7:55 Remember when we found the AMBER STARLIGHT, wasnt there a statue Øf Miquella there!?!? It seems he DID use it to change his fate! 🤯

Messmer is based on the summerian god, Ningishzida, which translates to "lord of the good tree". Messmer "planted" the Erdtree by piling up corpses. That first scene shows Marika entering the Erdtree, which we know has a gold lining around it. The Erdtree roots are always surrounded by corpses. Marika surrounded the Erdtree in gold to veil the fact that it is made entirely of CORPSES. That is the shadow of the Erdtree.

@shquankinket8068

Ай бұрын

I’m liking this

@IsaardP

Ай бұрын

I like this one, the Erdtree looks gold and ethereal because it's an illusion. It's really a corpse tree in the Land of Shadow and the only solid portion we see is the sealed portal. Very cool.

@-.M_C.-

Ай бұрын

I think those are not corpses but the crucible were all life was once blended togather

@hereticseraphim73

Ай бұрын

Didn’t he literally make a video about this a month ago?

I think the pile of bodies is the entrance of another tree and those golden skies are the Lands Between. The purple skies are the Land of Shadow. It seems as if Marika is closing whatever that link or portal is.

I think the wall of corpses in the beginning are the Erdtree, or at least, merged with the Erdtree. The golden opening in the middle where Marika is, is similar to the gap in the Erdtree where we enter to fight Radagon and the Elden Beast

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

I think the idea of it being Erdtree or Erdtree related is gaining traction and the imagery does make it seem like it could work

@romerobritto9094

Ай бұрын

Also interesting how the golden sky is BETWEEN the dark sky

@erikreber3695

Ай бұрын

Idk I kinda think it's the primordial crucible...

@merleetomlin6218

Ай бұрын

@@romerobritto9094 Almost like it’s a different realm. Remember the fight with the Elden Beast is in a peculiar room. Not to mention, to enter the boss room with Radagon requires teleporting through a white wall, so in the trailer, she could literally be creating some pocket dimension to protect the Elden Ring… Ooooor (bear with me 😅) remember Ranni’s spell that conjures Rennala in her prime? That realm is very similar to the room we fight the Elden Beast, only the full moon is present instead of the hundreds of trees. What if Marika is doing something similar to what Ranni did. A protective spell housing the Elden Beast to protect the Elden Ring from her enemies. Sorry, just a little unhinged speculation, haha. I know the Beast is supposed to be the manifestation of the Elden Ring itself, but who knows how those celestial beings actually work.

@merleetomlin6218

Ай бұрын

@@erikreber3695 It does share that crimson coloring, and the crucible is known for merging life.

Marika is a triumphant champion calling to the Greater Will. Similar to us and Ranni, Marika had to kill the last god. She killed the Gloam-Eyed queen who was the previous god(dess) and uses the threads of grace that was implanted in her. When she is raising these thread it isn’t the rune making the “wind” it is a roar from the Greater Will! We already have seen how you have to take from the dead god’s body to create a new order so the scene of Marika is just confirming SHE did it too.

I think The Crucible was just an euphemism for a mass sacrifice. Of course , if you present it from the point of view in vanilla, one can imagine that the Erdtree was something born naturally. My opinion is that Marika invaded the Land of Shadow with her soldiers, performed mass sacrifice that called the Elden Beast which granted her godhood. The piles of corpses then, with time transformed into the Erdtree proper and entire act was hidden by pulling the veil on that place and purging entirely so no one can tell the story.

@ScarletEdge

Ай бұрын

We can now see the contrast between the Erdtree and the Haligtree. Specifically, how both of these trees were grown. Marika used the blood of her victims, while Miquella used his own blood.

The scene of the bodies and the golden light with marika in the middle invoke this scene in berserk where Griffith's vision of a castle on the distance is shown to him by one of the god hands As he stumbles on a mountain of bodies to reach it. Most don't notice you can hear the elden beast crashing infront of marika as its ost plays

@McDudes

Ай бұрын

similar imagery is shown in vinlandsaga as well.

@giovaniconte1860

Ай бұрын

Yep...makes me think that this was kind of a eclipse ritual(like in berzerk) that Marika had to do to get the attention of a certain outter god. Or maybe to get her Godhood status like Griffith's ascent.

