This is so good I need more of these 2 talking lore. Quelaag is amazing at bringing in sooo much info that gets my brain working in a thousand different directions but she often gets so lost in the weeds it can be hard to get her to land on solid ground so having rat her to help keep her reigned in is so nice haha. Yall need a dedicated podcast

@heibk-2019

Ай бұрын

Just imagine Smoughtown getting in there too, the talking would never end

@allbonksnobrakes9677

Ай бұрын

@@heibk-2019 bruh I could easily consume like 4 to 5 hours of content a week of all them ranting about this stuff. There is sooo much to delve into

@bau9894

Ай бұрын

usually i just play podcasts as white noise while i work but man this particular episode had my mind zooming everywhere

@zaryck13

Ай бұрын

Bring Tarnished Archaeologist too.

@nothanks9503

Ай бұрын

@@bau9894between this and having my chatbot enact debates between historical figures I feel like my brain ran a marathon

So excited to see Elden Jane herself on the podcast!

Quelaag is amazing, we need her, Smoughtown, and Rata to do another podcast together

@freddymeisner

Ай бұрын

100% agree

@eurongreyjoy2

Ай бұрын

Make this happen!

@epiccthulu

Ай бұрын

I wish she would acknowledge the fact that Martin wrote the world! Miyazaki only wrote the player’s story, he himself said that!

@possiblymaybe6711

Ай бұрын

@@epiccthulu i think she usually does in her streams and will even incorporate grrm's educational background and his other works

@DissidentDissonance

Ай бұрын

Like, OMG, I like totally like think that Like Smoughtown, Queelag and like Rata should like podcast like more frequently

Yes we NEED a part 2. Please and thank you! Great podcast.

Heck yeah, Quelaag!! ❤

Turtle pope has that line about how radagon was kind of a nobody and that people were confused when Marika made him Elden lord. Could this allude to him spending the Godfrey era in the land of shadow working on marika’s behalf, only to be called back to end the carian war?

@DaBogDweller

Ай бұрын

Especially if we’re assuming Messmer is a child of Radagon/Marika from before Godfrey’s time as Elden lord

@samthompson261

Ай бұрын

so radagon is like marika's rizzler ? she used him to seduce two separate societies into ruin thats kinda baller. what if in the end she was seduced by him which ruined her golden order as well?

@geordiejones5618

Ай бұрын

​@@samthompson261No wonder why this dude is so pissed at Marika's agenda lol. From his POV he just trying to stop her being so problematic.

@EmissaryOfSmeagol

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Radagon was also fighting in the wars, he was just a champion back then. "Leal Hound."

@DaBogDweller

Ай бұрын

@@EmissaryOfSmeagol he was fighting in the wars, it said he did come from the capitol into Liurnia with a bunch of soldiers, he’s just largely absent from the lore beforehand. And now we have reason to believe he may have been involved with pre-golden order events

Honestly I'm a quelaag fan but the format she noramlly uses isn't my speed so this is the perfect way to experience both of you. Conversation is so much more stimulating than lecture for me and the longer the better.

I would really appreciate seeing Queelag again once the dlc feels fully explored

So good. I love that there wasn’t anything truly unhinged like “Melina is Radagon’s half brother” or “Marika is Radahn’s horse” or whatever. That stuff is fun and all, but I’m kinda over it.

@oliverjones7296

27 күн бұрын

I don’t know, I’m pretty convinced Marika is Leonard, Radahn’s horse.

Omen being connected to the sun is so interesting but also feels like one of those “staring at us the whole time” things considering the dung eater is obsessed with omen and wears that sun medallion.

If Godwyn was the sun and Ranni the moon, the moon killing the sun sounds a lot like an eclipse to me.

wow, thanks ratatoskr, Queelag is great

yo, I am STILL spoiler free! yay me ❤

@abereu8405

Ай бұрын

Wdym by that. That you haven’t seen it? Cuz if you’re here you’ve been spoiled on item descriptions and stuff already

@n8doggy733

Ай бұрын

@@abereu8405 nope, i just listened and didnt pay attnetion to any of it. all i heard was like 100 plus weapons, the throwables are R2s not an AoW, and that the dlc may be half the size of the base game according to Iron Pineapple. thats it, literally all i know and i didnt look at a single frame of the vid

