balanced and objective as possible 😁

if i get one of this prints ill have modded the software to allow it to work with lychee unsure if I'm gonna get one though still wish theyed give us this with the 8k screens

what is that resin you are using in this video?

i recently got he saturn 3 utlta and was supper bummed I didnt expect a new version a month and a half later. honestly even though it has some really nice quality of life improvements like the newer hopefully better poor spouts and flip up lid I am happy with the 3 ultra now. i feelthey missed the mark not having any sort of heater weather It was chamber or vat and I didnt see a spot to run a power cable to have a addon heater. I'm sad to see they didnt go a deeper vat and a skirt for build plate like the gk two that way you dont get resin ontop of he build plate. im curious about the tilt to release if it will distort the print making ti tsightly taller up front vs back. im sure it will help reduce the suction forces though

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Never worry about missing an new version. There'll be another one out very soon, that's just the way these companies go. Enjoy what you have. I made some fabulous prints on the S3's.

VOG can you test if it has the minimum speed limit firmware bug that plagued the M4U and S3U?

It does seem to me that the tilt release is more about making the print less likely to fail due to sticking rather than it being all about speed. But Prusa's SL1S SPEED printer featured tilting and the marketing was HEAVILY about how much faster it was. I feel this is more of a marketing focusing on the wrong aspect rather than it being outright silly. I would love to see a comparison on if the tilting mechanism means I don't have to have as many supports on a floating model, because the forces exerted on the model are not as extreme. This would be huge.

The resin vat looks better than the one on the Saturn 3 Ultra - is the new resin vat for the Saturn 4 Ultra backward combatable?

Honest and to the point as always 😊.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Many thanks 😁

Don't have a saturn 4, but with my 3 ultra, I got those high speed print when I used the included Voxeldance Tango slicer software. It has a builtin profile for it.

@ianfong1000

2 ай бұрын

Hey what kind of speeds are you getting?

Thanks for the brutally honest review 😂😂 i really enjoyed it 😁 Great content as always. Keep it up!!

When I use speed mode it comes out with unwanted seam lines, want a good print then go for the low speed.

Weirdly the M5sPro is the same resolution (if you look at the pixel size) but has less Z height, so this is actually looking like a good proposition. I've long been a fan of the Anycubic RERF functionality, so to see something similar *finally* showing up on a Elegoo machine is glorious.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

The 12 and 14K issue is a weird one. The 14K improves resolution on the X, maintains it on the Y, I think. The difference on paper isn't worth worry about. However... look at the photos. I've done two 14K printers now. Compare the prints to the 12K's. Maybe it's me, but I swear the 14K's are smoother and just as detailed... the voxel lines are harder to see. That's why I take the photos, so folks can judge for themselves 😁😁😁 And the RERF thing... brilliant idea. Every printer should have one... that works 😁

Thanks for your videos! They are very fun and informative! I'm thinking about changing printer (I have an anycubic photon SQ), anything will improve what I have xD and I'm thinking if the saturn 4 ultra or the anycubic m5s pro, both seem good options but the elegoo seems better for the new features it has(I think)... Thanks a lot VogMan!

Love the info on this, ,makes me wish I waited.. BTW, I just wanted to tell you I gat a file you did (Thingaverse) for a little DnD cotage and printed it in PLA on my old Ender 3. I did 2 of them and they both turned out great. Keep up the great work!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

That's great to hear. Glad you enjoyed them 😁

Very interesting and informative.Thanks for sharing.

@vogman

15 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Just ordered!

The tilt release is the most exciting thing ever for me as a Dice Maker because the huge pull forces make the dice elongate in this kinda non-linear way where the closer to the build plate you get, the more elongated it is along the Z axis (so you can't just squish it in the slicer to compensate), this elongation then has to be corrected by sanding the dice while applying force at an angle, very carefully, and even with hundreds of dice made, it's still hard and I can't get them perfect, only prints with a Form 3 come out without this warping, thanks to the tilt release. But seeing the mechanism Elegoo is using, it worries me that the pushing up against the print before pulling down might actually make it worse in a different way. It also worries me that the Tilt Release is marketed exclusively as a fast printing thing, it might just really not help with dimensional accuracy at all. Also It makes me worry that the whole mechanism might wear out and develop some wiggle room, bringing the alignment of the screen with the collimating lenses into play, and causing a loss of detail. This wasn't a worry in the Form printers because of the lack of a screen, obviously.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I have the same concerns about the tilt mechanism. Usually anything that moves a lots, wears a lot. But it's way too early to say anything about this yet. It's a great feature and I applaud Elegoo for it 😁

