There are 52 weeks in a year, not 50

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

What is your comment in reference to?

@derek7837

10 ай бұрын

@@RockhillfarmYT you stated 50 hrs a year on a tractor and you said that's 1 hr a week. There's 52 weeks in a year, not 50.

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

@@derek7837 That’s what you heard… I’m out

@derek7837

10 ай бұрын

​@@RockhillfarmYT😂buddy, don't get mad because your math doesn't add up. I heard it and read the transcript to make sure I heard correctly. If your going to make a video about your opinion and trying to talk facts then atleast have all your ducks in a row.

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

@@derek7837 I’m definitely not mad. I’ve been laughing ever since reading your comment. You honestly made my day. This is the definition of not being able to see the forest because of all the trees in the way

This is a sound approach to “progress”. Don’t get caught up in the hype, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water either. If it works and is the best value, I’m all for it. Gas, diesel, or electric.

I love the balanced thoughts.

Brock, great video and I agree with you 100%. The technology isn’t there yet but it’s improving slowly. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

I call it the " Fireside chat with Brock ". Good to see ya back at it ! pc

Thanks Brockhill from Rock Hill

Tell us how you really feel Brock. I agree. Maybe I should get a tractor and a pickup truck from the 70's and just put money into keeping them running. Like for another 40 years. Thanks and welcome back from vacation!

Well done. Well said. I completely agree with you. Please keep the videos coming. Hope the vacation was great.

You hit it squarely on the head!!! Tax dollars should not subsidize any business especially the EV industry!! Great topic and thoughts. Also please put a pocket on the T-shirts. It’s handier than a pocket knife or a ratchet for sure! 🔥🔥👍👍

Electric commercial vehicles will not replace gasoline diesel or propane any time soon until you can get a small reactor to power them. And at that point, it would be more efficient to run them off the steam generated by the reactor instead of converting it to electricity first.

I totally agree with how you look at this.

Hey Brock, enjoyed what you had to say and agree with your assessment.

Wonderful you did an excellent job reviewing concerns with the electric tractors and like power equipment. My grandfather was a mechanical engineer and I grew up farming. I have some of the same equipment as my father owned. I am rather a tree hugger in some ways; however, what we are calling green isn't really so green. Electric is often a carbon producing operation, mining the metals for batteries, not so friendly. Off the wall fires with these batteries. They are not ready for prime time shall we say; as it stands not fit for purpose. Excellent presentation, thank you!

I agree 100% with your thoughts!

Good commentary. I'm a retired carpenter. Cordless screw guns are essential. Everything else is better with a cord. My 60 volt Dewalt weed trimmer is great for my needs. It would be nearly useless if I was trying to make a living with it. An electric tractor could do a lot of things I need my tractor for. It would not mow my hayfield. And I wouldn't want to rely on it over at my other place, without electricity. I'd need to drag a generator with me. Overall, I think I'll stick with diesel.

I agree with some Battery powered things . Like a drill or saw . Even a golf cart had battery powered golf carts for years . But cars and equipment is very counterproductive it terms of going green . It’s all about Big Government Greed and power !

Very well said 👍

Well said Brock

I truly loved ur opinion about using old tractor. For me personally I Can’t beat my old Deere 855 compact tractor.

You're a good man Brock. I enjoy your down to earth content

Extremely well said. As far as the older tractor goes, in the 25 to 45 hp diesel tractor goes I don't think there were many with a cab with heat and air at that time. And I don't want one without those features. Not spoiled, just older and don't care to sweat to death in summer and freeze to death in winter in northern Michigan. Have an LS MT342HC.that fits what I have to do quite well.