@abereu8405

Ай бұрын

@@n8doggy733 clever

@ManG1aze

Ай бұрын

Iron man dies

Quelaag!? And no spoilers?! Ty ty

@moodmusic4life

Ай бұрын

I love her lore dives but she needs to work on public speaking no one wants to hear "like" every three words

@piszanshid1953

Ай бұрын

@@moodmusic4life I think she does fine tbh

@FSVR54

Ай бұрын

@@piszanshid1953 her vocal fry gets annoying quick

@supermassive242

Ай бұрын

Vocal fry? I suggest you get your ears checked​. @FSVR54

@FSVR54

Ай бұрын

@@supermassive242 I could say the same thing to you, weirdo. Because it's there. Keep defending your queen. She will never bang you

Damn! Bringing up ENB! That’s how you know she’s an OG.

Great crossover. Time for a *long lunch break*

ENB shout out! I feel like I'm the only person who remembers him being _the_ guy, since he literally worked with FromSoftware for their official guides. He and Vaati were essentially the only two people doing serious analysis on Souls stuff at the time, but ENB was focused on guides + lore while Vaati was focusing solely on lore. Then his life unfortunately turned to shit.. and we kinda lost him to life. And now we only remember Vaati.

@mduckernz

Ай бұрын

What happened to him..?

@ojisankusai

Ай бұрын

@@mduckernz He had a really messy marriage breakdown and divorce. He got custody of his daughter if that tells you anything.

wait wait wait maybe ranni betrayed marika? if the plan was to proper kill godwyn to turn him into a martyr, and ranni betrayed the plan to die in body and now there's this unforseen result of godwyn turning into that abomination, ranni got what she wanted and marika had the final nail in the coffin to shatter the elden ring

Awesome to have Queelag! I think she put out some interesting points. Like Astel not being the punishment but crashing in after they are already underground. Some other points, Nox means Night in Latin, if the Nox came from the Numen, my guess is that they started being called "Nox" after being banished underground, when they started to live in "eternal night". The betrayal, something tells me we're going to hear more about it in the DLC. With currently knowledge, from the trailer voice-overs, I think the Numen may have helped Marika (which is a Numen too), create something (Figerslayer Blade, maybe?) to destroy the Order that was currently in charge when they arrived. Somehow, Marika ascended as a God, probably betraying her people in the process, and the Numen were banished underground, becoming the Nox. This would also make sense when we think the of the Night of the Black Knives, and how the "Scions of the Eternal Cities" would help Ranni slay the gods, Marika's kin. Probably out of revenge for what she's done to them to ascend to Godhood. This is just speculation, of course, my thoughts on how all these things connect.

You should have Hawkshaw on! Please! He has unparalleled insight.

This definitely was one of the best episodes yet!

If Marika and The Greater Will are fully in league, and Marika was a co-conspirator in the NotBK, then Iji wouldn't need his tin-foil hat to protect himself from the GW's remote-kill-via-radio-wave, and Ranni wouldn't need to kill her Empyrean flesh. Iji wears his tin foil specifically to prevent the GW from learning about Ranni's plot to kill her Fingers.

@umwhoalol

Ай бұрын

Marika just wanted to protect her children, including the lands between inhabitants, by being an overprotective mother. The GW was an over controlling absentee father that secretly just wanted to spread his golden seeds. So she got a divorce after he failed to protect her children, and broke the ring with a hammer, instead of just selling it to a pawn shop. (Elden ring in like 15 seconds)

@EmissaryOfSmeagol

Ай бұрын

@@umwhoalol this is pretty much exactly my take on Elden Ring lore.

@umwhoalol

Ай бұрын

​@@EmissaryOfSmeagolya just cus this confirmed it to me when I heard it from miss chalice scrounging it up on bandais website "One grim night in the depths of winter, a flock of unknown assassins stole across the Lands Between. In a coetaneous attack, this foul covenant snuffed out the lives of many of the God-Queen’s kin throughout the empire, too numerous and too scattered for her godly protection to save. The assassins’ targets were multifold, but none was as devastating a loss to the Eternal Queen as that of Godwyn the Golden. After his death, the Elden Ring was somehow shattered, and the order of the world broke with it."