@Kovand97

2 ай бұрын

The tilt release is a wonderful thing if done correctly, like in the Prusa SL1S SPEED 3D printer, which is open source for years. I tink Elegoo might just found it finally :D

@MattJonesYT

2 ай бұрын

Maybe the STL can be scaled nonlinearly by hand in blender on the Z axis to account for the elongation?

@joeargyle

2 ай бұрын

I've owned machines with similar mechanisms. They're fine when they work but moving parts introduce another possible point of failure. The machines I have eventually had issues returning the platform back to zero/home consistently. In both cases this mechanism was the first thing to fail. Personally I'm not a fan, but maybe elegoo has a more reliable solution.

@patprop74

2 ай бұрын

Only 10 years behind everyone else huh, I built in that feature on first home made DLP printer 12 years ago! the first Formlabs form1, which i still own, had it, and again, that was also a standard affair a decade ago.

Kind of surprised they've beat some of the other manufacturers to the market that were/are also working on tilt-screen solutions. Not having a heater is a bummer I agree on, but the price is highly competitive. The community that doesn't need a built-in heater versus those that do for location-related weather is decidedly small, though I suspect it was off-loaded as an extra for that reason (get one if you need it kind of thing) even though where it plugs in to actually be effective on the resin is a bit of a mystery. That all said, I'd be tempted to pick one up despite my historical stance on Elegoo at least for summer-compliant prints.

What are the pros and cons of making a comparison between Phrozen revo and saturn 4 ultra.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

They're similar spec, but the Phrozen feels more correctly put together, as it should for the price. But you can buy 2.5 S4 ultras for the same money. It needs plenty of thought.

@ozkanmemisoglu9085

2 ай бұрын

I'm curious, there is a big difference in price between Phrozen and Saturn 4 Ultra. Is the price difference worth buying Phrozen?

@ozkanmemisoglu9085

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman Unfortunately, when I pre-ordered the Revo, there was no news about the Saturn 4 Ultra and suddenly the news came out and the distribution of the product started and I was shocked. I've seen the reviews. I really like the reviews of your channel and you also provide detailed information. That's why I care about your opinions. As you said, there doesn't seem to be much difference and there is actually a big difference in price. I'm still confused. I usually think about printing figures. I look at figures printed with Phrozen and people who work with figures. Their work is really nice. When I look at the works printed with other printers, I see that there is a difference in quality. Of course, this is entirely my opinion, and it may seem wrong to me. Or there is very little difference and that difference is too much in terms of price and I'm not sure if it will work for me :D

@robse1002

2 ай бұрын

​@@ozkanmemisoglu9085 I wondered the same. How is the Revo jutstified for the price of both printers basically have the same features?

@MrNBridger

2 ай бұрын

@@ozkanmemisoglu9085 I can tell you that I have a Phrozen Mini 8K and a Mega 8K and they work perfectly, I recomanded the Elegoo Mars 4 Ultra to a friend and it was dead after 3 prints. I will buy a Revo on Black Friday or Cyber Monday.

I wonder how does this compares to the Elegoo Mars 4 DLP?

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Depends on what you're looking for really. Try this www.vegoilguy.co.uk/3d-resin-printing-which-printer.php

Good review, I appreciate the clear view of the quality and speed. The automatic leveling actually woking is pretty nice, but the comparison to the M5S is not flattering when considering the possibility of the tilt release mechanism slowly degrading.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Yes, mechanical parts do wear over time. The question is, how long will that take?

@cenciende9401

2 ай бұрын

What's it going to matter many years and thousands of print hours later when you're upgrading anyway?