You are right on brother!😮

Howdy Brock! Lots to unpack here... as this is a topic I'm pretty passionate about. But I can't really do it justice in a comment so I won't try... lol. Nobody is going to confuse me with a tree hugging, bug eating, hemp clothes wearing, crystal rock deodorant using environmentalist wingnut. That being said, I do love the 'battery revolution' that we are currently entering into. Agree 100%, you can't mandate adoption of things like EVs and expect the populace to accept it. Let the market drive the adoption. How do I know we are moving that way? Try to get a Ford Lightning, or Cybertruck, or any of a number other EVs currently on the market. Demand exceeds current production. I have an entire line of EGO power tools, and I love them. Walk behind mower, leaf blower, chainsaw, pole saw, and weed eater. All of them have exceeded my expectations for power and durability. I started with the weed eater 5 or 6 years ago, and it out performed my 2 stroke Echo trimmer. Usually, my arms get tired before the battery even comes close to running out. Same with the chainsaw (light duty sawing - got my Stihl for the bigger stuff). I'm not a commercial user of these products, so for me they are perfect. I don't care whether or not they are better for the environment, I like not messing with fuel, oil, tuneups, etc. Any environmental benefit is just a bonus. I have several topics related to this on my whiteboard of future videos... I'll let you know when I get around to starting them. Thanks for sharing! 🤠

Wonder how the resale will be on a 10 year old E-tractor with 500 hours on it. Great video! Glad you’re back from vacation. The story about the dewalt mower made my day. 🔥 🔥🔥😂😂😂😂😂😂.

@modarkthemauler

10 ай бұрын

Depends entirely on the batteries. Currently replacing batteries is too expensive but in ten year of development it's hard to say.

@houndofgoshen5363

10 ай бұрын

@@modarkthemauler Exactly. In other words, with the current technology and batteries they’d basically be worthless.

I agree with you for the most part. I have a 3046R, and no electric tractor can currently replace it at a price I’d be willing to pay. However, for technology to improve rapidly, we do need those willing to try new items like electric cars, trucks, tractors, OPE, etc. …but, like you, it won’t be me in the tractor space unless they can get close on price and features.

THANK YOU! Well said . These “e” vehicles in almost every case have a HIGHER carbon footprint than their counterparts 😂😂😂

FWIW, I've had mixed results with electric equipment. I really like the cheaper Ryobi 14" brushless chainsaw (40V) for the specific task of carrying it on the tractor to trim limbs because you don't have to fuss around with the primer, pull start, worrying about ethanol-induced rot, etc. - just squeeze the trigger and start cutting. Surprisingly, it has enough oomph to cut through bigger logs - with a diameter beyond the bar length - but it doesn't have the battery capacity to do more than 1 or 2 big cuts. So a case of trading operational life vs. capability, which is a good tradeoff for intermittent use. If I need to fell a tree and then cut it up into manageable logs, though, I break out the 2-stroke chainsaw. I also have a positive impression of the Ryobi 20" brushless mower (2020 model), because it can power through overgrown and wet grass yet gets about 30 minutes per charge on a 4Ah battery, which is more than enough for a typical city lot sized yard. In contrast, the Ryobi 40V straight shaft, attachment-capable brushed (not the new brushless model) string trimmer has been more of a mixed bag. It works just fine with the string trimmer head, but when I put on the circular-saw style brush-cutter blade it stalls on woody stems bigger than about 1/2". In contrast to the chainsaw, then, it seems to have traded oomph for runtime. Finally, the DeWalt 20V brushless pole saw has been absolutely outstanding. It has sufficient power to cut limbs up to about 3-4" - which I think is reasonable for a 9" pole saw - yet I can cut dozens of limbs with a single 5Ah battery, so runtime doesn't seem compromised at all (compared to the Ryobi chainsaw, anyway). It is also nicely balanced with the battery on the handle end acting as a counterweight to the motor on the saw end. This may be a rare case of where nothing has been compromised in going from gas to battery power.

Lot of us understand

Great job Brock. The thing that irks me is that the government makes the taxpayers subsidize rich people that can afford the electric toys that most of us cant and dont want. Making our cost of living higher.

Yes I want a battery powered tractor that degrades every charge.

If the government doesn’t incentivize battery electric vehicles, it may be a very long time before they are mainstream, if ever. Manufacturers making gas and diesel vehicles have no financial reason to switch, if the government doesn’t incentivize it, so why would they? ..they won’t, unless someone threatens their market. Whether or not you believe that battery vehicles are better for the earth or not is not really worth debating, as I think your main beef is price over function. And, as I mentioned in another reply, I have a 3046R, which at this time, I see no equivalent in the BEV tractor space at a price and functionality equal, that is even remotely close, lol, so on that beef, I totally agree. Keep up the good videos.