@EmissaryOfSmeagol

Ай бұрын

@@umwhoalol the only reason I can think of, as to why Marika would shatter herself and condemn her fractured body to eons of crucifixion, was if she no longer wanted to associate with the GW. For what reason... I don't think anyone can say. But, it certainly makes sense to me that it could have been over her grief at the loss of her "Golden" child. You and I are on the same wavelength homie 🤝

@umwhoalol

Ай бұрын

@@EmissaryOfSmeagol if your wife saw u didn't protect her favorite kid....or any of her children...do you think she would stay with you? Ya know? Lol if I was her I'd get a divorce too, I wouldn't wanna be associated with mogh either, the secret evil twin in the basement. 😂

Quelaag is very knowledgeable and a it's a joy to listen to her ideas.

Probably my favorite format is this one. You guys discussing the lore is very interesting and it really helps with my mental health. Thank you

Most definitely need a pt. 2. This has been my favorite episode of the podcast.

I'm Excited!

I have a suspicion/hope/cope that Godwyn is the really big reveal that From has kept completely secret. I can't imagine he's not an integral part of the DLC plot, either as one of Miquella's main objectives, or as an actual character. It seems plausible that the metaphysics of the LoS would allow his soul to exist there, banished and separated from his body. The Eclipse seemed to be integral to Miquella's scheme, which would tie in with the Radahn requirement due to it requiring celestial movement, and I wonder if the Eclipse alignment somehow permits a connection between TLB/LoS.

@raymondcaswell5622

Ай бұрын

Godwyn will appear in his Deeproot Depths form. 100% guaranteed. The Eclipse is required for Miquella and what he wants to do.

@ribbonexylophone835

29 күн бұрын

i very much agree that he has to appear somewhere. when you look at pre erdtree death rituals and practices, the supposed "true deaths" in the age of the rune of death still being one with the whole elden ring, the soul doesn't simply disappear, the soul still remains in some way so what happened to godwyns soul?? it couldn't have simply disappeared into nothingness or have been destroyed that's not how death in this world works

@ribbonexylophone835

29 күн бұрын

@@raymondcaswell5622 i think he would maybe appear first in a spiritual form, somewhat similar to what his original form was but corrupted as a bossfight, and his second phase will somehow show him changing form and activating his death powers

Epic Name Bro! ENB was the father of Tarnished Archaeologist. Good call out by Queelag shows her roots in the community. Good podcast, well done Rat. Isn't it all about sex (life), marriage and breeding? The story keeps inverting these three themes over again. Sex is the inversion of death. Breeding is the inversion genocide. Marriage is the inversion separation. Death becomes necessary with the proliferation of sex. Genocide becomes necessary with the proliferation of breeding. Same with marriage and separation. However, the game suggest when you invert the inversion it doesn't regress to the original state! Life inverts to death. However, Death inverts to shadow! Isn't it also weird that Arcane (stat) indirectly affects both madness and sleep. The game lore suggest sleep counter acts madness. Even the stats have this inversion.

@selimword25

24 күн бұрын

Dialectics

Excellent points made by Quelaag. Thank you!

Quelaag is on the camp that Marika changed and Radagon embodies the aspect of who she once was. We don't talk with Marika or Radagon for a reason. That's why we need to understand their connections with everyone in order to draw the best picture we can and I seriously doubt that we will get a straight answer from the DLC.

The underground cities remind me of the annunaki and atlantis, a great cataclysm ending their civilization and the survivors teaching tribal humans their ways. This would explain how advanced architecture and city planning appear out of seemingly nowhere.

@eprimchad2576

Ай бұрын

or someone just came up with the idea, seems alot more likely than some ancient race of people, otherwise there would be more of it, and it wouldnt have come out of no where.

@writerblocks9553

Ай бұрын

@@eprimchad2576 I’m not saying Atlantis was real, I’m saying that the myth could be the inspiration for aspects of Elden Ring

@freddymeisner

Ай бұрын

@@writerblocks9553that what I got from your comment

@amurabyhernandez382

Ай бұрын

Very plausible especially considering that sellia town of sorcery is the same idea that we know for a fact happen but with the onyx lords

Catching this live, what a treat

I feel like I'm getting a fascinating college lecture. Quelaag is incredible!