Best unbiased reviewer! Was waiting for this to decide between this and a gktwo. Seems theres good things in both, but i may plonk for the gktwo after all, good idea? 😂

@LenzTheMenz

2 ай бұрын

Or get the saturn ultra and just buy the heater? I'm so confused 😢😂

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I loved the GK Two, but it's showing it's age a little now, unless it's expanded to 12K like mine was.

Honestly this makes me really excited for the Saturn 5 Ultra

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

That's next week 😉🤣😂🤣

Nice review again. My concern is that when there are more moving parts, the chance of a mechanical failure is more likely ... waiting to hear if any reports of the tilt mechanism failing after x number of hours, probably unlikely but who knows.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Yes, many are saying the same. It's only after a few months of use that we'll find out for sure.

I see the Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Pro is coming out. Love to see this review soon. Looks promising.

i will wait for the photon m7 ... seems like it has a heated vat and top speeds... but the lifting function of the saturn is also very interessting...

I suggest you to verify the dimensional accuracy. The tilt mechanism should give much more precise dimensions without that stretch effect that all resin printers gives on z axis.

Interestingly, they took some features from the original Prusa SL1. That was my first mSLA printer and it had a tilt mechanism, no lifting. It also came with a slop trey that was gross to use 😅. Shame about the heater here, I thought I found my next printer!

Was waiting on your review to make my decision. I'll just wait a bit longer to see how they fix some of the software issues. The thing rhat really sold me was speed and the tilt release, but seeing that it isn't that fast is disappointing

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

It's an impressive feature, but I cannot see how it can increase speed in any way.

Was looking forward to this review, thank you! I ordered myself one as I think it's a better fit than the GK2 for the price, since I'm also in California where a heater really isn't necessary for me. The rest of it seems so similar, I think I like the GK2s plate design more, but I want that tilting vat... And camera if it works lol. Edit: Is this noticeably faster than your gk2 or other 8-14k printers because of the tilt function?

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

There's no doubt these companies copy each other, but if the end result is a better product for the consumer, and as long as no patents have been violated, then all's good I guess 😁

While I don’t intend to replace my Saturn 2 til it fails, in a way I don’t want to have to try to fix (I’m clumsy and a little worried about if I’d mess up wiring and such), definitely paying a lot of attention to printers coming out now since I suspect one of them will be the replacement I end up with (hopefully in over a year at least) and it’s good to see some sensible and quality of live improvements

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I always encourage folks to keep what's working. Don't update unless you really need to or really want to.

@MLaak86

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman yep, feels like it’s working just fine atm so not planning a replacement or upgrade, but keep a reasonably close eye on what’s coming out just in case.

I'm like, wow, this is basically a Creality product, with how many things fall in the "oh, I'll need to make one of those for that" category.

@dbretton

2 ай бұрын

Outside of a handle, what other things would you need to make?

The speed issues are odd Vog. I find when I slice the exact same file on a modified Saturn profile and the Saturn 4 Ultra profile, it just about halves the time. And the makes since because the Ultra 4 completes a cycle in 5.5 seconds opposed to approximately 10 seconds on the original Saturn. To make 150mm/hour I'd have to use a massive layer height, but still the tilt is giving significant saving in time. Also saves me from tuning and cleaning the fails from tuning stuff like retraction speeds.

the tilt mechanism would be amazing to have on the next gen large format resin printer! Please Anycubic and Elegoo make this happen. I am missing so many features on my m3 maxs. Also please include propper vat handles and deeper vats. heater is also a must!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😁

Also I think it's interesting that once Elegoo announce the Machine was first going to be $399 Anycubic lower there M5s pro to $399 from $450 then Elegoo Raised the Price to $429.(actually US prices are still $399USD where as UK/JP are $429) so this machine is cheaper then their Saturn 3 Ultra in US which is kind of interesting.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

That's why I hate listing prices. They change daily. It's a very competitive market.

What do you have to offer to buy in the range below 450 dollars?

@vogman

5 күн бұрын

This Saturn 4 Ultra should be in that price range and is an excellent printer.

