His 2nd phase is a joke 90% of the time all hes doing is immediately changing to the snake so you cant even hit him

@eganzacher5455

Ай бұрын

You can hit the snake and it counts as a head shot

@smitty215able

Ай бұрын

As long as you dodge the snake heads correctly you can hit them every time they miss after the last hit. Usually with a charged R2 for big damage

@cynreiusacari3163

Ай бұрын

It’s fine, got him down to 15%, once the timing is right dodging snakes it’ll be ez.

@joeking6972

Ай бұрын

I found his second phase far easier personally

@Odin_Oracle

Ай бұрын

@@joeking6972 yeah, the Second Phase is FAR more forgiving and punishable. I see it the same way with Malenia where her aggressive second phase is easier than her patient first phase. It allows for more opening on behalf of the olayer

Finally a guide that isn't "completely change your build". Great work, looking forward to more guides 🙏

@dirtyizzy8566

24 күн бұрын

for reall , i dont wanna cheese the game with a giant shield . this fight is badass i wanna learn it

IN THE EMBRACE OF MESSMERS FLAME

@BIshup95

Ай бұрын

The worst part of dying....hearing that shit over and over again in his smug tone 😂

@foaduk9118

Ай бұрын

I am melania blade of miquella

@guardiann7

Ай бұрын

I beated malenia like 5th try (I cheated with tiche) but this one... This is torture. Couldn't even get to 2nd phase with tiche​@@foaduk9118

A giant fuck off shield really helped me

@not_human3827

Ай бұрын

For some reason it blocked the snakes and does very little stamina

@user-ev8oh1qc6z

Ай бұрын

Lol

@Deathscythe91

Ай бұрын

fingerprint shield > elden ring dlc

@marcelrodriguez2067

Ай бұрын

He still grabs me and kills me in 2 shots how are ya doing it? He just barely stops attacking

@not_human3827

Ай бұрын

@@marcelrodriguez2067 I hug him hard and walk left or right while he’s attacking, if you can’t find time to hit then maybe use a spear with the shield and hit while blocking. I think I got a little lucky with the cold katana and a shield

I understand how I get hit by every other move but the snakes. I can be 200ft away from the mouth and still get hit. And the best part is when you get trapped in the entrance and there’s no way of getting away from them

@smitty215able

Ай бұрын

As you saw in the video, breaking your target lock helps alot not only with positioning away from the attacks but also staying aware of where you are in the arena

It's crazy how simple these bosses actually are once you break down their move sets.

@rustyrobotbeak01

Ай бұрын

Feels simple but still get thrown around because my timing sucks 😂

@smitty215able

Ай бұрын

The biggest thing this DLC has been teaching me is to break my reliance on target lock

@mnc29

Ай бұрын

It's literally the whole game,the whole souls games are like this

@Noizzed

Ай бұрын

It feels at first like their moveset is infinite, then you realize it's only like, 5 moves with 3 extra for 2nd phase.

@john_pedro

Ай бұрын

This is the concept of Soulsborne games; Git gut.

The worst part of the entire DLC is where the visual hitboxes are for many enemies, the Boar General is most egregious one I have done...charge is just 1 long rectangle of a hitbox (if you dodge through it too early you get hit because it lingers AND you can be hit again on the ground because the ENTIRE charge is persistent hitbox). Overall, the DLC just needed some more playtesting cause inconsistencies are one of chief complaints for me. Good video though, also very nice video on the Scadutree frags...it helped a ton.

@carsonbrown1103

Ай бұрын

I completely agree. Most of the bosses I’ve fought don’t feel unfair because of the damage they do or how aggressive they are, but some just have janky hitboxes. The only three I would say are truly bad, and Commander Gaius (his pigs hitbox just doesn’t make sense, and if you’re melee you can’t really see much of the pig and what it’s about to do), romina, who I don’t think is bad except for her hitboxes, because sometimes it just does not make sense, and Metyr, who’s easily one of the worst bosses in Elden ring because her attacks genuinely are so poorly telegraphed spare a few of them

@javierescuella5804

Ай бұрын

I could dodge the charge like 90% of the time. Just dodge as soon as it looks like the tusks will hit you in any direction than backwards

@willm.325

Ай бұрын

@@javierescuella5804 The fact that the hitbox is that exact for the first part of the dash but not the rest of it is the entire problem

@elmagdalenas

Ай бұрын

It’s not that hard to dodge I killed him in 15 tries melee lvl 140 and loved the fight

@xaeCarolina1865

Ай бұрын

I found this issue with Romina, saint of the bud. Her design is good but it has a to much going on I think. Personally I didn't know where to look so I know what to avoid, also when she's close to the wall the fight becomes impossible because she phases through it and you can't see what part she's about to attack with. I think if her arena was wider and her design was fully centipede or scorpion, her boss would be a lot more enjoyable.