@_CrimsonBlade

Ай бұрын

So youre saying elden ring is just a lazy copy of berserk and miyazaki really doesn’t have any original ideas

@SlightlyThrowed420

Ай бұрын

@@_CrimsonBlade no but when you wave notion to the creative unconscious & bring it down to the math there is only 9 numbers. 10 is restarting to the original 1 & 0 so there is truly nothing original. Even in music and art you run out of notes and styles. There are only so many cords and colors They all come from a set number of orginal pieces. Meaning nothing can truly be original. Everything is mostly inspired or meaningless at best. Its why some things like this strike A sense of either nostalgia or discomfort. They all are inspired from the orginal set pieces echoing each other. Alan wake 1 & 2 story explain this philosophy through carl Jung's inspirations

@bbluva20

Ай бұрын

I wouldn't be so quick to ascribe that sound as the Elden Beast. The OST could merely be suggestive of godhood, not a literal meeting between Marika and the Greater Will. This is also George R R Martin's story, not everything is Berserk focused.

FYI: Remember the true 1st Elden Lord was Plaxidusax so it stands to reason that thing from which Marika seems to be removing the strands of the Elden ring from is Presumably the "fled God" Plaxidusax was awaiting the return of when Plaxidusax retreated beyond time in Farum Azula.

My thought with the burning figure is Melina. She’s a kindling maiden, so it makes since to me. We also think she might be connected to Gloam Eyed Queen, so if that character gets more lore in the DLC, it’s totally possible we get answers about Melina too.

btw the guy with the big hat at the end of the trailer is the same guy we saw wielding martial arts in the initial trailer

@Stuwi

Ай бұрын

That was most likely the player wearing this npc's outfit

The scene with Marika (maybe) during the birth scene has a brief shot of her hair blowing in the wind. Hair that is distinctly NOT gold, as we would think, but instead it’s...red. The potential implications of this brief shot alone has my mind racing I don’t recall the last time I was this excited about anything.

@spencerharmon681

Ай бұрын

I think think it birth. I think it's the eye of the Gloam Eyed Queen... all the skinned buddies from the Godskin Apostles

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

I do think the hair near her head looks super unambiguously gold

@Stuwi

Ай бұрын

It is completely blonde, she is just in a very bloody landscape, probably got dirty too

People are making too many Berserk comparisons. MIQUELLA IS NOT FUCKING GRIFFITH

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Tru they dont fill they same narrative role, but there are alot of Berserk references lol. I think he does have aesthetic (at the least) inspiration from Griffith and as the top comment points out the bodies do look like Griffith's dream panel. Though I dont think anyone should expect Miquella to be acting like or filling a character role like Griffith. FromSoft definitely made their own character with him

@rafsandomierz5313

Ай бұрын

I mean Miyazaki is pretty hardcore Berserk fan you will find references to it in *every game he directs.* And every part of games he directs uses Berserk's narrative as foundation to build an compelling story. With Elden ring it's a little bit more obvious than other titles. Because it screams Berserk inspired.

I personally think the edges of the "door" where Marika is brandishing what appears to be the Elden Ring (or perhaps pulling on a veil?) look suspiciously like the Blasphemous Blade and the way it displays the bodies of those subsumed by it. Which of course also has tie-backs to snakes, blasphemy, and fire. And therefore Messmer.

The Egley Snake seems to be impaled/skinned Like the impaled Liondancers in the Trailer i think. And i think the lady sitting in the fire, burning, could be Melina. Getting burned and bodyless

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Oh having Melina been a character here would be cool, and since this trailer shows things happening in the past, it technically could be such a depiction

@Stuwi

Ай бұрын

​@@MadLuigi I really wish we would get more Melina stuff but Miyazaki said the dlc wont feature base game characters directly as it is supposed to be a standalone adventure, unaffected by the state of the world in the main game. However, this cinematic is clearly taking place in the past so maybe learning about Melina's backstory, rather than directly meeting her is a loophole in that Miyazaki statement

@merleetomlin6218

Ай бұрын

It being Melina would be cool, though some have speculated it might be the Gloam Eyed Queen as she is wielding a weapon similar to the Godskins. Double that with the popular theory of Melina being the Gloam Eyed Queen and the evidence is pretty strong! That is a lot of fire and Melina is “burned” and bodiless.

I think that is the crucible where all life was blended togather

@erikreber3695

Ай бұрын

Me too! Everyone seems to think it's the erdtree but forget the primordial crucible was the erdtree before it was a tree. Glad I'm not alone here!