Great video as always with excellent constructive criticism but I’m on the fence on with one to get is the Anycubic the better one to get or the Elegoo at one point I live in a warm climate where it barley gets cold at all and I love the new features the elegoo has for the price but on the other hand the Anycubic has more items but I didn’t want to use the Anycubic own slicer for the features like auto ydetection

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

My job if to report on the features and describe the pros and cons as best I can. I hope by doing this I enable people to make informed decisions about what they buy. Don't rush your decisions. Enjoy the browsing journey 😁

I have the elegoo saturn 2 and considered upgrading to 4. However I think looking at it now I can get a few more years out of the Saturn 2.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

If it ain't broke, don't fix it 😁😁😁

I placed the order on anycubic m7 pro, I hope I didn't make a mistake! what do you think?

@vogman

Ай бұрын

I really can't say. Hopefully it will be a good unit, but it's hard to comment on something I haven't seen.

@adriandolha9582

Ай бұрын

@@vogman I take a look about your top resin printers ! And I see there mone m5s pro was 2 place and 3 Saturn 4 ultra ,and in my mind in future your top gone be 1revo 2 m7pro,m5spro 3🤩🤩🤩🤗

@vogman

Ай бұрын

My list changes when something more exciting comes along, but I glad it was helpful to you. I can say that M7 seems to have a feature that could be a real game changer. I'm very excited about it. I just need to see the printer before I can comment about it in case I'm wrong 😁

@adriandolha9582

Ай бұрын

@@vogman I really trust what you post, it seems transparent and correct, and if the m5s pro is in 2nd place, I said that the m7pro, thanks to the new lenses and the heater, must clearly be over, we'll see when you post your opinion, how long do you estimate it will take?🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🙏🙏🙏🙏respect for your work sir!!

@vogman

Ай бұрын

I'm told they're sending me one (fingers crossed) but I'm not sure when. Hopefully just a couple of weeks or so.

I'm looking to upgrade from my Mars 2 Pro to something bigger and newer but still not 100% sure... The price is really good though!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

This might help www.vegoilguy.co.uk/3d-resin-printing-which-printer.php

The printer is incredible, but the loss in the printing area was huge, unfortunately it won't work for me, because I print a lot of full-size heads on the Saturn 3 Ultra.

Is there a way to print without the tilting? I'm interested in all the features *except* for the tilt release.

@dan3dprint183

2 ай бұрын

Buy the Saturn 4 all the futures without the tilt release and cheaper.

@Twigz11

2 ай бұрын

You should take a look at the non ultra Saturn 4

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Not that I've seen, though I agree that would be a useful feature to add - just in case.

I'm over here still rocking the 13 series 1 Saturns. lol

@vogman

Ай бұрын

If it's working for you, that's all that matters 😁

I happened to be looking for a reasonably priced resin printer when the Saturn 4 was launched so I more or less ordered one on a whim. It will replace my past-end-of-life Form 2, and it was funny to see Formlabs launch the Form 4 literally 2 days later, which is now an MSLA machine that still costs 10x as much. Anyway I will see how I go and whether I need a heater, but good to know the basic print quality should be pretty good, even if one of the first things you need to print is a handle to glue on the stupid hood.

2:15 its ok on the back. Over all you need space for tilt case.

1:21 - "easy one hand operation is not possible". Proceeds to open with one hand anyway. 🗿

@vogman

27 күн бұрын

And was it opened with ease...?

I'm so glad you didn't tell us all that it's the best low-cost mid-size resin printer by far. (I've just bought the M5S Pro) Although that tilt plate sounds like a great feature, I don't have buyer's remorse. Phew! 😊 Thanks for another balanced review. Cheers! ps. I added 1cm silicon feet into the foot contours on the M5S and it's far more stable and less noisy now.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Never have buyers remorse, especially with printers. These update much too quickly for anyone to keep up with. It's not worth trying to. Be happy with your decisions and enjoy your purchase 😁😁😁

I've preordered one to replace my old Saturn 1 (which is still going strong) The lack of a handle is a stupid thing though, that's going to be my first mod.

@vogman

Ай бұрын

It's a silly oversite, but I've no doubt Thingiverse will soon be littered with suitable handles we can freely print 😁

does anybody print jewelry model with it? is compatible with castable resin?