As part of the guide, it would be nice to see you mix in some openings with attacks so we can see where to fit in charged attacks, jumping attacks, roll attacks, etc.

@ghostflesh2449

Ай бұрын

I mean, u can see the punish windows pretty clearly. Do you want him to fight the boss for you too?

@shokraven2231

Ай бұрын

@@ghostflesh2449maybe not be such a stick in the mud. Not everyone is an absolute god at this game. Most people need help. Wanting to know where your combos fit is an absolutely valid question. Maybe grow up and realize Elden ring isn’t Warzone and it isn’t whos better at the game that matters.

@BananasinpajamasIV

Ай бұрын

Yes, id love him to fight this twat for me, thank you.

@qTravis666

Ай бұрын

@@ghostflesh2449there is seemingly no place and time for an attack

@TheArtDev

21 күн бұрын

U can get attacks in after his grab, his attacks where he drags his spear, or horizontal slashes that end a combo. There's a large opportunity after that opening attack explosion, and there's an opportunity when he throws his spear or when he does his fire whirling and jumps down (not the one that spawns spears). For phase 2 you can attack the snake head when it rests

Also in phase 1 if you stay near him (I know it sounds scary) it’s a lot easier to roll through a lot of his attacks.

"Simple" lol this is my first wall. Mimic tear does better than I do lmfao

@AS34N

Ай бұрын

You're good bro. We're in the same boat 😂

@SanityCrusher111

Ай бұрын

@AS34N beat him thanks to mimic tear. I managed to not get hit too much until the second phase. Mimic tear finished him off. You got this.

@vanquese8947

Ай бұрын

​@SanityCrusher111 my mimic tear is either the best soul player i ever seen, or is AFK

@SanityCrusher111

Ай бұрын

@vanquese8947 same. Fighting thr scadutree now and I'm yelling at him to hit the fkn tree as he stands there while it needs 1 hit

@dexluther4304

Ай бұрын

i think our mimic is the true elden lord we are the shadow plot twist 🤣🤣

I find it odd how people can slow walk behind Messmer during his delayed thrust and he'll completely whiff them, but yet he does a full 180 and snaps to my character and hits me every time. Also for his triple snake attack, it seems random whether it'll hit me. Sometimes he'll completely whiff, but most times even if he barely nicks my character with his neck I get hit. I even dodge in the same exact direction lol. Messmer is a great fight and a lot of this stuff can be worked around, but man does it feel inconsistent.

he makes me feel like i m in a falling helicopter

@TheArtDev

21 күн бұрын

That's actually the best way he could be described

This guy took me so many attempts mostly because he kept targeting me when I wasn’t even attacking him when I had summons attacking him. I had no opportunity to heal

@jamesdrummond8329

Ай бұрын

The AI’s have input reading, this is why they seem to be one step ahead

@genericname786

Ай бұрын

They input read your heals when you do it infront of them in a fight to the death. You gotta wait for him to finish a combo to heal or punish if you have faith you can outroll another one.

@sk8legendz

Ай бұрын

Same here. Ignores my mimic and focuses me when I'm running away and dodging lol

@innerecho9468

Ай бұрын

Now imagine without summons 💀💀💀

@jackassaddict

Ай бұрын

My friend and I call this heal punishing. Even if you have a decent distance away from them, the SECOND you press the button to heal yourself they’ll come at you faster. It took about a solid hour worth of attempts to start reading the attack patterns for phase 1. I have the shield that looks like a piece of concrete wall. I don’t even DODGE anymore, I just keep the shield up. The second phase is my kryptonite so far. I don’t know what else to do. Messmer tends to reach for me EVEN WHILE IM DODGING and hoists me up in the air with FULL HEALTH and that promises me I have to restart. Probably one of the most bs boss moves I’ve come across so far.

Bro your a G thanks for the guide he was such a pain but I legit beat him first try after watching your video.

"Those stripped of the grace of gold, shall all meet death, in the embrace of Messmer's flame"

Thanks bro, this is my second play through in the DLC, and I wanted to solo him (no summons) with a 170 character. I was victorious after about 10 attempts, lol. I can feel myself getting better every time and feel more confident when fighting him.

Thank you, this helped a lot!

Man this DLC is Amazing! Perfect for End game content definitely a breath of fresh air

Absolutely amazing and detailed video, thank you👍👌

video chapters would help a lot, thanks for the guide!