The figure that is speared on the stairs looks like the pic of Godfrey in the Badlands.

1:59 that womb-like thing looks awfully similar to the Godskin "apparel". I think all those dead bodies are the gods from which the Godskin got their god skin. Curious...

I believe it is the godskin swaddling cloth that Marika is reaching into. I also believe that based on the voice over and talk of seduction and betrayal that the child is none other than Melina, the child of Marika (possibly as radagon) and the gloam eyed queen. This would explain Melinas one gloam coloured eye and the fact it is for the most part sealed by the beast claw mark due to destined death being confined by Maliketh (which was not the case during the gloam eyed queens rule) that’s my thoughts anyway!

Is it possible that maybe Mesmers flame can cure Malenias rot ? Fire in game is the only thing that can keep rot from spreading

Oh my god i am so ready

My theory is that the Shadowlands WERE the Land Between, in the era of the Crucible. When Marika took over a new Land Between formed, casting the old into shadow. We see Marika passing bloodied bodies, those are skinned bodies of failed gods, killed by the godskin apostles, how she survived i don't know. The seduction and betrayal mmight refer to her seducing the Elden Beast as shown in the trailer and then betraying it by shattering the Elden Ring later on. The double tree is the Erdtree sapping strenght (or growing from) the Crucible Tree, so rather the Crucible did not evolve into the Erdtree, the Erdtree parasited it. This is my theory, i'm still curious what happened to the Gloom-eyed Queen.

Could that portal with bodies possibly be the primordial crucible? I mean all life was supposed to be merged into various forms through the crucible, theres many bodies seemingly merged in that scene so made me wonder.

The “pile of bodies” is probably the primordial crucible, with Marika using the Elden ring to make the Erdtree. It could also be Marika sealing the land of shadow to the lands between, with those bodies being war casualties. That scene could even take place after the events of Elden Ring with Marika rebuilding the lands after our massacre.

The opening scene kinda looks like a godskin robe that shes reaching into, also notice all the skinned corpses? If the Gloam-Eyed_Queen is here it would make sense since skinning corpses were their thing. After this I think the betrayal has something to do with the Gloam Eyed Queen for sure.

Devs: what to include in this trailer? Miyazaki: legs

I missed your uploads

Empailing or crucifixing someone in Elden Ring not only is a humiliation, it removes you from re-entering the life cycle of the erdtree by making it impossible for anything to teach the roots of the tree. The spirits and wraiths that hount the omen and that they use might be related.

Something I never see talked about in all of the Elden Ring lore videos concerning Miquella is the bewitching branch and its description. With the DLC coming out and focusing on Miquella’s backstory, that last line of the item’s description has always made me curious.. did anyone follow him willingly?

@Stuwi

Ай бұрын

Me too, I feel like that item description is very sinister and I find it hard to imagine From and GRRM would create an actual morally good demigod.

I'm really surprised more people haven't said that Marika is pulling the Elden Ring from the body of the Gloameyed Queen. We know the Gloameyed Queen had the Elden Ring before Marika, as she ruled with Destined Death, which Marika removed when she got it from her. And we know that her husband Placidusax was the First Elden Lord... So she was likely the first bearer of the Elden Ring.

1:21 I dont think thats Marika, shes not wearing a top, this is either Radagon (with blondeish hair?) or Miquella

The women from the first trailer in the painting was holding her stomach like she was pregnant, I believed merika betrayed her and stole the very first grace from her stomach, this is why she doesn’t want this war to be song or talked about everything we though we knew about merika might be a lie

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

That painting lady could've been holding her hands like that to signify being pregnant. But I wonder if Marika would've allowed such a painting to continue to exist

I wonder if the coiled spear holder is Marika, dressed in her Numen warrior attire (similar to the Black Knives), and she's partnered with Mesmer to sacrifice the Numen people and town (a la Berserk's Eclipse) to become a god. Hence why she's kneeling in despair as it's her actions that Messmer's come to cleanse the land of the beasts, omen, Numen, etc...

good video bud :)

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Just a random theory, maybe Radagon was the god in the lands of shadow, the reason messmer has red hair and the reason he almost had no backstory where he came from in ER

With the walls I just see symbolism, it looks like a birth canal and Markia bring born as a god, I know the walls some are saying its the erdtree being formed cause of the dead bodies