So hype that you guys are collaborating! Absolutely loving this episode

Yes more of this, this was so interesting to hear about the conclusions that you both have drawn from things that I've never been able to make heads or tails of

Imma use that "you're in second place" line at the bar this weekend, thanks Rat

Great stuff! I would love to see a part 2

Never thought of it like that.About the Mimic Tear and the fact its a copy of us but its its own person. Or own copy with a will of its own. Reminds me of the No bodies in Kingdom Hearts lore. Yes it takes the same inspirations as Elden Ring as well. Same with Final Fantasy and Persona. Naruto too! And yes it goes a lot deeper. Even down to the cosmic connections. Roxas and Sora are basically like Marika and Radagon in that aspect if he is a mimic tear. The cut quest reminds me so much of Sora and Roxas being from the same heart yet seperate souls, wills.

@GaryJuuce

22 күн бұрын

wait a minute that actually makes sense. same with the rest of the nobodies. Now that i think about it Kingdom hearts lore does fit into Elden ring in some ways besides that. Erd Tree seems like the Moon heart how all souls go into one! what would the heartless be tho in elden ring?

@BioAlpha5

22 күн бұрын

@@GaryJuuce That would prolly be "Those who live indeath" like Godwyn. A plauge. Heartless are basically dark energy and dark matter made manifest combined with eldritch horror/zombie concept of changing you into them. Godwyn and his entire undead horde would basically fit that description. Ranni would be the exact opposite like Xehanort possessing Terra in Birth By Sleep, infact her ending mirrors that of the ending of Kingdom hearts 1 with how Hollow bastion is inside a black hole while the end of the world is a neutron star or something of that nature like a gravastar. Heartless come from space. So i wonder what cosmic horrors her ending brings about. D is one body and 2 souls, like Sora in KH2 with Roxas or KH1 with Kairi inside him. The Erd Tree and Kingdom Hearts Moon that "All becomes one" is all inspired by "The Anima Mundi" or World Soul Final Fantasy 7s lifestream is also based on it as well too! And as for the Eclipse at Castle Sol, Moon and Alchemy, they all tie into it as well. KH also has a moon, and they share similarities too like the eclipse would supposedly help godwyn regain his soul or something. Kingdom Hearts idea of a soul goes into a moon shaped like a heart. if it is complete a great reset happens supposedly. I wonder if the Eclipse would have something similiar happen. KH also has realm of Death&Sleep and they meet just like in Elden Ring as well. Both have connections to alchemy in other ways too like soras crown and key, like how the erd tree has a lock that must be opened. How many Warriors of Light? 7. How many Shard Bearers of the Runes in Elden Ring? Seven. So does that mean in Elden Ring we are the darkness ending the age of Light? maybe could give ya a hint to KH4 too! 7 foretellers of false light fated to bring ruin to the world. Oh and Zelda uses this too, 7 sages. BotW and Tears of the Kingdom has a lot of Alchemy connections too. connections go deeper than that too im sure as if i did id be here all day. maybe i should do a video on all the similarities of KH, Zelda and Elden Ring?

@GaryJuuce

22 күн бұрын

@@BioAlpha5 Yeah a video of the similarities would be awesome! I had no idea there was all those similarities until you mentioned it! Might as well do a video on the Back hole neutron star stuff because that sounds intriguing as well. About Kingdom hearts i mean. Zelda would be cool too honestly. Lore hunting is a blast. Cant wait for Shadow of the Erdtree.

Yesss! My two favorite creators!!! This is so good 😊

This was amazing loved the discussion between you two!!

This was amazing. I would love to see a part 2. Also have Tarnished Archeologist come on the podcast, I think that would be another fascinating episode

Now this is a guest I’ve been hoping to have in here!

Fantastic conversation between you and Quelaag, it was such a great listen. We must have another!