I lost 18 times. I watched this video and within 5 fights of practicing the things in here I had him beat. Top tier content!

Finally beat him. If you are a dex and/or mage int build like me (my build is fairly equal in both stats) I ended up using Mimic Tear. Normally , I cast a lot of spells so my Mimic usually acts pretty dumb. But I narrowed the spells available for it to use and he was brilliant, instantly made Terra Magica for me and then aggroed Messmer on the other side with his melee (I use a Cold Great Katana). I spammed Night Comet with Staff of Loss and it shredded him to pieces. Melted phase 1 so fast my jaw dropped. It got a bit hairy when Messmer ignored the Mimic and chased me but I just kept rolling clockwise close to him and waited a bit before his aoe explosion attacks to roll again.

I’m glad they actually made Messmer a sick and fun boss, there was a decent sum of annoying bosses in this dlc but they managed to do Messmer good thank god

thanks for this guide i did it after 3rd try

After this i gained confidence with the dragonking's cragbladr

this fight is so weird because yes all these moves make sense to dodge but he will do them as follow-ups for eachother. Yes you can dodge the 7 hit combo using 75% of your stamina, and then he'll do another one as soon as its finished. This DLC is so oppressive.

@2265Hello

27 күн бұрын

7 hit combo? Iirc He doesn’t have something that long unless you are counting the multi spear thrust in Messmer’s assault as separate hits. Either that or counting two different combos together.

fucking awsome didnt get a no hit but you helped so much with the flurry dodge . no blasphemus blade or summons thats all im going for . thank you for a guide and not a cheese shield respec 😁

thank you bro that help me allat

i cant believe it.. Could not beat the boss, then I remembered my old boss killer set up.. The tiny blood stained dagger, occult infused and blood blade.. Damn.. A few hits and he bleeds.. Works great with a summon..

I found Messmer a little too early and got absolutely molliwhopped. Then I went and got every possible scadutree fragment before Messmer and had so much fun with it. It’s one of the best bosses in ER & maybe all of Fromsoft

I just beat him with the backhanded swords it's ash of war is so good at dodging

Thought I was finally getting close; just found out this fight gets even harder the last 25%!

Great helt! Beat him after watching this video 20 times 😂

Fingerprint shield also negates most of his movesets if you're struggling with his attack patterns. At that point reduvia in right hand can neg this boss

Cant wait for you to make the promised simp Ryan boss because that second phase makes me liquid there's just too much going on....

I thought this was called "How to EASILY kill Messmer", not "Memorize 100 dodge rolls for his infinite combos"

this is gonna sound stupid but does the serpent hunter sword spear have its magic effect on phase 2? i feel like lore wise it should right? i expect it doesnt in this fight tho unfortunately

@ninja_k7483

Ай бұрын

sadly the AOW of this weapon doesn’t work here

@eganzacher5455

Ай бұрын

I was kinda hoping mohgs shackle would work on the final boss but unfortunately it didn’t. That would’ve been cool lore wise too

@rushpatriot2866

27 күн бұрын

​@@eganzacher5455didn't even think about that that's a good idea

This guy was the such a wall for me …took me about an hour straight last night to no avail before heading to gaius (another nightmare but one I felt more probable) just to get the scadus behind him to give me an edge for messmer. If you’re on him good luck and the thrill of victory is worth it

I got his ass with the Rakshasha Great Katana. Me and my mimic just swung for the fucking fences and staggered him over and over. That second phase is a doozy. My camera couldn’t keep up.

@derekw40

Ай бұрын

Where is that sword located ? Im good at swinging for the fences. Not so good at memorizing a bunch if fight move routines.

@codygreene9067

Ай бұрын

@@derekw40 Eastern Nameless Mausoleum. Just google where it’s at. You go in and kill a pretty easy boss to get it. It’s special move is called weed cutter and your character just does these wide sweeping moves with the katana that stagger the shit out of enemies and deals blood loss.

@donkeystareatyou

Ай бұрын

@@codygreene9067 I can’t beat that boss

@codygreene9067

Ай бұрын

@@donkeystareatyou Keep trying? I don’t know what else to tell ya bud.

@donkeystareatyou

Ай бұрын

@@codygreene9067 I beat him

Use scarlet rot breath on mimic tear while you use moghs spear and he gets cheesed

my tip is to stay close to him (except when he does his aoe) and always dodge to the left

Turned on Cheat Engine, made myself invincible, fought him for 1.4 hours to learn him, came back without cheats and did it with only a few tries. If i am going to do the same thing over and over there's no point in adding the extra step of going through a fog wall IMO.