You did a episode where you discussed an app that showed your rows on spraying fields. What was that app?

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

That wasn’t me. Probably tractor time with tim

Great info. When automobiles were first becoming usable imagine if each maker used a different fuel that was not readily available during your travels. Electric vehicles should be fabricated with some agreed upon standards. If they all used the same voltage and battery configuration the swapping batteries for longer run time would be possible. Just like the 3 point hitch on our tractors standardizing would benefit all whether a manufacturer or a user.

I agree on the one point that you stated about the new era of technology being disposable. That's kinda ok with hand tools but not with a $35k tractor that after 8 to 10 yr that I'll have to replace one or all the batteries. That is not to say the one or all could fail just outside the warranty and if you fly drones you know what I'm talking about all it takes is one cell to toast a batt.. Then the resale like you stated after 20 yrs one will have to pay to get rid of it vs being able to sell because it's going to be so outdated? I believe like you until the cost comes down there really won't be much of a good market value.

I think we will see an improvement in battery tech one of these days.....but clearly lithium isn't going to be the long term solution.

Clearly an electric tractor is the only correct answer in a post hurricane, grid down situation for storm cleanup. Oh, wait .... and as you referred to Tim's testing, he found that the PTO ran equivalent to ground speed, most implements need 540 no matter the ground speed. I have seen some with swappable batteries so work can be continued while one is being charged, this feature is rare, not the rule. I agree, they're not even close yet.

Keep spreading the message, brother!

If the batteries would not be such a issue electric would be the way to go. The torque with almost no noise that comes with electric motors is perfect for a tractor. but the batteries kill the idea unless you run overhead wires like trams/electric trains use.

I feel that sometimes you need the power when you need it, and unless you have multiple batteries, you don't have power on demand like a fuel based piece of equipment.. Like many, I have both, and battery power has come a long way, getting better every year, eventually it will catch up and probably surpass.

Great video. Not into electric tools. Only have a drill and driver that is battery and like them. All else not for me. Thanks and God Bless Brock.

I can understand your point but at sometime in the past the same was said about going from horse drawn farm equipment to motorized, just saying.

All sound arguments but I think the 50 hour a year guy will have the electronics die long before the life cycle of the tractor is done. How many of us have had to replace batteries due to lack of use but crap out after years of cold/heat cycling that will kill a battery? I’ll keep my 50 hour a year 3038E until it’s of no use any longer. I imagine that’ll be long after I’m gone.

I am one that appreciates science, technology, and innovation for the purposes of making something better, such as efficiency, cost cutting, health improvement, financial stability. Why I am not for those things is for the sake of those things, with a side gig to create false markets, generate kickback income on the political side, and to just win a race. I want to comment here so much more, but it's impossible to do so and separate a discussion from the politics. It just is, because the tech and manufacturing sector of our economy is so regulated and driven politically. I abhor planned obsolescence, too, Brock. It drives me crazy that the math doesn't add up to fix things, if you CAN fix them. What choices are we given? I'm biting my tongue virtually here to not continue, but I wholeheartedly agree the EV and electric tool drive is for the sake of grabbing a moment's glam and chance in the market made up by promises, and by governmental funneling and throttling consumers to have choices. It's not going to end well, I'm afraid.

1000%

Just wait for house insurance to go up if you own a electric car with an attached garage. Those electric vehicle fires are so hard to put out.

Good morning Brock. Outstanding young man. I believe that these electric vehicles and tractors will end up as paperweights and boat anchors one day. In the first place most people can't afford them and in the second place they will never hold up to hard use. I just bought a Kobalt 40v weedeater because it's a lot lighter than my Cub Kadet gas one. It's OK for weedeating around the porch or flowerbed but it won't hold a candle to my gas one. I'm getting older and I wanted something lighter. It works well but for how long I don't know. I'll stick with my fossil fuel burning Tundra, Jeep, and my diesel burning John Deere tractor. I'm a day late with this because we had some family stuff going on yesterday. I hope that you and your family had a wonderful vacation. God bless. 👍👍🙂

Gas and diesel now. Electric when the infrastructure is ready.

great thoughts. That's why my son and I have 43-year-old Honda's to ride. not a fan of elec tech to date.