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Whatever it is, it is definitely being used for that flavor of symbolism no doubt

9:50 - That is probably the Miquellan Knight. We acquire the Miquellan Knight Sword which tells us A) the Miquellan Knight sword (and presumably armor) are modelled after the Carian Knight versions. This NPC is wearing equipment very similar in design to the Carian Knights, and B) The sword has no owner, and why that is has yet to be explained. Given the female voice actor, she is probably female OR a young boy. If he is a young boy, it could simply be that he had not properly ascended to knight-hood and thus did not acquire their blade. He or She might have stolen the armor set from Elphael and snuck out in order to search for Miquella after Mohg's intrusion came to light. As for the rest of the trailer, Marika seems to have sacrificed an entire civilization in a deceptive and cruel manner in order to gain favor from the Elden Beast. She stands in a gateway made by many sacrifices that might have opened a domain to the Elden Beast/Ring (this might be where the tree was sprouted). Considering the golden strands and her pose would make up the shape of her Great Rune, she might have created it with this "ritual/sacrifice" in order to attain immortality or house the Elden Ring within herself and become God. Messmer's Purge is occurring within the Land of Shadow. As for when this is happening, I would suspect AFTER Godfrey and the Tarnished were already banished from the Lands Between and Radagon became Elden Lord. It's currently assumed Messmer is child of Marika and Radagon because of his red hair, so it might have been Radagon's influence that resulted in the Crucible being despised by the GO. Messmer was placed in the Land of Shadow to enforce Marika's new ideals because of Radagon, i believe. This is entirely theoretical and has no backing. It's hard to determine when this happened. Miquella was probably disturbed by Mohg removing him from the Haligtree. While he doesn't need his body, he was probably expecting Malenia to return and join him in the Land of Shadow after Radahn's hold over the stars was dealt with. Since none of that happened, he went to sleep and used his St. Trina persona to guide others to him, hence why a bunch of Albinauric appeared in Mohgwyn Palace.

You want a twist, all the dream like portions are touched by death, Fia beds Godwyn, you fight his Lichdragon, everything is touched by him, somebody betrayed Miquella, somebody Golden, I feel nobody has considered Miyazaki's flair for insane twists, so what if the whole twist is Godwyn played everyone, and the disconnected realm, is like a dream come life, or death if you consider the Lichdragons dream space. It's very likely anyone could be right, but this feels so far fetched, it just got ignored, also Fia was bangin gold boy, chances are higher then a lot of other crazy ideas. Either ways this is fun. Basically what is Godwyn duped everyone, blindsided!!!!

I think the armor of the soldiers in Messmer's armies has the same design as the Crucible Knights'. This army taking the Crucible moniker would parallel real world batallions or divisions. They wouldn't be Crucible-aligned, they'd be the ones that were dispatched to purge the Crucible-centered culture. The name Crucible would refer to where the knight takes his fame from.

PLEASE let Miquella stay good. Him being revealed to have some dark ulterior motive would be so expected. I think him being a truly benevolent presence as he’s painted would be quite refreshing for a FS game.

The most intriguing thing to me is the beginning of the trailer. What is merika doing? What’s all that flesh everywhere and why does it look like the whole world is made of flesh?

Oh boy, if the trailer's blood and gore almost took you out, better get a bucket before getting there ingame because I'm fairly sure that we will get there eventually ingame.

@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537

Ай бұрын

>Pegi 16 The DLC probably opens with Gears of War 1 lancer revving sounds and Marcus Birdman telling us -Dom- Miquella needs us to log split Messmer to save -Maria- Malenia... and they really saved on fucks for this. Scenario: Luigi works for the airline to nix barf bags. >Boeing planes >Plausible deniability

I couldn’t wait to get home from work and find some more lore on the dlc lol

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Honestly thats really dope to hear

damn thats crazy

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Big fax

With miquella having the power to convince people to join him. I hope somehow they do a little bit of a fourth wall break where he ends up swindling us the player making us feel betrayed and led on by his portrayed grace. But I would also love for them to finally give us a purely heroic and loving character like the firekeepers in dark souls

the spear in the trailer looks like rominas weapon

I think the picture of the “lord” and the pregnant women are the dynast from the statues in uhl palace and if she is the gloom eyed queen I think Marika seduced him to get close enough to kill her and or take her power as the reigning god of the age. I think when Marika did this or maybe after by purging the land of shadow I think she threw the natural order/cycle of things out of balance. Enya says “Marika plucked the rune of death upon the orders creation.” I think by removing death and making herself and the demigods “eternal” she fucked up the balance like Gwyn from Dark Souls. I also think Mesmer could be the bastard child of Marika and the Lord/Dynast. I’m probably off on a lot of this. But so far this is where my head space is at.