Great podcast! I’d love to see Miss Chalice on too

yessss i love quelaags content soo much definitely been waiting on this one

Great podcast, liking and suscribed, thank you so much for the spoiler warnings

I believe that the underground's oddities can be explained by the underground being a remnant of the Lands Between's prior form--which is why it shares a lot of traits with the Mountaintop of the Giants, for instance. To explain; I've always interpreted the Lands Between as a sort of pagan after life, co-opted by multiple groups throughout the eras into different real-world cultural variants of the after life--you have a Greco Roman era with greek influences, a Norse era or conquerors and keeps, all the way to the more catholic era with the Golden Order and its big cathedrals and gold leaves. Given the Golden Order's state of power is emphasized by the Erdtree itself, being untouched by that influence (through either a lack of root contact, or lack of light) could theoretically remove its influence on natural order (as enforced by the power of the Elden Ring), and, in the absence of that light, a spirit world flourishes below ground--as well as in the Mountaintop of the Giants above it, where the rays of its light also don't cast. 'Sunlight' seems less relevant, to me than the lack of contact with the Erdtree's rays of light. Without those, you're basically outside of its influence--so, for instance; burning bodies produces Ghost Flame (which can also seemingly be seen in Catacombs.)

Such a joy and surprise to hear you converse with each other, so strange to hear Queelag talk to another person live. Really nice talk. Thank you both!

What a great discussion, i could have listened to 4 hours or more of this!

Ive been waitimg for this!

Yes! Of course we want a part 2

I’m so excited for this podcast, let’s go Quelaag!

These collabs are great keep ‘em coming 🙏🏻

A great podcast with a great guest. Thanks for that.

Thanks for the spoiler free portion

Ahhhh I've been looking forward to this one!

Love listening to Queelag. Always feels like I am learning, rather than just hearing people talk about random video game lore

Thank you for the spoiler free parts of the video. I wish I could watch the rest but gotta stay strong.

Great collab! Would love 2 see more of you 2 talking about ER lore on future podcasts.

This was great thank you

What is more fearsome than a true believer? Someone who ultimately and always puts fear to the side when wholly appropriate, and always acts from a place of genuine love? How can anyone deny that type of power?

@edwademberpants2552

Ай бұрын

Based.

@pastorofmuppets4552

Ай бұрын

You don’t get genuine love from bewitching branches.

@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike

Ай бұрын

@@pastorofmuppets4552 No, but are they made with it? Best way to deflect malicious harm committed and directed toward me, an efficient way to deal with it would be to deflect that choice/action away from myself, and ideally, toward another that means me harm... And since we're talking video games, and I'm just guessing here, a good way to manufacture such a tool would be via "bewitchment".

@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike

Ай бұрын

Bewitch: to enchant or delight. The bewitching branch enchants and delights the individual it is used on... Essentially focusing and distilling the intent held by whoever it is used on. If that individual is intent on default violence and I believe in love... I think it best for all we get what we want... I only differ in that default violence is best exercised as far away from me as possible.

@NDenizen

Ай бұрын

In greek mythology, Eros is sometimes considered the most fearsome of the Gods due to his nature of influencing love.

I think Fia is from The Land of Shadow where Marika and the erdtree are reviled and thus she was expelled to The Lands Between when she received Marika’s grace

Great conversation. Really enjoyed myself.

Thanks guys this was awesome

Just wanted to leave this here to say that y’all bouncing off one another was lovely to listen to in the background at work. Definitely need her on future podcasts! Cut it short because I’ve been able to stop myself from listening to any of the preview videos on the dlc, but I enjoyed everything before as always! See everyone June 21st! 🫡🫡

Probably the most concise theory of what’s going on with the Eternal Cities I’ve heard. A lot of the other lore hunters seem to have given up on trying to explain the giant thrones and shied away from Sellia.

One of the very best episodes yet

A martyr isn't someone who dies to further a cause, it's someone who dies because of their beliefs. The honor of martyrdom is the idea of "i would sooner die than recant my beliefs". The tragic side of martyrdom happened a lot in the second world war, where lots of people were simply killed without even having a chance to recant.

@ratatoskr6324

21 күн бұрын

How did Godwyn die for his beliefs?

@supersonicgamerguru

21 күн бұрын

@@ratatoskr6324 from our perspective he doesn't look like a martyr, but from the perspective of certain factions he might look like one. From our perspective, he died as a sacrifice to Ranni's plans, but if even one of the parties who were involved in the perpetration of the night if the black knives targeted him because of his loyalties or beliefs, then he would objectively be a martyr. As I understand it, we don't currently have enough information regarding the true motives of all involved to be able to draw such a conclusion. From a more subjective viewpoint it's a bit more interesting though. Even if we never learn of Godwyn's thoughts or beliefs, if there is a faction that decides to revere him, such as those who live in death, they may consider him to be a martyr. I'm not sure if they actually do, but they have every right to.