@Noizzed

Ай бұрын

Also you can dodge the thrusts flurry he does by dodging it just a few miliseconds before he does it, and after that spam dodge until flurry is over.

@levidestin6783

28 күн бұрын

we think alike, but i dont have the patience to learn him so i just quit the cheat engine lol

@LabyrinthMole

13 күн бұрын

​@@Noizzed I'm not surprised that Mihai isn't dodging it since he plays unlocked so much. Hearing someone narrate someone else's gameplay for a tutorial doesn't seem right to me. I don't see Mihai's name mentioned anywhere in this video's description.

I run a spell heavy Carian Knight with a Moonveil. I only cast Rock Sling at a distance, and use special skill of the Moonveil. I didn't change my build. I just Got Gud 💪😎 (and prayed for good RNG😅)

2 tries after watching this… thank you.

I found his 3 hit snake combo really really hard to evade, especially the last snake, any tips to dodge then more consistenly? Im doing medium roll btw

In the fextra wiki page it says messmer has 65% absorption to lightning. Are you sure lightning is effective against him? (0:31) The wiki might be wrong since they sometimes do mess up. Edit: they updated the page and now it says he has 60 for magic and 50 for fire, lightning and holy

That one ability where he just shoots across the room with no hesitation in phase 2 was my downfall for a couple deaths

Is there a way to turn off fire particles because i cant see shit when he does it in front of you

Got his ass thanks for the tips bro and i been pushing through this dlc with dual bloodhound fangs from the og games, no magic, no summons ima come back and fuck up these bosees with my max level character after i beat it tho

You are the best

Is there a guide with medium roll too?

On his giant snake burst i can never seem to make distance fast enough and always get hit. I also cant seem to strate him like you do.

He kills me with 2 hits, which often connect. Also he is often so aggressive, that I can't drink my estus :(

really fucking sick boss

I used bleed to beat him. It worked well for me.

This seems pretty complicated... people in here like ya piece of cake... I'm over here feeling pretty over whelmed... victory will be sweet... eventually

The mf crazy spears, if I try to stay on the inside I die, if I run away I still get hit by 1 or 2 spears

@Odin_Oracle

Ай бұрын

Stay on the inside. Hug his left hip. Learn his attack patterns. They’re not as bad as they seem.

Heres how to win easy basically a cheese. Max out visage shield to +10 and it basically will take all their damage snd you can hit in between and use mimic to handle him while you block a lot. It barely takes any stamina.

i beat this boss yesterday after spending two days on him. had to respec out of faith/fire build into bleed. did not know that he was weak to magic or lightning though. i finally beat him with finger print shield + blood greatsword with lions claw (you could use any high bleed weapon like rivers of blood too). the aow makes staggering him easier, especially if you have a mimic to also help with spamming the aow. i knocked him once in both phases. i panic rolled the majority of the first attempts, but the shield helps a lot, even if it’s just on your back. i played on ng+2 on a level 203 character with level 10 scadu tree.

Or you get a good shield, the one under the capital, ignore all that and block everything. Best with a spear or sticking weapon and poke him like crazy.

I can't even consistently dodge his opening explosion. There's a weird timing on it where you can't immediately roll after dodging the dive, but if you wait more than like .2 seconds you get hit too. WTF?

@sk8legendz

Ай бұрын

Noticed that too

@italiansoccer122

Ай бұрын

Ya I’m stuck on him I found if you dodge back wait and then dodge back again you can avoid it but the timing is stupid

@sirblebington

Ай бұрын

I feel like after the dlc update, the inputs aren't as snappy as before. There's a delay of a frame or so. Especially notice it when reacting to messages. Before update, it's a quick praise, confirm and close. But now i keep missing the confirm/close prompt, so have to wait a second before it detects my input (not sure if this makes any sense to anyone reading).

@sk8legendz

Ай бұрын

@sirblebington I also notice input delay but was passing it off as skill issue

@leserbeacerbe6910

Ай бұрын

Dodging is bs in that game, better to hit from distance or block.

mind if use this attack footage for an edit

You can actually just crouch through the first 2 phases of his signature attack before the AOE.

i saw his move set and didn’t even waste my time, used the summon sign and just killed his poise with a cold weapon didn’t even give him a chance 🤣🤣

@Moneyaddthenmultiply

Ай бұрын

I’m full cold build lvl 230 and he doesn’t flinch at all

@Braylenc123

Ай бұрын

@@Moneyaddthenmultiply i used the carian retaliation ash of war it broke his poise almost every hit, than i’d run around lose aggro rinse and repeat 🤣

bro by mistake i beat him first try just now so sad i didnt get to see anyhting , bro got staggered at the begining of phase 2 and then just heavy spam and he died . Loved watching all these cool attacks

@ClarkGraham

Ай бұрын

NG+ lol, have fun

if you follow this guide you should be maybe able to possibly potentially conceivably likely complete this boss hitless perchance

Ah I remember the days when you could dance and react to a boss instead of having to fight him a thousand times to learn his entire move set like a basement dwelling ND

What would have been nice is to include optimum times to attack, lie of course dodging attacks is crucial, but when are the best opportunities to attack?