@vogman

13 күн бұрын

It would certainly print with castable resin. And if you check my prints carefully, you'll see rings amongst them 😁

Is the vat actually innovative, given that the Form 1 and 1+ had a tilting vat years ago, as did the Prusa SL1 and Prusa SL1S. Now maybe Elegoo have done a better job than Formlabs, who I believe didn't have a tilting vat in their subsequent models, but I think we need to see how it pans out with this model. I honestly struggle to see where there's any innovation with this model personally. Like many of us, I'd like a heated vat so we don't need to use brew belts, automatic filling, level sensor, vat temperature monitoring with a contactless low res thermal camera or other sensors, replacing the -shitu- chitu firmware for something decent and thus a better print experience (Bambu show how much better it can be having custom firmware over what others are doing), and a slicer that can leverage said better firmware. Providing something like Fujifilm Prescale might be useful too for validating actual bed levelling (as opposed to Z height), but Prescale is super expensive. Heygears seems sort of like the Bambu of SLA, with a somewhat integrated system that's an improvement in the experience, but I don't think we're seeing anything particularly exciting anywhere. Wondering if Bambu are looking to take a lead in this space too; certainly hope so!

On the no heater issue... I'm more mad that their official heater uses the same hole that is meant for an easy way to extract the air out of the machine to take care of air quality.

@vogman

Ай бұрын

Folks have ridiculed my "no handle" comment on this printer, but they've missed the point. I'm concerned if they've overlooked something this obvious, what else have they overlooked. It seems you've spotted another oversite.

That's cool, the features you seem most worried about it lacking (heater, filter) are ones that don't matter for my setup as they are solved by my printer "enclosure".

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

There you go. Then I've done my job. That's all I worry about 😁😁😁

@nova5224

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman That's why I watch your videos, no fear of being critical and you just lay out any potential issues clearly. I have my resin printers in an old commercial bench fridge which is heated and vents outside, so I smell nothing when the doors are closed and can easily control the temperature.

Good video But The maximum declared speed is always theoretical and for layers of a certain thickness. At best 0.10mm but some brands (including Elegoo) I assume imply 0.20/0.25mm layer to declare the maximum speed Only Anycubic explicitly declares the layer (which is 0.10mm) and says 10.5cm/hour (or 2.91s/layer with exposure 1.5-1.9 I suppose) for the M5s Pro and up to 17cm/hour (at 2.12s/layer with high-speed resin and with exposure unknown) for the M7 Pro I don't know if these speeds are truly achievable So you certainly can't use layer 0.05mm to measure the max printing speed in cm/hour In any case, I see that Lychee Slicer 6 for the Saturn 4 Ultra profile provides me with print estimates (I don't have the printer, I just did the simulations) of 9.03cm/hour using layers 0.1mm (at 3.99s/layer with exposure 2.0s) and 4.62cm /hour using 0.05mm (at 3.89s/layer with exposure 2.0s) Is this estimate too optimistic or will it be more or less correct?

I have the impression that big huge prints of things that have to be straight, directly on the print bed, like a mold for a vase, a cup, etc... would print better with the method the fep sheet releases itself. Maybe we can print straight 90 degrees items better now....

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Interesting thought.

5.5s a layer is faster than what I usually get out of my Saturn 3, which is 7.5s. So if the layer time is actually 5.5s that will save a bunch of time. Obviously not 150mm an hour though.

@cenciende9401

2 ай бұрын

There's no reason it can't be 5.5s considering exposure is about 2. Should have shown the math in the review which makes 150mm/hr basically impossible unless doing .15 layer heights or something crazy at which point might as well use FDM, silly marketing

Vog man, there is a chance you expirience with the 4 cones being off might not be the printer... The cones v1 is only supposed to be used in the middle of the fep, and printed alone, as printing elsewhere can affect how the cones behave due to uneven fep pull forces. The cones V2 and now V3 avaliable on the table flip foundry discord have walls around the cones so this shouldn't be an issue. The cones v3 also has a dimensional accuracy test which I worked on, it's in beta on the discord server as that is being refined.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