So with the outer gods, I really think cosmic HP Lovecraft lore is very intentionally in here. You have entities that do not think like a mortal or any terrestrial creature does. To the point where they want the stars to align they want this heavenly body or Majority of a world to be in order to reflect them, but their consciousness is so alien that they know they need something local to Actualize that concept. They’re too foreign to exist themselves so they send emissaries and influence capable beings. That’s what it feels like to me anyway.

@umwhoalol

Ай бұрын

Miyazaki cited HP Lovecraft as well as lord of the rings for inspiration. He mentioned another one I didn't recognize as well.

@vincenzobulla113

Ай бұрын

The outet gods are not Lovecraftian being from outet space, outer just mean they are outside of the golden order doctrin, and another note, the GW is not an outer god.

@umwhoalol

29 күн бұрын

@@vincenzobulla113 OK but barely, technically. Just because the formless mother is implied to be living in a higher dimension as a living field/force everywhere.(like any particle on the standard model in normal 3+1 dimensions and standard physics- which represent a real life universal force, as a mathematically applicable force to every point in space- a field.) But the actual technicality of that, moreso than even actual science like the laws of physics that the game implies exist- is instead much more referential to berserk than anything else about how the world actually works, which in itself in berserk is like a 40 sentences total anyways. That's just- humans psyche and archetypes are given power by natural spirit world, shintoism, to drive the narrative, and end up creating a hellworld. But how they styled it in storytelling was, like bloodborne, more hp Lovecraft inspired to absolutely give that an as option(alien/annunanki-higher-dimensional-squid-gods) for understanding the story.

Great conversation. I’ve watched quelaag for years but never knew she started lore before ENB

1:11:14 So one wrinkle with the Black Knives that you guys don’t mention here that makes me think Ranni’s involvement is more complicated than just “shedunnit” is that the Black Knives seem to be hunting her and her servants. It’s honestly something that gets passed over quite a lot, from what I’ve seen. They are the ones who assassinate Iji, and several Black Knife corpses are scattered around Blaidd when we find him driven to madness outside Ranni’s Rise. Presumably, they were there to kill Ranni, but were too late and ran into him. I see several possibilities here: 1) Ranni’s the one controlling them, and she’s tying up loose ends. I find this highly unlikely for several reasons. First, I simply don’t buy that she’d do it. Kill Seluvis? Sure, there’s clearly no love lost between them, he’s obviously an alliance of convenience. But Blaidd and Iji are her two oldest friends and confidantes, and by the time they die she’s basically won - she’s killed her two fingers and just needs to wait for us to claim the throne - so there’s no reason for her to kill them. 2) The Black Knives serve Marika, and they’re trying to stop Ranni from enacting her ending. I’m iffy on this one, because if we presume the Black Knives serve Marika, that means she was involved in or at least aware of the plot to kill Goldwyn and did not stop it, which is a tacit approval of Ranni’s plans - but now, when those plans are on the cusp of completion and Marika is long since imprisoned, she’s suddenly doing an about-face and trying to stop Ranni? I simply can’t square the shift in motive that would make this explanation make sense. 3) The Black Knives serve neither Ranni or Marika, and are hunting Ranni for their own reasons. This is what I lean towards. It is my opinion that the Black Knife plot was not of Ranni’s making, but an existing plan that she hopped onto because she saw in it an opportunity to facilitate her escape from her Two Fingers and the Greater Will. I think the Black Knives intended to slay Godwyn wholly, not to kill only his soul, and that Ranni basically tricked them, co-opting their assassination attempt by killing herself at the same time, which resulted in the half-deaths they each experienced. Their hunting Ranni, then, is presumably for revenge - she botched their big plan, after all. This is the only scenario where all the motivations make sense, at least to me. I’d be interested to know others thoughts on all this.

Quelaag collab, nice !

The DLC coming out on the Summer Solstice is awesome. Longest day of the year.