It is definitely worse on the environment making batteries then running gas or diesel and has been proven. If you got lucky enough for batteries to last 10 years in a battery tractor you would more then likely have to rebuild the battery pack yourself. Just look at all them batteries you would have to buy and build into a battery pack. There is definitely a place for the battery powered tools. The tools have came a long ways over the years but all the tools are not where they need to be yet. I definitely have no intention of going to a battery powered tractor, car or truck. If you work your tractor and truck diesel is the way to go but pre epa. That is something else I don't want is a def tank on my tractor or truck F Good video I enjoyed watching.

A workmate back in 1970 or 71 had an electric lawn tractor ,,,the brand I can not remember…..

Gas cars weren't great when they were first introduced. We're in the infancy of electric vehicles. Like any technology, they'll get better. If we survive long enough, one day we'll laugh at the thought of using gas/diesel. Currently batteries are disposable, but the cars themselves have far fewer moving parts, thus are far more reliable (or at least they have the potential to be). Corded tools are electric. It's not the fact that they're electric. It's the fact that they're limited by current battery tech.

Hi Brock, I first want to say I agree with you 100%. But what I've seen with people now is your speaking common sense and I've learned common sense isn't common any more. I also agree that depending on which side politically you are on determines the level of common sense you have.. Right is Right and left is delusional ... lol.. just had to see how many people I could rile up with that one plus see how many people lean left in the comments..lol.. have a great day Brock.. Bill

Bravo! - Spot ON brother😎. What a fad all this electric is! While some decent products are indeed coming thru, trying to make “everything electric” forced or heavily influenced by the Government is clearly flawed😅

Hey brock it's all about government control

Here is why government intervention is often required to encourage or force change. Had we not been forced into using lower water usage faucets and appliances, many cities would have had to start rationing potable water. Here is just one example. 300 million people flush toilets an average of five times per day. The old toilets used 3 gallons per flush. The new dual flush toilets use 1 gallon per flush or 1.6 gallon per flush. 300 million times 5 times 3 gallons is 4500,000,000 gallons of water per day. 300 million times 5 times 1.25 gallons is 1,875,000,000 gallons of water per day. There is a cost associated with water treatment by municipalities. The largest electricity users for many municipalities are the water treatment facilities. That cost gets passed onto the residents. Add in the savings from water saving faucets, clothes washers, and other appliances and you can see why forcing that change was actually required. Changes do not occur overnight. These type changes often take years or decades. We will eventually get better battery technology. EVs will eventually become the more popular vehicles, because they can be refueled at home. Most people do not research why changes are necessary. Governments do not generally force change just for the hell of it. In most cases, there is significant research to justify the changes. I am not trying to start an argument, Brock. I am trying to educate.

@keithmaggard9024

10 ай бұрын

Government is evil big cities with bad water and air massive over crowding and poverty not my utopia and those people won't be buying tractors they pave over everything governments exist so they can enjoy the Perks of being the ruling class keep the people dependant and voting them into power simple look at every system from the dawn of time the elite live like kings everyone else suffers for it. Don't learn from history you will repeat it.

@gckshea

10 ай бұрын

You made a good point re: water usage. That is a practical example of the eventual end result having a benefit to the greater economy, brought to you by government. I do not believe government only does things from data, research, and high moral standards to the betterment of society. In fact, I could state many instances when government did stupid crap to line pockets. But this goes WAAAAY beyond the scope of Brock's great post here. I will always look at government regulation with a stink eye, with the need for skepticism first.

Did you know that Home Depot will not be selling any more gas lawnmowers next year? Apparently many of the big box retailers are towing the government climate change nonsense. Bought a 217HRX Honda gas mower this year and I wish I had the funds and warehouse space to buy several hundred of them for resale 5 years down the road when they are no longer on the market.