Can someone tell me what marika is grabbing in the beginning of the trailer cause i cant tell

@MadLuigi

12 күн бұрын

no one can its ambiguous 😭

By the way I relate to you about the amount of gore in the beginning - it did made me feel uneasy in a way even Bloodborne couldn’t. It was a nice kind of uneasy, as I think it looks both disgusting and beautiful at the same time - which is fitting as we are seeing the birth of The Age of Gold. I absolutely love it.

Those npc are probably tarnished also.

the female at 5:24 maybe the dual wielding character that was compared to the blue dancer in the original trailer.

I for one do not trust Miquela because. It was said he waits for his one true lord. And yet here it would seem he abandoned everything.

Personally, I'm new to Souls games, I think our character is a reincarnation of Miquela.

All these people pathetically attempting to discern what the game trailer is supposed to represent is WAY more ENTERTAINING than the trailer itself 😂💀 By all means, please continue so we can LAUGH at you after June when the DLC is released, and all is revealed 🤦🏼‍♂️

I know we have all tried to place Messmer’s birth and parentage in the timeline and make it fit, but it just occurred to me- why? Why does he need to be a child of Marika? Why can’t he be a husband? Marika has a history of putting her husbands away… this would explain the betrayal, seduction, and affair we hear. And I know Messmer refers to her as Mother, but it would not be amiss for any religion, cult, zealot, fanatic, or even royalty to want to be referred to as Mother. We have many modern day examples (Queen Elizabeth) where a population referred to her as queen mother or mum. And works of fiction, like a song of ice and fire, where the populace called Khaleesi “Meesa“ or Mother. Religions refer to their gods or goddesses in maternal and paternal ways. So again, I ask… what if Messmer was her first husband and waged this war for her. Then she betrayed and hid him away? Even would explain when Messmer taunts “wouldst thou lordship sanction in one so bereft of light?” as more derogatory and exasperated. Like “really? You left me and this is who is your consort?”

is the character holding the fibers over their head Radagon becoming Merika because, as Tarnished Archeologist pointed out, the God of Age is linked to births and therefore most likely need be female. Maybe, as Radagon used the Elden Ring to become the God of the Age, he was transformed into Merika because the God of the Age needs to be female. Did Radagon seduce the Glom Eyed Queen?!

@reign1594

Ай бұрын

That's possible, yes. Look at the cloth around his waste

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

Having a more intertwined Meradagon wouldnt be too surprising here. But I dont think this speculation can be answered by trailer analysis

Lots of Vulvas imagery.

@rafsandomierz5313

Ай бұрын

I mean every life came from it one way or another.

I just want to kill the outer god the greater will and rot god, just give me those options please

@_CrimsonBlade

Ай бұрын

No

@MadLuigi

Ай бұрын

I would be about killing them as well, and I guess Miquella would have a special grudge on the rot god. One can hope but I wont expect it

Radagon seduced the gloam eyed queen, stealing the power of grace, becoming Marika and summoning the elden beast through directly communing with the greater will using those strings. The environemnt theyre in gives off formless mother vibes, maybe they utilized or convened with the formless mother but Marika betrayed her as well. All of this, Miquella discovered and is trying to recreate with Mog and the cacoon, plus the way he tried to feed his own erd tree. Similair to what we are seeing Marika doing in the new trailer... Just a theory ofc

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@_Somsnosa_

Ай бұрын

Sis woman down

Cursed knowledge ahead. Read at your own discretion. You have been warned . . . . . . . . . . . From is famous for their birth themes imagery throughout their games. To that end the starting scene of this trailer is filled to the brim with themes of birth. Indeed the player comes out of a “gap” as if it’s given birth into the game through similar shaped gaps in the previous Dark Souls games. In conclusion what I’m seeing here is a similar thing so to me the human lined walls look very much like the inside of a vagina, and the gap…well it’s gap that a new order it’s birthed through