Oh my God, the crossover i thought i would never see

I'm glad Quelaag brought up color. I assume day and night exist as major poles and a bunch of colors blend inbetween the two as seen on the clock, but there's more colors than just on there like black. Rannis quest line seemingly has you take the yellow suns pole away so only cold blue remains

One interpretation is that the Nameless Eternal city was a Numen city that was once above ground where Leyndell is now. This city was banished underground after use or creation of the Finger Slayer blade. Those Numen who survived the banishment traveled down the two rivers Ainsel and Siofra in coffins. They then founded the two cities of Nokron and Nokstella where the rivers led them, becoming the Nox. In both the Astel Remembrance and Black Moon descriptions, they mention a singular eternal city. This was the nameless eternal city. I also speculate there was a faction split within the Numen culture, between the tree-worshipping numen who stayed above, and the moon-worshipping numen who were banished and became the nox. Marika is descended from the tree-worshipping numen, who exist today as the perfumers.

Really enjoyed this cast she puts some really cool spins and insight from her knowledge. It be great if there were some slides next time that point to what both are referring to just to jog my memory as to where to look at the lore and where their perspectives are coming from.

Gonna watch this through tonight

Love Quelaag! Great guest

Dope episode! Chill Ratatoskr + ADHD Quelaag is such a perfect mix. 🤣

YOOOOOOOOO HYPED FOR THIS

Would love to see yall talk again after beating the DLC. Perhaps a raw reaction to the dlc with Quelaag, Zio and Smough would be fun. I think talking to Tarnished Archaeologist would be fun after we’ve all had a few weeks to heavily analyze.

Yea I think a lot of lore videos are going to need to be redone after the DLC comes out

Godwyn was called "the Golden". He was an important figure in the Golden Order, a religious organization. Yes, his murder automatically makes him a martyr.

@ribbonexylophone835

29 күн бұрын

thats literally not the definition of a martyr at all... if someone randomly decided to kill the current pope he wouldn't be a martyr, however many saints and jesus himself are considered martyrs was because their deaths served a greater purpose. jesus was sacrificed to save all humanity, his death had a purpose, if he was just a son of god who died because people didn't like god or some shit he wouldn't be a martyr

@chriswilshoemaker5742

29 күн бұрын

@@ribbonexylophone835 a martyr is a person killed because of their religion. That's it. Yes, Godwyn is a martyr.

@joaoluizkfsantos8392

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​@@chriswilshoemaker5742your definition is correct, but you just jumped to a conclusion. Where is it stated that Godwyn's murder happened BECAUSE of his faith/position in the golden order? Because if it didn't, just being part of a religion doesn't turn him into a martyr.

my opinion about Godwyn is that he was supposed to die a true death, reintegrate the erdtree through the roots and either reincarnate as a demi god of death or reestablish the rune of death into the system, which could be Marika’s plan to right her wrongs. But since it was split in two, he’s got the undeath part and ranni the fate part of destined death. (her mending rune is probably the moon itself)

This is so good

The Frenzied Flame ending strikes me as basically someone kickstarting a Big Crunch that'll cause the universe to return to the singularity it was before it lost whatever cohesion kept it together. Sort of like the hypothesized potential end to our own universe by the same name.

Excellent podcast

The best part of this delightful conversation is still the automatic subtitles translating Ranni to Ronnie

If the context of martyr in this situation is to die for one's beliefs as an example for others, then maybe Godwin believed in death and was willing to sacrifice part of himself toward that end.

Quelaag is souls nostalgia at this point. I'm glad she's still around making lore video.

Messmer is Marika's child from before she split from the Gloam Eyed Queen, her shadow self.

@CarelessVagabond

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Tf you on about? That doesn't even make sense.. Maliketh killed the Gloam-Eyed Queen, shortbus...

@robaustin_

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@@CarelessVagabond Maliketh defeated the Gloam Eyed Queen after she split from Marika. That's why we have the golden order instead of the "Silver Order" or whatever.

My favorite youtubers who did elden ring videos

It reminds me of a lot of Carl Jung in terms of the duality for the Demi-gods and their other halves. Or shadows.

how could one not love the frenzy flame ending??? it's so cool lol

My god, quelaag is like a youtuber dinosaur, i feel like i m leatining forgoten knowledge and history from a ancient primordial been

If Marika is God, Miquella is Jesus Christ.

Now you only need to make the fabled Rata+Vaati video

We need part 2!

The discussion about the underground areas makes me think a lot of modern day Rome where you have Roman Ruins and the Colessium in the middle of the modern city right next to the Vatican with St. Peter's and the Sistine Chapel