@danclas5983

10 ай бұрын

This is the kind of things that should tell people everything they need to know. It's a govt. agenda, plain and simple. When's the last time anyone said they trusted the govt.?

Dude I drive a battery powered fork for a living 10,000 $ plus per battery we get 4 hours maybe out of each one and I wouldn't own anything larger than power tools than

Well said I’m not a fan of electric,gas and diesel will be around for many many years old tractors will always run like you said if they came out with a electric Combine and if it’s a 5 hour run time no one won’t buy them.

Flaw in the cordless tool analogy. Everyone wanted a good cordless tool before they existed and even when they were crap. We wanted this function without cords. Batteries got MUCH better. Now we have tools that can do 90%+ of a corded tool. Car and tractors don't have an advantage. Think about it, if you have a diesel vehicle in Minnesota, and you forget to plug it in at night it is a REAL inconvenience. Forget to plug in you car? We don't want to deal with cords, electric vehicles are corded. You can't swap out a battery when it dies, like you can with fuel.

Can't say burning coal or oil to charge batteries is as bad as using diesel or gas, when that power plant is massively more efficient (and less polluting) than a small engine in any of these vehicles. And if you want to bring up subsidies, you have to bring in the oil/gas/coal subsidies, which are flat or insane! A level headed approach like this is good, but can be just as wrong if all the facts aren't present.

Central planning, ie communism, never benefits anyone except those making the rules. Government is not the answer to the problem. Government IS the problem.

I don't have electricity ran to my barn therefore, an electric tractor would save me from starting problems in cold winter days considering I can't plug in a tractor heater😮

@watchman1982

10 ай бұрын

How then would you plug in your electric tractor for charging? 😆

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

Also, I think extreme cold is the enemy of any battery and I would be much more worried about storing a electric tractor indoors

Any electric tool, needs to be able to finish the job!!! ...or it's not ready to be bought by me! (and shouldn't be for sale!)

Watch it scammers are rampant in the comments again.

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

I’m on it

Cars didn't take over the world by making horses illegal. Electric shouldn't take over by making fueled vehicles / power equipment illegal. The best technology should stand on its own merit because its truly better.

@PeeksPeakHobbyHomestead

10 ай бұрын

I like that analogy

@gckshea

10 ай бұрын

Very well stated!

Simplicity 👍 This whole ev thing aka green scrap is BS Farmers ,outdoorsman and hotrodders are more green than these idiots gluing themselves to the asphalt or running art

Think you ar a bit unfair when asking if the new electric tractor will be running in 80 years.. question1: do you think any new tractor will still be used in 80 years? Q2; how much of new tech will still Function after 80 years I see no problem with electric ecuipment.. batteries will wear out or go bad- but they will be recycled And they get cheaper over time

You buy "cheap chinese junk" consumer tools with small batteries and try to compare that as the "norm"... buy a commercial battery unit and then compare. As an Electrical Engineer I'm extremely excited for used EV's to become the norm. A battery isn't dead after the 10 year warranty...it's more at ~80% life. If that doesn't work for you I'll be glad to buy it for a couple grand, find a crashed model and swap the battery and have it run for 20-30 years longer. Everything about EV powertrains are easier to work on, fix, etc. Buggy software is the only thing you really need to look out for and companies like AEM are already coming out with replacement tunable and modifiable control boards for Tesla drive units. You have people that are experts in carburetors, fuel injection, throttle mapping, transmission tuning, hydraulic circuits, etc...ALL of that becomes obsolete when switching to EV's. ICE vehicles are way more complex. An EV frame will rust out before the motor or power train fails if built correctly. Something really cool coming is from Edison Motors, they're are about to start building hybrid EV logging trucks. I do agree commercial recycling of all these batteries will become a problem if nothing is done about it...What we need less of is "long range EV's, and more hybrid type vehicles. IMO something like the Jeep wrangler or Jeep Grand cherokee 4xe is what Everyone should have. It can satisfy 90% of 90% of peoples driving on electric only but can still provide long trips as needed, with a battery 25% the size of what the automakers seem to be pushing...the only other reasonable EV offered besides some of the teslas are the Chevy Bolt and Bolt EUV...which they almost cancelled...I'd be most interested in a PHEV with a natural gas powered generator and 25-50kWh battery. Natural Gas and Electric power are much more sustainable than most everything else and I could fill either up from home with the proper infrastructure. I'm contemplating trying to make a dual or tri-fuel generator work with a used tesla powertrain.