This fight is a masterpeice 100%

I did this on Lvl 153 character on NG+ with Scadutree 11. Setup was full Maliketh cosplay with his Black Blade. Twin Turtle, Greatshield, Pearldrake +3, Old Lord's. Physick was Opaline and Holy Tear. Medium rolling and 43 Vigor. No Great Rune. I would consistently get a stance break in Phase 1 at around 70% of health. This would be a bit more difficult in Phase 2, but still doable. He's honestly so much easier than Rellana or Dancing Lion. The attacks are much easier to read, has very clear extensions on his combos, no annoying AOE, and I don't know of it's just me, but he did not deal that much damage bar his explosion moves. All in all, great boss, and I hope the rest of the bosses will be similar in design.

He's weak to LIGHTNING?!? MFW my Faith Build had to spam blood incantations. Thaaaanks Fextralife lol

If he could just never do the multi stab attack I'd be fine.

How tf yall not getting grabbed and hoisted to get one shot in the first phase he does that shit where I can’t dodge it everytime I start rolling on him

@DAKreates

Ай бұрын

thats what im sayin bru

I watched this video and i still dont know what to do. Iv egotten him to 10% few times but i credit that to luck

How do I flawless messmer when my frames drop by 20 everytime bro looks at me 😭 I’m getting close tbh my highest no hit run was 75% you guys got the flawless

I cannot sidestep the spear charge at 4:21. It is literally homing no matter where you stand. I tried it 5 times now. They must have patched that with the latest.

The difficulty of this fight is totally unnecessary….

How do you go about summon bosses for the arena fight.

The Mommy Issues buff him.

ok but when do i can hit him?

this fight is ridiculous

@AntolaRes

Ай бұрын

i almost first tried it...

@doriangongar1859

Ай бұрын

@@AntolaRes its all down hill after a good first attempt

@adachy

Ай бұрын

@@AntolaRes congratulations

@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe

Ай бұрын

If you're struggling here, fingerprint shield and Reduvia work wonders against messmer. Hes extremely weak to bleed

@adachy

Ай бұрын

@@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe i spent 6 hours trying to beat him with moonlight greatsword because i assumed he was weak to frost then beat him in 20 minutes with bloodhounds fang i am never doing this fight again

I got lucky lol. I was running for my life from his snake mode and he fell off the stage for some unknown reason... ill take it

Wiki says it is resistant to electrical damage, Who is wrong?

Mesmer’s weak to magic and lightning??? That’s so freakin perfect for me😂. I have a male character that uses chiefly ancient dragon lightning and a female character that uses chiefly glintsone sorcery.

i thought he was weak to frost & bleed

How is bro casually avoiding this attack 1:28 that people call Messmer’s version of the “waterfowl dance”?😭😭

Use a big shield and a katana +25

The wiki says hes weak to bleed not magic? Im confused

….. I died and my mimic killed him AND IT DIDNT COUNT I HAD TO FIGHT HIM AGAIN

Too late for Lenny, I have already beat him but damn definitely tough af, can't wait for the end boss bs 😂

1:30 oh, yeah, they’re gonna fix this😅 I’m pretty sure it’s not intentional that the start up. Doesn’t have a hit box.

This is a great video, “just dodge”, thanks for the advice!!

He seems far weaker than malenia. He don’t heal for once and a huge shield should stop most of his attacks. Still, not easy at all

The only boss I beat him without mimic tear

Bruh why does he have to have a spear. Spears are my kryptonite in any game

I probably suffer from ADHD, but I thought it said 'easily' and frankly I lost the plot after 30 sec in this video 😂

Took me 7 try’s till I use blasphemous blade and then it became easier

@DAMM_12O9O3

Ай бұрын

Cap

Did you guys know that Messmer spelled backwards is basically Hitler? 😂

3:47 his stupid stab has the dumbest hit box I've ever seen(coping)

7:17 good guide but why did u say that twice? 😭