In fairness I did other tests than the cones... I just thought the cones were easier to demonstrate 😁

do you have the Seryatech cast blue or purple settings for the elegoo mars 4 9k…. if you do please share that information I’ll totally donate to your channel and or subscribe to your Patreon. Because I know I’m not the only one I can share that information with the thousands of people on the Facebook groups that are having the same problem.🤦‍♂️

Some new features, some missing features…given a choice between the 3 Ultra and 4 Ultra, I would take the 3 Ultra. However, given the choice between the Saturn 3 Ultra and the Mars 4 Ultra, I went with the Mars for the square screen pixels (18x18 microns) over the rectangular (19x24 microns) of the Saturn. It’s been a little over 3 months and so far I’m very glad I did!!

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I love the Mars 4 Ultra... good choice 😁

Let's see how long the tilt mechanic will last.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Time will tell 😁

according the the elegoo website the saturn ultra 3 to has a Build Volume of 218.88×122.88×260 mm³ and the new saturn 4 ultra 218.88 x 122.88 x 220 mm³ which means the new saturn 4 ultra has a smaller build volume. might of been worth a mention.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

You're 100% correct. Unfortunately this video was getting epically long and I've had to shave parts off just to get it done. I do mention the print volume though, and include "Chapters" in the description to help folks find this stuff 😁

I'm torn between this and the DLP. Been wanting a resin printer for ages now. Phrozen is another option, choosing is overwhelming lol

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

You've just got to decide what features you really need. Maybe this will help a little www.vegoilguy.co.uk/3d-resin-printing-which-printer.php

for my purpose and situation, the tilting tray really has to make a difference, otherwise the regular Saturn 3 is better (for me)

Sounds like Elegoo finally realized Prusa did the tilt years ago. Seems like this is a bigger built plate though. #LLVM

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

Spot on 😁

Coolcool

Odd you call Elegoo Stupid for no handle but state you love the Uniformation GK2 lid and state it will be Resin Free from handling when it has no handle ?

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

The GK2 does have a handle. What makes you say it hasn't?

@geekandnerdtech

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman It really has more of a lip (Which you did say) that is part of the lid. Not a "Handle" in the sense he might be thinking. But you would be touching the "Lid" with the lip. I added true handles to my Saturn 2 by printing them on the Bambu X1C and double sided taped them to the said - Will probably do the same to the 4 Ultra is I end up with one.

I’m blown away we are still getting printers without heaters in 2024. That rules it out for me immediately. It’s the most important feature for a 3D printer.

@Commonsensenotsocommon

2 ай бұрын

You can get the heater for 50 bucks as add on. With the printer price ridiculously low it will not break the bank.

@rustyshaklford9557

2 ай бұрын

I think the force/strain sensing is more important if it can prevent the screen from being destroyed by debris, but in integrated heater is an absolute no-brainer.

@vogman

2 ай бұрын

I'm biased on this subject, I know, but there are a lot of folks replying "I don't need a heater - I don't care." To those I would remind you, it's not about heating a chamber, it's about maintaining a constant warm environment. My buddy lives in Australia - very warm climate. But in the evening the temperatures drop dramatically. A heater has helped his prints considerably. During the day it doesn't even come on, but when the temperatures drop, the prints stay cosey. I know "Australia" isn't the whole world and things vary all over, but I guarantee if you look through these comments, you'll find more pro heater than con heater. And many of those, like my Oz buddy, live in warm climates, but they've discovered the benefits of a consistent warm temperature. That's why I have to agree, Elegoo need to be like Anycubic, Phrozen, Information, Peopoly and so many others that are thinking seriously about temperature control.

@MichaelCassidy1973

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman Agreed. I'm in Ireland, my garage is often less than 4 degrees in autumn, lower in winter. I bought the chitu heater for my Mars 4 DLP, and I love it. It keeps the enclosure at a constant 30 degrees, resin stays runny, and I get like a 99% success rate on my prints.

@monger4613

2 ай бұрын

@@vogman Their temperature solutions aren't really any different than Elegoo's 50 dollar add on. A vat heater is the ideal way to do it but it's only on more expensive printers right now.