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

Cheap Chinese junk? Anyone who has the conversation about how great the electric tractors are brings up how much they like their cordless power tools. They are usually mentioned as the shining example for the success of rechargeable batteries. I’m using the flex volt stuff from Dewalt which is their newest line. A tool with the battery is $300. A replacement battery is $280. I’ve probably got 40 of those dewalt batteries because I owned a manufacturing business that use them for everything. We have a big pile of them that say bad on the side. They don’t last that long and they are really expensive. $100 batteries were an acceptable lost cost within my business. A Tractor should be some thing that you pass on to your son and then your grandson. Simple machine that puts out brute force to accomplish work. A $30,000 car with a $20,000 battery that has to be replaced in 10 years is called creating a disposable society

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

Ford literally released a truck that cost $100,000 and can barely pull a load across town before the battery is dead Not only is the technology not yet there, it’s miserably far away? I said in the video, I think it’s important that they continue to work on this technology for the future but it’s not yet close to practical for the applications I’m talking about This video was about an application for a tractor that should run 8 to 12 hours a day and a version that cost twice as much as a standard diesel tractor can run for two hours under load

@rcguymike

10 ай бұрын

@@RockhillfarmYT name 1 $30k car with a $20k battery that needs the battery replaced after 10 years. An older Nissan Leaf might be close to your example but those were a terrible design. Your power tool batteries by DeWalt are "Chinese garbage" there are not any power tool companies that use good batteries. They all currently use the NiCads of the lithium battery world because they're currently the cheapest and easiest ones to make. There are way better chemistries that will soon become cheaper and worth using. LiFePO4 is the NiMH of lithium batteries

@RockhillfarmYT

10 ай бұрын

@@rcguymike I didn’t say I didn’t ever want battery technology to be good enough to win the market. I said it’s not good enough today. Dewalt is an expensive tool for the average person and if it still considered cheap junk in a market that has been evolving for 30 years then good luck Where is the affordable better version of these cordless tools that are in demand and everyone wants When it exist it’s a different conversation

@rcguymike

10 ай бұрын

What is your exact application, a small business? Specifically using compact electric tractors as a full time business? That's how much value in the GDP? Case has commercial 100% electric mini excavators, someone has an all electric backhoe, mining dump trucks and equipment can be all electric. The tech isn't cheap enough that anyone wants to invest time or money into such a small marketplace, they need something big and expensive they can sell to their shareholders that will make a difference in the bottom line at a large corporation. Anything else at this point is simply marketing or research. The tech is available you could build something that would work it just would require a very large start up investment to get going. Instead we'll get mini research projects like the solectrac rather than something that works well out of the gate. Elon Musk seems to be the only one willing to risk it all to get things like that to happen.

For a homeowner......sure.....but for running a working farm....hard pass! Coal and natural gas fired generating plants charging strip mined lithium batteries.....how can that be green. People are being Grifted for money by politicians and business owners of the "electric" products. They could have a porpoise for low hour projects.

EV tractors aren't practical and batteries have pitiful energy density. These thing aren't forklifts in a plant that are always close to a charger running on 3 phase. Modern diesel tractors run 24/7 to harvest. I'll keep my diesel.

A lot of options not many facts

@RockhillfarmYT

8 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t go as far as calling them opinions. Not really structured enough for that. These are ramblings.

How about the 3000 cars that burnt of the coast of Holland on a transport ship which the crew abandoned ship. It was hauling electric cars those batteries and salt spray don't mix

The "green" electric camp does not pay enough attention to where the electric power comes from! We will get there, but technology must catch up to true needs. A major shift in our energy source will require time, technology and big money. But it must be done. I hope to see in my lifetime. What happened to the Flux Capacitor?

I’m so disinterested that I stopped watching this video . Sorry Brock

All junk